New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

https://x.com/hugolowell/status/1708855856412987796?s=20

Trump isn’t getting a jury trial in his $250m civil fraud suit brought against him by New York AG James because his legal team didn’t request one on the paperwork

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

https://x.com/hugolowell/status/1708855856412987796?s=20

Trump isn’t getting a jury trial in his $250m civil fraud suit brought against him by New York AG James because his legal team didn’t request one on the paperwork

I believe I predicted precisely that when the claim was brought.  So ewhere around here that old thread is probably still percolating. 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

12 minutes ago, shadrap said:

that is fine.  regardless of the obviously biased judge, prosecutor & I assume the subsequent guilty verdict this will get tossed on appeal.  I'm not an attorney but have dealt with them, banks & real estate for many years.  you know the old saying.  I can prosecute a ham sandwich & this is exactly what is happening.  I also assume that the prosecutor knows it won't survive an appeal, but she ran on getting Trump so you got that.

I won't speak for the other prosecutions but this one does not pass the smell test & will be a legal massive fail.

I don’t know why it would get tossed on appeal. 

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t know why it would get tossed on appeal. 

I will watch this with mild interest.  If Trump did what is commercially customary in valuation of assets for commercial real estate loans, even if it involved substantial puffery which is a legal concept, I don't see where the fraud occured.  If the claim against him is for misvaluing assets for tax purposes and thus not paying sufficient tax I see a victim and a case, but puffery in commercial settings between parties with an expectation that would occur and with the resources to make their own evaluations as to whether they have adequate security for a loan, I don't know.  

 

Right now I am unclear as to what would be the appealable issue, the errors alleged.  If I do end up following this maybe I will learn a little something about commeercial lending.  Then again, maybe not.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

i just checked the CNN front page and counted.  there are 14 articles about trump on the front page.  is rusty the editor?  not one article about biden.

[Gepetto 1,289]

Donald Trump tells the truth; that's why the go after him. 

 

[Mike Honcho 5,097]

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Former President Donald Trump said he will testify at his civil trial, while speaking just outside the court room during a break in proceedings.

“Yes, I will. At the appropriate time I will be” testifying, Trump responded when asked.

Trump is expected to testify later in the trial, and he is on the witness list for both the state and his own legal team.

Trump’s lawyer has previously said he is eager to testify in his own defense.

 

 

I can't believe this isn't going to be televised! 

[BeachGuy23 642]

8 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

I can't believe this isn't going to be televised! 

He can be criminally charged for lying under oath at a civil case right? 

[Mike Honcho 5,097]

13 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

He can be criminally charged for lying under oath at a civil case right? 

Pretty sure---that's what happened to Clinton, right.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

14 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

He can be criminally charged for lying under oath at a civil case right? 

Like Bill Clinton was? 

[BeachGuy23 642]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Like Bill Clinton was? 

Clinton lied to Congress. 

[Mike Honcho 5,097]

How awful must it be to have Trump as a client(that's not including that he stiffs a fair percentage of his lawyers).

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Judge issues gag order and rebukes Trump after social media post attacking his clerk

Judge Arthur Engoron rebuked Donald Trump after the former president attacked his clerk in a social media post on Tuesday and forbade the parties from making any future comments about his staff.

“This morning one of the defendants posted on (a) social media account a disparaging untrue and personally identifying post about a member of my staff. Although I have since ordered the post deleted and apparently it was, it was also emailed out to millions of other recipients,” the judge said in court.

“Personal attacks of any member of my court staff are unacceptable, inappropriate and I will not tolerate them,” the judge said.

Trump looked straight ahead at the judge as he issued the order.

The judge then said all parties must not speak publicly about any members of the court staff.

“Consider this statement an order forbidding all parties from posting, emailing or speaking publicly about any members of my staff,” Engoron said. “Failure to abide by this … will result in serious sanctions.”

Trump posted on Truth Social Tuesday attacking Engoron’s clerk, claiming she was a “girlfriend” to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, and showing a picture of the two of them together.

“How disgraceful!” Trump wrote. “This case should be dismissed immediately.”

It was not immediately clear there was a connection between Engoron’s clerk and Schumer beyond taking a photo.

Monday, Trump also went after the clerk in his comments outside the courtroom, though he didn’t mention her by name.

“And this rogue judge, a Trump hater. The only one that hates Trump more is his associate up there,” Trump said. “The person that works with him. She’s screaming into his ear almost every time we ask a question. A disgrace. It’s a disgrace.”

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

His attorney is a hot piece of ass but I’m not sure about the wisdom of selecting legal counsel based on who has the biggest set of t1ts

[Mike Honcho 5,097]

19 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

His attorney is a hot piece of ass but I’m not sure about the wisdom of selecting legal counsel based on who has the biggest set of t1ts

I hope he has someone with a specialty in "Bird" law. 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

How awful must it be to have Trump as a client(that's not including that he stiffs a fair percentage of his lawyers).

What a terrible human being Trump is. Ruining some innocent clerk’s life? Why do we put up with this crap? 

[shadrap 220]

On 10/2/2023 at 11:23 AM, Hawkeye21 said:

https://x.com/hugolowell/status/1708855856412987796?s=20

Trump isn’t getting a jury trial in his $250m civil fraud suit brought against him by New York AG James because his legal team didn’t request one on the paperwork

” “The statute under which the attorney general sued does not provide for a jury trial, even if both sides want one"

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

4 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Clinton lied to Congress. 

Wrong. He lied in the sexual harassment case Paula Jones brought against him. 

[shadrap 220]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

What a terrible human being Trump is. Ruining some innocent clerk’s life? Why do we put up with this crap? 

ask the attorney general who ran for office on getting Trump.  the charges are bogus and based on politics.  nothing more, nothing less.  I can indict a ham sandwich has never rung truer.

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

Just now, shadrap said:

ask the attorney general who ran for office on getting Trump.  the charges are bogus and based on politics.  nothing more, nothing less.  I can indict a ham sandwich has never rung truer.

Even if you’re right what does it have to do with Trump’s attacking some innocent clerk? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Remember that time Biden ruined an innocent man’s life by claiming he killed his wife and daughter by driving drunk? Why did we put up with that? 

[shadrap 220]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Even if you’re right what does it have to do with Trump’s attacking some innocent clerk? 

bring a man up on stupid charges expect stupid actions.  I don't blame him one bit.  this prosecution is an embarrassment.   have you noticed the banks that Trump supposedly lied to to get loans are not part of the plaintiffs?  huh, wonder why?

[Fnord 2,051]

14 minutes ago, shadrap said:

bring a man up on stupid charges expect stupid actions.  I don't blame him one bit.  this prosecution is an embarrassment.   have you noticed the banks that Trump supposedly lied to to get loans are not part of the plaintiffs?  huh, wonder why?

Translation: EVERYTHING Trump does is justifiable, always.

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

27 minutes ago, shadrap said:

bring a man up on stupid charges expect stupid actions.  I don't blame him one bit.  this prosecution is an embarrassment.   have you noticed the banks that Trump supposedly lied to to get loans are not part of the plaintiffs?  huh, wonder why?

I made my views clear about this trial already. But it doesn’t justify Trump’s actions. I DO blame him because this clerk is an an innocent girl; she had nothing to do with this prosecution and it amazes me that you’re okay with it. Trump is a POS. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

53 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What a terrible human being Trump is. Ruining some innocent clerk’s life? Why do we put up with this crap? 

How exactly is he ruining her life?

[Patented Phil 1,469]

She’s a 38 year old political hack disguised as an unbiased Prosecutor.  Fock her.  She deserves to be called out.  Time to start shaming the shamers.

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

19 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

She’s a 38 year old political hack disguised as an unbiased Prosecutor.  Fock her.  She deserves to be called out.  Time to start shaming the shamers.

She’s a clerk not a prosecutor. And she works for the judge. And I can’t believe some of the posts I’m reading. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

57 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

She’s a clerk not a prosecutor. And she works for the judge. And I can’t believe some of the posts I’m reading. 

They’re focking idiots.

And malicious.

So this is what you get  

[HellToupee 1,587]

banana republic stuff
 

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

They’re focking idiots.

And malicious.

So this is what you get  

JFC, you @sshole.  We're f@cking malicious?  You've been going after Trump with nothing more than rumours and innuendo since 2015. 

And that's just for starters.  GTFO, you imbecile.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

banana republic stuff
 

 

That can’t be true. Maybe she’s his beard, but not his girlfriend. Pointing it out isn’t an attack. It’s pointing it out. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

All the time, money, and energy focused on a “supposed” crime, that has no victim and doesn’t make common sense.  The lenders, did their due diligence and were paid back WITH interest and are happy.  
 

Meanwhile in D.C. violent crime is up 38%.  NYC, crime is up as well, but the District Attorney is bringing up CIVIL CASES on the behalf of……  

Trump, Biden, but this is complete nonsense.  100% politically motivated and any person with an ounce of American integrity should call it out for what it is.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

13 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

They’re focking idiots.

And malicious.

So this is what you get  

They're trash people.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

7 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

JFC, you @sshole.  We're f@cking malicious?  You've been going after Trump with nothing more than rumours and innuendo since 2015. 

And that's just for starters.  GTFO, you imbecile.

Trump is a public figure.

You’re going after some random nobody law clerk.

So YOU get the fock out of here, dipsh1t

[HellToupee 1,587]

6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Trump is a public figure.

You’re going after some random nobody law clerk.

So YOU get the fock out of here, dipsh1t

Don’t go sashaying around with your boyfriend senator . Maybe Schumer should be more careful stepping out with his side piece 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Trump is a public figure.

You’re going after some random nobody law clerk.

So YOU get the fock out of here, dipsh1t

She’s not random. She’s working on his case and it looks that she may be biased. Would you want someone biased against you working on your case? 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

I will never understand the loyalty and defense of Trump. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I will never understand the loyalty and defense of Trump. 

I will never understand the loyalty and defense of Biden. 

[HellToupee 1,587]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I will never understand the loyalty and defense of Trump. 

I will never understand the loyalty and defense of Ukraine first

 

 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

35 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I will never understand the loyalty and defense of Biden. 

I agree. I’m not one of those people. In fact, I don’t personally know one of those people.

Edit: My sister-in-law might be one. At least she use to be. She lives in the the Twin Cities so I’m not surprised. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

27 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I will never understand the loyalty and defense of Ukraine first

 

 

I can understand that.