At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam

[GutterBoy 2,899]

So naturally I did what any intellectually curious person does, and I just spent 5 mins researching by Baltimore schools are so bad.  Here is what I came up with..

It's complicated and a combination of the following

- Funding - It's not the amount of funding, it's where it's going.  Schools need more capital spending and less administration and corruption.

- Behavior problems are an issue, this is something that we can take to the parents to hold their kids more accountable.

- Covid - Covid decimated these kids and they're still struggling to get caught up.  Kids missed so much, and absenteeism is still very high.

- ESL students rising, taking away teaching resources.

[Cdub100 3,886]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

In order to fix this problem, we might have to hurt some feelings.  We may have to admit that the problem, even though it might feed a "trope", is centered on the people and their behaviors.   There are some hard truths to be discussed, frankly and completely...and yes the community will have to accept some level of culpability....

Once we can discuss the problem frankly, change and improvement is possible.

This will never happen.

[Engorgeous George 2,283]

Incentivize the male students by having a lottery for the grads for a date with Congresswoman Boebert to a musical, but this time in a private box so there are no surrounding patrons trying to throw a wet blanket on things. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

@RLLD Can you explain what the "real problem" is that people are scared to talk about because they don't want to be called racist?

[Cdub100 3,886]

2 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

Easy fix - lower the standards so they all pass.   America!! 

You joke but this really is the only way.

[Baker Boy 1,694]

4 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

 

Because I moved to a nice community and pay taxes to my local school. I don't want inner-city Rif raft making my kid's school worse.

Inner-city riffraff have no desire to go to the school in your area. They have no desire to go to school anywhere. What we are doing is leaving the kids that want to learn behind.

[Cdub100 3,886]

4 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Inner-city riffraff have no desire to go to the school in your area. They have no desire to go to school anywhere. What we are doing is leaving the kids that want to learn behind.

They will go to the school their parents send them to. Idiot parents think a school is good because they have better teachers, more money etc... so they send their delinquent to the "better school" because obviously it's better. Schools are good because the community around that school cares. The parents are involved with their children's education. 

What school of choice really does is hurt the "good schools" with bad students. My wife is a teacher and it only takes one bad kid to ruin a classroom. Sorry not sorry I live where I live and pay what I pay to get away from the same delinquents I had to go to school with.

If you're in a bad school like I was, take AP classes like I did. You don't have the same riffraff in class and won't get left behind.

[BuckSwope 654]

12 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So naturally I did what any intellectually curious person does, and I just spent 5 mins researching by Baltimore schools are so bad.  Here is what I came up with..

It's complicated and a combination of the following

- Funding - It's not the amount of funding, it's where it's going.  Schools need more capital spending and less administration and corruption.

- Behavior problems are an issue, this is something that we can take to the parents to hold their kids more accountable.

- Covid - Covid decimated these kids and they're still struggling to get caught up.  Kids missed so much, and absenteeism is still very high.

- ESL students rising, taking away teaching resources.

A huge fundamental change that was made across the board was the switch away from phonics to learn how to read.  It's been shown that it's a good way to learn to read, especially for kids who don't have books at home or parents that are setting that example.   It's no wonder poorer communities start to struggle when they fall behind from the start with reading.   

That seems to be a simple, cheap great first step to implement.  

[RLLD 4,194]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

@RLLD Can you explain what the "real problem" is that people are scared to talk about because they don't want to be called racist?

The family unit within the AA community is unhealthy.   Prior to the mid-1960's AA families were progressing well, but issues arose that then impeded that progress. Faminists were attacking the "nucvlear family" and important changes were then in flight

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Over the next 15 years, the black family question actually became a growth industry inside academe, the foundations and the government. Scholars invented a fantasy family whose function was not to reflect truth, but to soothe injured black self-esteem and to bolster the emerging feminist critique of male privilege, bourgeois individualism and the nuclear family. In fact, some scholars continued, maybe the nuclear family was just a toxic white hang-up, anyway. No one asked what nuclear families did or how they prepared children for a modern economy. The important point was simply that they were not black.

No one understood the imporance of a two-parent home, and the idea of that was now being considered "racist".   So the Civil Rights Act of 1964 paid mothers so long as a father was not present in the home, creating incentive. Later, rather than call out this situation as being less than suitable, it became en vogue to champion single mothers....nothing wrong with that except that it exacerbated the problem.

So we have to accept that the AA family unit has been significantly harmed by liberal policies over the decades; not even noting the "crime bill" etc.....

The damage is done.  We have to stop pretending that the AA culture has not been ruined to a large extent, and the things held up as good are out of alignment with actual good.  Fix the families.....incentivise two-parent homes, take some of that education money and create programs for parents in low income areas.

But this is all racist....because it operates under the premise that the problem lies within the people and their culture, and NOT the system.   And until that narrative is let go, we see these people continuing to suffer. 

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The family unit within the AA community is unhealthy.   Prior to the mid-1960's AA families were progressing well, but issues arose that then impeded that progress. Faminists were attacking the "nucvlear family" and important changes were then in flight

No one understood the imporance of a two-parent home, and the idea of that was now being considered "racist".   So the Civil Rights Act of 1964 paid mothers so long as a father was not present in the home, creating incentive. Later, rather than call out this situation as being less than suitable, it became en vogue to champion single mothers....nothing wrong with that except that it exacerbated the problem.

So we have to accept that the AA family unit has been significantly harmed by liberal policies over the decades; not even noting the "crime bill" etc.....

The damage is done.  We have to stop pretending that the AA culture has not been ruined to a large extent, and the things held up as good are out of alignment with actual good.  Fix the families.....incentivise two-parent homes, take some of that education money and create programs for parents in low income areas.

But this is all racist....because it operates under the premise that the problem lies within the people and their culture, and NOT the system.   And until that narrative is let go, we see these people continuing to suffer. 

 

 

Thanks for answering.

[RLLD 4,194]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

 

Thanks for answering.

You are very welcome. Maybe, just maybe, there is hope that the failed ideas are stopped....and we stop harming people.  But until we end the "that's racist" bullsh!t....I doubt we see any progress.

[iam90sbaby 2,577]

Without reading let me guess:

All the righties are blaming democratic policies even though we all know what the truth actually is. 

This is a common theme amongst cities with a high minority population and it doesn't matter what the policies are.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, RLLD said:

You are very welcome. Maybe, just maybe, there is hope that the failed ideas are stopped....and we stop harming people.  But until we end the "that's racist" bullsh!t....I doubt we see any progress.

So we just have to stop telling black mothers that it's OK to be a single mom, and stop paying them to be single, and then the black fathers will return to the home and start parenting their kids.  Sounds like a plan.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, iam90sbaby said:

Without reading let me guess:

 

All the righties are blaming democratic policies even though we all know what the truth actually is. 

Yeah it seems like we have 3 groups.

Group A: It's the liberals and their policies that have misled the blacks. (RLLD, others)

Group B: Blacks are just dumb, lazy and provide no value to society. (you, Cdumb, others)

Group C is the rest of us.

[Baker Boy 1,694]

11 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

They will go to the school their parents send them to. Idiot parents think a school is good because they have better teachers, more money etc... so they send their delinquent to the "better school" because obviously it's better. Schools are good because the community around that school cares. The parents are involved with their children's education. 

What school of choice really does is hurt the "good schools" with bad students. My wife is a teacher and it only takes one bad kid to ruin a classroom. Sorry not sorry I live where I live and pay what I pay to get away from the same delinquents I had to go to school with.

If you're in a bad school like I was, take AP classes like I did. You don't have the same riffraff in class and won't get left behind.

Are these the same parents that don’t care about their kids? School choice is about getting kids out of your "great" public schools and into a school that educates your child the way you want them to be educated. This is what wealthy people do why can’t everyone have that option? I think your biggest obstacle would be keeping the good students in your great public school. 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

The teachers union is the number one problem with education in this country. If we don’t fix that, nothing else will matter.

[RLLD 4,194]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So we just have to stop telling black mothers that it's OK to be a single mom, and stop paying them to be single, and then the black fathers will return to the home and start parenting their kids.  Sounds like a plan.

No, that is far too simple a solution to fix a problem this big and deep. And it wont get better over night. If you sit back and think about it a bit more perhaps the opportunity will be more clear. Or....as i said....let it ride, keep doing the same things.... and best of luck to those being harmed.....

[MDC 7,284]

5 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

The teachers union is the number one problem with education in this country. If we don’t fix that, nothing else will matter.

Laughable bull sh1t. 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

No, that is far too simple a solution to fix a problem this big and deep. And it wont get better over night. If you sit back and think about it a bit more perhaps the opportunity will be more clear. Or....as i said....let it ride, keep doing the same things.... and best of luck to those being harmed.....

Of course it is not the solution, no one thing can solve this problem. But it is a building block to start with, number two would be abolishing the federal Department of Education.

[Baker Boy 1,694]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Laughable bull sh1t. 

Don’t be afraid to see what you see.

[MDC 7,284]

8 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Don’t be afraid to see what you see.

Just utter nonsense and probably the dumbest thing said here all day, congrats!  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Speaking hard truths is not racist, even if it might offend or hurt feelings, so no....not racist to be honest.

Okay, so you are just flat-out racist. I mean I was trying to define an out and lead you there, but you don’t want to take it, because the idea of inherent racial superiority is so near and dear to you  

[Baker Boy 1,694]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Just utter nonsense and probably the dumbest thing said here all day, congrats!  

So you really don’t understand how our education system works. Look into it and don’t be afraid to see what you see.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

34 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The family unit within the AA community is unhealthy.   Prior to the mid-1960's AA families were progressing well, but issues arose that then impeded that progress. Faminists were attacking the "nucvlear family" and important changes were then in flight

No one understood the imporance of a two-parent home, and the idea of that was now being considered "racist".   So the Civil Rights Act of 1964 paid mothers so long as a father was not present in the home, creating incentive. Later, rather than call out this situation as being less than suitable, it became en vogue to champion single mothers....nothing wrong with that except that it exacerbated the problem.

So we have to accept that the AA family unit has been significantly harmed by liberal policies over the decades; not even noting the "crime bill" etc.....

The damage is done.  We have to stop pretending that the AA culture has not been ruined to a large extent, and the things held up as good are out of alignment with actual good.  Fix the families.....incentivise two-parent homes, take some of that education money and create programs for parents in low income areas.

But this is all racist....because it operates under the premise that the problem lies within the people and their culture, and NOT the system.   And until that narrative is let go, we see these people continuing to suffer. 

 

It’s racist because you are focusing on RACE.

Get it?

You could say the exact same thing but remove all reference to race. It would still be just as legitimate but you can’t do it. Why? Because your identity is wrapped up in the concept of being part of the superior race.

Frankly, it’s sad

[IGotWorms 4,057]

24 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Without reading let me guess:

All the righties are blaming democratic policies even though we all know what the truth actually is. 

This is a common theme amongst cities with a high minority population and it doesn't matter what the policies are.

Here’s another guy that’s at least honest about his racism.

I think you’re a vile, disgusting person but I still prefer you to the “I’m not racist” racists

[Cdub100 3,886]

13 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Are these the same parents that don’t care about their kids? School choice is about getting kids out of your "great" public schools and into a school that educates your child the way you want them to be educated. This is what wealthy people do why can’t everyone have that option? I think your biggest obstacle would be keeping the good students in your great public school. 

While I agree with you that it does help move kids into private school. I still think the biggest problem is bad kids getting moved into good schools. 

BTW Because I see your argument I do think it's BS a parent still has to pay public schools tax when they send their kids to private school. I guess my issue is school of choice. People shouldn't be allowed to move to other public schools if they don't live in that district.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

23 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Yeah it seems like we have 3 groups.

Group A: It's the liberals and their policies that have misled the blacks. (RLLD, others)

Group B: Blacks are just dumb, lazy and provide no value to society. (you, Cdumb, others)

Group C is the rest of us.

There is no meaningful distinction between Group A and Group B. The Group A folks are just too cowardly to say what they really think.

Now there *could* be a distinction, if they truly weren’t focused on the concept of racial superiority. But if you scratch the surface even a tiny little bit, it becomes apparent that the idea of racial supremacy is so dearly held by them that they could not escape it even if they wanted to.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

There is no meaningful distinction between Group A and Group B. The Group A folks are just too cowardly to say what they really think.

Now there *could* be a distinction, if they truly weren’t focused on the concept of racial superiority. But if you scratch the surface even a tiny little bit, it becomes apparent that the idea of racial supremacy is so dearly held by them that they could not escape it even if they wanted to.

He starts of with "AA families were progressing well"

 

[supermike80 1,882]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

So naturally I did what any intellectually curious person does, and I just spent 5 mins researching by Baltimore schools are so bad.  Here is what I came up with..

It's complicated and a combination of the following

- Funding - It's not the amount of funding, it's where it's going.  Schools need more capital spending and less administration and corruption.

- Behavior problems are an issue, this is something that we can take to the parents to hold their kids more accountable.

- Covid - Covid decimated these kids and they're still struggling to get caught up.  Kids missed so much, and absenteeism is still very high.

- ESL students rising, taking away teaching resources.

This is dumb.  Like super dumb.  The kids already are being poorly parented, but now we are going to say  "Hey parents try harder" and all of a sudden it will be fixed.

Nope./   That ain't happening

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

He starts of with "AA families were progressing well"

 

Well of course he liked “separate but equal”

But he’s not a racist because he’s not for outright slavery

(Yet, anyways)

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

This is dumb.  Like super dumb.  The kids already are being poorly parented, but now we are going to say  "Hey parents try harder" and all of a sudden it will be fixed.

Nope./   That ain't happening

Well, I didn't say that would work, those are your words, but parental involvement is a key to success of the child.  How that happens is up for debate, but I agree you cant just say "Try harder" and everything is suddenly fixed/

[Baker Boy 1,694]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

There is no meaningful distinction between Group A and Group B. The Group A folks are just too cowardly to say what they really think.

Now there *could* be a distinction, if they truly weren’t focused on the concept of racial superiority. But if you scratch the surface even a tiny little bit, it becomes apparent that the idea of racial supremacy is so dearly held by them that they could not escape it even if they wanted to.

And this reply is the liberal way, building on a false narrative.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Well of course he liked “separate but equal”

But he’s not a racist because he’s not for outright slavery

(Yet, anyways)

Clearly we're racist because we view his words as racist.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

6 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

This is dumb.  Like super dumb.  The kids already are being poorly parented, but now we are going to say  "Hey parents try harder" and all of a sudden it will be fixed.

Nope./   That ain't happening

I think a public education campaign geared toward middle and lower class families could be helpful. TV commercials, social media ads, etc, trying to encourage parents to be involved and showing them the right way, while also convincing kids that education is the pathway to success.

Obviously it sounds pretty simplistic when I’m typing it out but with smart people who are highly skilled at these kinds of things, I think we could maybe hope to see an impact over time.

Families with means, they’re not necessarily “better” but they do have more resources at their disposal.

[supermike80 1,882]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Well, I didn't say that would work, those are your words, but parental involvement is a key to success of the child.  How that happens is up for debate, but I agree you cant just say "Try harder" and everything is suddenly fixed/

So when you said..take to the parents to make them more responsible, you were just talking fantasy then.   Ok got it.

[Strike 5,414]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Families with means, they’re not necessarily “better” but they do have more resources at their disposal.

Of course they're better testicle brain.  The one thing successful people know is how they became successful.  In most cases, those "resources" you speak of didn't appear out of thin air.  It's not a coincidence that the children of people who work their way out of the ghetto tend to study and end up much better off than previous generations from their families.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Of course they're better testicle brain.  The one thing successful people know is how they became successful.  In most cases, those "resources" you speak of didn't appear out of thin air.  It's not a coincidence that the children of people who work their way out of the ghetto tend to study and end up much better off than previous generations from their families.

Sure there’s truth to what you say. But I’ve known plenty of upper middle class or wealthier families who were trashy as fock and didn’t give a sh1t about their kids

[GutterBoy 2,899]

10 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I think a public education campaign geared toward middle and lower class families could be helpful. TV commercials, social media ads, etc, trying to encourage parents to be involved and showing them the right way, while also convincing kids that education is the pathway to success.

Obviously it sounds pretty simplistic when I’m typing it out but with smart people who are highly skilled at these kinds of things, I think we could maybe hope to see an impact over time.

Families with means, they’re not necessarily “better” but they do have more resources at their disposal.

The main problem I see is families with only one parent home, or two parents and they both work, they don't have the time to get very involved, and it's hard.

I live in a rich area, and we have lots of stay at home moms that get involved in the schools and run all kinds of awesome programs and coordinate stuff, it's one of the reasons our schools are so good.

[TBayXXXVII 2,521]

1 hour ago, Cdub100 said:

Conservatives - it's liberal policies

Liberals - it's systemic racism

Both are wrong.

Both are actually right.  It is systemic racism caused by liberal policies.

[Baker Boy 1,694]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Sure there’s truth to what you say. But I’ve known plenty of upper middle class or wealthier families who were trashy as fock and didn’t give a sh1t about their kids

We live in different worlds, I don’t know anybody that doesn’t care about their kids. In fact, they are the most important thing in their life.