Why I Believe The Justice Department’s Study Of Minnesota Police Is Largely BS

[easilyscan 869]

Let's start with a man named John Thompson. He was born in Chicago (date unknown) & @ some point, moved to Minnesota.
He served as a member of the Minnesota House of Representatives for the 67A district (the cesspool known as St Paul) from 2021 to 2023. Elected in November 2020, he assumed office on January 5, 2021. Prior to seeking elected office, Thompson was an activist supporting the Black Lives Matter movement & directed a local social justice organization.

In August 2020, he attended/led a protest outside police union president Bob Kroll’s house in Hugo Minnesota. 
“Come on over here with your Blue Lives Matter sign! Blue lives ain’t s-t! And if people in Hugo don’t support black people, f—k Hugo, Minnesota!” “this whole god d-n state burned down for 20 god d-n dollars, you think we give a f-k about burning Hugo down? Now you running your coward a-- back into the garage.”
The video is only 2:48, notice other despicable things he does.  No charges filed, & the democratic party kept their endorsement for him. 

Fast forward about a year. He gets pulled over by law enforcement. Not surprisingly, he claims racial profiling. The officer clearly points out to him that the reason he was pulled over is because he didn't have a front license plate, but he's still claims he was pulled over for driving black. LMAO.  Almost forgot, at the time of the video, WCCO either wasn't aware, or decided to withhold the fact that the reason John's Minnesota license was suspended is because he hadn't been making child support payments. 

But wait, it gets better. 
While it hasn't been made official, it appears that John's son Derrick killed 5 people Friday night.

https://alphanews.org/five-young-women-killed-by-reckless-driver-in-minneapolis/

Derrick Thompson has a long history of driving-related offenses, including multiple convictions for driving with a revoked or suspended license. 
But wait, it gets better.

February 7, 2020 Ventura California.
A Minnesota man was sentenced this week to 8 years in prison for leading Ventura police on a Montecito car chase that left a woman in a coma.

Derrick Thompson, 23, pleaded guilty Jan. 26 to charges stemming from the 2018 incident. His plea came as jury selection was starting in his trial.

He was accused of recklessly driving a Chevrolet Impala that officers pursued to Butterfly Beach, where the vehicle hit a woman, according to a news release from the Santa Barbara County District Attorney’s Office.

More than 17 pounds of marijuana and more than $20,000 in cash were found in the car, authorities said.

If this is accurate, why wasn't he still in prison ?

Miscellaneous:
August 2018
The son of a prominent local activist was shot and wounded in St. Paul Monday afternoon outside of a funeral.
Reached by phone Monday afternoon, John Thompson confirmed that his son had been shot, but said he had little more to immediately add as he waited at the hospital during his son’s recovery.  (Gang related)

So all the BS this guy & his wonderful son have pulled over the years is due to institutional racism.

In a pigs A**
If elected officials are crying racism/profiling when there’s an absolutely legitimate reason they were pulled over, you know most others did the same thing.
So I stand by my opinion that the justice departments study is largely BS. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jonmx 2,424]

You have to understand what is the real motive here.  Biden and the establishment do not give one rats ass about racism.  This whole effort is about federalizing local police.  They knew the woke idiots in Minnesota would roll over and submit to the feds.  This is a dangerous precedent.  This is not a study, there is zero data.   All they have is a few antedotal events to make sweeping generalizations to futher expand the power of the federal government.  

The leftist authoritarian bastards hate local police.  They love the defund the police rhetoric.  They are usurping the independence of local police under the guise of fake civil rights accusations.  

[wiffleball 4,788]

Hey big sexy! I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that you didn't write a single word of that and just cut and pasted from God knows where. Which is cool. Because even stupid people should be allowed to participate in partially social activities like this. But have you ever thought of just reading stuff and forming your own opinion with your own words and whatnot?,

 

And really? You're carrying water for MPD? 

 

Wow. Mebbe Pick your battles...

[Drizzay 699]

I was wondering why they hadn't released any information on the suspected driver.  All of the stories have been about the 5 innocent lives (and rightly so).  I've driven that off ramp many times, and I've seen the traffic cam video of his car.  He was flying down it.

Lots of Twitter comments on the initial news stories trying to blame the police for chasing him (he was not being pursued).  If it was truly him, I wouldn't be surprised if the family/political members with his father were trying to push a false narrative early.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,961]

3 hours ago, easilyscan said:

Let's start with a man named John Thompson. He was born in Chicago (date unknown) & @ some point, moved to Minnesota.
He served as a member of the Minnesota House of Representatives for the 67A district (the cesspool known as St Paul) from 2021 to 2023. Elected in November 2020, he assumed office on January 5, 2021. Prior to seeking elected office, Thompson was an activist supporting the Black Lives Matter movement & directed a local social justice organization.

In August 2020, he attended/led a protest outside police union president Bob Kroll’s house in Hugo Minnesota. 
“Come on over here with your Blue Lives Matter sign! Blue lives ain’t s-t! And if people in Hugo don’t support black people, f—k Hugo, Minnesota!” “this whole god d-n state burned down for 20 god d-n dollars, you think we give a f-k about burning Hugo down? Now you running your coward a-- back into the garage.”
The video is only 2:48, notice other despicable things he does.  No charges filed, & the democratic party kept their endorsement for him. 

Fast forward about a year. He gets pulled over by law enforcement. Not surprisingly, he claims racial profiling. The officer clearly points out to him that the reason he was pulled over is because he didn't have a front license plate, but he's still claims he was pulled over for driving black. LMAO.  Almost forgot, at the time of the video, WCCO either wasn't aware, or decided to withhold the fact that the reason John's Minnesota license was suspended is because he hadn't been making child support payments. 

But wait, it gets better. 
While it hasn't been made official, it appears that John's son Derrick killed 5 people Friday night.

https://alphanews.org/five-young-women-killed-by-reckless-driver-in-minneapolis/

Derrick Thompson has a long history of driving-related offenses, including multiple convictions for driving with a revoked or suspended license. 
But wait, it gets better.

February 7, 2020 Ventura California.
A Minnesota man was sentenced this week to 8 years in prison for leading Ventura police on a Montecito car chase that left a woman in a coma.

Derrick Thompson, 23, pleaded guilty Jan. 26 to charges stemming from the 2018 incident. His plea came as jury selection was starting in his trial.

He was accused of recklessly driving a Chevrolet Impala that officers pursued to Butterfly Beach, where the vehicle hit a woman, according to a news release from the Santa Barbara County District Attorney’s Office.

More than 17 pounds of marijuana and more than $20,000 in cash were found in the car, authorities said.

If this is accurate, why wasn't he still in prison ?

Miscellaneous:
August 2018
The son of a prominent local activist was shot and wounded in St. Paul Monday afternoon outside of a funeral.
Reached by phone Monday afternoon, John Thompson confirmed that his son had been shot, but said he had little more to immediately add as he waited at the hospital during his son’s recovery.  (Gang related)

So all the BS this guy & his wonderful son have pulled over the years is due to institutional racism.

In a pigs A**
If elected officials are crying racism/profiling when there’s an absolutely legitimate reason they were pulled over, you know most others did the same thing.
So I stand by my opinion that the justice departments study is largely BS. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That’s great stuff man. Thanks. Our resident libtarded twats won’t be bothering with this thread. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,961]

42 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Hey big sexy! I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that you didn't write a single word of that and just cut and pasted from God knows where. Which is cool. Because even stupid people should be allowed to participate in partially social activities like this. But have you ever thought of just reading stuff and forming your own opinion with your own words and whatnot?,

 

And really? You're carrying water for MPD? 

 

Wow. Mebbe Pick your battles...

Lol. This Fockin clown. 

[jonmx 2,424]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Lol. This Fockin clown. 

The sad part is Democrats don't even realized the power-hungry corruot satanic bastards they support.   They just buy into whatever lies the government and their minions in the media tells them to.   The irony is the Democrats believe not questioning authority is independant and critical thinking.   Very Orwellian.  

[easilyscan 869]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Lol. This Fockin clown. 

Calling wiffleball a clown is an insult to real clowns.

It wouldn't be possible for me to care any less about what an idiot like that thinks. 

[easilyscan 869]

 

[dogcows 1,030]

This has nothing to do with the DOJ report. You appear to have some vendetta against this one guy and you’re confusing it with the report’s findings, which don’t even mention this person.

I’d call it a deflection but you probably aren’t smart enough for that. You most likely read this somewhere and honestly believed it was part of the DOJ’s report. Here’s the actual report: tell me if you find this guy mentioned in there.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/justice-department-report-minneapolis-police-department/a4d5b0b719ebd88a/full.pdf

[seafoam1 2,804]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

This has nothing to do with the DOJ report. You appear to have some vendetta against this one guy and you’re confusing it with the report’s findings, which don’t even mention this person.

I’d call it a deflection but you probably aren’t smart enough for that. You most likely read this somewhere and honestly believed it was part of the DOJ’s report. Here’s the actual report: tell me if you find this guy mentioned in there.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/justice-department-report-minneapolis-police-department/a4d5b0b719ebd88a/full.pdf

ya ga ga love...

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

This has nothing to do with the DOJ report. You appear to have some vendetta against this one guy and you’re confusing it with the report’s findings, which don’t even mention this person.

I’d call it a deflection but you probably aren’t smart enough for that. You most likely read this somewhere and honestly believed it was part of the DOJ’s report. Here’s the actual report: tell me if you find this guy mentioned in there.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/justice-department-report-minneapolis-police-department/a4d5b0b719ebd88a/full.pdf

Good God you get dumber by the focking day.

[The Real timschochet 6,448]

The study had statistics. This refutation is based on anecdotes. That’s not really comparable. 

What’s frustrating to me is that there are so many people here and elsewhere who want to deny the truth of the study. A study about racism among police in the inner cities of this country shouldn’t be necessary; we all know it’s happening. Why it’s happening and what to do about it are questions that reasonable people will disagree about and that’s a discussion we can have. But first we have to acknowledge that it’s going on. 

[easilyscan 869]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

This has nothing to do with the DOJ report. You appear to have some vendetta against this one guy and you’re confusing it with the report’s findings, which don’t even mention this person.

I’d call it a deflection but you probably aren’t smart enough for that. You most likely read this somewhere and honestly believed it was part of the DOJ’s report. Here’s the actual report: tell me if you find this guy mentioned in there.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/justice-department-report-minneapolis-police-department/a4d5b0b719ebd88a/full.pdf

You believe what you wanna believe, & I'll do the same.

Now let's play a game of fock off, you go 1st.

[easilyscan 869]

29 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Good God you get dumber by the focking day.

Is that even possible ?

[dogcows 1,030]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The study had statistics. This refutation is based on anecdotes. That’s not really comparable. 

What’s frustrating to me is that there are so many people here and elsewhere who want to deny the truth of the study. A study about racism among police in the inner cities of this country shouldn’t be necessary; we all know it’s happening. Why it’s happening and what to do about it are questions that reasonable people will disagree about and that’s a discussion we can have. But first we have to acknowledge that it’s going on. 

Very few of the most frequent right-wing posters want to discuss the facts. You see here they went straight to name-calling. Even the blue pony, who writes 1000-word posts, doesn’t engage in actual discussion. When questioned, he ignores the question and starts a new thread full of videos and cut-paste from the web.

[Alias Detective 1,389]

13 hours ago, wiffleball said:

Hey big sexy! I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that you didn't write a single word of that and just cut and pasted from God knows where. Which is cool. Because even stupid people should be allowed to participate in partially social activities like this. But have you ever thought of just reading stuff and forming your own opinion with your own words and whatnot?,

 

And really? You're carrying water for MPD? 

 

Wow. Mebbe Pick your battles...

Buss boy says what?

 

Know your lane.  You are a GM, at best, of a restaurant.

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

6 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Very few of the most frequent right-wing posters want to discuss the facts. You see here they went straight to name-calling. Even the blue pony, who writes 1000-word posts, doesn’t engage in actual discussion. When questioned, he ignores the question and starts a new thread full of videos and cut-paste from the web.

We know the fact that one group of people commit a majority of crime in this country but idiots like you just want to blame it on racism. 

[jonmx 2,424]

9 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

We know the fact that one group of people commit a majority of crime in this country but idiots like you just want to blame it on racism. 

It is so strange that a group which commits violent crime at 6 times more than the other groups, also has 6 times the number of police interactions.  It must be  systemic racism.

You really can't argue with this level of stupidity. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,485]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The study had statistics. This refutation is based on anecdotes. That’s not really comparable. 

What’s frustrating to me is that there are so many people here and elsewhere who want to deny the truth of the study. A study about racism among police in the inner cities of this country shouldn’t be necessary; we all know it’s happening. Why it’s happening and what to do about it are questions that reasonable people will disagree about and that’s a discussion we can have. But first we have to acknowledge that it’s going on. 

So wait, you're telling me that a city that is comprised by a mass majority of liberals and has been completely run by liberals for over 50 years, has a problem with systemic racism?

[Voltaire 5,203]

Hopefully this stays on page one a bit as I don't have time to go over the videos.

[dogcows 1,030]

9 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So wait, you're telling me that a city that is comprised by a mass majority of liberals and has been completely run by liberals for over 50 years, has a problem with systemic racism?

Do you think systemic racism is just a liberal vs conservative problem? Do you not know the history of most police departments, their unions, and how that leads to little or no accountability?

I hear a lot of right-wing talking heads lately talking about how the FBI, even though its director was appointed by a Republican, is supposedly unaccountable and rogue. If you believe that, then why is it hard to believe it when you’re told many city police departments are unaccountable to their citizens?

Maybe, just maybe, we could find a bit of common ground here. Let’s make all law enforcement, local and National, more transparent and accountable. Sound good?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,961]

Liberals should stay out of policing and the military.  It ain’t their thing. Also, that report didn’t mention victims.  Fock em I guess. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,961]

Has there ever been a better time to be a criminal than now? 

[Fnord 2,054]

16 hours ago, easilyscan said:

Let's start with a man named John Thompson. He was born in Chicago (date unknown) & @ some point, moved to Minnesota.
He served as a member of the Minnesota House of Representatives for the 67A district (the cesspool known as St Paul) from 2021 to 2023. Elected in November 2020, he assumed office on January 5, 2021. Prior to seeking elected office, Thompson was an activist supporting the Black Lives Matter movement & directed a local social justice organization.

In August 2020, he attended/led a protest outside police union president Bob Kroll’s house in Hugo Minnesota. 
“Come on over here with your Blue Lives Matter sign! Blue lives ain’t s-t! And if people in Hugo don’t support black people, f—k Hugo, Minnesota!” “this whole god d-n state burned down for 20 god d-n dollars, you think we give a f-k about burning Hugo down? Now you running your coward a-- back into the garage.”
The video is only 2:48, notice other despicable things he does.  No charges filed, & the democratic party kept their endorsement for him. 

Fast forward about a year. He gets pulled over by law enforcement. Not surprisingly, he claims racial profiling. The officer clearly points out to him that the reason he was pulled over is because he didn't have a front license plate, but he's still claims he was pulled over for driving black. LMAO.  Almost forgot, at the time of the video, WCCO either wasn't aware, or decided to withhold the fact that the reason John's Minnesota license was suspended is because he hadn't been making child support payments. 

But wait, it gets better. 
While it hasn't been made official, it appears that John's son Derrick killed 5 people Friday night.

https://alphanews.org/five-young-women-killed-by-reckless-driver-in-minneapolis/

Derrick Thompson has a long history of driving-related offenses, including multiple convictions for driving with a revoked or suspended license. 
But wait, it gets better.

February 7, 2020 Ventura California.
A Minnesota man was sentenced this week to 8 years in prison for leading Ventura police on a Montecito car chase that left a woman in a coma.

Derrick Thompson, 23, pleaded guilty Jan. 26 to charges stemming from the 2018 incident. His plea came as jury selection was starting in his trial.

He was accused of recklessly driving a Chevrolet Impala that officers pursued to Butterfly Beach, where the vehicle hit a woman, according to a news release from the Santa Barbara County District Attorney’s Office.

More than 17 pounds of marijuana and more than $20,000 in cash were found in the car, authorities said.

If this is accurate, why wasn't he still in prison ?

Miscellaneous:
August 2018
The son of a prominent local activist was shot and wounded in St. Paul Monday afternoon outside of a funeral.
Reached by phone Monday afternoon, John Thompson confirmed that his son had been shot, but said he had little more to immediately add as he waited at the hospital during his son’s recovery.  (Gang related)

So all the BS this guy & his wonderful son have pulled over the years is due to institutional racism.

In a pigs A**
If elected officials are crying racism/profiling when there’s an absolutely legitimate reason they were pulled over, you know most others did the same thing.
So I stand by my opinion that the justice departments study is largely BS. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What does one a-hole DLF'er and his loser son have to do with the report? Nothing. Conflating the two is a stupid talking point that any reasonable person can immediately see through. Good luck in your defense of MPD though. Back the blue! Unless they're FBI or DOJ, of course. 

[jonmx 2,424]

40 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Do you think systemic racism is just a liberal vs conservative problem? Do you not know the history of most police departments, their unions, and how that leads to little or no accountability?

I hear a lot of right-wing talking heads lately talking about how the FBI, even though its director was appointed by a Republican, is supposedly unaccountable and rogue. If you believe that, then why is it hard to believe it when you’re told many city police departments are unaccountable to their citizens?

Maybe, just maybe, we could find a bit of common ground here. Let’s make all law enforcement, local and National, more transparent and accountable. Sound good?

No, it is more of a problem of the authoritarian leftist who use it as a white scare issue which vilifies whites and attempts wide-sweeping social policies to implement their Marxist vision for their ideal utopia which is equity for all (except of course for the ruling class elitist who will enjoy extreme wealth and unlimited power).

[jonmx 2,424]

25 minutes ago, Fnord said:

What does one a-hole DLF'er and his loser son have to do with the report? Nothing. Conflating the two is a stupid talking point that any reasonable person can immediately see through. Good luck in your defense of MPD though. Back the blue! Unless they're FBI or DOJ, of course. 

It is an example of those screaming the loudest about systemic racism are complete frauds and are the real dangerous ones.  The leftist dream of equity can only be achieved by a massive central authoritarian power, where all the wealth will accumulate.

[MDC 7,149]

16 hours ago, easilyscan said:

Let's start with a man named John Thompson. He was born in Chicago (date unknown) & @ some point, moved to Minnesota.
He served as a member of the Minnesota House of Representatives for the 67A district (the cesspool known as St Paul) from 2021 to 2023. Elected in November 2020, he assumed office on January 5, 2021. Prior to seeking elected office, Thompson was an activist supporting the Black Lives Matter movement & directed a local social justice organization.

In August 2020, he attended/led a protest outside police union president Bob Kroll’s house in Hugo Minnesota. 
“Come on over here with your Blue Lives Matter sign! Blue lives ain’t s-t! And if people in Hugo don’t support black people, f—k Hugo, Minnesota!” “this whole god d-n state burned down for 20 god d-n dollars, you think we give a f-k about burning Hugo down? Now you running your coward a-- back into the garage.”
The video is only 2:48, notice other despicable things he does.  No charges filed, & the democratic party kept their endorsement for him. 

Fast forward about a year. He gets pulled over by law enforcement. Not surprisingly, he claims racial profiling. The officer clearly points out to him that the reason he was pulled over is because he didn't have a front license plate, but he's still claims he was pulled over for driving black. LMAO.  Almost forgot, at the time of the video, WCCO either wasn't aware, or decided to withhold the fact that the reason John's Minnesota license was suspended is because he hadn't been making child support payments. 

But wait, it gets better. 
While it hasn't been made official, it appears that John's son Derrick killed 5 people Friday night.

https://alphanews.org/five-young-women-killed-by-reckless-driver-in-minneapolis/

Derrick Thompson has a long history of driving-related offenses, including multiple convictions for driving with a revoked or suspended license. 
But wait, it gets better.

February 7, 2020 Ventura California.
A Minnesota man was sentenced this week to 8 years in prison for leading Ventura police on a Montecito car chase that left a woman in a coma.

Derrick Thompson, 23, pleaded guilty Jan. 26 to charges stemming from the 2018 incident. His plea came as jury selection was starting in his trial.

He was accused of recklessly driving a Chevrolet Impala that officers pursued to Butterfly Beach, where the vehicle hit a woman, according to a news release from the Santa Barbara County District Attorney’s Office.

More than 17 pounds of marijuana and more than $20,000 in cash were found in the car, authorities said.

If this is accurate, why wasn't he still in prison ?

Miscellaneous:
August 2018
The son of a prominent local activist was shot and wounded in St. Paul Monday afternoon outside of a funeral.
Reached by phone Monday afternoon, John Thompson confirmed that his son had been shot, but said he had little more to immediately add as he waited at the hospital during his son’s recovery.  (Gang related)

So all the BS this guy & his wonderful son have pulled over the years is due to institutional racism.

In a pigs A**
If elected officials are crying racism/profiling when there’s an absolutely legitimate reason they were pulled over, you know most others did the same thing.
So I stand by my opinion that the justice departments study is largely BS. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I skimmed this post and can’t tell what if anything it has to do with the DOJ report.

[Fnord 2,054]

17 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The leftist dream of equity can only be achieved by a massive central authoritarian power, where all the wealth will accumulate.

Oh right. I forgot how fantastic a job the Republicans are doing with keeping wealth inequity at bay. Those tax cuts for the rich sure have substantially decreased the number of poor in this country! Bang up job!

[Fnord 2,054]

14 minutes ago, MDC said:

I skimmed this post and can’t tell what if anything it has to do with the DOJ report.

Hint: zero, zip, nada, zilch, nothing. More shell game antics from the right. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,961]

Scumbag son of a scumbag activist that kicks  up all this systemic racism bullshit kills 5 people. Typical. 

[jonmx 2,424]

22 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Oh right. I forgot how fantastic a job the Republicans are doing with keeping wealth inequity at bay. Those tax cuts for the rich sure have substantially decreased the number of poor in this country! Bang up job!

I don't claim the Republicans are really worth a crap, because it is also corrupt with some who endorse the big government establishment solution.  What America is suppose to stand for is freedom, equal opportunity, and equal treatment for all.  The modern left which completely controls the Democratic Party, big tech, and mainstream media including FoxNews do not endorse any of those concepts. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,961]

Libtards still acting like the democrats aren’t the party of the rich now.  Funny.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,485]

3 hours ago, dogcows said:

Do you think systemic racism is just a liberal vs conservative problem? Do you not know the history of most police departments, their unions, and how that leads to little or no accountability?

I hear a lot of right-wing talking heads lately talking about how the FBI, even though its director was appointed by a Republican, is supposedly unaccountable and rogue. If you believe that, then why is it hard to believe it when you’re told many city police departments are unaccountable to their citizens?

Maybe, just maybe, we could find a bit of common ground here. Let’s make all law enforcement, local and National, more transparent and accountable. Sound good?

Honest answer?

I think crime is committed by lazy people of all races.  Yes, I think poverty levels contribute to it... but I think the two go hand-in-hand... lazy=poverty.  Are there exceptions?  Absolutely, but if I had to put a finger on it, I'd say that the vast majority, like 90%+... lazy = poverty = crime.  Again, "people", meaning the individual person. 

 

I don't think, I know, that liberal policies have a greater impact on poverty than conservative policies.  I don't think, I know, that those policies have a higher impact on black people.  So, if there are ANY claims of "systemic racism", they fall at the feet of the Democrats.  I'll give you a few examples (again, as I've posted them on these boards before, and I don't even have to go as far back as fighting to keep slaves, the KKK, or the promotion of abortion to the black community to keep their population numbers down):

• The Civil Rights Act - The "Act" itself isn't the issue, it was the Democrats political platform afterwards.  Prior to the end of segregation, Black folks had very low rates of unemployment, divorce, & poverty.  They had rates of high school diploma's and college graduates on par with whites.  So, what happened?  Welfare.  The Civil Rights Act was the starting point for Democrats to tall black folks that they were victims of the evil white Republican and that welfare was the way to go.  That's what got black folks voting blue instead of Red.  The Democrats told them that welfare would give them money from the government.  To this day, the percentage of black people dominate the government assistance pool, they have the highest rate of unemployment, they have the lowest high school and college graduation rates, and the highest rate of poverty.  It's NOT a coincidence.
• The Crime Bill - Joe Biden's (a co-author), Crime Bill all but destroyed the black community.  That bill put more black men in prison than any other piece of legislation in the history of the United States.  This country never had a piece of legislation so racist since slavery.  Biden's administration will tell you that the Bill wasn't the problem, that it was the states abuse of the funding.  Let's pretend that's true, even though common sense says it's not, which states were the biggest abusers?  It's not a coincidence that the blue states had the biggest drops in crime rate just a couple years after the Crime Bill was instituted. It's because the "criminals" were already in prison and couldn't commit more crime.  When I say "criminals", I'm referring to black people because they were disproportionally represented in prison, thanks to the Crime Bill legislation.
• Wiffleball tried to throw cops under the bus last week with his b.s. post about bad cops.  Truth of the matter is, it's the fault of Democrats.  As I put in response to his post, Democrats fought to lower the standards that people needed to become cops, because women and minorities (mainly black folks), could meet the necessary requirements.  So, what happens?  No, not an increase in women and blacks, but an increase in stupid white people.
• Today, all of the biggest crime rate increases are happen in liberal cities/states because of their lack of prosecution of crimes.  Yes, most of them are black or minorities.  That's not an indictment on race, it's an indictment on Democrat policies.  Simply, they don't work.  It goes back to my very first statement... "lazy = poverty = crime".  These are repeat offenders... it's not more black people deciding to commit crime.  On top of that, the people these policies hurt the most, is the poor and black people.

No one is going to argue with you when you want to say prosecute the few bad apples.  The pushback comes when you say "Defund the Police", "All Cops are Bad", "'Pigs in a Blanket, Fry 'Em Like Bacon".  It's divisive propaganda pushed by Democrats to keep black people hating white people... specifically Republican's.

So, when you want to have "common ground", first you have to acknowledge that your party is the biggest racist organization in the country... and people need to stop voting for them.  Until then, stfu because you are the problem.

[Voltaire 5,203]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

I skimmed this post and can’t tell what if anything it has to do with the DOJ report.

 I'm relieved to find that it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Georgetown basketball.

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1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Honest answer?

I think crime is committed by lazy people of all races.  Yes, I think poverty levels contribute to it... but I think the two go hand-in-hand... lazy=poverty.  Are there exceptions?  Absolutely, but if I had to put a finger on it, I'd say that the vast majority, like 90%+... lazy = poverty = crime.  Again, "people", meaning the individual person. 

 

I don't think, I know, that liberal policies have a greater impact on poverty than conservative policies.  I don't think, I know, that those policies have a higher impact on black people.  So, if there are ANY claims of "systemic racism", they fall at the feet of the Democrats.  I'll give you a few examples (again, as I've posted them on these boards before, and I don't even have to go as far back as fighting to keep slaves, the KKK, or the promotion of abortion to the black community to keep their population numbers down):

• The Civil Rights Act - The "Act" itself isn't the issue, it was the Democrats political platform afterwards.  Prior to the end of segregation, Black folks had very low rates of unemployment, divorce, & poverty.  They had rates of high school diploma's and college graduates on par with whites.  So, what happened?  Welfare.  The Civil Rights Act was the starting point for Democrats to tall black folks that they were victims of the evil white Republican and that welfare was the way to go.  That's what got black folks voting blue instead of Red.  The Democrats told them that welfare would give them money from the government.  To this day, the percentage of black people dominate the government assistance pool, they have the highest rate of unemployment, they have the lowest high school and college graduation rates, and the highest rate of poverty.  It's NOT a coincidence.
• The Crime Bill - Joe Biden's (a co-author), Crime Bill all but destroyed the black community.  That bill put more black men in prison than any other piece of legislation in the history of the United States.  This country never had a piece of legislation so racist since slavery.  Biden's administration will tell you that the Bill wasn't the problem, that it was the states abuse of the funding.  Let's pretend that's true, even though common sense says it's not, which states were the biggest abusers?  It's not a coincidence that the blue states had the biggest drops in crime rate just a couple years after the Crime Bill was instituted. It's because the "criminals" were already in prison and couldn't commit more crime.  When I say "criminals", I'm referring to black people because they were disproportionally represented in prison, thanks to the Crime Bill legislation.
• Wiffleball tried to throw cops under the bus last week with his b.s. post about bad cops.  Truth of the matter is, it's the fault of Democrats.  As I put in response to his post, Democrats fought to lower the standards that people needed to become cops, because women and minorities (mainly black folks), could meet the necessary requirements.  So, what happens?  No, not an increase in women and blacks, but an increase in stupid white people.
• Today, all of the biggest crime rate increases are happen in liberal cities/states because of their lack of prosecution of crimes.  Yes, most of them are black or minorities.  That's not an indictment on race, it's an indictment on Democrat policies.  Simply, they don't work.  It goes back to my very first statement... "lazy = poverty = crime".  These are repeat offenders... it's not more black people deciding to commit crime.  On top of that, the people these policies hurt the most, is the poor and black people.

No one is going to argue with you when you want to say prosecute the few bad apples.  The pushback comes when you say "Defund the Police", "All Cops are Bad", "'Pigs in a Blanket, Fry 'Em Like Bacon".  It's divisive propaganda pushed by Democrats to keep black people hating white people... specifically Republican's.

So, when you want to have "common ground", first you have to acknowledge that your party is the biggest racist organization in the country... and people need to stop voting for them.  Until then, stfu because you are the problem.

I will not “admit” that Democrats are the biggest racist organization in the country, because it’s false. Perhaps you believe it. If so, let’s dispel the notion. I will assume this conclusion is based, at least in part, on your above assertions,

Let’s address each of them.

• Civil Rights Act - You are asserting that life was better for black people during segregation.  Your first example is graduation rates. Grad rates for black students in the 50s and 60s were less than half of graduation rates compares to white ones. Since then, the graduation rate for black students has continued to climb and is now almost on par with white students.  Ref: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/06/black-high-school-attainment-nearly-on-par-with-national-average.html. This year we have the lowest black unemployment ever. So much for that false claim. As for poverty? It wasn’t measured for black people until 1965, at which point it was just over 40%. Today it’s less than half that: 18%. Ref: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/09/poverty-rates-for-blacks-and-hispanics-reached-historic-lows-in-2019.html
• Crime bill - without getting into the weeds, I agree. A terrible law. But to be clear: it was bipartisan, passing the House with a voice vote, and got 95 votes in the Senate. I honestly don’t think either party expected its negative effects. However, it is a great example of why “tough on crime” laws are not as effective as people think, and often cause more problems. If you blame it for problems, as you are most likely right to do, you should hold both political parties responsible. For my part, I thought Clinton wasn’t much different than Reagan, not a liberal at all. And I would have liked to see somebody to the left of Biden now… although he has been more liberal than Bill Clinton.
• Not a single study of policing has come to that conclusion. You appear to have simply made it up. The overall makeup of the police force hasn’t changed much for decades: only 9% of police officers have a bachelor’s degree or above.
• This is false. Murder rates went up in rural areas on par with increases in cities. And red states may have gotten the worst of it. Ref: https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem 

Since most of your assertions are based on inaccurate information, your conclusions are therefore invalid. As for bad apples - Remember how that saying goes? One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. And police departments seldom, if ever, get rid of their bad apples. So the whole department can become rotten.

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Now what? 

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

I will not “admit” that Democrats are the biggest racist organization in the country, because it’s false. Perhaps you believe it. If so, let’s dispel the notion. I will assume this conclusion is based, at least in part, on your above assertions,

Let’s address each of them.

• Civil Rights Act - You are asserting that life was better for black people during segregation.  Your first example is graduation rates. Grad rates for black students in the 50s and 60s were less than half of graduation rates compares to white ones. Since then, the graduation rate for black students has continued to climb and is now almost on par with white students.  Ref: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/06/black-high-school-attainment-nearly-on-par-with-national-average.html. This year we have the lowest black unemployment ever. So much for that false claim. As for poverty? It wasn’t measured for black people until 1965, at which point it was just over 40%. Today it’s less than half that: 18%. Ref: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/09/poverty-rates-for-blacks-and-hispanics-reached-historic-lows-in-2019.html
• Crime bill - without getting into the weeds, I agree. A terrible law. But to be clear: it was bipartisan, passing the House with a voice vote, and got 95 votes in the Senate. I honestly don’t think either party expected its negative effects. However, it is a great example of why “tough on crime” laws are not as effective as people think, and often cause more problems. If you blame it for problems, as you are most likely right to do, you should hold both political parties responsible. For my part, I thought Clinton wasn’t much different than Reagan, not a liberal at all. And I would have liked to see somebody to the left of Biden now… although he has been more liberal than Bill Clinton.
• Not a single study of policing has come to that conclusion. You appear to have simply made it up. The overall makeup of the police force hasn’t changed much for decades: only 9% of police officers have a bachelor’s degree or above.
• This is false. Murder rates went up in rural areas on par with increases in cities. And red states may have gotten the worst of it. Ref: https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem 

Since most of your assertions are based on inaccurate information, your conclusions are therefore invalid. As for bad apples - Remember how that saying goes? One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. And police departments seldom, if ever, get rid of their bad apples. So the whole department can become rotten.

This is gobbly gook. You do you. Tough on crime causes more problems than it solves.  Stfu. 

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2 hours ago, dogcows said:

I will not “admit” that Democrats are the biggest racist organization in the country, because it’s false. Perhaps you believe it. If so, let’s dispel the notion. I will assume this conclusion is based, at least in part, on your above assertions,

Let’s address each of them.

• Civil Rights Act - You are asserting that life was better for black people during segregation.  Your first example is graduation rates. Grad rates for black students in the 50s and 60s were less than half of graduation rates compares to white ones. Since then, the graduation rate for black students has continued to climb and is now almost on par with white students.  Ref: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/06/black-high-school-attainment-nearly-on-par-with-national-average.html. This year we have the lowest black unemployment ever. So much for that false claim. As for poverty? It wasn’t measured for black people until 1965, at which point it was just over 40%. Today it’s less than half that: 18%. Ref: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/09/poverty-rates-for-blacks-and-hispanics-reached-historic-lows-in-2019.html
• Crime bill - without getting into the weeds, I agree. A terrible law. But to be clear: it was bipartisan, passing the House with a voice vote, and got 95 votes in the Senate. I honestly don’t think either party expected its negative effects. However, it is a great example of why “tough on crime” laws are not as effective as people think, and often cause more problems. If you blame it for problems, as you are most likely right to do, you should hold both political parties responsible. For my part, I thought Clinton wasn’t much different than Reagan, not a liberal at all. And I would have liked to see somebody to the left of Biden now… although he has been more liberal than Bill Clinton.
• Not a single study of policing has come to that conclusion. You appear to have simply made it up. The overall makeup of the police force hasn’t changed much for decades: only 9% of police officers have a bachelor’s degree or above.
• This is false. Murder rates went up in rural areas on par with increases in cities. And red states may have gotten the worst of it. Ref: https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem 

Since most of your assertions are based on inaccurate information, your conclusions are therefore invalid. As for bad apples - Remember how that saying goes? One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. And police departments seldom, if ever, get rid of their bad apples. So the whole department can become rotten.

It's not a notion, it's a fact.  The Democrats of today are the worst organization to ever exist on Earth and it's not even close.

LOL, you're way off base dude.  Of course black people are better off today than they were during segregation is CERTAIN areas... but they were better off during segregation than they were until the 80's, which was the point.  Democrats used welfare as a stepping stop to taking over the black vote.  Black folks were struggling until Reagan came along.  By the mid-80's, the lives of black folks was getting better.  Well, until the Crime Bill, when MILLIONS of black men were put in prison because they had 1 joint.  Good job Biden!

Yeah, it got 94 votes in the final Senate.  Gotta love your denial.  The FACTS are that it passed in the House with 188 Democrat votes (64 Nays), and 46 Republican votes (131 Nays).  To get passed in the Senate, Biden needed 6 Republican's to end a filibuster and got 7.  After that, the Bill was as good as passed as their were 54 Democrats in the Senate.  Why vote no?  Back then, when the majority had everything they needed to pass a bill, the other side pretty much went with it.

LOL, in trying to deny culpability, you proved my point.  That's right, the overall makeup of the police force hasn't changed in decades... MEANING, that the Democrats push to get more blacks and women on the police force by lowering their standards, DIDN'T WORK.  It actually made it worse because, like I said, all it did lead to "an increase in stupid white people."

Oh, so you're saying that the murder rates in rural area's increased?  Interesting.  You're saying that they're mostly white people?  Imagine that.  Well, I guess that one could only arrive at the conclusion that "System Racism" is bull sh!t then?  Democrats have been lying for decades on that front?

None of my assertions were wrong, you were ignoring the points and passed the buck.  Keep voting blue racist!  Weird that you say one bad apple spoils the bunch... how about 350?  Interesting that there's no liberal outrage against the hiring or teaching practices of teachers.

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39 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It's not a notion, it's a fact.  The Democrats of today are the worst organization to ever exist on Earth and it's not even close.

LOL, you're way off base dude.  Of course black people are better off today than they were during segregation is CERTAIN areas... but they were better off during segregation than they were until the 80's, which was the point.  Democrats used welfare as a stepping stop to taking over the black vote.  Black folks were struggling until Reagan came along.  By the mid-80's, the lives of black folks was getting better.  Well, until the Crime Bill, when MILLIONS of black men were put in prison because they had 1 joint.  Good job Biden!

Yeah, it got 94 votes in the final Senate.  Gotta love your denial.  The FACTS are that it passed in the House with 188 Democrat votes (64 Nays), and 46 Republican votes (131 Nays).  To get passed in the Senate, Biden needed 6 Republican's to end a filibuster and got 7.  After that, the Bill was as good as passed as their were 54 Democrats in the Senate.  Why vote no?  Back then, when the majority had everything they needed to pass a bill, the other side pretty much went with it.

LOL, in trying to deny culpability, you proved my point.  That's right, the overall makeup of the police force hasn't changed in decades... MEANING, that the Democrats push to get more blacks and women on the police force by lowering their standards, DIDN'T WORK.  It actually made it worse because, like I said, all it did lead to "an increase in stupid white people."

Oh, so you're saying that the murder rates in rural area's increased?  Interesting.  You're saying that they're mostly white people?  Imagine that.  Well, I guess that one could only arrive at the conclusion that "System Racism" is bull sh!t then?  Democrats have been lying for decades on that front?

None of my assertions were wrong, you were ignoring the points and passed the buck.  Keep voting blue racist!  Weird that you say one bad apple spoils the bunch... how about 350?  Interesting that there's no liberal outrage against the hiring or teaching practices of teachers.

I pointed out exactly what was inaccurate about your assertions. You haven’t refuted me, just doubled down on “crime bill is bad” which we both agree on. So we agree on that at least. Perhaps it’s good to point out when one’s preferred party screws up. Clinton and Biden screwed up with the crime bill, as did the Republicans who voted for it, which was most of them.

And your claim about the 80s is wrong. You could look at the census charts provided… they showed black poverty down from 40% in 1965 to 30% in 1980. during Reagan’s years: 30% in 1980 and 30% in 1988. No change. In Clinton’s years? 32% in 1992 and 22% in 2000 - way down. So it went down steadily since the Civil Rights Act EXCEPT during the Reagan years You are catching up to tardcore with the embarrassingly wrong statements. . 

You intentionally misrepresented my statement about murder rates. They went up in urban AND rural areas… as I said. You claimed they were going up only in “Democrat” cities which I pointed out was false.

You hate the Democrats, I get it. But you’re just plain full of sh!t calling them a racist organization. And literally everything you wrote about the Civil Rights Act is easily disproven, which I did. I thought maybe we could have a reasonable discussion, but if you cannot put forward honest, factual assertions, then there’s nothing to discuss. Even more so if you double down on the false claims when the cold hard facts are presented.