At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam

[RLLD 4,230]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You are the king of projection 

Not going to work here, your post stands on its own.  You need to either post a correction or admit to being a POS racist....that you appear to be

[listen2me 23 1,873]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

Any suggestions on how this can be fixed or are we still stuck on finger pointing?

Vote Republicans into these areas and give them a shot at it.  The decades of leftism in a place like Maryland seemingly has failed students here.  

In the end I think society is just going down the drain.  When I was a student kids feared/respected their parents.  Didn't really matter their race.  Today like criminals, we let kids run the zoo.  No one is afraid of the law, teachers, parents anymore.  And it is acceptable to have excuses or blame someone else.  It is quite clear that has changed a bunch.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

FYI, they can’t read either.  

[GutterBoy 2,899]

17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not going to work here, your post stands on its own.  You need to either post a correction or admit to being a POS racist....that you appear to be

So your logic is that I am a racist POS for calling you out for being a racist POS, did I get that right?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

There is no mysterious force out there holding anyone back, it remains only their own decisions and actions that hold anyone back.

So blacks make bad decisions, and they have no excuse for doing so?  That's your argument?  And you're calling me racist.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Reeeeee! .00001 pct of black kids won’t get into Harvard because of affirmative action being struck down (not true, but whatever) Pay no mind to the other multitude of black kids not being able to read and do basic math.  

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So your logic is that I am a racist POS for calling you out for being a racist POS, did I get that right?

Incorrect. You are a racist POS for stating  "being genetically inferior again."

Making that kind of statement, yes, does make you a racist POS

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Have we really convinced ourselves that not being able to read at these numbers is bad parenting? Reading? Really? Not advanced math or science, but reading at grade level. Damn it’s good to be in the education industrial complex. Never a lick of accountability. People riot over cops but put up with this. Yeah, there are no marching orders. 

[MDC 7,426]

33 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Vote Republicans into these areas and give them a shot at it.  The decades of leftism in a place like Maryland seemingly has failed students here.  

In the end I think society is just going down the drain.  When I was a student kids feared/respected their parents.  Didn't really matter their race.  Today like criminals, we let kids run the zoo.  No one is afraid of the law, teachers, parents anymore.  And it is acceptable to have excuses or blame someone else.  It is quite clear that has changed a bunch.  

I often vote Republican in local elections. Not that I think they have solutions to problems like fixing the school system (they don’t), moreso to break up the monopoly on local leadership.

I’d be all ears if anyone had concrete suggestions on improving the education system. I’m not seeing any in this thread though. “Parent better!” isn’t wrong it’s just not an actionable plan.

[RLLD 4,230]

20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Have we really convinced ourselves that not being able to read at these numbers is bad parenting? Reading? Really? Not advanced math or science, but reading at grade level. Damn it’s good to be in the education industrial complex. Never a lick of accountability. People riot over cops but put up with this. Yeah, there are no marching orders. 

If your intent is to rely on the school to conduct the education of your child, that is fine for you.  I see this differently. I delgate some measure of education to the school, but at the end of the day it us MY responsibility to ensure that child is properly educated. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Incorrect. You are a racist POS for stating  "being genetically inferior again."

Making that kind of statement, yes, does make you a racist POS

Did you go to Baltimore schools?  Because you severely lack comprehension skills.  Last week you tried to tell me that a video contained something it didn't, so I'll have to spell this out to you...

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

In terms of genetically inferior...I am not on that boat.  I would point to culture and how it can both positively and negatively influence.  

 

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

There is no mysterious force out there holding anyone back, it remains only their own decisions and actions that hold anyone back.

 

So you say you don't think blacks are genetically inferior, but then you go back to blaming culture and saying that they have no excuses for making bad decisions, to which I replied

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

And now we're back to being genetically inferior again.

Suggesting that maybe you do believe they are genetically inferior.

Get it? 

Now you can still say you're still not on that boat, but if you're gonna blame blacks for their own problems, say they make bad choices, and there is nothing holding them back but themselves, then I wonder why you think they continue to make bad choices, if you wanna keep digging that hole you're in.

 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Did you go to Baltimore schools?  Because you severely lack comprehension skills.  Last week you tried to tell me that a video contained something it didn't, so I'll have to spell this out to you...

 

 

So you say you don't think blacks are genetically inferior, but then you go back to blaming culture and saying that they have no excuses for making bad decisions, to which I replied

Suggesting that maybe you do believe they are genetically inferior.

Get it? 

Now you can still say you're still not on that boat, but if you're gonna blame blacks for their own problems, say they make bad choices, and there is nothing holding them back but themselves, then I wonder why you think they continue to make bad choices, if you wanna keep digging that hole you're in.

 

I did not attend a Baltimore City school.  But if you post something, stand behind it. Don't deflect and run away from it like a coward. 

You conflation of culture with genetics is racist, plain and simple, it always has been and always will be. Not only did I not suggest the two were linked, I pointedly posted in this thread my direct opposition to that suggestion. So it is YOU who thinks that way, not I.

Now, your typical move is to metaphorically run up behind folks and squeal that they are stupid and run away, rather than have a frank conversatsion. Its part cowardice and part immaturity.  Not sure what % of each you are.

But the act to misrepresent others as you seem inclinded to do....is cowardly, without question.

Now, if you want to have a frank conversation about the influence of culture, NOT FOCKING GENETICS.....then we can talk.....

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I did not attend a Baltimore City school.  But if you post something, stand behind it. Don't deflect and run away from it like a coward. 

You conflation of culture with genetics is racist, plain and simple, it always has been and always will be. Not only did I not suggest the two were linked, I pointedly posted in this thread my direct opposition to that suggestion. So it is YOU who thinks that way, not I.

Now, your typical move is to metaphorically run up behind folks and squeal that they are stupid and run away, rather than have a frank conversatsion. Its part cowardice and part immaturity.  Not sure what % of each you are.

But the act to misrepresent others as you seem inclinded to do....is cowardly, without question.

Now, if you want to have a frank conversation about the influence of culture, NOT FOCKING GENETICS.....then we can talk.....

 

That's funny, you accuse me of being a coward, immature and running away several times, but I haven't done either.

You accuse me of thinking something I have argued against all thread.

I asked you a direct question about culture, and you ignore it and suggest that you are ready to have a frank conversation about culture.

You're either an idiot, drunk, or a troll.

I'll try one last time. 

  1 hour ago, RLLD said:

There is no mysterious force out there holding anyone back, it remains only their own decisions and actions that hold anyone back.

 

What decisions and actions hold blacks back?  Without any other reason, why do blacks make bad decisions? (your words not mine)

[RLLD 4,230]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

That's funny, you accuse me of being a coward, immature and running away several times, but I haven't done either.

You accuse me of thinking something I have argued against all thread.

I asked you a direct question about culture, and you ignore it and suggest that you are ready to have a frank conversation about culture.

You're either an idiot, drunk, or a troll.

I'll try one last time. 

  1 hour ago, RLLD said:

There is no mysterious force out there holding anyone back, it remains only their own decisions and actions that hold anyone back.

 

What decisions and actions hold blacks back?  Without any other reason, why do blacks make bad decisions? (your words not mine)

While I could lower myself to your level of behavior and equate your education to that of a Baltimore City student, I will refrain (for now), but perhaps your should conduct a Google search on the term metaphorical.

I accuse you of thinking what you posted.  You suggested  "being genetically inferior again."

I am not ignoring any questions, even your petulent ones. 

 

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What decisions and actions hold blacks back?  Without any other reason, why do blacks make bad decisions?

Every day, every person is making decisions, some result in good outcomes and some result in negative outcomes.  I am not aware of the specific decisions each person makes.  But until we accept this for ALL people, since we appear to accept this for many.....then how can people making bad decisions be helped?   Culturally, as I have posted with supporting links, there appears to be an issue with AA culture.  Do you have a link that might refute what I have provided in terms of linked sources?

[BuckSwope 654]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

Thanks for that thoughtful reply. You make a valid point, it is entirely possible to escape the negative elements of culture, accentuate the positive, and rise.  There is no mysterious force out there holding anyone back, it remains only their own decisions and actions that hold anyone back.

Do you think different barriers and difficulties largely serve this function though?   I don't think of it as some powerful hand of racism holding people back in our country, but 100% there is a significant wealth gap and class division that has gotten worse and worse.   To me that is largely where our issues lie.  

I am all for personal responsibility and decisions.  I also live in the real world and understand me making the decision to be involved with my kids is different than somebody in the inner city or in poor rural areas deciding to do the same.  Our environment and circumstances are not the same, it's just not.   That's why I bristle and push back so much with the idea of just simply fixing black culture, because 1.  IMO it's poor/uneducated culture, not black - and just focusing on one subsection ignores the others struggling, and 2.  IMO there needs to be better infrastructure and improvement of conditions to foster better decisions and lifestyles.   I am not sure how "they" fix that by themselves.   

[RLLD 4,230]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Do you think different barriers and difficulties largely serve this function though?   I don't think of it as some powerful hand of racism holding people back in our country, but 100% there is a significant wealth gap and class division that has gotten worse and worse.   To me that is largely where our issues lie.  

I am all for personal responsibility and decisions.  I also live in the real world and understand me making the decision to be involved with my kids is different than somebody in the inner city or in poor rural areas deciding to do the same.  Our environment and circumstances are not the same, it's just not.   That's why I bristle and push back so much with the idea of just simply fixing black culture, because 1.  IMO it's poor/uneducated culture, not black - and just focusing on one subsection ignores the others struggling, and 2.  IMO there needs to be better infrastructure and improvement of conditions to foster better decisions and lifestyles.   I am not sure how "they" fix that by themselves.   

Well first, lets get this part out of the way.  The first question might be, do I think racism still exists.....and the answer is yes.

The follow on question might be, well then does it play a role in holding people back. That answer is more complicated. I do not think we can say racism is never impacting, so it likely exists out there. Not limited to any single group, nor toward any single group. But in any analysis one should never rely on a univariate assessment.  Society, and people, are complex. There are MANY elements that contribute to success and failure.

I think perhaps my answer might be......systemic racism is no longer a relevant point. We managed to fight off the Democrats and their decades of racist policies.  Now, I might point out that many of their current policies seem to often do more harm than good for AA's in particular, but I digress.

What can be lost in the shuffle is the remnants of slavery and then the decades long abuse of Democrats, the lingering effects are still present....and they dominate AA culture.  That is why we see immigrants from all places around the world, and notably from Africa, emmigrate here and enjoy success.... they do not carry the baggage of Democrat abuse within their culture.

SO......the dominant factor, of many in play, remains the AA culture....and how we fix THAT

[GutterBoy 2,899]

16 minutes ago, RLLD said:

blah blah I'm not racist you are blah blah

 

Culturally, as I have posted with supporting links, there appears to be an issue with AA culture.  Do you have a link that might refute what I have provided in terms of linked sources?

Your link describes how the over representation of young, poor un-wed mothers is not good for society.  I would agree, as would 99% of people.

Does this mean that there is an issue with black culture?  hardly.  Does it mean that blacks have no one to blame but themselves? Of course not.

[MDC 7,426]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Well first, lets get this part out of the way.  The first question might be, do I think racism still exists.....and the answer is yes.

The follow on question might be, well then does it play a role in holding people back. That answer is more complicated. I do not think we can say racism is never impacting, so it likely exists out there. Not limited to any single group, nor toward any single group. But in any analysis one should never rely on a univariate assessment.  Society, and people, are complex. There are MANY elements that contribute to success and failure.

I think perhaps my answer might be......systemic racism is no longer a relevant point. We managed to fight off the Democrats and their decades of racist policies.  Now, I might point out that many of their current policies seem to often do more harm than good for AA's in particular, but I digress.

What can be lost in the shuffle is the remnants of slavery and then the decades long abuse of Democrats, the lingering effects are still present....and they dominate AA culture.  That is why we see immigrants from all places around the world, and notably from Africa, emmigrate here and enjoy success.... they do not carry the baggage of Democrat abuse within their culture.

SO......the dominant factor, of many in play, remains the AA culture....and how we fix THAT

The baggage of Democrat abuse. You’re such a clown.  

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, MDC said:

The baggage of Democrat abuse. You’re such a clown.  

Interesting.  Do you deny that the primary abuser of AA's in our history were Democrats? Or do you deny that the remants of that abuse linger today?

[MDC 7,426]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Interesting.  Do you deny that the primary abuser of AA's in our history were Democrats? Or do you deny that the remants of that abuse linger today?

I think there’s plenty of blame to go around and you’re a flailing hack. HTH

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Your link describes how the over representation of young, poor un-wed mothers is not good for society.  I would agree, as would 99% of people.

Does this mean that there is an issue with black culture?  hardly.  Does it mean that blacks have no one to blame but themselves? Of course not.

Thank you for a moderately thoughtful reply.

The link does more than what you are asserting, but lets hash your point out.  Prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 the AA double-parent household rate was in pretty good shape, and getting even better....and with it socieconomic outcomes.  The Brookings institute points to this as being 1 of 3 key factors promoting success in society.  And so it is rather important. So much so that we do hear a nice drum beat of folks pointing to the importance and value of fathers, and with regard to young men in particular, helping their eventual success.  Since we agree on this point, the question arises how can we help folks, all of them everywhere, make better choices to avoid this pitfall?

You have not yet changed my mind that culture is the main driver, is it the only one, of course not. But it is the biggest part, can have the biggest impact toward improvement. 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

I think there’s plenty of blame to go around and you’re a flailing hack. HTH

That is not an answer.  Moreover, it could appear to be a dodge.  So I ask again.....

Do you deny that the primary abuser of AA's in our history were Democrats? Or do you deny that the remants of that abuse linger today?

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

16 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

So when you posted that it was "by and large a race thing", you weren't being serious?  

Basically every single big city is D run, correct?   Why is it when a city like Balt has issues like this, it's a Democrat policy issue?  So the other cities run by Dems not having similar issues it's what exactly?  Just curious - are liberal havens like Oregon struggling with math or do you just pick and choose when you blame Dems? 

Jacksonville is an example of a R run city in a R run state - no issues with math there in minority communities?   I know they have similar or worse crime numbers than those evil Democratic cities, but I'm sure they are crushing it in education.  

 

 

When you take that out of context, well yeah, that's what you get.  You chose to ignore the rest of the statement.  The next sentence said what?  It's said, "Not across the whole race, but it's more prevalent among black folks... but it stems from a culture issue and a culture that has listened to Democrats for 70 years."

You and I both agree it's a culture issue, you said so earlier in this thread that you think it's a culture issue.  I simply pointed out that the culture was created by the dominance of their culture putting faith in the Democrat party.  That's why black people struggle in this country.

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You and I both agree it's a culture issue, you said so earlier in this thread that you think it's a culture issue.  I simply pointed out that the culture was created by the dominance of their culture putting faith in the Democrat party.  That's why black people struggle in this country.

 

I am less invested in that assertion. I think it goes back much farther in time.  Sure, the Democrats have failed, and continue to fail, this community of people.  They elevate feelings and perception above honest solutions.

But we have to accept that the origins of this cultural cancer goes way...way...back.   The attempts by Democrats to pretend it away, avoid the hard truths, throw money at it are naturally ineffective.  They are not solutions. 

[Voltaire 5,316]

8 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

What is Biden doing? Killing all the kids in Baltimore that can pass the basic test?

We're coming full circle and everything is starting to make sense now. The problem isn't Baltimore schools. This situation occurs because Baltimore is where Biden goes when he wants to make human sacrifices to Baal.

Personally, I'd choose the drug dealers, troublemakers, and dropouts rather than the ones that can pass the state math exam, but I'm not in charge of the selection process. I guess if you're out to kill the smart ones, you have no choice.

[MDC 7,426]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

That is not an answer.  Moreover, it could appear to be a dodge.  So I ask again.....

Do you deny that the primary abuser of AA's in our history were Democrats? Or do you deny that the remants of that abuse linger today?

I think the political party of people who supported slavery and abused AAs in the 1800s is irrelevant today. I didn’t answer your question because it’s obviously a stupid question. 

 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

I think the political party of people who supported slavery and abused AAs in the 1800s is irrelevant today. I didn’t answer your question because it’s obviously a stupid question. 

 

I tend to disagree.  Have you ever hear the term Generational Trauma?  I think we have to accept that the mistakes, well....criminal activities, of those folks back in time has a footprint today that needs to be addressed.  You did not answer my question because you know it will force you into an admission you cannot make, because your hypocrisy is as always....on full display.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

Did you go to Baltimore schools?  Because you severely lack comprehension skills.  Last week you tried to tell me that a video contained something it didn't, so I'll have to spell this out to you...

 

 

So you say you don't think blacks are genetically inferior, but then you go back to blaming culture and saying that they have no excuses for making bad decisions, to which I replied

Suggesting that maybe you do believe they are genetically inferior.

Get it? 

Now you can still say you're still not on that boat, but if you're gonna blame blacks for their own problems, say they make bad choices, and there is nothing holding them back but themselves, then I wonder why you think they continue to make bad choices, if you wanna keep digging that hole you're in.

 

Gutter, if I may, I think you’re missing the target slightly here.

I tried to nip this in the bud with my breakdown on page one. We’ve hard these discussions many times in the last ~15 years (god I’m old  ) and they pretty much always play out the same way.

You’ve got your outright racists who insist that blacks are simply genetically inferior and they stick by that. The worst of the worst, if you will.

Then you’ve got guys like RLLD who claim it’s not necessarily genetics (because they’re able to see how toxic that argument is), but you see it’s simply the black upbringing and culture.

Which is still alarmingly racist and paternalistic, but it sounds a little better. The ultimate point, though, is that whites are still better than blacks. They still get to have their white supremacy but it sounds more palatable.

So RLLD isn’t necessarily saying blacks are genetically inferior (though he will get close upon occasion), he’s just saying they are racially inferior to whites because they don’t have the good sense and upbringing of the superior race. So it’s okay, you see

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Gutter, if I may, I think you’re missing the target slightly here.

I tried to nip this in the bud with my breakdown on page one. We’ve hard these discussions many times in the last ~15 years (god I’m old  ) and they pretty much always play out the same way.

You’ve got your outright racists who insist that blacks are simply genetically inferior and they stick by that. The worst of the worst, if you will.

Then you’ve got guys like RLLD who claim it’s not necessarily genetics (because they’re able to see how toxic that argument is), but you see it’s simply the black upbringing and culture.

Which is still alarmingly racist and paternalistic, but it sounds a little better. The ultimate point, though, is that whites are still better than blacks. They still get to have their white supremacy but it sounds more palatable.

So RLLD isn’t necessarily saying blacks are genetically inferior (though he will get close upon occasion), he’s just saying they are racially inferior to whites because they don’t have the good sense and upbringing of the superior race. So it’s okay, you see

Yeah I get it, agree.

But he slipped up by saying that there is no "magical force" that causes blacks to make worse decisions than whites (his words not mine), intimating that they aren't capable of making good decisions, which is why I responded with the "now we're back to genetically inferior" that he thought I was suggesting.

Either way I'm about done here, it's not a productive or fun discussion.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

21 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

What about all the democratic policies in New Hampshire, Vermont? Care to explain that? Safest states in the country and it's as left as it gets. What's the difference? Come on the answer is right in front of you, you can do it.

Can you name some of these policies?

[MDC 7,426]

17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I tend to disagree.  Have you ever hear the term Generational Trauma?  I think we have to accept that the mistakes, well....criminal activities, of those folks back in time has a footprint today that needs to be addressed.  You did not answer my question because you know it will force you into an admission you cannot make, because your hypocrisy is as always....on full display.

My take is that historically speaking on up through today neither party is blameless or can take the high road. You disagree because you’re a partisan hack. I hope that clears it up. Want me to draw you a picture?  

[listen2me 23 1,873]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

I often vote Republican in local elections. Not that I think they have solutions to problems like fixing the school system (they don’t), moreso to break up the monopoly on local leadership.

I’d be all ears if anyone had concrete suggestions on improving the education system. I’m not seeing any in this thread though. “Parent better!” isn’t wrong it’s just not an actionable plan.

I doubt there is a "quick" fix.  Societal issue.  We are breeding no personal responsibilities.  Not to mention the way social media is going.  Kids are distracted more than ever these days. 

Covid shutdowns and zoom learning that the teacher's union pushed hard probably didn't help either.   

[KSB2424 3,148]

Fatherless / Broken Homes.  #1 Root Cause.  Common sense and statistics all say the same thing. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

58 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

I am less invested in that assertion. I think it goes back much farther in time.  Sure, the Democrats have failed, and continue to fail, this community of people.  They elevate feelings and perception above honest solutions.

But we have to accept that the origins of this cultural cancer goes way...way...back.   The attempts by Democrats to pretend it away, avoid the hard truths, throw money at it are naturally ineffective.  They are not solutions. 

Historically, you are correct, but things are very different today... and over the last 70 years, than they were the prior hundred.  Black people today have tons of opportunities, they just have to go get them.  Even the poor ones.  Go to school, get good grades, & graduate.  That's all they need to do.  They can go to a community college.  You can even get 4 year degrees from community colleges today.  They never have to leave their homes.  The problem is that too many buy the racist bull crap and how the country is against them, they continue to stay in their ways instead of advancing their livlihoods.

[jerryskids 6,798]

45 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Gutter, if I may, I think you’re missing the target slightly here.

I tried to nip this in the bud with my breakdown on page one. We’ve hard these discussions many times in the last ~15 years (god I’m old  ) and they pretty much always play out the same way.

You’ve got your outright racists who insist that blacks are simply genetically inferior and they stick by that. The worst of the worst, if you will.

Then you’ve got guys like RLLD who claim it’s not necessarily genetics (because they’re able to see how toxic that argument is), but you see it’s simply the black upbringing and culture.

Which is still alarmingly racist and paternalistic, but it sounds a little better. The ultimate point, though, is that whites are still better than blacks. They still get to have their white supremacy but it sounds more palatable.

So RLLD isn’t necessarily saying blacks are genetically inferior (though he will get close upon occasion), he’s just saying they are racially inferior to whites because they don’t have the good sense and upbringing of the superior race. So it’s okay, you see

You are the Slingblade of discussion boards.  At least Gutter tried to have a productive discussion, until he fell back on "yer a raciss!"

Thankfully, smart people in this field can debate it while you derp your way through a simple belief that fits your world view.

 

[BuckSwope 654]

3 hours ago, RLLD said:

Well first, lets get this part out of the way.  The first question might be, do I think racism still exists.....and the answer is yes.

The follow on question might be, well then does it play a role in holding people back. That answer is more complicated. I do not think we can say racism is never impacting, so it likely exists out there. Not limited to any single group, nor toward any single group. But in any analysis one should never rely on a univariate assessment.  Society, and people, are complex. There are MANY elements that contribute to success and failure.

I think perhaps my answer might be......systemic racism is no longer a relevant point. We managed to fight off the Democrats and their decades of racist policies.  Now, I might point out that many of their current policies seem to often do more harm than good for AA's in particular, but I digress.

What can be lost in the shuffle is the remnants of slavery and then the decades long abuse of Democrats, the lingering effects are still present....and they dominate AA culture.  That is why we see immigrants from all places around the world, and notably from Africa, emmigrate here and enjoy success.... they do not carry the baggage of Democrat abuse within their culture.

SO......the dominant factor, of many in play, remains the AA culture....and how we fix THAT

I come from white trash.  Damn near every problem I see put on the black community in these thresds, I largely see in my family and their "community" - welfare, uneducated, multiple fathers nowhere to be seen, single moms, don't give a crap about school. On and on.  

I don't see it as an AA problem, I see it as a poor and uneducated issue.   Please tell me what is specific to the black community that is not what I describe above and is specific to black people that maybe I am not understanding. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I come from white trash.  Damn near every problem I see put on the black community in these thresds, I largely see in my family and their "community" - welfare, uneducated, multiple fathers nowhere to be seen, single moms, don't give a crap about school. On and on.  

I don't see it as an AA problem, I see it as a poor and uneducated threads.   Please tell me what is specific to the black community that is not what I describe above and is specific to black people that maybe I am not understanding. 

LOL, this is ironic.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Gutter, if I may, I think you’re missing the target slightly here.

I tried to nip this in the bud with my breakdown on page one. We’ve hard these discussions many times in the last ~15 years (god I’m old  ) and they pretty much always play out the same way.

You’ve got your outright racists who insist that blacks are simply genetically inferior and they stick by that. The worst of the worst, if you will.

Then you’ve got guys like RLLD who claim it’s not necessarily genetics (because they’re able to see how toxic that argument is), but you see it’s simply the black upbringing and culture.

Which is still alarmingly racist and paternalistic, but it sounds a little better. The ultimate point, though, is that whites are still better than blacks. They still get to have their white supremacy but it sounds more palatable.

So RLLD isn’t necessarily saying blacks are genetically inferior (though he will get close upon occasion), he’s just saying they are racially inferior to whites because they don’t have the good sense and upbringing of the superior race. So it’s okay, you see

You forgot to mention the virtue signalers.

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16 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I come from white trash.  Damn near every problem I see put on the black community in these thresds, I largely see in my family and their "community" - welfare, uneducated, multiple fathers nowhere to be seen, single moms, don't give a crap about school. On and on.  

I don't see it as an AA problem, I see it as a poor and uneducated threads.   Please tell me what is specific to the black community that is not what I describe above and is specific to black people that maybe I am not understanding. 

Interesting that you don't see that you just described that you, as a (presumably) white person, were able to rise out of such a situation, yet you think it is just shy of hopeless for similar black people to do the same.

Regarding differences in community, we've hashed these out before, but... did you aspire to be a rap artist, treating women like hos?  Did you look at successful white people in traditional society as Uncle Toms who had sold out to the establishment?  Were your parents together, and those of your friends? (Honest question here; obviously I don't know and I don't know how different this is in poor black vs. white communities)

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44 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I doubt there is a "quick" fix.  Societal issue.  We are breeding no personal responsibilities.  Not to mention the way social media is going.  Kids are distracted more than ever these days. 

Covid shutdowns and zoom learning that the teacher's union pushed hard probably didn't help either.   

Agreed

40 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Fatherless / Broken Homes.  #1 Root Cause.  Common sense and statistics all say the same thing. 

Don’t necessarily disagree, but what’s the fix on that?