Did you hear about the Mexican who shot five people because they asked him to not shoot outside so their baby could sleep?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

The people (some now dead) called saying that their neighbor was threatening to kill them. Which I guess the police didn’t consider to be a serious problem. By the time they got around to responding, the callers were dead and the shooter was long gone. Excellent job by the police in Texas, as usual.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-shooting-survivors-question-help-didnt-arrive-sooner-rcna82314

Why didn’t they arrive sooner? Might help if you told us what they said the reason was. Bad address? Busy with other calls? Donuts? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why didn’t they arrive sooner? Might help if you told us what they said the reason was. Bad address? Busy with other calls? Donuts? 

Looks like we will have to wait to find out. That’s not cool. They should have given a reason by now. 

[TimHauck 2,602]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

The people (some now dead) called saying that their neighbor was threatening to kill them. Which I guess the police didn’t consider to be a serious problem. By the time they got around to responding, the callers were dead and the shooter was long gone. Excellent job by the police in Texas, as usual.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-shooting-survivors-question-help-didnt-arrive-sooner-rcna82314

Is this saying it was only 30 minutes from the first call until the shooting started?   That doesn't seem that out of the ordinary particularly if the area is as spread out and with as little officers as the article says.

[Mike Honcho 5,095]

What a horrible story, I can't imagine how that poor father feels right now.  Hard to even think about it.

[dogcows 1,030]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Looks like we will have to wait to find out. That’s not cool. They should have given a reason by now. 

I guess clicking the link to read the details is too hard for you?

[dogcows 1,030]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Is this saying it was only 30 minutes from the first call until the shooting started?   That doesn't seem that out of the ordinary particularly if the area is as spread out and with as little officers as the article says.

Seems like they initially placed it as a low priority call… at least according to that news story.

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Ramiro Guzman said he ducked into a closet with his wife and infant son. He called 911 over and over. Each time, he said, a dispatcher told him that deputies were already there.

They weren’t.

“They would cut off the call. I would call back again,” Guzman recalled in an interview. “Then I called my aunt who lives two blocks away to see if they’d answer her. I thought maybe they didn’t believe me and that’s why they didn’t want to help, but maybe they’d believe her.”

By the time San Jacinto County Sheriff’s Office deputies arrived, five people — including Garcia’s wife and 9-year-old son — had been mortally wounded. And the gunman had gotten away.

You know it’s not good when the police are refusing to give records of how many calls were received, when, how far officers were from the home, or any other details.

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Authorities in San Jacinto County, where the shooting happened, have not responded to requests for records that would show how many calls for help were made from the house and how long it took for officers to arrive. San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers, whose deputies responded to the scene, could not be reached for comment Monday. 

And it might have been an hour, not a half hour?

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Guzman said the police response has weakened his confidence in American law enforcement. “So much time passed,” he said. “The whole thing was about an hour. Why did they have to come when it was already too late?”

 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Anyone got stats on rate illegal immigrants come in and commit terrible crimes(murder, rape) ....compared to everyone else?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

11 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I guess clicking the link to read the details is too hard for you?

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[Mufaletta 70]

Did you hear about the Mexican who shot five people because they asked him to not shoot outside so their baby could sleep?

You must be referring to the one that has been deported several times and was living comfortably in that neighborhood as an illegal alien, consuming tax payer services on a regular basis.  

Yeah, heard about him, he's on the lam now.

[The Real timschochet 6,404]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Anyone got stats on rate illegal immigrants come in and commit terrible crimes(murder, rape) ....compared to everyone else?

Yes. 
 

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0

There have been numerous studies about this and they all have the same conclusion: illegal immigrants on the whole, by percentage  commit far less violent crimes than natural born citizens. They are actually more law-abiding. 

If you think about it, it makes sense. For one thing they tend to work longer and harder hours than most folks already here. For another they are terrified of too much contact with authorities and police. 
 

Whatever your feelings about the border, illegal immigrants, and what to do about it, it would help if everyone realized that the vast, vast majority of these people are not murderous villains, but just poor people desperately looking for a better life. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

On 4/30/2023 at 8:12 PM, Pimpadeaux said:

I saw that just the other day on the moon. 

 

Photo Of Shooter. Left Is "White Washed" Version Shown By ABC News. Left Is Non Edited Photo

 

 

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

https://abcnews.go.com/US/5-dead-texas-shooting-suspect-armed-ar-15/story?id=98957271

Photo Manipulated In ABC News Article

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

Captured 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

52 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes. 
 

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0

There have been numerous studies about this and they all have the same conclusion: illegal immigrants on the whole, by percentage  commit far less violent crimes than natural born citizens. They are actually more law-abiding. 

If you think about it, it makes sense. For one thing they tend to work longer and harder hours than most folks already here. For another they are terrified of too much contact with authorities and police. 
 

Whatever your feelings about the border, illegal immigrants, and what to do about it, it would help if everyone realized that the vast, vast majority of these people are not murderous villains, but just poor people desperately looking for a better life. 

false, its cause they commit most of their crimes on other illegals who are afraid to report them cause they will get deported, which you did cover, the numbers are skewed because of lack of reporting, most illegals do work hard but the ones that are cartel and gang bangers dont and strong arm other illegals

here is my stance

if a single american is harmed by a single illegal, just 1 only 1, its too many, those are people who should never be here in the first place

 

[dogcows 1,030]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

false, its cause they commit most of their crimes on other illegals who are afraid to report them cause they will get deported

The centrist position is that you don’t need facts because you just know.

Does being stupid make you xenophobic? Or is it the other way around? I guess it’s like the chicken and the egg - we’ll never know.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The centrist position is that you don’t need facts because you just know.

Does being stupid make you xenophobic? Or is it the other way around? I guess it’s like the chicken and the egg - we’ll never know.

actually the centrist view is that I work with and hire ALOT of migrant workers, and have good relationships with them and they tell me how it is.  They are afraid to deal with law enforcement.  Which was stated in the leftist article

facts

most crimes are committed amongst your own community

I guarantee I deal with more illegals than everyone here combined

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The centrist position is that you don’t need facts because you just know.

Does being stupid make you xenophobic? Or is it the other way around? I guess it’s like the chicken and the egg - we’ll never know.

Does being stupid make you think that it’s ok that it’s possible that a criminal can get deported five times?? You know what being deported means, right?  Xenophobic.  STFU. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

actually the centrist view is that I work with and hire ALOT of migrant workers, and have good relationships with them and they tell me how it is.  They are afraid to deal with law enforcement.  Which was stated in the leftist article

facts

most crimes are committed amongst your own community

I guarantee I deal with more illegals than everyone here combined

Fact. Liberals can hear who commits crimes and who they commit them against till the cows come home and they just won’t accept it. It destroys their narrative that it’s the evil white Christian male responsible for violence. They refuse to even acknowledge victims. 

[Bert 1,128]

7 hours ago, League Champion said:

Do you have Wetbacks in Buffalo? I wasn't sure if they travel that far up North. If not who does your landscaping and sheetrocking? 

No, because when officials threatened to send them to Buffalo they said they would prefer to go back to Mexico.

[TimHauck 2,602]

8 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

false, its cause they commit most of their crimes on other illegals who are afraid to report them cause they will get deported, which you did cover, the numbers are skewed because of lack of reporting, most illegals do work hard but the ones that are cartel and gang bangers dont and strong arm other illegals

here is my stance

if a single american is harmed by a single illegal, just 1 only 1, its too many, those are people who should never be here in the first place

 

If you’re saying “most illegals do work hard,” doesn’t that potentially support the claim that they “commit less crime than natural born citizens,” even after taking under reporting into account?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

57 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

If you’re saying “most illegals do work hard,” doesn’t that potentially support the claim that they “commit less crime than natural born citizens,” even after taking under reporting into account?

We have no way of knowing quite frankly 

[Engorgeous George 2,124]

On 5/2/2023 at 6:42 PM, The Real timschochet said:

Yes. 
 

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0

There have been numerous studies about this and they all have the same conclusion: illegal immigrants on the whole, by percentage  commit far less violent crimes than natural born citizens. They are actually more law-abiding. 

If you think about it, it makes sense. For one thing they tend to work longer and harder hours than most folks already here. For another they are terrified of too much contact with authorities and police. 
 

Whatever your feelings about the border, illegal immigrants, and what to do about it, it would help if everyone realized that the vast, vast majority of these people are not murderous villains, but just poor people desperately looking for a better life. 

When I read the paper you linked it does not say that illegals commit far less violent crimes, it says they have a lower conviction and incarceration rate.  Maybe they commit as much or more crime but it is simply easier for them to avoid prosecution and incarceration due to several factors, including unwilingness of victims to come forward and to report, and them being likely to duck back across the border to avoid prosecution.

Maybe they commit less crime, maybe more, but the paper does not prove the point.

 

[RLLD 4,143]

Let's not overlook the important thing here, a good human was able to escape "political oppression", and if a few innocent people had to die for that, the liberals accept this as the cost of doing business. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

Maybe if ICE could do their jobs he may have been deported again. Instead he was not only still here, but raising a family here. I guess we can dispel that “living in the shadows” myth. He wasn’t living in any shadow. 

[Mr Fantasy 67]

13 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Captured 

In Cut and Shoot Texas.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,829]

Isn't this one of Pelosi's "Angels"?

[dogcows 1,030]

9 hours ago, RLLD said:

Let's not overlook the important thing here, a good human was able to escape "political oppression", and if a few innocent people had to die for that, the liberals accept this as the cost of doing business. 

Obama deported him 3x. He (and other criminals) were able to avoid capture when Trump took over and redistributed DHS resources. Under Obama, deportations focused on criminals. Trump focused on his wall and separating kids from parents.

We don’t have the resources to deport everybody here illegally. So we should focus on criminals. Wasting resources on an ineffective half-wall and going after non-criminal aliens just made it easier for crooks to evade the authorities. It was a major failure of the prior administration.

Don’t make up a fantasy about anybody, liberal or not, wanting this guy around.

[seafoam1 2,799]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Obama deported him 3x. .

This is all you need to know about liberals and their open borders. They find a criminal, let them go, and they come right back to commit more crime. Great job liberals.

Obama hates white people more than anything. Focking racist.

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Obama deported him 3x. He (and other criminals) were able to avoid capture when Trump took over and redistributed DHS resources. Under Obama, deportations focused on criminals. Trump focused on his wall and separating kids from parents.

We don’t have the resources to deport everybody here illegally. So we should focus on criminals. Wasting resources on an ineffective half-wall and going after non-criminal aliens just made it easier for crooks to evade the authorities. It was a major failure of the prior administration.

Don’t make up a fantasy about anybody, liberal or not, wanting this guy around.

That is not possible.....Obama deported him THREE TIMES.....you might almost think that the border was not secure under him....

I am glad Trump did what he did, for the first time meaninful effort to stem the tide, it was fantastic. 

We have the resources to supply Ukraine, so I know we have the resources to shore up the border. That excuse was ruined by the Ukraine game.

You can pretend all you want.  The border has been a disaster going back to Obama, at least Trump made an effort to deal with it, far better than Obama did or Biden has.  

Great work from the liberals.....where was their compassion for the family who need not have been murdered? Compassion would have been keeping that sh!tbag out, and allowing them to live peacefully. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Obama deported him 3x. He (and other criminals) were able to avoid capture when Trump took over and redistributed DHS resources. Under Obama, deportations focused on criminals. Trump focused on his wall and separating kids from parents.

We don’t have the resources to deport everybody here illegally. So we should focus on criminals. Wasting resources on an ineffective half-wall and going after non-criminal aliens just made it easier for crooks to evade the authorities. It was a major failure of the prior administration.

Don’t make up a fantasy about anybody, liberal or not, wanting this guy around.

The people that work the border and the ones that live there don’t agree with you, even though you’re tucked away in western New York and well versed on the situation, I’m sure.  

[dogcows 1,030]

3 hours ago, RLLD said:

am glad Trump did what he did, for the first time meaninful effort to stem the tide, it was fantastic

He made things worse. That’s what you wanted? Unbelievable. Funny how this criminal stopped being deported once Trump changed policies and started focusing on punishing kids instead of killers.

[RLLD 4,143]

9 hours ago, dogcows said:

He made things worse. That’s what you wanted? Unbelievable. Funny how this criminal stopped being deported once Trump changed policies and started focusing on punishing kids instead of killers.

He made thing better.  This nonsense about seperating families....which Obama started....is just a distraction.  So what....seperate the people, do what it takes to make it less appealing to break out laws to enter our borders.  Deport...separate...absolutely.

So glad he worked for US instead of others.  

[dogcows 1,030]

8 hours ago, RLLD said:

He made thing better.  This nonsense about seperating families....which Obama started....is just a distraction.  So what....seperate the people, do what it takes to make it less appealing to break out laws to enter our borders.  Deport...separate...absolutely.

So glad he worked for US instead of others.  

No, Obama’s administration did NOT separate kids from parents at the border. That was a lie put out there by Trump sycophants when everybody called him out for the extreme cruelty of the policy. 

If you can’t even get simple facts straight, that might explain why you think Trump actually did something good for the country.

[RLLD 4,143]

45 minutes ago, dogcows said:

No, Obama’s administration did NOT separate kids from parents at the border. That was a lie put out there by Trump sycophants when everybody called him out for the extreme cruelty of the policy. 

If you can’t even get simple facts straight, that might explain why you think Trump actually did something good for the country.

But it actually DID happen, and they admitted it...they tried to make it seem like they were better by suggesting they only did occasionally....

“Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

Now, if we can stop pretending that Democrats are "good" and Republicans are the bad guys lets get back to it.

I welcome the move to separate....I think it was solid strategy and I would welcome it being done again.  And if that impeded people from illegally entering the border then super.  Works for me. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

But it actually DID happen, and they admitted it...they tried to make it seem like they were better by suggesting they only did occasionally....

“Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

Now, if we can stop pretending that Democrats are "good" and Republicans are the bad guys lets get back to it.

I welcome the move to separate....I think it was solid strategy and I would welcome it being done again.  And if that impeded people from illegally entering the border then super.  Works for me. 

Dog Cows just sayin stuff again. 

[dogcows 1,030]

20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

But it actually DID happen, and they admitted it...they tried to make it seem like they were better by suggesting they only did occasionally....

“Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

Now, if we can stop pretending that Democrats are "good" and Republicans are the bad guys lets get back to it.

I welcome the move to separate....I think it was solid strategy and I would welcome it being done again.  And if that impeded people from illegally entering the border then super.  Works for me. 

Nonsense. This is talking about something that may have happened due to mistakes dealing with thousands of cases. Trump intentionally separated kids from their parents.

Intentionally separating kids from their parents as Trump’s administration did is morally reprehensible. Most Republicans opposed it when it became public… which is why Trump walked it back and his toadies started with the BS of “Obama did it too.” 
 

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When the administration began separating families, pro-Trump pundits argued that the administration was implementing the same policy as the Obama administration. According to PolitiFact, the assertion that Trump was implementing the same policy as Obama is "false", noting "Obama's immigration policy specifically sought to avoid breaking up families. While some children were separated from their parents under Obama, this was relatively rare and families were quickly reunited even if that meant the release of a parent from detention."^[37] 

Polling at the time showed that less than a quarter of people in America supported separating babies from their moms. Good to know over 75% of Americans have at least some kind of moral compass. Pretty disgusting that there are 20% or so of people that would be that cruel to a child. Trump, Stephen Miller, and Jeff Sessions chose to be this cruel, but as you said; it’s not all Republicans that are bad… since most of them opposed this hateful policy.

Edited May 4, 2023 by dogcows

[RLLD 4,143]

4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Nonsense. This is talking about something that may have happened due to mistakes dealing with thousands of cases. Trump intentionally separated kids from their parents.

Intentionally separating kids from their parents as Trump’s administration did is morally reprehensible. Most Republicans opposed it when it became public… which is why Trump walked it back and his toadies started with the BS of “Obama did it too.” 
 

Polling at the time showed that less than a quarter of people in America supported separating babies from their moms. Good to know over 75% of Americans have at least some kind of moral compass. Pretty disgusting that there are 20% or so of people that would be that cruel to a child. Trump, Stephen Miller, and Jeff Sessions chose to be this cruel, but as you said; it’s not all Republicans that are bad… since most of them opposed this hateful policy.

You will have to agree to disagree with the Obama official who spoke to it then.   

I really don't care, except there is always this misplaced pretense that liberals never do anything wrong, and it such a lie that i prefer to point it out.

As I stated, separate them all...if they don't like it there are plenty of other nations out there where they could go....but they wont.....because they know this is the place to be, even if the focking morions who live here want to call it racist and suc.  These migrants at least appreciate what we have, I would take them over filth like you every day of the week. 

[dogcows 1,030]

29 minutes ago, RLLD said:

You will have to agree to disagree with the Obama official who spoke to it then.   

I really don't care, except there is always this misplaced pretense that liberals never do anything wrong, and it such a lie that i prefer to point it out.

As I stated, separate them all...if they don't like it there are plenty of other nations out there where they could go....but they wont.....because they know this is the place to be, even if the focking morions who live here want to call it racist and suc.  These migrants at least appreciate what we have, I would take them over filth like you every day of the week. 

I find it a compliment that a person who supports stealing children from their mothers calls me filth.

And no, it’s not a “agree to disagree” issue at all. If you actually read what you posted, the rare separations that happened pre-Trump were due to mistakes, and the families were reunited as quickly as possible. But why would you even care since you support the cruel policy Trump instituted? Of course, he quickly walked it back when he realized that, unlike you, most people cannot support that level of cruelty.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

Thousands of children that have entered the country are unaccounted for. 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

I find it a compliment that a person who supports stealing children from their mothers calls me filth.

And no, it’s not a “agree to disagree” issue at all. If you actually read what you posted, the rare separations that happened pre-Trump were due to mistakes, and the families were reunited as quickly as possible. But why would you even care since you support the cruel policy Trump instituted? Of course, he quickly walked it back when he realized that, unlike you, most people cannot support that level of cruelty.

Mistakes? Eh....oh, well of course they were "mistakes" 

I give them credit for good "mistakes" in this instance and I applaud the move on the part of Trump to actually do something that has teeth.  This is all just a game, no matter how much you deny it.  Where they live sucks because idiots implemented policies like our Democrats want. So they ruined it, now they want to come here...to this so awful racist place....

Their migration here directly refutes the stupidity of the race baiters.   I notice they do not stop in Mexico for "political safety"  

Lying to yourself is a full time job eh?

[jonnyutah 248]

On 5/2/2023 at 6:42 PM, The Real timschochet said:

 

 

On 5/3/2023 at 6:00 AM, Engorgeous George said:

When i rerad the paper you linked it does not say that illegals commit far lesd violent crimes, it says they have a lower conviction and incarceration rate.  Maybe they commit as much or more crime but it is simply easier for them to avoid prosecution and incarceration due to several factors, includingunwilingness of victims to come forward and to report, and them being likely to duck back across the border to avoid prosecution.

Maybe they commit less crime, maybe more, but the paper does not prove the point.

 

Great post. Tim always posts terrible fake studies. 

The one part that never gets talked about because people are afraid of being called racists is that they include all of the terrible areas in the country in these studies in order to raise the overall crime rate. 

So if I live in a nice area that starts seeing an influx of illegals, it isn't a fair representation to include Baltimore in the data set to give me a bowl of poop salad telling me that it makes my area safer.