Bye Bye Nikki

[jonmx 2,429]

8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Nailed it! It’s the liberals’ fault the Trumpers are trying to knock her out of the primary  

It was a nonsensical observation.  Nikki Haley was always Trump's enemy in this whole process.  It is the leftist who have flipped.  Nikki has been the media darling in this campaign to beat Trump in the primary.   Trumpeters could not care less who is to blame for her downfall.  

[Fnord 2,264]

11 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

This is not communism driven up by the poor masses wishing to destroy private ownership.    This is really close to fascism as Mussillini defined it. It is authoritarianism is driven by the rich elitists who wish to centralize power into the federal executive branch which they control and their mega monopolistic corporations. 

Who better to accomplish these goals than Donald Trump? He's perfect!

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

10 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

 

The idiot leftist like Tim supports, have redefined fascism to only mean nationalistic and racist elements, but those elements are meaningless in how the power is actually structured.  Idiots like Tim confuses the means power is taken with what the actual end result is.   The end result is a fascist state where the government is ruled through an alliance of the corporate-state.   The rich elitists are not going to give up their wealth and power and their mega corporations will live on and have the puppet strings of the all-powerful federal executive branch.

Yeah I’m an idiot for thinking that fascism is nationalistic and racist. I’ve redefined it to mean those things. It’s not every respectable historian of the 20th century who has done this, only idiot leftists like me. You’re such a laughable tool. 

[Mike Honcho 5,269]

7 hours ago, nobody said:

I remember getting into this 20 years ago.  The articles of succession literally say they are seceding over the right to own slaves.

Call it states rights if you want, but it's a distinction without a difference.  It was for the southern state's right to own slaves. 

The north didn't care about slavery for the most part as much as it was to keep the south from seceding (which the south had every right to do).

How does the south have every right to secede. I don't see anything in the constitution that would give a state the ability to just say I'm out, whenever they wanted.  At best, the only way to constitutionally secede would be via a vote.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

Fascists are known for letting people that don’t vote for them out of prison and cutting taxes and staying out of wars. It’s the playbook. 

[jonmx 2,429]

16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah I’m an idiot for thinking that fascism is nationalistic and racist. I’ve redefined it to mean those things. It’s not every respectable historian of the 20th century who has done this, only idiot leftists like me. You’re such a laughable tool. 

 

You have been manipulated into your beliefs.  You 100 percent believe whatever the estsblishment media, intel agencies, big corporations, government officials tell you.  Mussolini is the founder of fascism and did not define it that way.  It has been redefined by these fascist institutions you so trust to try to reframe the word to mean any nationalistic principle, even if those nationalistic beliefs are centered around  believing in the freedoms and equality as outline in our Constitution.  The real fascist, those who believe in a strong all-powerful central authority controlled by their corporate masters, have fooled you.  Yes, you are an idiot who supports actual fascism and are too stupid to realize it. 

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

How does the south have every right to secede. I don't see anything in the constitution that would give a state the ability to just say I'm out, whenever they wanted.  At best, the only way to constitutionally secede would be via a vote.  

Toranaga: There is no right to rebel against your liege lord. 
 

Blackthorne: Unless you win. 
 

Succession is not a constitutional right. But there is an argument to be made that it is a moral right, otherwise the United States would never have been established in the first place. On the other hand, Lincoln made the argument that a democratic republic such as ours cannot long survive if we ever grant the right of succession to anyone who chooses. Ironically, during the Civil War the Confederacy attempted to crush the secession of West Virginia from the state of Virginia arguing that only states and not groups of people had the right to secede. It’s very much an open question but I side with Lincoln. 

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

You have been manipulated into your beliefs.  You 100 percent believe whatever the estsblishment media, intel agencies, big corporations, government officials tell you.  Mussolini is the founder of fascism and did not define it that way.  It has been redefined by these fascist institutions you so trust to try to reframe the word to mean any nationalistic principle, even if those nationalistic beliefs are centered around  believing in the freedoms and equality as outline in our Constitution.  The real fascist, those who believe in a strong all-powerful central authority controlled by their corporate masters, have fooled you.  Yes, you are an idiot who supports actual fascism and are too stupid to realize it. 

Actually you are the one being manipulated, not me. But I know you will never be convinced of that. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

The civil war, like many wars, was an instance of the rich getting the poor to fight  for the interests of the rich. Like Longshanks said in Braveheart : “Arrows cost money, send in the Irish”.  

[IGotWorms 4,058]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Actually you are the one being manipulated, not me. But I know you will never be convinced of that. 

It’s quite easy to tell, actually.

Who are the ones parroting social media posts all the time?

Because that is outright, admitted manipulation via algorithm.

Smart people know this.

[jonmx 2,429]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Actually you are the one being manipulated, not me. But I know you will never be convinced of that. 

You are an idiot.  I understand the difference between freedom and authoritarianism.   You have been fed such a convoluted pile of BS, you now equate freedom with fascism.  

When you get to the end of a proof and you end up with 2+2=5, you need to go back and rethink your life.  

[jonmx 2,429]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s quite easy to tell, actually.

Who are the ones parroting social media posts all the time?

Because that is outright, admitted manipulation via algorithm.

Smart people know this.

What about f-ing buffoon you are.  I am not quoting anyone.  As I just said to Tim, I understand the difference between  freedom and authoritarianism.   You have been fed such  a convoluted pile of BS, you now equate freedom with fascism.   You have become nothing but an idiot bootlicker to your masters.  

[IGotWorms 4,058]

6 minutes ago, jonmx said:

What about f-ing buffoon you are.  I am not quoting anyone.  As I just said to Tim, I understand the difference between  freedom and authoritarianism.   You have been fed such  a convoluted pile of BS, you now equate freedom with fascism.   You have become nothing but an idiot bootlicker to your masters.  

You actually don’t just repost a bunch of Twitter nonsense, but most right wingers here do.

However, you are obviously a lunatic. No rational person posts like this.

A smart lunatic with original content at least, but a lunatic nonetheless 

[squistion 2,197]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

You actually don’t just repost a bunch of Twitter nonsense, but most right wingers here do.

However, you are obviously a lunatic. No rational person posts like this.

A smart lunatic with original content at least, but a lunatic nonetheless 

Seriously.

What kind of bizarro world has this thread drifted into where someone thinks Democrats and liberals are Mussolini type fascists? 

[jonmx 2,429]

11 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You actually don’t just repost a bunch of Twitter nonsense, but most right wingers here do.

However, you are obviously a lunatic. No rational person posts like this.

A smart lunatic with original content at least, but a lunatic nonetheless 

 

Unfortunately I am not a lunatic, but am very good at stepping back and seeing the big picture.   I am a skeptic of nearly everything and I have been lied to so many times by the media and our government.  I understand why they lie and what the end game is, and it is not pretty.    

[jonmx 2,429]

You should all read the Doctrine of Fascism by Mussolini.   There is a lot of stuff we are mimicking. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,099]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

She stepped in and gets her turn. She isn’t handling it well

You talking about worms?

[Fnord 2,264]

18 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

Unfortunately I am not a lunatic, but am very good at stepping back and seeing the big picture.   I am a skeptic of nearly everything and I have been lied to so many times by the media and our government.  I understand why they lie and what the end game is, and it is not pretty.    

Nah. You've just chosen a different, more egregious set of liars, and swallowed it like the worm at the bottom of the tequila bottle. Now you're drunk on it.

Know how I know this? Because no matter what, you INSIST on truths that are untrue (like every liberal is a fascist), with zero inclination to listen to anything someone that disagrees with you says. Then your immediate response when being called out is to throw around nasty names and accusations instead of actually being thoughtful or empathetic about someone else's position. You're pretty much the definition of a useful idiot. I just can't figure out what you're useful for.

[OldMaid 2,130]

We legitimately have crazy people posting on this forum now, and I’m not talking GFIAFP crazy. So much hate being spewed and tossed around in every thread… I’m frankly surprised Mikey hasn’t just shut it down. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

26 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

Unfortunately I am not a lunatic, but am very good at stepping back and seeing the big picture.   I am a skeptic of nearly everything and I have been lied to so many times by the media and our government.  I understand why they lie and what the end game is, and it is not pretty.    

You’re not entirely wrong but you are far too conspiracy minded and one sided in your views. Like to the point of pathology 

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

 

Unfortunately I am not a lunatic

Unfortunately? Lol. 
 

Im sure you’re not a lunatic in real life. But your political views are IMO, way out there. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Pardons have generally been given when the convicted person has accepted full responsibility for their acts, has shown genuine remorse, and has shown exemplary character subsequent to the conviction.  There are exceptions, of course.  Commutations have generally been given when age and health are factors.  Basically one could be thought of as justice and the other mercy.  A commutation may be appropriate in this instance.  A pardon seems less appropriate. The record remains intact but the person of an ex-president is not incarcerated or under the jurisdictcion of the courts and prisons if the sentence is commuted..

[jonmx 2,429]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

You’re not entirely wrong but you are far too conspiracy minded and one sided in your views. Like to the point of pathology 

 

It is called paying attention.   If you do not think there are egotistical greedy power-hungry people working to take control over the entire population, you are extremely naive and are ignoring the entire history of the human race.   These are the bastards who rise up through our public and corporate institutions.  They are like-minded elitists who believe they are superior to the average person and need to control everything. 

- They believe they need to control what information we have access to.

- They believe they must control what can be said.

- They believe they are the arbitrators of truth.

- They believe they need to control our consumption 

- They believe they need to control our numbers.

They have huge meetings which they discuss their plans behind closed doors.   They have think tanks which publish papers and which are important inputs into much of their plans.  They have been systematically destroying every Constitutional protection we have with the ultimate goal is to internationalize their power.  It is not really a secret if you read what they say and write.   But most of the masses don't have time to pay attention and are just brainwashed by the 'news'.  Our Constitutional rights and freedoms will be meaningless in the next decade.  

[Fnord 2,264]

33 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

It is called paying attention.   If you do not think there are egotistical greedy power-hungry people working to take control over the entire population, you are extremely naive and are ignoring the entire history of the human race.   These are the bastards who rise up through our public and corporate institutions.  They are like-minded elitists who believe they are superior to the average person and need to control everything. 

- They believe they need to control what information we have access to.

- They believe they must control what can be said.

- They believe they are the arbitrators of truth.

- They believe they need to control our consumption 

- They believe they need to control our numbers.

They have huge meetings which they discuss their plans behind closed doors.   They have think tanks which publish papers and which are important inputs into much of their plans.  They have been systematically destroying every Constitutional protection we have with the ultimate goal is to internationalize their power.  It is not really a secret if you read what they say and write.   But most of the masses don't have time to pay attention and are just brainwashed by the 'news'.  Our Constitutional rights and freedoms will be meaningless in the next decade.  

20+ years ago I would have agreed with all of this, right down to your last statement. That was before 9/11 even. Then I realized that while the gist of what you're saying is true, the scope just isn't. And if you think (which you do) that one political party and its' adherents are primarily at fault, you're being willfully gaslighted. We're on the same team Jon, whether you acknowledge it or not.

[HellToupee 1,773]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

Seriously.

What kind of bizarro world has this thread drifted into where someone thinks Democrats and liberals are Mussolini type fascists? 

Open your eyes schittbird

[squistion 2,197]

5 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Open your eyes schittbird

I bet you are this crass, crude, and vulger with your family, friends, neighbors and coworkers. 

[jonmx 2,429]

49 minutes ago, Fnord said:

20+ years ago I would have agreed with all of this, right down to your last statement. That was before 9/11 even. Then I realized that while the gist of what you're saying is true, the scope just isn't. And if you think (which you do) that one political party and its' adherents are primarily at fault, you're being willfully gaslighted. We're on the same team Jon, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Where have I ever blamed one party?   Never.  I blame establishment elitists who work to increase the power of mega corporations and centralized government.  Some of the biggest authoritarian bastards were Republicans including both the Bush's.  The best who fought the establishment was a Democrat in JFK.   In recent history, the Democrats have moved from having a strong anti-establishment wing to being in full lockstep with the corporate-government fascist movement.   Sorry to hear you have moved into the evil camp.   I am starting to believe that it is quite possible that our intelligence apparatus had more than enough info to stop 9-11, but instead used it to take more power.  That is the level of evil that is consistent with not only their history of but also the present actions of the upper levels of our FBI and CIA.   JFK was right when he expressed they needed to be broken up into 1000 pieces.   I suppose JFK was a conspiracy nut too, just like IKE was, RFK was and even Nixon too.   All a bunch of nuts who warned us of the dangers of these agencies.   

[5-Points 3,526]

8 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

How does the south have every right to secede. I don't see anything in the constitution that would give a state the ability to just say I'm out, whenever they wanted.  At best, the only way to constitutionally secede would be via a vote.  

It's not in the Constitution but it would be hypocritical to say this when declaring our independence and not live up to it afterwards:

 "WHEN in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
          We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security..."

 

[BrahmaBulls 763]

4 hours ago, squistion said:

I bet you are this crass, crude, and vulger with your family, friends, neighbors and coworkers. 

Probably just with internet a$$holes.  

[HellToupee 1,773]

4 hours ago, squistion said:

I bet you are this crass, crude, and vulger with your family, friends, neighbors and coworkers. 

Only if they were ball-less silly SOBs like you 

[zsasz 369]

8 hours ago, jonmx said:

 

Unfortunately I am not a lunatic, but am very good at stepping back and seeing the big picture.   I am a skeptic of nearly everything and I have been lied to so many times by the media and our government.  I understand why they lie and what the end game is, and it is not pretty.    

That's exactly what a lunatic would say who was trying to hide that he was a lunatic.  

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

54 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

It's not in the Constitution but it would be hypocritical to say this when declaring our independence and not live up to it afterwards:

 "WHEN in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
          We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security..."

 

The statement itself is hypocritical because it was written by a slave owner. But that aside it became even more hypocritical once the United States was established, since every state had to abide by federal law, the Constitution and the Supreme Court. 
A society based on the rule of law cannot function if anyone has the right to bow out if that law at any time. Now, it would have been one thing if southerners had said, “we can’t live in the United States, we’re leaving,• and then they packed up and left, like the Boertrekkers or the Mormons did. But southerners didn’t leave; they stayed where they were and said “we’re no longer part of your government.” That, said Lincoln, was untenable, and he was right. 

[Mike Hunt 282]

Trying to figure out all the commercials bashing Haley and DeSantis.  Are they from Dems or GOP?

I know the Dems are very afraid of Trump so that makes no sense bashing his opponents. Seems like they would want anyone but Trump on the ticket.

[Mike Hunt 282]

10 hours ago, thegeneral said:

This isn’t really a concern just a headline. Then she appears to be flubbing it further.

 

Dear lord she can`t be any worse than all of Biden blunders.  This is so sad that are options are so weak. 

[5-Points 3,526]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

The statement itself is hypocritical because it was written by a slave owner. But that aside it became even more hypocritical once the United States was established, since every state had to abide by federal law, the Constitution and the Supreme Court. 
A society based on the rule of law cannot function if anyone has the right to bow out if that law at any time. Now, it would have been one thing if southerners had said, “we can’t live in the United States, we’re leaving,• and then they packed up and left, like the Boertrekkers or the Mormons did. But southerners didn’t leave; they stayed where they were and said “we’re no longer part of your government.” That, said Lincoln, was untenable, and he was right. 

Every state that wished to be a part of the United States. According to our Declaration of Independence, should a state choose to no longer be a part of the United States, that state has the right and obligation to do what it's citizens see fit for their future security. 

The South chose to stay? We're they supposed to saw off the bottom half of the country? They decided the government they were being ruled by no longer had their best interests at heart and decided to alter or abolish it. They weren't allowed to. 

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

22 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Every state that wished to be a part of the United States. According to our Declaration of Independence, should a state choose to no longer be a part of the United States, that state has the right and obligation to do what it's citizens see fit for their future security. 

The South chose to stay? We're they supposed to saw off the bottom half of the country? They decided the government they were being ruled by no longer had their best interests at heart and decided to alter or abolish it. They weren't allowed to. 

You’re aware that when Virginia seceded, what is now the state of West Virginia didn’t go along with it? That they attempted to secede from Virginia but the Confederacy crushed the rebellion? 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

6 hours ago, jonmx said:

Where have I ever blamed one party?   Never.  I blame establishment elitists who work to increase the power of mega corporations and centralized government.  Some of the biggest authoritarian bastards were Republicans including both the Bush's.  The best who fought the establishment was a Democrat in JFK.   In recent history, the Democrats have moved from having a strong anti-establishment wing to being in full lockstep with the corporate-government fascist movement.   Sorry to hear you have moved into the evil camp.   I am starting to believe that it is quite possible that our intelligence apparatus had more than enough info to stop 9-11, but instead used it to take more power.  That is the level of evil that is consistent with not only their history of but also the present actions of the upper levels of our FBI and CIA.   JFK was right when he expressed they needed to be broken up into 1000 pieces.   I suppose JFK was a conspiracy nut too, just like IKE was, RFK was and even Nixon too.   All a bunch of nuts who warned us of the dangers of these agencies.   

I know for a fact that some wealthy, connected business people in NYC had actionable intelligence about 9/11 - on 9/10.  I know this because they acted on it - with me - on 9/10.  Queue the insane emoji, but it happened, and there is NO WAY it was coincidence.

[5-Points 3,526]

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re aware that when Virginia seceded, what is now the state of West Virginia didn’t go along with it? That they attempted to secede from Virginia but the Confederacy crushed the rebellion? 

All I'm saying is, if we expected the British to honor the principles stipulated in the Declaration of Independence, the U.S government is obligated to do the same. I mean, we declared those truths to be self evident. We can't declare them to be buIIshit now. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

1 hour ago, Patented Phil said:

I know for a fact that some wealthy, connected business people in NYC had actionable intelligence about 9/11 - on 9/10.  I know this because they acted on it - with me - on 9/10.  Queue the insane emoji, but it happened, and there is NO WAY it was coincidence.

George Bush had actionable intel in august of 2001. 

[Mike Honcho 5,269]

14 hours ago, 5-Points said:

It's not in the Constitution but it would be hypocritical to say this when declaring our independence and not live up to it afterwards:

 "WHEN in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
          We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security..."

 

There is a big difference though, is that the revolutionary war started because they were being taxed but had no representation in Parliament. The south was represented, they just didn't like the results of certain votes that were going to lead to the end of slavery.