Gay black man murdered in New York

[seafoam1 2,855]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

If it was anyone other than a gay man, nothing to see here. 

Hypocrites 

1000s of straight people are killed every year. 

Focking liberals fault. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,107]

3 minutes ago, League Champion said:

If it was anyone other than a gay man, nothing to see here. 

Hypocrites 

They don’t care about this one either. See above. NBC won’t even report who the perp is. 

[Voltaire 5,268]

When a gay guy gets stabbed after instigating a fight with fleeing Muslims, it provides an excellent opportunity to criticize people who don't like drag queens twirling their dongs in the faces of four-year-olds.

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[HellToupee 1,646]

 

 

[Cdub100 3,867]

Kid - Hey man stop dancing LOL.

Gay black man - What did you say? Walks across the parking lot. Proceeds to assault the kid (Gets stabbed)

Tim - Why would Trump do this?

[squistion 2,031]

3 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

No cause it doesn’t exist. And gay black men are killed daily. Usually by other gay black men

Link?

[squistion 2,031]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

100%.  The liberals don't care about other people getting murdered. Only the ones that fit their agenda. Even if they have to lie and leave out important details.

If they did care about people getting murdered, the Chicago thread would have 1 million pages by now.

Fun Fact: 

It is not about people getting murdered. It is why they are getting murdered. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,285]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

Link?

Black men die daily in this country to other black men. Based on %s of homos amongst liberals it’s called very likely

[squistion 2,031]

14 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Black men die daily in this country to other black men. Based on %s of homos amongst liberals it’s called very likely

As I suspected, you have no proof for your claim that gay black men are killed usually by other gay black men.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,107]

6 minutes ago, squistion said:

As I suspected, you have no proof for your claim that gay black men are killed usually by other gay black men.

Who kills them then? The KKK? Q anon? Moms for Liberty? 

[Strike 5,316]

19 minutes ago, squistion said:

As I suspected, you have no proof for your claim that gay black men are killed usually by other gay black men.

Just as you and Tim have no proof that this incident had anything to do with the sexual orientation of the "victim."

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,285]

23 minutes ago, squistion said:

As I suspected, you have no proof for your claim that gay black men are killed usually by other gay black men.

Most gay crimes are from other gays. The lesbians for example have the highest per capita domestic violence 

[Drizzay 709]

How did the suspect even know the victim's sexual orientation?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,107]

12 minutes ago, Drizzay said:

How did the suspect even know the victim's sexual orientation?

They were Voguing 

[squistion 2,031]

39 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Who kills them then? The KKK? Q anon? Moms for Liberty? 

You no proof, no stats, no studies, nothing to back up this claim. 

[squistion 2,031]

23 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Most gay crimes are from other gays. The lesbians for example have the highest per capita domestic violence 

Link?

[squistion 2,031]

27 minutes ago, Strike said:

Just as you and Tim have no proof that this incident had anything to do with the sexual orientation of the "victim."

I was not referring to this specific incident. I was addressing the unproven claim that "gay black men are killed usually by other gay black men"

[Hardcore troubadour 15,107]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

You no proof, no stats, no studies, nothing to back up this claim. 

No media coverage of all these conservative straight white men that are killing them either. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,952]

53 minutes ago, squistion said:

You no proof, no stats, no studies, nothing to back up this claim. 

Hey you f****** jackass, why don't you ask Tim that same f****** question? Did you even read the f****** link? Do you even realize the important details they left out?

But no, you're going to rush in here and attack others.

You f****** douche.

[Engorgeous George 2,228]

14 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

A little science for you: 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-anti-lgbtq-rhetoric-fuels-violence/

We define science very differently.  Sociological literature reviews seeking a preconcieved outcome are not science in my estimation.  They may be of some value or interest, but they are not science.

[League Champion 1,896]

10 hours ago, squistion said:

I was not referring to this specific incident. I was addressing the unproven claim that "gay black men are killed usually by other gay black men"

Is that what we're worried about now? 

[supermike80 1,852]

Jesus Timmy is so influenced by the media.  You guys get it yet?  He is utterly incapable of thinking on his own. It's sad there are people so easily influenced but there we are 

[jerryskids 6,641]

13 hours ago, squistion said:

Link?

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Victimization and perpetration rates of violence in gay and lesbian relationships: gender issues explored

L K Waldner-Haugrud ¹, L V Gratch, B Magruder

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• PMID: 9403987

Abstract

This study explores gender differences in victimization and perpetration experiences of gays and lesbians in intimate relationships. A sample of 283 gays and lesbians reported on their experiences both as victims and perpetrators of gay/lesbian relationship violence by completing a modified version of the Conflict Tactics Scale (Straus, Gelles, & Steinmetz, 1980). General results indicate that 47.5% of lesbians and 29.7% of gays have been victimized by a same-sex partner. Further, lesbians reported an overall perpetration rate of 38% compared to 21.8% for gay men. Other findings were as follows: (1) lesbians were more likely to be classified as victims and perpetrators of violence than gay men; (2) lesbians were more likely to report pushing or being pushed than gay men; (3) lesbians reported experiencing a greater number of different victimization and perpetration tactics than gay men; and finally, (4) when items were weighted to create an indicator of severity, no significant differences between lesbians and gay men were found.

I don't know the statistics for hetero relationships, but 47.5% seems hella high. 29.7% as well  

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9403987/

[Voltaire 5,268]

14 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They were Voguing 

Urbandictionary says that voguing is a "strike a pose" type dance from the gay community that Madonna made famous in the video for "Vogue." Which means it looks something like this: 

 

[Voltaire 5,268]

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Sibley was playing music from Beyoncé’s “Renaissance” album and vogue dancing when he was approached by a group of men who told him to stop, witnesses said. They added that he tried to de-escalate the situation before he was stabbed in the torso. 

From the OP. 

Whoever gave this quote turned the facts on their head and lied completely. We have the video as proof. There's no way to know when this was written if this journalist knw the truth, but that's how it goes. The lie fits the narrative the MSM wants to promote, who cares what the truth is?

 Sibley sure as hell was the instigator, not in any way trying to de-escalate the situation. There was a guy there actually trying to de-escalate the situation... and video shows Sibley bulldoze through him to go after a guy backing away. the stabbing isn't on the video but presumably, the guy who stabbed him was the one backing away, in which case he meets the "duty to retreat" requirement in leftoid jurisdictions and this is self defense. Unfortunately for him, gay black men are near the Apex of the victim hierarchy, significantly higher than Muslims, so the MSM and leftoid justice system will go after him, like they did in this clearly untruthful article.

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

2 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Jesus Timmy is so influenced by the media.  You guys get it yet?  He is utterly incapable of thinking on his own. It's sad there are people so easily influenced but there we are 

Your statement is 100% correct. I am absolutely influenced by the news media. In other words, I am influenced by the facts as I learn them. 
 

Your refusal to be influenced by the news is pretty pathetic. 

[Voltaire 5,268]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your statement is 100% correct. I am absolutely influenced by the news media. In other words, I am influenced by the facts as I learn them. 
 

Your refusal to be influenced by the news is pretty pathetic. 

Halfway down page one, you can see video evidence of what happened that day. When you such evidence the news media lied to you, like here in your own thread, are you willing to call them out?

HellToupe posted this video on page one:

 

[squistion 2,031]

14 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No media coverage of all these conservative straight white men that are killing them either. 

No need to. Statistically, I think more whites are killed by other whites and one would assume that 90% of the white men who do so are straight.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,107]

Just now, squistion said:

No need to. Statistically, I think more whites are killed by other whites and one would assume that 90% of the white men who do so are straight.

We’re talking about who kills gay black men. You’re talking gibberish. 

[supermike80 1,852]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your statement is 100% correct. I am absolutely influenced by the news media. In other words, I am influenced by the facts as I learn them. 
 

Your refusal to be influenced by the news is pretty pathetic. 

That's so gross.  

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Halfway down page one, you can see video evidence of what happened that day. When you such evidence the news media lied to you, like here in your own thread, are you willing to call them out?

HellToupe posted this video on page one:

 

That video doesn’t contradict the story in anyway. It shows absolutely nothing. Sure the victim responded to being yelled at but they’re no evidence he did anything violent. And yet he was murdered. 

The guy arrested is being charged with murder AND committing a hate crime. That news is from the police, it wasn’t fabricated by the media. 

You want to accuse me of having a political agenda, and I certainly do but in this instance I’m simply repeating what we know actually happened. On the other hand, YOU have a political agenda, which in this case is that you don’t want to be confronted with the idea that anti-gay rhetoric is leading to violence against gay people. 

[Cdub100 3,867]

A dude dancing in his underwear at a gas station died... nothing was lost and the world is a better place.

[squistion 2,031]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We’re talking about who kills gay black men. You’re talking gibberish. 

Then why did you bring up conservative straight white men?

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

That's so gross.  

But reasonable. 
 

You on the other hand tend to be unreasonable. How do I know this? I know it because years ago you stated that you don’t believe ANY polls no matter what the circumstances. Anyone who has ever taken a statistics class knows how absurd your comment was. Ever since then I’ve frankly had trouble taking you seriously (though from time to time you do make good points, somewhat like a broken clock.) 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,107]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

Then why did you bring up conservative straight white men?

It’s called sarcasm. Do they have that where you live? 

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

3 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

A dude dancing in his underwear at a gas station died... nothing was lost and the world is a better place.

You think the world is better place because he is dead? 
 

Do you believe this to be true about all flamboyant gay men? Would you be happier if they all died? 

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s called sarcasm. Do they have that where you live? 

Sarcasm is fine in its place. In this forum however, it’s frequently used as an after the fact excuse to explain away racist and bigoted commentary. But of course, this is also Trump’s MO. 

[squistion 2,031]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s called sarcasm. Do they have that where you live? 

It wasn't obvious that it was sarcasm. 

[Voltaire 5,268]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

That video doesn’t contradict the story in anyway. It shows absolutely nothing. Sure the victim responded to being yelled at but they’re no evidence he did anything violent. And yet he was murdered. 

The guy arrested is being charged with murder AND committing a hate crime. That news is from the police, it wasn’t fabricated by the media. 

You want to accuse me of having a political agenda, and I certainly do but in this instance I’m simply repeating what we know actually happened. On the other hand, YOU have a political agenda, which in this case is that you don’t want to be confronted with the idea that anti-gay rhetoric is leading to violence against gay people. 

You watched the video and still don't believe it contradicts anything?  :sadbanana:

That's disappointing. Believe your eyes, man.

We don't have audio, whatever words were exchanged clearly set the guy off. but the conflict instigator is clear as day, even if the actual stabbing itself is missing.