Ekeler vs Bijan

[jrokh 569]

12 Team Half ppr. Who would you choose. I had Ekeler easy for a while but he's 28 and I can't seem to get past this clip.

 

Bijan is just special...

Who would you choose? 

[LaChup 154]

You should check out Ekeler's 72 yard TD run.

[jrokh 569]

3 minutes ago, LaChup said:

You should check out Ekeler's 72 yard TD run.

You mean Joshua Kelly’s 75 yard TD run? What about it?

[Grack 3]

Ekeler is in a belter offense.  I'd lean that way myself. Bijan is a beast though, hope his rookie season is a success. 

[rallo 132]

Ekeler all day unless it is keeper league. Early 1st RBs are a volatile position anyway... it's hard to justify spending it on a rookie RB on a sh1tty offense/franchise. 

[GobbleDog 816]

Experts I respect consider Bijan a "generational talent", but nobody knows if he'll get the required carries, receptions and Tds to justify a top 3 Rb pick. Falcons coach has typically used a rotation, but even if Bijan gets most work early in the season - will coach continue overworking his prized new Rb if/when the Falcons fall from playoff contention?  He's recently talked about 'sticking with the hot hand' with respect to Allgeier's playing time, sorta implying Bijan might not get the workload everyone expects this year.

So I prefer Ekeler. Chargers did replace their old OC who was a dink/dunk specialist resulting in Ek's 107 receptions. He's always been a great receiver, but I'd expect fewer receptions.  He's also 28 with lots of millage, though he hasn't missed a game in two years.

Then there's McCaff who burned everyone twice already as the top pick.

Seems all the early Rbs have some warts this year.

[polecatt 403]

I thought he was gonna break that for a TD but just a 15 yard gain or so

For redraft I would definitely take Ekeler, any sort of keeper or dynasty league, definitely Bijan.

You pretty much know what you're gonna get with Ekeler this season. Bijan will probably be a steady RB1 but he could struggle a bit, he is a rookie afterall on a less than stellar offense.

This is quite possibly Ekeler's last season as a RB1 though, and if it's not, he's only got one more.

Whereas if Bijan pans out like he's supposed to, he'll be an RB1 for a good 3-5 years to come

[Ray_T 591]

1 hour ago, polecatt said:

I thought he was gonna break that for a TD but just a 15 yard gain or so

For redraft I would definitely take Ekeler, any sort of keeper or dynasty league, definitely Bijan.

fully agree.

that said, Bijan is running behind a very good O line.  possibly a top 5 line.  

that dude is setup for success.   and if the QB play remains bad, it could mean they just run it more.

[IGotWorms 3,315]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

fully agree.

that said, Bijan is running behind a very good O line.  possibly a top 5 line.  

that dude is setup for success.   and if the QB play remains bad, it could mean they just run it more.

Hard to run when you’re down 30 points.

But yeah, I think Bijan has a good setup. I’m high on him 

[jrokh 569]

Interesting that @The Football Guru has Bijan one spot ahead of Ekeler on his half-ppr Big Board, and has Nick Chubb ahead of both...

[LoOnAtIk 75]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Hard to run when you’re down 30 points.

But yeah, I think Bijan has a good setup. I’m high on him 

The Saquon-deniers were saying the same thing his rookie season.

Either they run him a ton or expect a bunch of 3rd down dump offs and receptions. 

Either way, his floor is extremely high.

[Ray_T 591]

48 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Hard to run when you’re down 30 points.

But yeah, I think Bijan has a good setup. I’m high on him 

well, with a conservative offense that runs the ball heavily, we are looking at lower scoring games due to the extra time that gets killed when running the ball.

It looks and sounds like this will be a run heavy offense.  possibly in the mould of what they run in Tennessee.

I could see them going this way and running a lot of RPO's. 

If they can consistently get 3 or 4 first downs in a run heavy scheme on every possession they shouldnt be down 30 points ever just simply by means of the amount of time that would tick off the clock while they have possession.

granted that's a big if, but given the way the offense is put together, I'm thinking pounding it on the ground may be the best option for this offense.

 

[polecatt 403]

4 hours ago, Ray_T said:

fully agree.

that said, Bijan is running behind a very good O line.  possibly a top 5 line.  

that dude is setup for success.   and if the QB play remains bad, it could mean they just run it more.

Allegier had a strong season last year and he's not gone anywhere.

Cordarelle Patterson, he's still around. I don't think he's gonna do a whole lot, but he could certainly vulture some TDs.

Maybe Bijan jumps out of the gate and blows the NFL away, but it's just as likely he's a bit slow out of the gate and doesn't get a full grip on the touches for a few weeks too.

In any case, if their QB struggles, the RB is only gonna be so productive. The days of an Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, or even Adrian Peterson carrying an offense are over.

[LaChup 154]

On 8/26/2023 at 8:06 AM, jrokh said:

You mean Joshua Kelly’s 75 yard TD run? What about it?

I would definitely draft Josh Kelly in the first if I were you.

[Ray_T 591]

2 hours ago, polecatt said:

Allegier had a strong season last year and he's not gone anywhere

this would be a reason not to overpay for him.  Not a reason to avoid him.

Allgier was not really considered to be a starting Calibre RB but he was running behind a fantastic run blocking unit.   That said, you still need to give him credit for not messing it up.

but regardless of the good performance, when a team spends this kind of draft capital on a RB they have effectively told Allgier to 'Take a seat'

I'm sure the split will be pretty close to 50-50 in the first game or two but after that it will be the Bijan show.   Benching him for Allgier would be like admitting you made a mistake.   No team will do that unless the guy they drafted with a first round pick forces them to sit him with terrible play.

 

[joneo 529]

8 hours ago, Ray_T said:

fully agree.

that said, Bijan is running behind a very good O line.  possibly a top 5 line.  

that dude is setup for success.   and if the QB play remains bad, it could mean they just run it more.

I think Atlanta will be behind in the 2nd half of most games and need to throw. Probably taking carries away from Robinson. 

[the spanker 28]

22 hours ago, joneo said:

I think Atlanta will be behind in the 2nd half of most games and need to throw. Probably taking carries away from Robinson. 

Take away carries? 

Good...which means he is utilized even more in the passing game which is awesome news in ppr leagues.

[Phil Simms 11 127]

Took Bijan at 7, definitely would have went Ekeler if given a choice but Bijan at 7 ain’t bad

[Stryker Ryker 176]

7 hours ago, Phil Simms 11 said:

Took Bijan at 7, definitely would have went Ekeler if given a choice but Bijan at 7 ain’t bad

Took Chubb at 7 and Bijan on the way back in the 2nd. Surprised he fell to me that low in a 12 man 

[LaChup 154]

On 8/26/2023 at 8:06 AM, jrokh said:

You mean Joshua Kelly’s 75 yard TD run? What about it?

No. I meant what I said. Watch Ekeler's 72 yard run and tell me which one you like more.

[jrokh 569]

13 minutes ago, LaChup said:

No. I meant what I said. Watch Ekeler's 72 yard run and tell me which one you like more.

Ekeler didn’t play this preseason. Try and keep up…

[IGotWorms 3,315]

45 minutes ago, jrokh said:

Ekeler didn’t play this preseason. Try and keep up…

 

 

[GobbleDog 816]

7 hours ago, Stryker Ryker said:

Took Chubb at 7 and Bijan on the way back in the 2nd. Surprised he fell to me that low in a 12 man 

God bless you for having the guts to ignore "ratings" and take Chubb first. He's #1 in my Rb ranking. If healthy, could be near 400+ touches with more receptions than history suggests now that Hunt is out. Bijon in the 2nd rd is shocking in a 12-man league.

Assuming you didn't screw up the rest of that draft, you did well sir.

[LaChup 154]

3 hours ago, jrokh said:

Ekeler didn’t play this preseason. Try and keep up…

I didn't say he did. But I did see a 72 yard touchdown run that was better than Bijan's 15 yarder. Don't be so sensitive.

[jrokh 569]

9 hours ago, LaChup said:

I didn't say he did. But I did see a 72 yard touchdown run that was better than Bijan's 15 yarder. Don't be so sensitive.

You are a little out of your depth here. Best you stick with bad puns and worse jokes...

[Ray_T 591]

11 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

God bless you for having the guts to ignore "ratings" and take Chubb first. He's #1 in my Rb ranking. If healthy, could be near 400+ touches with more receptions than history suggests now that Hunt is out. Bijon in the 2nd rd is shocking in a 12-man league.

Assuming you didn't screw up the rest of that draft, you did well sir.

doesnt matter how he did it, but if you end up with both Chubb and Bijan you've aced the RB position.

I question the intelligence of the guys he was drafting with, but he did well.

[Stryker Ryker 176]

13 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

God bless you for having the guts to ignore "ratings" and take Chubb first. He's #1 in my Rb ranking. If healthy, could be near 400+ touches with more receptions than history suggests now that Hunt is out. Bijon in the 2nd rd is shocking in a 12-man league.

Assuming you didn't screw up the rest of that draft, you did well sir.

I had the option for Kupp at 7 in my 12 man. Chose Chubb instead cause Kupps injury worries me. I KNOW Chubb is going to be a stud and get even more touches this year since Hunt is gone. Bijan fell to me in the 2nd so I took him. Was gonna get a WR in the 3rd but Aaron Jones fell to me in the 3rd. Took Mark Andrews in the 4th so I have a stud at TE. Literally have 4 studs on my team with my WRs being mid but they’ll get me double digits in PPR. I got DJ Moore and Brandon Aiyuk as my 2 main WRs. Not the greatest but Moore has the upside to be a WR1 and I like Aiyuk better this year than Deebo. Especially in PPR 

[Stryker Ryker 176]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

doesnt matter how he did it, but if you end up with both Chubb and Bijan you've aced the RB position.

I question the intelligence of the guys he was drafting with, but he did well.

They all were going Zero RB or Hero RB with only 1 RB. There was a TON of RBs available so I HAD to pull the trigger. Ended up with Chubb, then Bijan, AJones, and finally Mark Andrews in 4th. Everyone’s receivers are better than mine but I got a stud TE without having to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick, got 3 stud RB1s, 2 receivers with high upside potential, and Deshaun at QB cause I fully believe he’s gonna be a top QB this year with Cooper, Elijah, Njoku, and Chubb as options. While everyone else has only 2 studs I’m rolling with 4 of them  

[Ray_T 591]

5 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

They all were going Zero RB or Hero RB with only 1 RB

I have found the zero RB strategy really only works reliably if you are the only one doing it.    if multiple people do zero RB one or two people inevitably gets screwed and ends up with backups as their starting RB.   whether you get screwed largely depends on where you are when that final run on RB's happens

[Stryker Ryker 176]

4 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

I have found the zero RB strategy really only works reliably if you are the only one doing it.    if multiple people do zero RB one or two people inevitably gets screwed and ends up with backups as their starting RB.   whether you get screwed largely depends on where you are when that final run on RB's happens

That’s my line of thinking. If I can’t get JJ, Hill, Chase, or Kupp (personal preference cause Kupps injury worries me) then it’s wiser to go RB. Planned on grabbing a WR in 2nd or 3rd but the RBs just kept falling to me. There was plenty of WR talent in the mid rounds so I snagged a stud TE so I don’t have to worry about that position like I did last year with Pitts as my 3rd round pick My receivers are good enough to get me double digits in PPR each week with the potential to be WR1s in some weeks. I never go in with a “set” strategy. Everyone was using the same strategy so I went different. If you wanna win the championship you gotta take risks. And my risk of not taking a single WR in the 1st 4 rounds hopefully pays off

[Ray_T 591]

9 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

That’s my line of thinking. If I can’t get JJ, Hill, Chase, or Kupp (personal preference cause Kupps injury worries me) then it’s wiser to go RB. Planned on grabbing a WR in 2nd or 3rd but the RBs just kept falling to me. There was plenty of WR talent in the mid rounds so I snagged a stud TE so I don’t have to worry about that position like I did last year with Pitts as my 3rd round pick My receivers are good enough to get me double digits in PPR each week with the potential to be WR1s in some weeks. I never go in with a “set” strategy. Everyone was using the same strategy so I went different. If you wanna win the championship you gotta take risks. And my risk of not taking a single WR in the 1st 4 rounds hopefully pays off

in the July Mock I ran with this exact strategy.   go take a look at my team. 

I never took a WR until round 5 and it turned out just fine.

[Stryker Ryker 176]

4 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

in the July Mock I ran with this exact strategy.   go take a look at my team. 

I never took a WR until round 5 and it turned out just fine.

There’s excellent value in round 4-7 for WRs. Way better value than RBs in my opinion. After Aaron Jones there’s a drop off of quality in RBs 

[Ray_T 591]

2 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

There’s excellent value in round 4-7 for WRs. Way better value than RBs in my opinion. After Aaron Jones there’s a drop off of quality in RBs 

yeah.    its funny I never planned to do the draft in this way but when all the WR were going early I decided to go RB instead and got 3 very good RB.

then I went back to WR and was amazed at how much talent there still was in the WR pool.

to that end I have concluded there are actually too many good WR.

If I could get a top WR (or a game breaker if you will) I'd draft one early.   if not, I'd go RB-RB and then go back to WR or QB or possibly TE.   I have found a lot of times when everyone tries one strategy, there is an advantage in going with a different strategy than everyone else.

for example if drafting at 7 and 4 of the first 6 picks are WR,   I'd likely go RB.   but if 4 of 6 are RB I'd flip it and go WR.

I have had success with this sort of thing in the past.

[GobbleDog 816]

43 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

I have found the zero RB strategy really only works reliably if you are the only one doing it.    if multiple people do zero RB one or two people inevitably gets screwed

I've never looked at the other teams when I mock zero-Rb. Next time I will. You may be right. I practice zero Rb mocks from the late position, so I'm prepared in case the early Rbs I want are gone. I'm now confident I can do it.  Example from today...

4) Pierce 5) Sanders 6) Pacheco 9) Harris 10) Bigsby 11) Charbonette 12) R Johnson

3 decent starters, 1 bye week filler, and 3 lotto tickets. No problem fielding two messily Rb spots, while my gangsta Wrs and elite Qb take care of business.

[Stryker Ryker 176]

41 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

yeah.    its funny I never planned to do the draft in this way but when all the WR were going early I decided to go RB instead and got 3 very good RB.

then I went back to WR and was amazed at how much talent there still was in the WR pool.

to that end I have concluded there are actually too many good WR.

If I could get a top WR (or a game breaker if you will) I'd draft one early.   if not, I'd go RB-RB and then go back to WR or QB or possibly TE.   I have found a lot of times when everyone tries one strategy, there is an advantage in going with a different strategy than everyone else.

for example if drafting at 7 and 4 of the first 6 picks are WR,   I'd likely go RB.   but if 4 of 6 are RB I'd flip it and go WR.

I have had success with this sort of thing in the past.

I’m telling you, this is the year to go back old school drafting. Everyone is going receivers, Kelce, or Mahomes/Allen/Burrow in the first 3-4 rounds. They’ll take 1 RB but that leaves a few studs you snag like I did. I’ve found that if majority is doing the same strategy then it’s smart to pivot and go the complete opposite. One guy went WR in the first 3 rounds. My polar opposite lol

[Stryker Ryker 176]

35 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I've never looked at the other teams when I mock zero-Rb. Next time I will. You may be right. I practice zero Rb mocks from the late position, so I'm prepared in case the early Rbs I want are gone. I'm now confident I can do it.  Example from today...

4) Pierce 5) Sanders 6) Pacheco 9) Harris 10) Bigsby 11) Charbonette 12) R Johnson

3 decent starters, 1 bye week filler, and 3 lotto tickets. No problem fielding two messily Rb spots, while my gangsta Wrs and elite Qb take care of business.

Bigsby is my #4 RB. Ettiene was atrocious at the goal line. I expect Bigsby to get 8 TDs this year if not more while adding yardage and hopefully taking over eventually 

[Ray_T 591]

1 minute ago, Stryker Ryker said:

I’m telling you, this is the year to go back old school drafting. Everyone is going receivers, Kelce, or Mahomes/Allen/Burrow in the first 3-4 rounds. They’ll take 1 RB but that leaves a few studs you snag like I did. I’ve found that if majority is doing the same strategy then it’s smart to pivot and go the complete opposite. One guy went WR in the first 3 rounds. My polar opposite lol

and that guy probably ended up with some piss poor RB's.   but going RB-RB I bet you still ended up with solid WR because the WR depth is still good later in the draft

[Stryker Ryker 176]

35 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

and that guy probably ended up with some piss poor RB's.   but going RB-RB I bet you still ended up with solid WR because the WR depth is still good later in the draft

His RBs are Rachaad white and cam Akers. Had to go check the board real quick lol And yea I did. I got DJ Moore and Branon Aiyuk. They’ll get me double digits in PPR with WR1 upside potential which is what I need from them. 

[LaChup 154]

11 hours ago, jrokh said:

You are a little out of your depth here. Best you stick with bad puns and worse jokes...

I don't know what's worse, my jokes or your avi. I hope that isn't you. 

[SexyRexy 60]

I would go ekeler over bijan every time simply bc of the cost and knowing what you’re getting. Ekeler is coming off rb1 overall season. You’re getting an rb1.