NCAA proposes subdivisions

[cmh6476 1,010]

https://theathletic.com/5114092/2023/12/05/ncaa-subdivision-athlete-compensation-charlie-baker/

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NCAA president Charlie Baker on Tuesday proposed the creation of a new subdivision within Division I that would allow the highest-resource schools the ability to compensate athletes directly through a trust fund and direct name, image and likeness (NIL) payments.

The groundbreaking proposal was sent out to Division I members and obtained by The Athletic on Tuesday morning, and it included the following recommendations:

The formation of a new subdivision made up of institutions with the highest resources that can directly compensate athletes through an “enhanced educational trust fund,” which requires the schools that opt into it an investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes. Schools would have to adhere to

Title IX, providing equal monetary opportunities to both female and male athletes.

Schools in the new subdivision could create their own rules separate from the rest of D-I, and those rules would allow them the ability to address policies such as scholarship limits and roster size as well as transfers and NIL.

Any Division I school would be able to enter into an NIL deal with its athletes directly, which is not currently permissible.

Any Division I school would be able to distribute to any athlete funding related to educational benefits without any caps on such compensation.

These recommendations from Baker come amid mounting pressure to allow schools to directly compensate their athletes, and as the NCAA is facing significant legal challenges to its model. In the letter to D-I members, Baker calls his proposal a “forward-looking framework” that “gives the educational institutions with the most visibility, the most financial resources and the biggest brands an opportunity to choose to operate with a different set of rules that more accurately reflect their scale and their operating model.”

 

[cmh6476 1,010]

Hey @posty, I think you made a comment as my son was considering schools, that it was goofy (paraphrasing) to choose a school based on athletics.

If this goes through, why wouldn't you as a college kid go to the cool school that pays professional athletes, rather than some small school with lesser athletes and lesser competition. 

[frank 2,276]

Conform or be cast out. 

[Gepetto 1,289]

I want the NCAA to die. Anything that helps the NCAA is bad. They are not needed.

[weepaws 3,157]

Giving those young people that much money, seems very dangerous.  

[RLLD 4,143]

In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out
Subdivisions
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out

[nobody 2,566]

6 hours ago, cmh6476 said:

Hey @posty, I think you made a comment as my son was considering schools, that it was goofy (paraphrasing) to choose a school based on athletics.

If this goes through, why wouldn't you as a college kid go to the cool school that pays professional athletes, rather than some small school with lesser athletes and lesser competition. 

Is your son an athlete that would be getting paid?  Otherwise, who cares if they're paying athletes?  I'd rather go to cal tech or princeton than a school that pays their athletes. 

[MLCKAA 545]

Would seemingly bring about the death of college athletics as we know it.  I particularly don’t like thinking about how this would affect March Madness.

[cmh6476 1,010]

2 hours ago, nobody said:

Is your son an athlete that would be getting paid?  Otherwise, who cares if they're paying athletes?  I'd rather go to cal tech or princeton than a school that pays their athletes. 

I mentioned my son was looking at KU and K-State as a couple options.  He's really talking about who is going to be QB for the teams while he's there, what basketball program should be better.  Not necessarily as a final determining factor, but just something to consider as he wants the best overall experience.  I think posty's response was "that's a dumb reason to choose a college" 

[edjr 6,578]

NCAA president Charlie Baker

Is that the Charlie Baker from Maskachusetts?

[KSB2424 3,148]

College Athletics as we used to know it is broken.  Just end the facade of semi-pro sports in colleges and create Developmental Leagues for kids who have a possibility of making athletics a career after HS.  Europe does this with elite soccer players.  

Universities can have sports and play other schools but it’s for students who go there for an education.  

[edjr 6,578]

2 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

College Athletics as we used to know it is broken.  Just end the facade of semi-pro sports in colleges and create Developmental Leagues for kids who have a possibility of making athletics a career after HS.  Europe does this with elite soccer players.  

Universities can have sports and play other schools but it’s for students who go there for an education.  

It had been broken forever. Allowing coaches to change schools whenever they want, after recruiting kids and the kids having to stay there was wrong. 

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

The NIL, The Portal, Kids in colleges who shouldn’t nor really want to be there.  To much money.  It’s a complete sham.

Expand the NBA Developmental League and The NFL needs a Developmental League. Similar to the Minor Leagues in Baseball or Training Academies for Soccer.  This is for the H.S. Kids who think and want to make athletics their profession. 
 

ETA:  and universities can still have sports.  They just won’t have the ELITE players out of HS there.  There is no NIL or Portal or CFP Committee or all that nonsense.  No multi-million dollar coaches.  Look, kids don’t go to Army and Navy for football alone.  And it’s not always the BEST football but it still has the same pageantry and the stadium is full and the students love it.  It’s just NOT semi-pro football.  

[Strike 5,204]

If they do this I'm going back to college as a female athlete.  I've got 4 years of eligibility left.  $$$$$$$

[edjr 6,578]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

If they do this I'm going back to college as a female athlete.  I've got 4 years of eligibility left.  $$$$$$$

 

[Voltaire 5,202]

2 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

The NIL, The Portal, Kids in colleges who shouldn’t nor really want to be there.  To much money.  It’s a complete sham.

Expand the NBA Developmental League and The NFL needs a Developmental League. Similar to the Minor Leagues in Baseball or Training Academies for Soccer.  This is for the H.S. Kids who think and want to make athletics their profession. 
 

ETA:  and universities can still have sports.  They just won’t have the ELITE players out of HS there.  There is no NIL or Portal or CFP Committee or all that nonsense.  No multi-million dollar coaches.  Look, kids don’t go to Army and Navy for football alone.  And it’s not always the BEST football but it still has the same pageantry and the stadium is full and the students love it.  It’s just NOT semi-pro football.  

And now so many sh*tbags are quitting/transferring on their schools/teammates during Bowl season.

Some 24 year old "kid" on his 4th college team... fock off. It's all collapsing...

[HellToupee 1,588]

3 hours ago, edjr said:

NCAA president Charlie Baker

Is that the Charlie Baker from Maskachusetts?

Yup.

Horrible governor, imo

[edjr 6,578]

4 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Yup.

Horrible governor, imo

For Maskachusetts, one of the best we ever had. 

[Cdub100 3,838]

NCAA should get rid of conferences and go to a regulation system.

[posty 2,612]

14 hours ago, cmh6476 said:

Hey @posty, I think you made a comment as my son was considering schools, that it was goofy (paraphrasing) to choose a school based on athletics.

If this goes through, why wouldn't you as a college kid go to the cool school that pays professional athletes, rather than some small school with lesser athletes and lesser competition. 

I would still choose a school based on the education that I could get...

But the NCAA is a fustercluck now with NIL, paying kids, etc...  It is a damn shame what it has become...

[Tree of Knowledge 1,705]

6 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

The NIL, The Portal, Kids in colleges who shouldn’t nor really want to be there.  To much money.  It’s a complete sham.

Expand the NBA Developmental League and The NFL needs a Developmental League. Similar to the Minor Leagues in Baseball or Training Academies for Soccer.  This is for the H.S. Kids who think and want to make athletics their profession. 
 

ETA:  and universities can still have sports.  They just won’t have the ELITE players out of HS there.  There is no NIL or Portal or CFP Committee or all that nonsense.  No multi-million dollar coaches.  Look, kids don’t go to Army and Navy for football alone.  And it’s not always the BEST football but it still has the same pageantry and the stadium is full and the students love it.  It’s just NOT semi-pro football.  

The ratings will be the same as minor league baseball.  NIL and the portal ruined college football and basketball.  We will soon see the lesser sports suffer.  It’s not going to end well. 

[Voltaire 5,202]

So much accumulating bullsh*t going on and ruining college sports.