No racism here. Nope, Not at all.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

16 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Pretending your depiction of AA's as being lesser and needing the help of white people exposes you for the racist you are, you can deflect all you want.  You see them as being unable, incapable and lesser.....it defines modern liberalism and you suckle at that teat.  Look, its fine, pretend you are some champion helping the less capable all you want.  But I assure you, they are not less capable at all.

This is rich, considering just last week you spent an entire day telling us how inferior blacks are to whites, but you wouldn't blame genetics, you went with "culture" and everyone knew exactly what you meant.

But today you're falsely saying the same sh1t about me with no evidence in another thread.

I can see you're still bitter about last week.

Own your words bruh, be a man.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

7 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Exactly what he's saying. Racism is ok in the name of diversity. Not based on merit, but diversity.

Of course you're going to assume that POC don't get jobs based on merit, only diversity

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

This is rich, considering just last week you spent an entire day telling us how inferior blacks are to whites, but you wouldn't blame genetics, you went with "culture" and everyone knew exactly what you meant.

But today you're falsely saying the same sh1t about me with no evidence in another thread.

I can see you're still bitter about last week.

Own your words bruh, be a man.

Lying about what I said will get you nothing.  If YOU decide to translate my words into something else that simply further defines YOU, not merely as a liar but it also reinforced your racist thoughts. 

Projection, you are little more than a child pretending to be a man, and projecting that on others. Your behavior is demonstrative of immaturity. The more you post your vile thoughts, the less you are seen to be. 

[BuckSwope 654]

9 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Weird how leftists have such low expectations for African Americans. They seem to think in lockstep that they can’t succeed in school without dumbing down the curriculum, can’t get into college without adjusting the standards, can’t get a job without applying affirmative action, can’t get drivers licenses to vote. It’s the fault of systemic racism which is ironic because the left controls all of these racist systems. 

It's sort of odd that all the focus is yet again on black people, but they weren't even the ones who benefitted the most from all these hires.  

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

It's sort of odd that all the focus is yet again on black people, but they weren't even the ones who benefitted the most from all these hires.  

I think it was something of a failed attempt at correlation in order to poke fun at the dogma of "representation".   Often the positions of liberals fail when applied more broadly, and can come back to haunt them in unexpected ways.  Sometimes it can be fun to put situations next to each other to highlight the problem with the logic, though it can tend to undervalue the seriousness of the negative outcomes from these policies...

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Lying about what I said will get you nothing.  If YOU decide to translate my words into something else that simply further defines YOU, not merely as a liar but it also reinforced your racist thoughts. 

Projection, you are little more than a child pretending to be a man, and projecting that on others. Your behavior is demonstrative of immaturity. The more you post your vile thoughts, the less you are seen to be. 

Eloquently and perfectly said. 

[crackattack 520]

12 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Of course you're going to assume that POC don't get jobs based on merit, only diversity

Not at all. But your argument is it's ok to discriminate in the name of diversity. That's your argument, not mine.

[Nomad99 742]

57 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Not at all. But your argument is it's ok to discriminate in the name of diversity. That's your argument, not mine.

He can't turn that cart around no matter how he spins it. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Lying about what I said will get you nothing.  If YOU decide to translate my words into something else that simply further defines YOU, not merely as a liar but it also reinforced your racist thoughts. 

Projection, you are little more than a child pretending to be a man, and projecting that on others. Your behavior is demonstrative of immaturity. The more you post your vile thoughts, the less you are seen to be. 

This is either next level trolling or you're absolutely clueless.  Let's break it down...

 

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

you spent an entire day telling us how inferior blacks are to whites, but you wouldn't blame genetics, you went with "culture" and everyone knew exactly what you meant.

 

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Lying about what I said will get you nothing. 

 

On 9/19/2023 at 12:27 PM, RLLD said:

The family unit within the AA community is unhealthy.  The damage is done.  We have to stop pretending that the AA culture has not been ruined to a large extent, and the things held up as good are out of alignment with actual good.

 

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Projection, you are little more than a child pretending to be a man, and projecting that on others. Your behavior is demonstrative of immaturity. The more you post your vile thoughts, the less you are seen to be. 

 

12 hours ago, RLLD said:

You see there are those people who see AA’a as lesser because of their skin color…. So they treat them as lesser….that is what people like gutter do

 

Now here is where I'm calling you to task.  Show me my words where I said that blacks are lesser because of their skin color.  And then show me again where I treat blacks as lesser people.

Of course you can't do either of these, which proves what a hypocrite you are, and YOU are the one doing the projection here, not me.  Now kindly go fock yourself.

[RLLD 4,230]

14 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

This is either next level trolling or you're absolutely clueless.  Let's break it down...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now here is where I'm calling you to task.  Show me my words where I said that blacks are lesser because of their skin color.  And then show me again where I treat blacks as lesser people.

Of course you can't do either of these, which proves what a hypocrite you are, and YOU are the on doing the projection here, not me.  Now kindly go fock yourself.

 

Let's start with this statement first, and more....much more....will follow....

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No it's not, there are factors.  First, in order for it to be racist by most definitions, then then your race would have to be a minority or disadvantaged status.  I'm assuming you're white, so we'll take that off the table.  Next, what is the reasoning.  Do they want someone who is non white, because whites are inferior to other races, then yes that would be racist.  Or do they want non whites because they are currently mostly white, and they are looking for some different traits, experiences and knowledge that other races might be able to provide?  Not racist.

1) You automatically assume "minority" = disadvantaged, but we know very well this is not true. So you are equating their place based on their race.  Then you assumed someone was white, and then based your assessment of their place on that factor....the color of their skin, when we know very well that there are plenty of folks spanning a range of factors who are disadvantaged. Selecting people as you are suggesting, based on their traits instead of their merits, is textbook racism.....from the origins of the Democrat party.

 

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GutterBoy

Posted yesterday at 07:16 AM

Of course not. Black people bad. White man good.

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

 

Let's start with this statement first, and more....much more....will follow....

1) You automatically assume "minority" = disadvantaged, but we know very well this is not true.

Come on man.  We all know that black families in poor urban areas are at a disadvantage to rich white middle class people.  And it's not because of the color of their skin, it's because of their socioeconomic standing.  Same goes to poor latino immigrants, etc.

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Then you assumed someone was white, and then based your assessment of their place on that factor....the color of their skin, when we know very well that there are plenty of folks spanning a range of factors who are disadvantaged. Selecting people as you are suggesting, based on their traits instead of their merits, is textbook racism.....from the origins of the Democrat party.

 

No, I'm using facts and data.

 Of the individuals living in communities which exceed 10 or more threshold criteria, 39% are Black or African American, 1.1% are American Indian or Alaska Native, and 24% are Hispanic/Latino, although these communities only make up 11%, 0.5% and 16% of the US population, respectively.

https://rhg.com/research/justice40-initiative-mapping-race-and-ethnicity-updated

So I just showed you the data that minorities are more disadvantaged than whites, so you wanna try again here?

You either show me my words where I said blacks are lesser people than whites and I treat them as lesser people, or you apologize and go about your day.

[RogerDodger 798]

Tiny has major reading comprehension issues. The sooner you acknowledge that fact the sooner you'll stop wasting time talking past his tiny brain.  

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Come on man.  We all know that black families in poor urban areas are at a disadvantage to rich white middle class people.  And it's not because of the color of their skin, it's because of their socioeconomic standing.  Same goes to poor latino immigrants, etc.

No, I'm using facts and data.

 Of the individuals living in communities which exceed 10 or more threshold criteria, 39% are Black or African American, 1.1% are American Indian or Alaska Native, and 24% are Hispanic/Latino, although these communities only make up 11%, 0.5% and 16% of the US population, respectively.

https://rhg.com/research/justice40-initiative-mapping-race-and-ethnicity-updated

So I just showed you the data that minorities are more disadvantaged than whites, so you wanna try again here?

You either show me my words where I said blacks are lesser people than whites and I treat them as lesser people, or you apologize and go about your day.

Nice try, your words are only too clear. 

No it's not, there are factors.  First, in order for it to be racist by most definitions, then then your race would have to be a minority or disadvantaged status.  I'm assuming you're white, so we'll take that off the table.  Next, what is the reasoning.  Do they want someone who is non white, because whites are inferior to other races, then yes that would be racist.  Or do they want non whites because they are currently mostly white, and they are looking for some different traits, experiences and knowledge that other races might be able to provide?  Not racist.

And tell you what, lets use the definition YOU provided for fun

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a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

 So YOU see race as the factor....... YOU delineate peoples place by race, and that makes YOU.......a racist.....    Now you may want to trot around and point your finger everywhere else, and try to pretend and project all you want.....but we know very well what you are, and we can see the damage people like you are capable of to these folks....

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Come on man.  We all know that black families in poor urban areas are at a disadvantage to rich white middle class people.  And it's not because of the color of their skin, it's because of their socioeconomic standing.  Same goes to poor latino immigrants, etc.

No, I'm using facts and data.

 Of the individuals living in communities which exceed 10 or more threshold criteria, 39% are Black or African American, 1.1% are American Indian or Alaska Native, and 24% are Hispanic/Latino, although these communities only make up 11%, 0.5% and 16% of the US population, respectively.

https://rhg.com/research/justice40-initiative-mapping-race-and-ethnicity-updated

So I just showed you the data that minorities are more disadvantaged than whites, so you wanna try again here?

You either show me my words where I said blacks are lesser people than whites and I treat them as lesser people, or you apologize and go about your day.

What about poor white people in urban areas?

I like how you conveniently forget about them as if black people are the only poor people in America.  In fact, there's probably more poor white people than there are black people.

GTFO, you f'n racist.

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Come on man.  We all know that black families in poor urban areas are at a disadvantage to rich white middle class people.  And it's not because of the color of their skin, it's because of their socioeconomic standing.  Same goes to poor latino immigrants, etc.

I amlost missed this.....you are almost being truthful here.  And as a result I am going to be a fair participant (that means I wont use your immature antics).   I submit there is much more to this than your oversimplified depiction.  That there are multiple influences. And those influences start with government, now you can pretend the Democrats have done no harm all you want, but to my eyes they are pointedly harmful.  

We have a clear idea as to what it takes to escape poverty.   So then, its a problem derived from complex factors, but has a rather simple solution.

[Strike 5,539]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Come on man.  We all know that black families in poor urban areas are at a disadvantage to rich white middle class people.  And it's not because of the color of their skin, it's because of their socioeconomic standing.  Same goes to poor latino immigrants, etc.

 

Same goes to ALL poor people, regardless of color or immigration status.  So what?  That's the way the world works . There isn't a country on Earth where a rich person with a supportive family is at a disadvantage to poor people.  There will ALWAYS be poor people, at least relative to the rich people around them.  Again, so what?  All this country promises is opportunity, and we have the most opportunity of any country on Earth.  That's the difference between those of us opposed to this type of crap and people such as yourself.  We want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome.  The problem is, equality of outcome = race to the bottom.  We should be racing to the top, not the bottom.

[RLLD 4,230]

3 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Tiny has major reading comprehension issues. The sooner you acknowledge that fact the sooner you'll stop wasting time talking past his tiny brain.  

I think Gutter is not worthless.  I think any racist deserves a shot at redemption, we cannot just discard people because they make a mistake.

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, Strike said:

Same goes to ALL poor people, regardless of color or immigration status.  So what?  That's the way the world works . There isn't a country on Earth where a rich person with a supportive family is at a disadvantage to poor people.  There will ALWAYS be poor people, at least relative to the rich people around them.  Again, so what?  All this country promises is opportunity, and we have the most opportunity of any country on Earth.  That's the difference between those of us opposed to this type of crap and people such as yourself.  We want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome.  The problem is, equality of outcome = race to the bottom.  We should be racing to the top, not the bottom.

 

Correct.  And from the urban areas, to Appalachia to the midwest...poverty hits a variety of people across the spectrum, and it hits due to factors that do not include race as the primary driver.  This we can easily see.

What I think is distinctive is that the government is not out in those other areas taking actions that result in worse outcomes. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Nice try, your words are only too clear. 

No it's not, there are factors.  First, in order for it to be racist by most definitions, then then your race would have to be a minority or disadvantaged status.  I'm assuming you're white, so we'll take that off the table.  Next, what is the reasoning.  Do they want someone who is non white, because whites are inferior to other races, then yes that would be racist.  Or do they want non whites because they are currently mostly white, and they are looking for some different traits, experiences and knowledge that other races might be able to provide?  Not racist.

And tell you what, lets use the definition YOU provided for fun

 So YOU see race as the factor....... YOU delineate peoples place by race, and that makes YOU.......a racist.....    Now you may want to trot around and point your finger everywhere else, and try to pretend and project all you want.....but we know very well what you are, and we can see the damage people like you are capable of to these folks....

So you can't produce my words saying that I think blacks are lesser people and that I treat them as lesser people, nor will you admit you're wrong.  Now you're just a liar, I just proved it, and everyone sees it.  

If you're not gonna try and have an honest discussion, then no reason to continue.  Seriously you can eat a d1ck, focking garbage person you are.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

So you can't produce my words saying that I think blacks are lesser people and that I treat them as lesser people, nor will you admit you're wrong.  Now you're just a liar, I just proved it, and everyone sees it.  

If you're not gonna try and have an honest discussion, then no reason to continue.  Seriously you can eat a d1ck, focking garbage person you are.

Gets upset and takes ball home.  

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

So you can't produce my words saying that I think blacks are lesser people and that I treat them as lesser people, nor will you admit you're wrong.  Now you're just a liar, I just proved it, and everyone sees it.  

If you're not gonna try and have an honest discussion, then no reason to continue.  Seriously you can eat a d1ck, focking garbage person you are.

I have provided them, and I used YOUR logic to do so by the way. So how does that feel?

[seafoam1 3,023]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Gets upset and takes ball home.  

It is guttermutt after all. 

[RogerDodger 798]

24 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So you can't produce my words saying that I think blacks are lesser people and that I treat them as lesser people, nor will you admit you're wrong.  Now you're just a liar, I just proved it, and everyone sees it.  

If you're not gonna try and have an honest discussion, then no reason to continue.  Seriously you can eat a d1ck, focking garbage person you are.

Who is everyone?  I see several people taking issue with your tiny brain logic and several others making fun of you.  Where is everyone else you're talking about, in your head?

[Fnord 2,265]

20 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Wow.  I'm shocked. 

Y'know, Fnord, there might be hope for you yet. 

Some of the bored conservatives would be shocked if they knew how much I agree with them on many issues. Unfortunately, the biggest issue I see is Donald Trump, and I will almost certainly never agree that he is anything other than a repugnant scourge to our great nation. I'm open to having my mind changed about that, but my opinion of him has never done anything but sink since 2015.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101]

10 hours ago, Strike said:

Same goes to ALL poor people, regardless of color or immigration status.  So what?  That's the way the world works . There isn't a country on Earth where a rich person with a supportive family is at a disadvantage to poor people.  There will ALWAYS be poor people, at least relative to the rich people around them.  Again, so what?  All this country promises is opportunity, and we have the most opportunity of any country on Earth.  That's the difference between those of us opposed to this type of crap and people such as yourself.  We want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome.  The problem is, equality of outcome = race to the bottom.  We should be racing to the top, not the bottom.

To people like Gutter, "rich" is the person that makes $1 more an hour than he does. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

White suburban dad that doesn’t live near any black people, work with any or god forbid their kids go to school with any to the rescue! 

[Fireballer 2,642]

58 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Some of the bored conservatives would be shocked if they knew how much I agree with them on many issues. Unfortunately, the biggest issue I see is Donald Trump, and I will almost certainly never agree that he is anything other than a repugnant scourge to our great nation. I'm open to having my mind changed about that, but my opinion of him has never done anything but sink since 2015.

Unfortunately, he is less of a repugnant scourge than the alternatives.  We’re fuked all around

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

Burp

[nobody 2,672]

4 hours ago, RLLD said:

Pretending your depiction of AA's as being lesser and needing the help of white people exposes you for the racist you are, you can deflect all you want.  You see them as being unable, incapable and lesser.....it defines modern liberalism and you suckle at that teat.  Look, its fine, pretend you are some champion helping the less capable all you want.  But I assure you, they are not less capable at all.

Gutter is another one of those guys that doesn't know how to not be racist.

I'm sure it's difficult for them to just decide to not be racist.  This type of mentality where they think black people are incapable of success without everyone's help is the result.  

Gutter and team, it's easy.  Just treat people equally and judge people based on merit.  It'll be tough for you folks that are biased, but you don't have to go out of your way to show how racist you aren't.  You don't have to give people things.  It is probably appropriate to put in some processes to make sure your biases are kept in check, but you guys are being way too extra because you don't want to be racist which is admirable since you are already ahead of the 90skid and seafoam types, but you just don't know how.  

[Reality 3,121]

Soft bigotry of low expectations.

[seafoam1 3,023]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Some of the bored conservatives would be shocked if they knew how much I agree with them on many issues. Unfortunately, the biggest issue I see is Donald Trump, and I will almost certainly never agree that he is anything other than a repugnant scourge to our great nation. I'm open to having my mind changed about that, but my opinion of him has never done anything but sink since 2015.

TRUMP!!! 

It never ends. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

4 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

This is rich, considering just last week you spent an entire day telling us how inferior blacks are to whites, but you wouldn't blame genetics, you went with "culture" and everyone knew exactly what you meant.

 

 

 

[RLLD 4,230]

17 minutes ago, nobody said:

Gutter is another one of those guys that doesn't know how to not be racist.

I'm sure it's difficult for them to just decide to not be racist.  This type of mentality where they think black people are incapable of success without everyone's help is the result.  

Gutter and team, it's easy.  Just treat people equally and judge people based on merit.  It'll be tough for you folks that are biased, but you don't have to go out of your way to show how racist you aren't.  You don't have to give people things.  It is probably appropriate to put in some processes to make sure your biases are kept in check, but you guys are being way too extra because you don't want to be racist which is admirable since you are already ahead of the 90skid and seafoam types, but you just don't know how.  

There is another element to this line of argument that I am patiently waiting to be used, not going to play it out, willing to wait since it sets up another point that refutes his argument even further.  Sorry for being mysterious, but liberals happily walk into logic traps and I prefer not give them opportunity to avoid it 

[Nomad99 742]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

So you can't produce my words saying that I think blacks are lesser people and that I treat them as lesser people, nor will you admit you're wrong.  Now you're just a liar, I just proved it, and everyone sees it.  

If you're not gonna try and have an honest discussion, then no reason to continue.  Seriously you can eat a d1ck, focking garbage person you are.

You are all on board with diversity. Diversity, in it's current manifestation, puts color & race above ability & qualifications. THAT IS RACIST. 

If you had a workplace heavily populated with one particular race......needed more employees.......had a pool of applicants.....from a range of races......ALL EQUALLY QUALIFIED....and decide to DIVERSIFY your workforce by hiring more of a particular race to balance the numbers.....you have an argument. If you try to balance your workforce by hiring LESS QUALIFIED APPLICANTS SOLEY BASED ON COLOR....that's RACIST.

And the kicker.......If you needed life saving surgery.....you wouldn't settle for a lesser qualified surgeon based on numbers.....you would want the most qualified person available. If you disagree......you're a lier.....and a racist. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

Who is everyone?  I see several people taking issue with your tiny brain logic and several others making fun of you.  Where is everyone else you're talking about, in your head?

What you see are the same maga ass holes with gutter hard ons piling on.

If there is anyone here that I respect that takes issue with my position, I'll listen.

[RogerDodger 798]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

What you see are the same maga ass holes with gutter hard ons piling on.

If there is anyone here that I respect that takes issue with my position, I'll listen.

So when you say everyone it's not really everyone.  It's a select few that, in your mind, are respectable and might agree with you.  But no one has so it's in your imagination.  Got it.  

[GutterBoy 2,899]

15 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

So when you say everyone it's not really everyone.  It's a select few that, in your mind, are respectable and might agree with you.  But no one has so it's in your imagination.  Got it.  

I would assume that everyone sees RLLD's hypocrisy and lies, but won't admit it because it's more fun to call me racist and pile on, like you're doing.

[RogerDodger 798]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I would assume.

In other words, you imagine.  

Words are so difficult for you.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

The hero no one asked for. Sad to see American men that have the same views as people much younger than them. Especially younger women. All the great societies let the inexperienced ones dictate.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101]

6 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

I would assume that everyone sees RLLD's hypocrisy and lies, but won't admit it because it's more fun to call me racist and pile on, like you're doing.

BECAUSE YOU ARE A F'N RACIST!!

That's not even debatable you sad sack of shite.