At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam

[IGotWorms 4,057]

31 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You are the Slingblade of discussion boards.  At least Gutter tried to have a productive discussion, until he fell back on "yer a raciss!"

Thankfully, smart people in this field can debate it while you derp your way through a simple belief that fits your world view.

 

That’s totally not responsive.

And also telling because I didn’t mention you yet you take it as an attack on you. Interesting.

Could it be because you actually fit into the first category I referenced — people who literally believe blacks are genetically inferior? I.e. the worst of the worst racists out there?

Maybe think about that next time you’re spouting that Bell Curve hate speech

[IGotWorms 4,057]

28 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I come from white trash.  Damn near every problem I see put on the black community in these thresds, I largely see in my family and their "community" - welfare, uneducated, multiple fathers nowhere to be seen, single moms, don't give a crap about school. On and on.  

I don't see it as an AA problem, I see it as a poor and uneducated threads.   Please tell me what is specific to the black community that is not what I describe above and is specific to black people that maybe I am not understanding. 

Exactly.

My whole point here is you can talk about all of those issues without bringing race into it at all.

But many of the bored righties simply can’t do it, because they’re too invested in their identity as a member of “the superior race”

[jerryskids 6,731]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

That’s totally no responsive.

And also telling because I didn’t mention you yet you take it as an attack on you. Interesting.

Could it be because you actually fit into the first category I referenced — people who literally believe blacks are genetically inferior? I.e. the worst of the worst racists out there?

Maybe think about that next time you’re spouting that Bell Curve hate speech

You haven't responded to a single point I've made except to call me a racist.  Enjoy being a simpleton, I hear ignorance is bliss. 

ETA:  And calling the Bell Curve "hate speech" when it continues to be discussed and debated in academic circles is about an 80 IQ level of analysis.  I guess you are proving that white people can be really dumb too, so you've got that going for you.   

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You haven't responded to a single point I've made except to call me a racist. 

 

Because you are.

As for further response, somebody (I think it was Gutter?), broke it down for you comprehensively earlier in the thread and I don’t believe you even bothered to respond. Because you can’t.

Fact is it’s racist to believe blacks are genetically inferior and fact is you do believe that. Period. End of discussion. HTH

[Baker Boy 1,694]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Agreed

Don’t necessarily disagree, but what’s the fix on that?

The fix for most of this stuff is personal accountability. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

The fix for most of this stuff is personal accountability. 

Agree again but how? You got a personal accountability serum you can put in the water supply or something?

[BuckSwope 654]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Interesting that you don't see that you just described that you, as a (presumably) white person, were able to rise out of such a situation, yet you think it is just shy of hopeless for similar black people to do the same.

Regarding differences in community, we've hashed these out before, but... did you aspire to be a rap artist, treating women like hos?  Did you look at successful white people in traditional society as Uncle Toms who had sold out to the establishment?  Were your parents together, and those of your friends? (Honest question here; obviously I don't know and I don't know how different this is in poor black vs. white communities)

When the fock have I said it's hopeless? Read my posts or don't respond.  I am not going to argue dumb liberal positions just because you THINK I am one. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Regarding differences in community, we've hashed these out before, but... did you aspire to be a rap artist, treating women like hos?  Did you look at successful white people in traditional society as Uncle Toms who had sold out to the establishment?  Were your parents together, and those of your friends? (Honest question here; obviously I don't know and I don't know how different this is in poor black vs. white communities)

[RLLD 4,200]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

My take is that historically speaking on up through today neither party is blameless or can take the high road. You disagree because you’re a partisan hack. I hope that clears it up. Want me to draw you a picture?  

To ignore the source, is to pretend.  It is an ineffective approach.  But I get it, rather than be honest, you want to pretend.....and thus ensure the problem continues...

[GutterBoy 2,899]

10 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Because you are.

As for further response, somebody (I think it was Gutter?), broke it down for you comprehensively earlier in the thread and I don’t believe you even bothered to respond. Because you can’t.

Fact is it’s racist to believe blacks are genetically inferior and fact is you do believe that. Period. End of discussion. HTH

He "replied", but he didn't "respond", he just called me a shallow thinker for not believing the evidence he presented that blacks are inferior to whites.

[RLLD 4,200]

41 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I come from white trash.  Damn near every problem I see put on the black community in these thresds, I largely see in my family and their "community" - welfare, uneducated, multiple fathers nowhere to be seen, single moms, don't give a crap about school. On and on.  

I don't see it as an AA problem, I see it as a poor and uneducated threads.   Please tell me what is specific to the black community that is not what I describe above and is specific to black people that maybe I am not understanding. 

I like the point you have raised, beacuse I think it really helps bring the point home.  There are plenty of communities of people in this nation who can lay claim to econonic hardship.  So then, why is there no special allocation or awareness raised toward THOSE groups?  Appalacians?  Native Americans, notably Alaskans, Hispanics....all can lay claim to elevated levels of poverty....

We make our own decisions of course, each person is more or less exactly where they deserve to be, not an absolute but a reliably true statement.  No nation or system in the history of the word has raised people up to prosperity as we have seen in this nation. And when people simply try, often it works out for them....

[MDC 7,295]

How will things get better if we don’t blame 1800s Democrats?  

[Baker Boy 1,694]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Agree again but how? You got a personal accountability serum you can put in the water supply or something?

Stop coddling people and blaming others for their failures. Tell them they live in America the land of opportunity. If they can’t make it here, they can’t make it anywhere. Welfare has become an accepted chosen profession in America. Years ago there was a stigma attached to being on welfare and government assistance. Base everything on merit not on how many boxes you can check off on the Liberal checklist. Of course, there are exceptions like physically, and mentally handicapped people.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

How will things get better if we don’t blame 1800s Democrats?  

I may be misunderstanding here, and I’m sure you’re right this is part of it, but I think RLLD is blaming modern Dems for getting away from separate but equal (when “the AA family was doing well”) and enacting the great society when we tried to give integration a real go.

But if you got him in private, I’m sure he’d lament the days when the blacks were confined to the plantation where they had everything provided for them and plenty of work to keep them occupied. Sure there were some bad slave owners but that shouldn’t distract us from the benevolent ones and the structured environment they provided for the inferior race and the beneficial skills they taught them and all that. You know, like Ron Desantis said

[IGotWorms 4,057]

3 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Stop coddling people and blaming others for their failures. Tell them they live in America the land of opportunity. If they can’t make it here, they can’t make it anywhere. Welfare has become an accepted chosen profession in America. Years ago there was a stigma attached to being on welfare and government assistance. Base everything on merit not on how many boxes you can check off on the Liberal checklist. Of course, there are exceptions like physically, and mentally handicapped people.

Okay, I actually agree with that.

I’d like to see the standard bearer from the right demonstrating some actual personal accountability ever, even once in his entire life, but I recognize this line will become a distraction.

For now, let’s just say, agreed. And that’s a big part of why I *do not* support a lot of the narrative coming out there from the left. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

3 hours ago, RLLD said:

If your intent is to rely on the school to conduct the education of your child, that is fine for you.  I see this differently. I delgate some measure of education to the school, but at the end of the day it us MY responsibility to ensure that child is properly educated. 

Well, evidently everyone isn’t like you. Now what? The kids can’t be taught to read? Seriously? Prisoners learn to read in prison, without parental assistance. 

[jerryskids 6,731]

52 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Because you are.

As for further response, somebody (I think it was Gutter?), broke it down for you comprehensively earlier in the thread and I don’t believe you even bothered to respond. Because you can’t.

Fact is it’s racist to believe blacks are genetically inferior and fact is you do believe that. Period. End of discussion. HTH

Oh well, there you go.  Deep analysis.  

40 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

He "replied", but he didn't "respond", he just called me a shallow thinker for not believing the evidence he presented that blacks are inferior to whites.

I completely broke it down you mongoloid.  

You can not believe whatever you want; there is evidence, this is incontrovertible.  Exhibit A, IQ scores.  This is not proof mind you; proof is different than evidence, which I've had to explain to Lefties (don't recall who) before, when pointing out that there is evidence that Joe Biden committed crimes.

My point has never been that it is proof, but that there is evidence and that there is value in exploring it.  You can disagree in the value, I have no value in that, in fact you might be correct in the end, because shallow-thinking people like white racists and whatever you call yourself and Worms can't process it.

What set me off in the beginning was Worms just chiming in that I'm racist, when I hadn't even posted in the thread.  That type of unwarranted accusation gets to me, mea culpa.  I should have realized the source and ignored him; I truly do wonder how he functions in life with such a simplistic blue pill world view.  He is every bit as blue as the reddest supermagatard.  That's on me, I'll strive to be better.

[RLLD 4,200]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, evidently everyone isn’t like you. Now what? The kids can’t be taught to read? Seriously? Prisoners learn to read in prison, without parental assistance. 

They absolutely can!   All kids have the ability to learn, and some are better than others of course.  We are not all equally positioned in terms of ability.

So then how do we help these kids? I think the first move should be to invest some of that money into remedial learning.  Let's get some specialists engaged, one-on-one, with the kids who actually want to learn..... and THAT is another key piece, in order to succeed one simply has to try.....

Still, until we deal with the cultural elements that celebrate criminality, where achieving is "selling out", and where being "street" is some kind of honorable disctiction etc....

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

They absolutely can!   All kids have the ability to learn, and some are better than others of course.  We are not all equally positioned in terms of ability.

So then how do we help these kids? I think the first move should be to invest some of that money into remedial learning.  Let's get some specialists engaged, one-on-one, with the kids who actually want to learn..... and THAT is another key piece, in order to succeed one simply has to try.....

Still, until we deal with the cultural elements that celebrate criminality, where achieving is "selling out", and where being "street" is some kind of honorable disctiction etc....

Yeah, we’re talking about reading.  I don’t think I can possibly set the bar any lower. Specialists , to read? For all the students that “can’t”? So what does the teacher do? Again, it’s reading. 

[jerryskids 6,731]

48 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

When the fock have I said it's hopeless? Read my posts or don't respond.  I am not going to argue dumb liberal positions just because you THINK I am one. 

In my mind you have repeatedly said that you believe that the problems in the inner city black community are due to external circumstances, in which case they would have no agency to fix it themselves.  If not, then I apologize.

That being said, you asked what is different, and I provided some possible answers:

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Regarding differences in community, we've hashed these out before, but... did you aspire to be a rap artist, treating women like hos?  Did you look at successful white people in traditional society as Uncle Toms who had sold out to the establishment?  Were your parents together, and those of your friends? (Honest question here; obviously I don't know and I don't know how different this is in poor black vs. white communities)

I will add to the list:  did you have 1/2 of the country, including the leadership in your city, repeatedly telling you that another more successful race was keeping you down and you'd never be successful?

[MDC 7,295]

26 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I may be misunderstanding here, and I’m sure you’re right this is part of it, but I think RLLD is blaming modern Dems for getting away from separate but equal (when “the AA family was doing well”) and enacting the great society when we tried to give integration a real go.

But if you got him in private, I’m sure he’d lament the days when the blacks were confined to the plantation where they had everything provided for them and plenty of work to keep them occupied. Sure there were some bad slave owners but that shouldn’t distract us from the benevolent ones and the structured environment they provided for the inferior race and the beneficial skills they taught them and all that. You know, like Ron Desantis said

I assumed Ray was trying to pin the problems AAs face today to Democrats’ historic opposition to the abolition of slavery? Which is both true and stupid, since the two major parties are totally different today than in the 1800s. And what’s the point of that discussion anyway? Only an idiot would primarily blame one party or the other for racism, either back then or today.

I think this is an example of Ray emulating the hypocrisy of the people he hates.

He learned it from watching you!  

[RLLD 4,200]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, we’re talking about reading.  I don’t think I can possibly set the bar any lower. Specialists , to read? For all the students that “can’t”? So what does the teacher do? Again, it’s reading. 

I bet some of those college professors who are so very concerned about the plight of the less fortunate will happily donate their time to help these kids improve their skills....right?  

[Voltaire 5,281]

5 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

That’s totally not responsive.

And also telling because I didn’t mention you yet you take it as an attack on you. Interesting.

Could it be because you actually fit into the first category I referenced — people who literally believe blacks are genetically inferior? I.e. the worst of the worst racists out there?

Maybe think about that next time you’re spouting that Bell Curve hate speech

I haven't read the Bell Curve in 35 years, and have forgotten 95-99% of what I read, but one thing I know wasn't in there was hate speech or white supremacist speil. It would have stood out and I wouldn't have appreciated it as much as I did at the time if any was present.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I bet some of those college professors who are so very concerned about the plight of the less fortunate will happily donate their time to help these kids improve their skills....right?  

Again, it’s Fockin reading. Teachers can’t teach kids to read? It requires outside assistance? How about they don’t teach anything else until they can read? 

[RLLD 4,200]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Again, it’s Fockin reading. Teachers can’t teach kids to read? It requires outside assistance? How about they don’t teach anything else until they can read? 

Maybe not.

Kids are typically taught to read, at first, by their parents.  Parents read to them, and then should be worked with their children to read as well.  Holding them accountable to reading some minimal amount, before they ever reach school.  If that does not happen, I think it could be a rather large ask for a teach to be able to teach 20+ kids in a room to all read......we are then not setting the kids OR the teacher up for success.

Without that strong parental involvement, kids have less potential.....

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Maybe not.

Kids are typically taught to read, at first, by their parents.  Parents read to them, and then should be worked with their children to read as well.  Holding them accountable to reading some minimal amount, before they ever reach school.  If that does not happen, I think it could be a rather large ask for a teach to be able to teach 20+ kids in a room to all read......we are then not setting the kids OR the teacher up for success.

Without that strong parental involvement, kids have less potential.....

Kids in orphanages learned to read. 

[The Real timschochet 6,641]

I appreciate many if not most of the conservative arguments in this thread. Not all of them of course, but most. 
 

What I fundamentally reject is the conclusion of “there’s no way we can improve things because the culture won’t allow for it so let’s not do anything.” This is what every conservative argument seems to ultimately lead to. 

[seafoam1 2,926]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I appreciate many if not most of the conservative arguments in this thread. Not all of them of course, but most. 
 

What I fundamentally reject is the conclusion of “there’s no way we can improve things because the culture won’t allow for it so let’s not do anything.” This is what every conservative argument seems to ultimately lead to. 

You do realize, you can't fix someone who doesn't want to be fixed. That goes for the same in groups, cultures, etc. 

Take  simple example. If a drug addict doesn't want to help himself and doesn't even try, then there is nothing you can do. If a serial killer doesn't want to stop killing, there is nothing you can do. If there is a pedo that doesn't want to stop being a pedo, there is nothing anyone can do about it. 

People need to want to help themselves achieve a goal. When they don't see a problem, or acknowledge a problem, then there is no fixing it by anyone else who intervenes or tries to change their ways. A whole cultural change is not possible in a very contentious, identity politics focused run country (thanks obama).  

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,268]

48 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I appreciate many if not most of the conservative arguments in this thread. Not all of them of course, but most. 
 

What I fundamentally reject is the conclusion of “there’s no way we can improve things because the culture won’t allow for it so let’s not do anything.” This is what every conservative argument seems to ultimately lead to. 

So what are “we” going to do? P.S.  You’re part of “we”. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Oh well, there you go.  Deep analysis.  

I completely broke it down you mongoloid.  

You can not believe whatever you want; there is evidence, this is incontrovertible.  Exhibit A, IQ scores.  This is not proof mind you; proof is different than evidence, which I've had to explain to Lefties (don't recall who) before, when pointing out that there is evidence that Joe Biden committed crimes.

My point has never been that it is proof, but that there is evidence and that there is value in exploring it.  You can disagree in the value, I have no value in that, in fact you might be correct in the end, because shallow-thinking people like white racists and whatever you call yourself and Worms can't process it.

What set me off in the beginning was Worms just chiming in that I'm racist, when I hadn't even posted in the thread.  That type of unwarranted accusation gets to me, mea culpa.  I should have realized the source and ignored him; I truly do wonder how he functions in life with such a simplistic blue pill world view.  He is every bit as blue as the reddest supermagatard.  That's on me, I'll strive to be better.

So you’re a racist but you feel that’s okay because the data supposedly supports your position. That’s exactly what I initially said and what you have continued to affirm over and over again.

[seafoam1 2,926]

A proven fact. Liberals are what they accuse others of being. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,525]

3 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

I come from white trash.  Damn near every problem I see put on the black community in these thresds, I largely see in my family and their "community" - welfare, uneducated, multiple fathers nowhere to be seen, single moms, don't give a crap about school. On and on.  

I don't see it as an AA problem, I see it as a poor and uneducated issue.   Please tell me what is specific to the black community that is not what I describe above and is specific to black people that maybe I am not understanding. 

 

3 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Exactly.

My whole point here is you can talk about all of those issues without bringing race into it at all.

But many of the bored righties simply can’t do it, because they’re too invested in their identity as a member of “the superior race”

I think it's funny that you guys say this.  It's exactly what I said.  Democrat ideology.

I simply mentioned that it's a bigger issue for black folks than white.  I didn't say it was the black people's fault, I said it was the Democrats policies and ideology that is having a greater negative impact on black people.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

On 9/19/2023 at 7:56 AM, TBayXXXVII said:

 

It's by and large a race thing.  Not across the whole race, but it's more prevalent among black folks... but it stems from a culture issue and a culture that has listened to Democrats for 70 years.

I think this is where you started losing people 

[BuckSwope 654]

7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

I think it's funny that you guys say this.  It's exactly what I said.  Democrat ideology.

I simply mentioned that it's a bigger issue for black folks than white.  I didn't say it was the black people's fault, I said it was the Democrats policies and ideology that is having a greater negative impact on black people.

Why is that funny?  Despite what you dipsh1ts believe I am not Democrat.  Yes, I vote for them (as well as R, but mostly I).  I often disagree with their policies, and agree many of their policies have lead to this outcome.  

 

[seafoam1 2,926]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Why is that funny?  Despite what you dipsh1ts believe I am not Democrat.  Yes, I vote for them (as well as R, but mostly I).  I often disagree with their policies, and agree many of their policies have lead to this outcome.  

 

[jerryskids 6,731]

42 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

So you’re a racist but you feel that’s okay because the data supposedly supports your position. That’s exactly what I initially said and what you have continued to affirm over and over again.

Reads like a legal brief, impressive.

I'm listening to a podcast on Hidden Brain with one of the godfathers of cognitive dissonance theory, you are a prime example.  When faced with data contrary to your worldview, your brain reestablished your perception of superiority by calling me racist for providing the data.

Don't feel bad, it happens to smart people, too.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,525]

9 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I think this is where you started losing people 

That's in reference to Baltimore.  There's been less than 5 Republican's in political office, in the city of Baltimore, since the Civil Rights Act.

[RogerDodger 798]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Tooth and nail but no Democrat.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,525]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Why is that funny?  Despite what you dipsh1ts believe I am not Democrat.  Yes, I vote for them (as well as R, but mostly I).  I often disagree with their policies, and agree many of their policies have lead to this outcome.  

 

You've been arguing with for 5+ pages, when you literally said exactly what I said.  Yet, you called me a racist!

[IGotWorms 4,057]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Reads like a legal brief, impressive.

I'm listening to a podcast on Hidden Brain with one of the godfathers of cognitive dissonance theory, you are a prime example.  When faced with data contrary to your worldview, your brain reestablished your perception of superiority by calling me racist for providing the data.

Don't feel bad, it happens to smart people, too.

 

And you affirm yet again.

There’s no dissonance. I understand what you’re saying, which is that we should consider whether blacks are simply inherently inferior to whites and maybe other races.

The issue is, a) that is, by definition, racist (sorry you don’t like the definition, but you fit it to a tee, and b) the whole reason we consider it racist is where would that even lead? What is the point of even engaging in that inquiry? Would you exterminate the race? Go the eugenics route and sterilize? Would you relegate blacks to a lesser role or diminished expectations owing to their supposed inherent inferiority?

I mean that’s some real vile sh1t there, and I can’t see any other implication of your little inquiry there.