The NBA is such a joke. Traveling is outrageous.

[edjr 6,578]

 

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

NBA...garbage since the glory days of Magic and Bird

[supermike80 1,803]

51 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

NBA...garbage since tue glory days of Magic and Bird

Seems it's not the players, it's the refs.  If they're not gonna call it, why not do it?

[weepaws 3,154]

Not the players, not the refs, it’s the league, show time = money.  It’s like other sports today, the product that’s being produced it’s far below the quality it once was.   

 

[posty 2,612]

2 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Seems it's not the players, it's the refs.  If they're not gonna call it, why not do it?

Some of them in the video they did call...  But the fans want scoring, so if they called each travel, there would be a lot of stoppages and a much lower score...

In the NBA and FIBA, when a player has taken more than two steps without the ball being dribbled, a traveling violation is called. The NCAA and NFHS do not allow two steps. In 2018, FIBA revised the rule so that one can take a "gather step" before taking the two steps. (from wiki)

[JustinCharge 2,397]

i remember in one basketball game i took a leap from just inside the 3 point line, landed on one foot, then bended slightly at the knee to get spring-loaded and took a second huge leap for a layup.  the bench went nuts because they didnt think it was possible.  they were like "you looked like jordan on that play!"  i see a lot of athletes fail to properly bend the knee to spring load and make huge plays.  i learned that technique by running across a rocky beach as a kid.  i had to hop from one huge rock to another quickly and the only agile method was knee bending.

[Ultra Max Power 214]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

Not the players, not the refs, it’s the league, show time = money.  It’s like other sports today, the product that’s being produced it’s far below the quality it once was.   

 

I'm shocked people still watch it.  I probably turned it off about 5 years ago and haven't watched a full game since.  Sports are on at the gym and I'll get sucked in once in a while, but yeah the regular season is unwatchable.  

[BeenHereBefore 1,455]

Na for the most part it's just 3 point shots back n forth now days.  When someone does go to the basket a foul is called %95 of the time if there is another player near them. This is what ruined the NBA and the walking is just another crap part.

[Gepetto 1,288]

LOL, Lebron gets away with traveling, a carry, and a double dribble all in the same sequence. I remember that play and couldn't believe he got away with that.

[posty 2,612]

The ones that irks me are the ones that Harden and Curry do on the step-back, step-back, three-point shot...  Because they do that and get away with it most of time, the college and high school kids try that crap and then constantly complain if they get called for it...

[Gepetto 1,288]

5 minutes ago, posty said:

The ones that irks me are the ones that Harden and Curry do on the step-back, step-back, three-point shot...  Because they do that and get away with it most of time, the college and high school kids try that crap and then constantly complain if they get called for it...

They put an end to that Harden step back and call it a travel now for the last couple or so years. It was so egregious when he was with Houston.

[posty 2,612]

7 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

They put an end to that Harden step back and call it a travel now for the last couple or so years. It was so egregious when he was with Houston.

Did not know that...  I guess it shows how much I pay attention to the NBA now...  But thank you for the update...

[patweisers44 815]

Surprisingly only one LeFlop appearance in the video.

[edjr 6,578]

 

[seafoam1 2,799]

Just figuring this out after 40+ years of this going on in that stupid game?

[cyclone24 1,912]

The same people that complain the traveling doesn’t get called throw fits on Sundays when holding calls get made every other play. 
If it doesn’t necessarily affect the play, they are going to let it go. A breakaway like that he could’ve taken 10 dribbles and still dunked it. 
not saying i 100% agree with it but I also don’t really want to see officials blowing the whistle every other play

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

On 7/14/2023 at 12:20 PM, JustinCharge said:

i remember in one basketball game i took a leap from just inside the 3 point line, landed on one foot, then bended slightly at the knee to get spring-loaded and took a second huge leap for a layup.  the bench went nuts because they didnt think it was possible.  they were like "you looked like jordan on that play!"  i see a lot of athletes fail to properly bend the knee to spring load and make huge plays.  i learned that technique by running across a rocky beach as a kid.  i had to hop from one huge rock to another quickly and the only agile method was knee bending.

how did no one draw attention to this legendary post? 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

 

I would call this 3 steps but it's kind of hard to tell with the way Giannis runs and how long his strides are. He collects the ball after his last dribble with his foot just outside the 3 point line (7 second mark). Count the steps from there. Looks like it could even be 2 strides. 

I wouldn't even have this crack the video you posted in the OP.

 

some of the travels in that first video are insane. Especially that Klay Thompson one where he sets once to pump fake and then just shuffles to his left for the wide open shot. But for some reason most of the traveling doesn't bother me nearly as much as the flopping or flailing to get foul calls. NBA ref has to be a pretty tough gig with the up and down speed of the game, trying to keep an eye on fouls, steps, pivot foot, screens, etc.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

27 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

The same people that complain the traveling doesn’t get called throw fits on Sundays when holding calls get made every other play. 
If it doesn’t necessarily affect the play, they are going to let it go. A breakaway like that he could’ve taken 10 dribbles and still dunked it. 
not saying i 100% agree with it but I also don’t really want to see officials blowing the whistle every other play

I like this take. Holding happens on so many plays in the NFL, not just at the line of scrimmage but by DB's as well.... People complain enough as it is when they actually get called

[edjr 6,578]

12 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I would call this 3 steps but it's kind of hard to tell with the way Giannis runs and how long his strides are. He collects the ball after his last dribble with his foot just outside the 3 point line (7 second mark). Count the steps from there. Looks like it could even be 2 strides. 

I wouldn't even have this crack the video you posted in the OP.

 

some of the travels in that first video are insane. Especially that Klay Thompson one where he sets once to pump fake and then just shuffles to his left for the wide open shot. But for some reason most of the traveling doesn't bother me nearly as much as the flopping or flailing to get foul calls. NBA ref has to be a pretty tough gig with the up and down speed of the game, trying to keep an eye on fouls, steps, pivot foot, screens, etc.

5 steps one dribble, maybe 6

[cyclone24 1,912]

48 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I like this take. Holding happens on so many plays in the NFL, not just at the line of scrimmage but by DB's as well.... People complain enough as it is when they actually get called

Yeah that’s why you see a player near the basket take a shot and when it misses then they call the foul because they want the game to flow if they can. So if the guy gets a little bit of contact that could go either way but he makes the shot. They are going to let them play, but they’ll ring it up if he misses. 
 

like look at the Rose Bowl the other day. That was one of the best officiated a games I’ve seen in a long time because they just let everything go and let the players figure it out on both sides. It was fantastic.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

53 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I like this take. Holding happens on so many plays in the NFL, not just at the line of scrimmage but by DB's as well.... People complain enough as it is when they actually get called

I get the point but meh.  I would say holding is more like big men jockeying for position for a rebound or slight contact  on a shooter.  Can you call them?  Sure.  Can you let them go?  Sure.  

Judgment call.   Dribbling a basketball is a fundamental staple in how basketball players are allowed to move.  Refs can miss a travel, but they can't just let them bastardize the game.  I don't even know what you would compare it to in the NFL.  Probably a tackle leaving early, which they are allowing way too much these days.  

[cyclone24 1,912]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

I get the point but meh.  I would say holding is more like big men jockeying for position for a rebound or slight contact  on a shooter.  Can you call them?  Sure.  Can you let them go?  Sure.  

Judgment call.   Dribbling a basketball is a fundamental staple in how basketball players are allowed to move.  Refs can miss a travel, but they can't just let them bastardize the game.  I don't even know what you would compare it to in the NFL.  Probably a tackle leaving early, which they are allowing way too much these days.  

Yeah, I was just comparing it to another sport where there’s something you could literally make a call every single time down if you really wanted to. That’s all.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I get the point but meh.  I would say holding is more like big men jockeying for position for a rebound or slight contact  on a shooter.  Can you call them?  Sure.  Can you let them go?  Sure.  

Judgment call.   Dribbling a basketball is a fundamental staple in how basketball players are allowed to move.  Refs can miss a travel, but they can't just let them bastardize the game.  I don't even know what you would compare it to in the NFL.  Probably a tackle leaving early, which they are allowing way too much these days.  

echoing cyclone, I was also looking at it as something that can be called all game. Perhaps a better comparison is false start on the offensive line, as you mentioned. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

echoing cyclone, I was also looking at it as something that can be called all game. Perhaps a better comparison is false start on the offensive line, as you mentioned. 

Oh boy. Another nba doosh...

[listen2me 23 1,825]

10 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

echoing cyclone, I was also looking at it as something that can be called all game. Perhaps a better comparison is false start on the offensive line, as you mentioned. 

The tackles leaving early is ridiculous.  If a slot WR flinches its called all day.  But if a tackle takes almost a full step back before the ball is hiked it is okay.  I think they are trying to protect QBs even more.  And failing.  But not moving on offense before the ball has been a staple of football.   You can miss the false start but there is really no judgment.  

[listen2me 23 1,825]

I slowed the Giannis play down.  Its 3 steps.  You could maybe call him for traveling twice.  Hes palming the ball and running with it before he even decides to dribble it.  

[edjr 6,578]

24 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I slowed the Giannis play down.  Its 3 steps.  You could maybe call him for traveling twice.  Hes palming the ball and running with it before he even decides to dribble it.  

nailed it

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

32 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I slowed the Giannis play down.  Its 3 steps.  You could maybe call him for traveling twice.  Hes palming the ball and running with it before he even decides to dribble it.  

i dont disagree about the palming, but the fact you slowed it down to determine 3 steps was kind of my point. this is on the low end of traveling issues in the NBA and I feel like traveling happens a TON in the league where its not obvious and egregious, given the speed of the game, all the euro step moves, etc. there are so many plays that wind up being 2.5-3 steps if you really break it down in slow motion.

[seafoam1 2,799]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

i dont disagree about the palming, but the fact you slowed it down to determine 3 steps was kind of my point. this is on the low end of traveling issues in the NBA and I feel like traveling happens a TON in the league where its not obvious and egregious, given the speed of the game, all the euro step moves, etc. there are so many plays that wind up being 2.5-3 steps if you really break it down in slow motion.

ghey

[listen2me 23 1,825]

50 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

i dont disagree about the palming, but the fact you slowed it down to determine 3 steps was kind of my point. this is on the low end of traveling issues in the NBA and I feel like traveling happens a TON in the league where its not obvious and egregious, given the speed of the game, all the euro step moves, etc. there are so many plays that wind up being 2.5-3 steps if you really break it down in slow motion.

The way he moves I had to slow it down and look for these euro step gliding things.  When everyone on twitter is like 1 dribble, I thought it was obviously a travel, I thought maybe I was seeing an illusion and Id see it if I slowed it down. 

I don't really watch basketball anymore and never officiated a game.  Id assume the refs who see these guys 82 times a year plus some have a better idea of what they are seeing in normal speed.  Hell I was correct on first look at the video.  

Does it change the outcome of 2 pts scored?  No probably not.  So lets just forget the rules on most plays.  Just run with the ball.  Hey theyd of scored anyway!

If people think this is one dribble no travel and a dunk from half court then when would they see a travel?  6 steps?  3 means 1. 6 may mean 2 to these people.  So maybe 7 steps?

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

I’m just saying I think 3 steps or 2 plus the one you were taking AS you gathered the ball is common these days and has been for a while because of the speed of the game. Games were slower in the 80s, 90s. It was more obvious when Patrick Ewing would take 5 steps backing someone down. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

I’m just saying I think 3 steps or 2 plus the one you were taking AS you gathered the ball is common these days and has been for a while because of the speed of the game. Games were slower in the 80s, 90s. It was more obvious when Patrick Ewing would take 5 steps backing someone down. 

Jeez. What a dork. Focking loser. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

3 hours ago, cyclone24 said:

The same people that complain the traveling doesn’t get called throw fits on Sundays when holding calls get made every other play. 
If it doesn’t necessarily affect the play, they are going to let it go. A breakaway like that he could’ve taken 10 dribbles and still dunked it. 
not saying i 100% agree with it but I also don’t really want to see officials blowing the whistle every other play

 

3 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

I like this take. Holding happens on so many plays in the NFL, not just at the line of scrimmage but by DB's as well.... People complain enough as it is when they actually get called

There's only 1.65 offensive holding (0.56 defensive), penalties called per game.... "every other play"?  

[cyclone24 1,912]

27 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

There's only 1.65 offensive holding (0.56 defensive), penalties called per game.... "every other play"?  

Called. But the officials will tell you that it happens on pretty much every single play. Just like traveling happens on just about every possession. Thats all

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

31 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

There's only 1.65 offensive holding (0.56 defensive), penalties called per game.... "every other play"?  

Nah you missed his point and are being too literal. 
He wasn’t saying it’s actually called “every other play”.  He was saying that if traveling was called all the time, people would complain it was disrupting the flow of the game, similar to how NFL fans sometimes complain when the game they are watching has a lot of laundry thrown for ticky-tack holds. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

51 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Jeez. What a dork. Focking loser. 

I love how easy it was to put you on tilt just by pointing out the incredibly sad amount of posts you had last year  

instead of getting bent out of shape and following me around now, why not take up a new hobby and improve your life?

[seafoam1 2,799]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

I love how easy it was to put you on tilt just by pointing out the incredibly sad amount of posts you had last year  

instead of getting bent out of shape and following me around now, why not take up a new hobby and improve your life?

Who's on tilt? 

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

On 7/14/2023 at 9:53 AM, weepaws said:

Not the players, not the refs, it’s the league, show time = money.  It’s like other sports today, the product that’s being produced it’s far below the quality it once was.   

 

Players more worried about brand than winning lol