5-Points 3,389 Posted May 17, 2023 Reparations for blacks, unemployment for illegals... Is there anything California dems won't do to buy votes? "The California Legislature is proposing a program to provide unemployment benefits to illegal immigrants coming to and residing in the state. Senate Bill 277 by State Senator Maria Elena Durazo (D-Los Angeles) proposes income assistance to unemployed “excluded workers” who are not eligible for regular state or federal unemployment insurance benefits due to their immigration status." They're truly despicable asshoIes 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,157 Posted May 17, 2023 Oh boy the red and blue teams working together again. Welcome to the new America Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,567 Posted May 17, 2023 I don't get it. Perhaps @The Real timschochet can help us to understand why this is a good thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,389 Posted May 17, 2023 Just now, jerryskids said: I don't get it. Perhaps @The Real timschochet can help us to understand why this is a good thing? He will prolly be against this as it would force him to have to pay more to get them to work for him. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,935 Posted May 18, 2023 Do it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,425 Posted May 18, 2023 2 hours ago, jerryskids said: I don't get it. Perhaps @The Real timschochet can help us to understand why this is a good thing? It’s not. It will only create resentment. Im for bringing these people out of the shadows: let them have a path to citizenship, including all of these benefits, but at the same time let them pay taxes. Getting the benefits without paying taxes doesn’t make any sense to me. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838 Posted May 18, 2023 2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: It’s not. It will only create resentment. Im for bringing these people out of the shadows: let them have a path to citizenship, including all of these benefits, but at the same time let them pay taxes. Getting the benefits without paying taxes doesn’t make any sense to me. They shouldn't be getting any benefits at all. End of story. You guys in California are completely f****** nuts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerDodger 797 Posted May 18, 2023 Dont worry, that earthquake that splits California off and sinks it to the bottom of the Pacific is way overdue. Any day now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted May 18, 2023 1 hour ago, RogerDodger said: Dont worry, that earthquake that splits California off and sinks it to the bottom of the Pacific is way overdue. Any day now. Learn to swim. Learn to swim. Learn to swim. See you down in Arizona Bay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Davis 339 Posted May 18, 2023 If anything like this ever comes to pass, invest in wheel barrows. Everyone will need one to carry all the currency when we have to print our way out of these asinine things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,186 Posted May 18, 2023 Wait. The lefties tell me we need to let these people in because we need the labor. Well, if they don't have a job there is no reason for them to be here. Kick the unemployed ones out. Problem solved. In fact, let's tell them we're giving unemployment benefits and all they have to do is step on this bus to receive them. Double win. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,389 Posted May 18, 2023 12 hours ago, 5-Points said: He will prolly be against this as it would force him to have to pay more to get them to work for him. Nailed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,389 Posted May 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Strike said: Wait. The lefties tell me we need to let these people in because we need the labor. Well, if they don't have a job there is no reason for them to be here. Kick the unemployed ones out. Problem solved. In fact, let's tell them we're giving unemployment benefits and all they have to do is step on this bus to receive them. Double win. Excellent point. But then they'd lose out on all those brand new voters. There's no way those unemployment checks don't come with voter registration cards too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,085 Posted May 18, 2023 Any time one of the invaders drops an anchor baby, the kid qualifies for benefits so they are already sucking on the welfare states teet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,588 Posted May 18, 2023 They’re only here to collect the unemployment that Americans are too lazy to do 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,804 Posted May 18, 2023 Starts with this...then voter registrations. The dems know exactly what they are doing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,658 Posted May 18, 2023 i would only be in favor of this is they pay into the system (taxes) and this could be verified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,098 Posted May 18, 2023 9 hours ago, Strike said: Wait. The lefties tell me we need to let these people in because we need the labor. Well, if they don't have a job there is no reason for them to be here. Kick the unemployed ones out. Problem solved. In fact, let's tell them we're giving unemployment benefits and all they have to do is step on this bus to receive them. Double win. Guys like Tim are paying them with cash. They'll get both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,425 Posted May 18, 2023 9 hours ago, Strike said: Wait. The lefties tell me we need to let these people in because we need the labor. Well, if they don't have a job there is no reason for them to be here. Kick the unemployed ones out. Problem solved. In fact, let's tell them we're giving unemployment benefits and all they have to do is step on this bus to receive them. Double win. No the lefties don’t tell you that. The capitalists do. And they also tell you, correctly, that even if this law passed these people would STILL pay way more into the system than any benefits they receive. So as usual you’re full of crap. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,484 Posted May 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, Reality said: Guys like Tim are paying them with cash. They'll get both. Yeah, you gotta love this idea. California encourages their business owners to hire illegals and pay them under the table... then offers to give them unemployment. Meanwhile, you have GC liberals saying that the problem is the business owner for hiring the illegals (because they think it's only conservative business owners hiring the illegals), and not the governments fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,425 Posted May 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Yeah, you gotta love this idea. California encourages their business owners to hire illegals and pay them under the table... then offers to give them unemployment. Meanwhile, you have GC liberals saying that the problem is the business owner for hiring the illegals (because they think it's only conservative business owners hiring the illegals), and not the governments fault. California doesn’t encourage this nearly enough. I’m limited to $300 per person per year (that I can pay cash to without reporting. ) It should be much higher. Though I have never broken this law, plenty of people do; it’s unenforceable. Stupid to have laws that can’t be effectively enforced (and yes this is true of wages, immigrants, and guns.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 1,952 Posted May 18, 2023 32 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Yeah, you gotta love this idea. California encourages their business owners to hire illegals and pay them under the table... then offers to give them unemployment. Meanwhile, you have GC liberals saying that the problem is the business owner for hiring the illegals (because they think it's only conservative business owners hiring the illegals), and not the governments fault. I don't think from what I have read that those paid "under the table" would probably qualify. And according to this article, employers have already $485 million on their behalf into the system which they can't access, unlike every other paid worker. California safety net bill would give undocumented workers a share of unemployment benefits - CBS San Francisco (cbsnews.com) We spoke with Jenna Gerry, Senior Staff Attorney at the National Employment Law Project, to understand how this would work. "It would be run through the Employment Development Department, which is the agency that administers regular unemployment insurance," Gerry explained. "They would apply for the benefit and have to show proof of their past wages." Some of the ways to show past income would include proof of schedule showing how many hours they worked each week, or bank information showing direct, consistent deposits. "Currently, employers are paying about $485 million on their behalf into the [unemployment Insurance] system already," Gerry added. "But unlike every other worker, they can never see a cent of that money." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,425 Posted May 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, squistion said: "Currently, employers are paying about $485 million on their behalf into the [unemployment Insurance] system already," Gerry added. "But unlike every other worker, they can never see a cent of that money." I honestly think this is a fair result. These folks did come here illegally after all. I welcome them, I think they contribute to our prosperity, but I don’t think they’re entitled to unemployment benefits no matter how much their employers pay into it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,935 Posted May 18, 2023 Seeing how California did such a bang up job with unemployment during Covid, what can go wrong with this? No fraud. No way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 1,952 Posted May 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I honestly think this is a fair result. These folks did come here illegally after all. I welcome them, I think they contribute to our prosperity, but I don’t think they’re entitled to unemployment benefits no matter how much their employers pay into it. If you pay into the system (via your employer) then you should be to qualify for unemployment as does every other worker. That is a fair result. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,484 Posted May 18, 2023 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: California doesn’t encourage this nearly enough. I’m limited to $300 per person per year (that I can pay cash to without reporting. ) It should be much higher. Though I have never broken this law, plenty of people do; it’s unenforceable. Stupid to have laws that can’t be effectively enforced (and yes this is true of wages, immigrants, and guns.) I'm sure the vast majority break it for the simple reason that you stated, it's virtually unenforceable. Though, it's the only encouragement that's needed. People who are in the middle, don't pay enough attention, or are willing to accept small amounts, aren't going to care too much about about it. If the state really pushes the issue then not only will some people care, you're now encroaching on federal tax laws and CA doesn't want to poke that bear because in times where there's a Republican president and Republican congress, they fit might hit the shan, so it's best to keep it on the down low. It also helps to virtue signal and feed into the white guilt that's out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,484 Posted May 18, 2023 41 minutes ago, squistion said: I don't think from what I have read that those paid "under the table" would probably qualify. And according to this article, employers have already $485 million on their behalf into the system which they can't access, unlike every other paid worker. California safety net bill would give undocumented workers a share of unemployment benefits - CBS San Francisco (cbsnews.com) We spoke with Jenna Gerry, Senior Staff Attorney at the National Employment Law Project, to understand how this would work. "It would be run through the Employment Development Department, which is the agency that administers regular unemployment insurance," Gerry explained. "They would apply for the benefit and have to show proof of their past wages." Some of the ways to show past income would include proof of schedule showing how many hours they worked each week, or bank information showing direct, consistent deposits. "Currently, employers are paying about $485 million on their behalf into the [unemployment Insurance] system already," Gerry added. "But unlike every other worker, they can never see a cent of that money." No, I wouldn't think they would qualify, but I'm guessing that's something that's stated all the way through the approval process and eliminated at voting/approval time. Like I said in my prior posts, things like that are just to keep the non-white guilter's at bay. The liberal media will make it known that those who get paid wouldn't qualify... but not tell anyone that this provision was stricken from the bill just before the vote. That way, the vast majority are out of the loop. Also, it's common knowledge to everyone that businesses who get cash from their customers aren't declaring all of it. That money can easily be transferred into the hands of the illegal immigrants without anyone ever knowing. In the link, as you point out, "bank information". Does that include "Check cashing" establishments? Does it include Venmo or PayPal? No, it doesn't. Check cashing places only verify that the person cashing the check has ID to match the name on the check. The state isn't going to go into every single check cashing establishment to pull their records to track Jose to see if he gets a check every week. Also, a lot of the illegals have, get this, a fake ID. Tim over there could be paying "Jose" one week, "Juan" the next, "Julio", the following week, and "Jesus" the week after that... and it's the same person. He doesn't check when he picks them up at the local Home Depot, he just knows he's getting cheap labor (don't get you panties in a bunch Tim, it's just an example). I'm the commissioner of 7 fantasy leagues (mix of baseball, football, and tournaments/pools). I probably have about $15k coming in and out of that account over the course of the year (obviously spread out). It wouldn't be hard for small business owners to funnel money like that to illegals as well. Obviously not through fantasy sports, but it could be anything from a general business transaction, personal transaction, or what have you. There's plenty of ways to funnel the money without the government finding out. To make comment to the last quote, "But unlike every other worker, they aren't in the country legally". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites