At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam

[Hardcore troubadour 14,937]

16 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

So when you posted that it was "by and large a race thing", you weren't being serious?  

Basically every single big city is D run, correct?   Why is it when a city like Balt has issues like this, it's a Democrat policy issue?  So the other cities run by Dems not having similar issues it's what exactly?  Just curious - are liberal havens like Oregon struggling with math or do you just pick and choose when you blame Dems? 

Jacksonville is an example of a R run city in a R run state - no issues with math there in minority communities?   I know they have similar or worse crime numbers than those evil Democratic cities, but I'm sure they are crushing it in education.  

 

 

This guy brings up Oregon. The place where they are considering going to, and they will, “equitable grading” because their grades are shitt. And of course, racist. Read the news once in a while Mao. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

8 hours ago, RLLD said:

But completely fixable.   We cannot fix them in school, that is not the move, it has to be at home.  We fix that and the rest falls neatly into place. 

What we need to do is remove most, if not all, liberal teachers and administrators from schools. That's the only way.  They are directly responsible for this - and it's not just Baltimore.

Too many are pushing agendas and political views over actual education.  it's the same in colleges too.  We need to blow it all up and start over with our schools and get back to the f'n basics.  Math, Finance, Science, History and Language(s) - shiat kids can actually use.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,937]

I’m usually for the parents having a say in their child’s education. In the case in places like Baltimore I make exceptions. The combination of shitty parents, leftist school boards and the teachers unions has resulted in disaster. There’s no spinning it. They have been given the resources and the power, and this is what they have gotten us. They institute and buy into destructive nonsense pushed by Obama like the “school to prison pipeline”. The result? No discipline. None of them should have a say. They need a dictator. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

16 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

What we need to do is remove most, if not all, liberal teachers and administrators from schools. That's the only way.  They are directly responsible for this - and it's not just Baltimore.

Too many are pushing agendas and political views over actual education.  it's the same in colleges too.  We need to blow it all up and start over with our schools and get back to the f'n basics.  Math, Finance, Science, History and Language(s) - shiat kids can actually use.

Says the guy with no kids.  You think kids don't take Math, Science, history, and English anymore?  You're a complete idiot.

[seafoam1 2,803]

20 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

By that thinking you would think the few areas where that is not the case they would be head and shoulders above the D cities in these categories, right?  Shouldn't their crime stats be better, their violence be down, and evidently their math scores should be up.        How are those rural communities doing in these categories where they are far from the reaches of the evil dems?  

 

Last time I posted the top 20 most violent/muderous cities, 19 of them were run by democrats. You can keep denying it, but it's not gonna help your case. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Says the guy with no kids.  You think kids don't take Math, Science, history, and English anymore?  You're a complete idiot.

No kids? 

Are you a f'n moron?  Do you even know what you're posting?  Or do you just knee jerk EVERY post, you non-thinking POS?

Your reputation as a retard around here is well deserved.  You constantly confirm it with every post you make.

[seafoam1 2,803]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No kids? 

Are you a f'n moron?  Do you even know what you're posting?  Or do you just knee jerk EVERY post, you non-thinking POS?

Your reputation as a retard around here is well deserved.

He's tries hard to get introduced to children every chance he gets. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

He's tries hard to get introduced to children every chance he gets. 

He's called GutterPedo for a reason and it's not because he wants the best for kids.

[RogerDodger 797]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Can you share the Achilles tendon study?  Or the running from the cheetta?

Sure.  But here is the thing, first - to somehow suggest that evolution and genetic makeup do not change in species that are separated by geographical area (environment) is the very definition of denying science.  It's what created the races in the first place.  All races by definition are not equal, the first thing that should jump right off the page is skin color, they are not the same.  Surely you've heard of the Gallipolis finches, or the spotted trout, or many of the thousands of other examples of genetic evolution?  If you understand the fundamental concepts the rest should be pretty obvious.

Achilles

https://www.uab.edu/news/research/item/1489-longer-tendons-make-faster-runners-suggests-uab-research

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“We found a strong correlation between tendon length and running economy, or energy expenditure, in our subjects at both the six and seven mph running speeds and at a walking pace of three mph,” said Hunter. “Coupled with our previous studies, I’m convinced that tendon length contributes to running efficiency and probably performance.”

Unfortunately, Hunter says, aspiring athletes just can’t grow a longer tendon in hopes of running faster. Hunter’s previous research indicates that ethnic groups such as African-Americans tend to have longer limbs and shorter calf muscles and thus longer Achilles tendons than Caucasians, which may be a contributing factor to why some African-Americans seem to excel in sports involving running.

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16937962/

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We have previously shown that Achilles tendon length is related to walking economy on the flat, presumably because of increased stretch-shortening cycle elastic energy savings. In addition, greater walking economy in African American (AA) women compared to European American (EA) women is explained by longer Achilles tendons in AA women.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16937962/

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Data show gastrocnemius tendon length is related to level walking and longer gastrocnemius tendons may partly explain more economical walking in African American women. These preliminary findings indicate the structure of the muscle-tendon complex could be a factor partially accounting for reported ethnic differences in certain types of athletic-related performance.

https://www.brettowensmd.com/assets/risk-factors-for-achilles-tendon-rupture-identified.pdf

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There appears to be a predisposition among black U. S. service members toward lower extremity major tendon rupture.

Cheetta:

https://phys.org/news/2011-11-genographic-humans-migrated-africa-arabia.html

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Within Africa, Homo sapiens dispersed around the time of its speciation, roughly 300,000 years ago. The recent African origin paradigm suggests that the anatomically modern humans outside of Africa descend from a population of Homo sapiens migrating from East Africa roughly 70–50,000 years ago and spreading along the southern coast of Asia and to Oceania by about 50,000 years ago. Modern humans spread across Europe about 40,000 years ago.

https://www.science.org/content/article/short-history-african-pygmies

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A small group of short people split off from nonpygmy populations between 50,000 and 90,000 years ago. The founding group of pygmy ancestors was fairly cohesive, with tribes interbreeding until 2800 years ago.

 

[RogerDodger 797]

11 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No kids? 

Are you a f'n moron?  Do you even know what you're posting?  Or do you just knee jerk EVERY post, you non-thinking POS?

Your reputation as a retard around here is well deserved.  You constantly confirm it with every post you make.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

3 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Sure.  But here is the thing, first - to somehow suggest that evolution and genetic makeup do not change in species that are separated by geographical area (environment) is the very definition of denying science.  It's what created the races in the first place.  All races by definition are not equal, the first thing that should jump right off the page is skin color, they are not the same.  Surely you've heard of the Gallipolis finches, or the spotted trout, or many of the thousands of other examples of genetic evolution?  If you understand the fundamental concepts the rest should be pretty obvious.

Achilles

https://www.uab.edu/news/research/item/1489-longer-tendons-make-faster-runners-suggests-uab-research

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16937962/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16937962/

https://www.brettowensmd.com/assets/risk-factors-for-achilles-tendon-rupture-identified.pdf

Cheetta:

https://phys.org/news/2011-11-genographic-humans-migrated-africa-arabia.html

https://www.science.org/content/article/short-history-african-pygmies

 

Well, to be fair, he also comes from the same crew that thinks that a man can say he's a woman and that makes him a woman.  So, yeah, denying science is kind of his thing.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,937]

16 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, to be fair, he also comes from the same crew that thinks that a man can say he's a woman and that makes him a woman.  So, yeah, denying science is kind of his thing.

Great point. 

[jerryskids 6,567]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

@jerryskids If you just google the article you posted, you will see lots of other articles that dispute what Cofnas wrote.

 

https://philarchive.org/archive/ROSMTP-3

https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/29030/

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/01/23/intelligent-argument-race

 

I get that you're trying to be a free thinker and when you read articles like Cofnas wrote you like to keep yourself open to the possibility that whites are genetically smarter than blacks, but that doesn't make it true.

Even so, what's the point?  Why would anyone want to make an argument that one race is smarter than another race.  Lets just say somehow it can be proven, what now?  Now we can in good conscience relegate blacks to remedial jobs, dismiss what they say, put them into a tier below us and justify it with science?  For years white supremecists have been using these arguments to put other races down.  You trying to help them?

The whole thing is just disgusting.  That's why righteous people dismiss all this racial intelligence talk in the first place.  Nothing has scientifically been proven, and to pretend otherwise makes you look hateful.

The whole fast twitch muscle and longer achilles stuff is silly, but mostly harmless.  When you start in about how blacks are genetically inferior intellectually, then it becomes disturbing.

This is at least an attempt at a somewhat intelligent discussion.

I am aware that there are contrary positions; did you read what I wrote?  Also there was such a link in the top right of the link I provided.  It dealt with, among other things, whether or not you believe "racial realism" exists.  That's why I said it's contentious.

You then contradict yourself.  You say I like to be a free thinker, then immediately follow it with "like to keep yourself open to the possibility" like this is some personal life wish of mine.  So like I predicted, you are starting with the premise that because I'm open to it, I'm raciss$#@!

Regarding the point of such knowledge, I provided several examples of people who share your concern, while also acknowledging that the difference likely exists.  Cofnas discusses it; there is the potential utilitarian benefit of using such knowledge to find different strengths, potentially intellectual strengths which aren't captured by IQ tests.  Perhaps through these efforts we learn different measures of "intelligence".  Keep in mind also that this is a bell curve; Asians score higher on such tests than whites, that doesn't mean that all whites become ditch diggers. 

There is also a benefit to the general pursuit of truth.  When I did college admissions, I would often ask applicants if they thought the invention of the atomic bomb was a good thing.  There was no right answer necessarily, but I was interested in how many people believed in knowledge for knowledge's sake.  One can argue that the bomb itself was one of the worst things ever created.  However, the research that went into it has created immeasurable value through nuclear energy, radiology therapy, and the knowledge of how the universe works, for example.  In other words, increasing knowledge can take us places we haven't yet envisioned.  It is, in a crude way, the difference between research and development.

But then you lose me with the disgusting paragraph.  Righteous people; think highly of your opinion, do you?  And I haven't said anything has been proven.

But I gotta say:  to concede the physiological differences in muscle composition and achilles, and in the same sentence say the possibility that the brains could have (not DO have, COULD have) physiological differences is "disturbing," shows quite a shallowness of thinking.

In the end, I understand the obvious concern of a certain class of people not seeing the nuance and concluding that whites are superior (while overlooking that Asians are superior to them, by the same measures).  Such class including redneck Magatards and, it would seem, folks like yourself who doth protest too much.

 

[jerryskids 6,567]

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Exactly. And that’s why it’s racist.

And like I said before, people like Jerry do not actually dispute this. Rather, what Jerry is saying is that it’s okay to be racist because he’s right to be racist.

Think about that.

Then there is you.  You've exceeded my expectations for idiocy in this response to my well thought-out post, and those expectations were quite high.  I sometimes wonder how, with a seemingly non-existent ability for critical thinking, you graduated law school let alone passed the bar.  I chalk it up to the "eventually a monkey would type War and Peace, given enough time" phenomenon.   

[seafoam1 2,803]

Can this be correct?? Liberals are calling people racist ad nauseum??? Shocking....

It's a shame they don't know what the word means. They just know what they are told to say by their liberal authoritarian masters. 

 

[jerryskids 6,567]

Moving on, before Buck and Worms called me out before even posting, here is what I was going to say:

It starts with the kids.  The young ones.

It would be great if we could turn things all back on the parents, as some have suggested here.  That is the longer term goal, and without it there is no sustainable solution.  That being said, and I'm just keeping it real here:  the majority of these parents are lost.  No amount of changing incentives etc. is going to fix them.  They are broken.  Black, white, whatever.  

Some aren't, though.  Hopefully most of them are already doing things to improve their childrens' lot in life.  We should make it as easy as possibly for them to take advantage of things like school choice.  This approach flies in the face of liberalism, which espouses equity and, I believe it was W, "no child left behind" which basically guarantees all kids fail equally.  We can't fix all of the situations.  Let's fix the fixable ones first:  help the kids in environments that allow them to be helped.

There is an old adage:  for a kid to be successful in school, two of the following three must care:  parent, student, teacher.  Presuming we've addressed the parent situation above (most are broken), that leaves the student and the teacher.  So... what can we do to make young kids aspire to getting out of their shiotty situation?  And how can we enable teachers to help them get there?  I don't have the exact answers, but I believe that these are the problems we need to address in the short term.

Over time, those kids become parents who aren't broken, and the problem goes away.  But it's not a quick fix.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

10 hours ago, Voltaire said:

What's wrong with that mentality? Taking personal responsibility actually works in places that implement it.

Why is Baltimore the conservative's fault? Need I point out that Baltimore schools are 100% run by liberals and their teachers' union allies. If this is systemic racism, the left has controlled Baltimore since the beginning of the republic. They're solving imaginary problems.  Baltimore is 100% your fault, 0% ours. Don't throw it on our plate.

Boom Baltimore is some of the best evidence in existence that Democrat policies don’t work.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Moving on, before Buck and Worms called me out before even posting, here is what I was going to say:

It starts with the kids.  The young ones.

It would be great if we could turn things all back on the parents, as some have suggested here.  That is the longer term goal, and without it there is no sustainable solution.  That being said, and I'm just keeping it real here:  the majority of these parents are lost.  No amount of changing incentives etc. is going to fix them.  They are broken.  Black, white, whatever.  

Some aren't, though.  Hopefully most of them are already doing things to improve their childrens' lot in life.  We should make it as easy as possibly for them to take advantage of things like school choice.  This approach flies in the face of liberalism, which espouses equity and, I believe it was W, "no child left behind" which basically guarantees all kids fail equally.  We can't fix all of the situations.  Let's fix the fixable ones first:  help the kids in environments that allow them to be helped.

There is an old adage:  for a kid to be successful in school, two of the following three must care:  parent, student, teacher.  Presuming we've addressed the parent situation above (most are broken), that leaves the student and the teacher.  So... what can we do to make young kids aspire to getting out of their shiotty situation?  And how can we enable teachers to help them get there?  I don't have the exact answers, but I believe that these are the problems we need to address in the short term.

Over time, those kids become parents who aren't broken, and the problem goes away.  But it's not a quick fix.

You see, that’s a very reasonable answer and it doesn’t reference or rely upon supposed genetic inferiority of any race at all

[peenie 1,905]

I scanned page 1 and did a quick scan of this page. First, if no student passed this is not about race. This is not about genetics. This is the school system. They are many different races of children going to these schools. Also, just because there is money being allocated to these schools doesn’t mean the schools are actually spending money for the children. Just like Newark schools, the mob got the money, not the teachers, not the buildings and not spent on technologies. Stop being racist! 
 

Every other week you guys find a story so you can go in and on and how inferior black people really are and patting yourselves on the back on how you and the rest of society has been tolerating us and how in denial we all are about our deficiencies. We excel in every single thing we do when the rules are clear and when the playing board is fair. Stop trying to validate yourselves by tearing blacks down. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

3 minutes ago, peenie said:

I scanned page 1 and did a quick scan of this page. First, if no student passed this is not about race. This is not about genetics. This is the school system. They are many different races of children going to these schools. Also, just because there is money being allocated to these schools doesn’t mean the schools are actually spending money for the children. Just like Newark schools, the mob got the money, not the teachers, not the buildings and not spent on technologies. Stop being racist! 

[peenie 1,905]

3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You couldn’t pass the test either. You never write anything enlightening, interesting or funny. You’re just the bored fool that we laugh at because you’re silly…just like your user name.

[seafoam1 2,803]

44 minutes ago, peenie said:

You couldn’t pass the test either. You never write anything enlightening, interesting or funny. You’re just the bored fool that we laugh at because you’re silly…just like your user name.

You just know one word in your whole vocabulary. RACIST!!!! You are just like all the other liberals in this country. A sheep to your liberal authoritarian masters telling you lies to repeat over and over and over. You have no idea what is going on around you because your life is full of hatred.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

you cant have a dictatorship if the people are educated.  the government solution to this problem is to kill any intelligent kids and adults.

[shorepatrol 1,870]

12 hours ago, RLLD said:

But completely fixable.   We cannot fix them in school, that is not the move, it has to be at home.  We fix that and the rest falls neatly into place. 

This is not fixable. That was always the plan. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

55 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

This is not fixable. That was always the plan. 

Correct. This country will never be 100% , 330,000,000 full of smart, hard working, non violent people, not to mention a certain 13% of them turning their culture around to fit into this society. 

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

you cant have a dictatorship if the people are educated.  the government solution to this problem is to kill any intelligent kids and adults.

Oh the government is engaged in systematic killing of intelligent people now?  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,937]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Oh the government is engaged in systematic killing of intelligent people now?  

Yes. Don’t worry about it. 

[shorepatrol 1,870]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes. Don’t worry about it. 

  Thread winner 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes. Don’t worry about it. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Oh the government is engaged in systematic killing of intelligent people now?  

pol pot would round up anyone wearing glasses and have them killed because he felt it was a sign of intelligence.  stalin would execute govt workers who were a little too good at their jobs.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

pol pot would round up anyone wearing glasses and have them killed because he felt it was a sign of intelligence.  stalin would execute govt workers who were a little too good at their jobs.

What is Biden doing? Killing all the kids in Baltimore that can pass the basic test?

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Who needs to read or do math.  What we need is more CRT.  

[listen2me 23 1,825]

19 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I reject the premise of this thread and also many of the opinions that border on racism. 

I do not know what the best solution to this issue is, not being an educator in Baltimore. They are the first ones I would ask. 

But this I DO know: it’s our responsibility, yours and mine, to try to fix this. We cannot abandon these kids. 

Lol

 

19 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This hits the nail on the head. It’s not racist to criticize liberal solutions. It’s racist to claim that the problems are inherent in race. 

Inherent in race?  No probably not.  

Baked into culture? Yes why not.  Look at Asians.  Culture and family norms are much different.   Different than whites as well.  Now be a good little Lib and call that racist.

Failing education in big cities is just another example of how Dems have failed the AA community.  Yet like good foot soilders the votes still pour in for these people.  

[RLLD 4,143]

In terms of genetically inferior...I am not on that boat.  I would point to culture and how it can both positively and negatively influence.  

[peenie 1,905]

27 minutes ago, RLLD said:

In terms of genetically inferior...I am not on that boat.  I would point to culture and how it can both positively and negatively influence.  

Just beside the music and movie industry pushes music and images about us that is disgusting doesn’t mean it reflects our culture but it may drive it forward unfortunately. I exist and my family and friends exist and we have nothing in common with the black culture you perceive. 
And the only way we can have your culture, since you claim it’s so different, is for us to live together, work together and go to school together. Historically, that has not been allowed and even today social and financial barriers prevent it. 
 

[RLLD 4,143]

8 minutes ago, peenie said:

Just beside the music and movie industry pushes music and images about us that is disgusting doesn’t mean it reflects our culture but it may drive it forward unfortunately. I exist and my family and friends exist and we have nothing in common with the black culture you perceive. 
And the only way we can have your culture, since you claim it’s so different, is for us to live together, work together and go to school together. Historically, that has not been allowed and even today social and financial barriers prevent it. 
 

Thanks for that thoughtful reply. You make a valid point, it is entirely possible to escape the negative elements of culture, accentuate the positive, and rise.  There is no mysterious force out there holding anyone back, it remains only their own decisions and actions that hold anyone back.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Thanks for that thoughtful reply. You make a valid point, it is entirely possible to escape the negative elements of culture, accentuate the positive, and rise.  There is no mysterious force out there holding anyone back, it remains only their own decisions and actions that hold anyone back.

And now we're back to being genetically inferior again.

[RLLD 4,143]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

And now we're back to being genetically inferior again.

How odd to equate decision making with genetics..... you do know that was a key facet of the beliefs  of the Nazi's right? I mean, you really have some dark sh!t in your head.....

[MDC 7,131]

Any suggestions on how this can be fixed or are we still stuck on finger pointing?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

How odd to equate decision making with genetics..... you do know that was a key facet of the beliefs  of the Nazi's right? I mean, you really have some dark sh!t in your head.....

You are the king of projection