Let's discuss the NFL's divisional round matchups

[kilroy69 1,216]

23 minutes ago, edjr said:

What do you want them to do from February through August? Study?  

I think they should make them full time employees and they should be in workshops/ camps most of the rest of the year honing their craft.  There should be a ref school that operates year around. If a crew is not performing they need to be sent back to ref school for a refresher. 

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On 1/17/2024 at 8:18 AM, cmh6476 said:

Mahomes doesn't have the weapons he's had in past years.  And he doesn't have the weapons that Detroit has.  He's still getting the job done though. 

You do realize that Goff has a winning record in the playoffs and has been to a Super Bowl, right?

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49ers (-9.5) vs Packers

Ravens (-8.5) vs Texans

 

This makes no sense. Texans should be getting twice what the Packers are. 

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21 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

For a team that has won 2 titles in 50 years Packers fans like to talk trash.  With those back to back HOF QB’s in that division you would think they would have won more. Whole lotta choking went down. 

Truth.

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14 hours ago, Gepetto said:

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

2023 1st Team All-Pro 

Antoine Winfield Jr., Tampa Bay

Tell me Pro Bowl nominations are meaningless, without telling me Pro Bowl nominations are meaningless....

"Antoine Winfield Jr. didn't make the Pro Bowl this year."

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19 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You do realize that Goff has a winning record in the playoffs and has been to a Super Bowl, right?

Yeah, and he was the first overall pick in the draft.  So was Jamarcus Russell.  So was Alex Smith.

I still think the comparison to Alex Smith is fair.  It's not a terrible comparison, both can win but they can't do it on their own in my opinion, like upper echelon QBs can like Brady, and Peyton Manning and now Mahomes.  

I've been asking myself the last few years, if Mahomes is this generation's Tom Brady, who is the Peyton Manning?  Or even Roethlisberger or even Eli?  One of these guys I keep feeling is going to compete with Mahomes a lot in meaningful playoff games.  Is that Josh Allen?  Burrow?  A young guy like Stroud or Tua?

You can build a super bowl winning team without a top 2 or 3 QB.  But what I've witnessed is that if you have a top 2 or 3 QB you will consistently find yourself competing for a conference championship.  Jared Goff is fine, if that's what you want.  But he's not let's go to six straight conference championships good.

 

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1 minute ago, cmh6476 said:

Yeah, and he was the first overall pick in the draft.  So was Jamarcus Russell.  So was Alex Smith.

I still think the comparison to Alex Smith is fair.  It's not a terrible comparison, both can win but they can't do it on their own in my opinion, like upper echelon QBs can like Brady, and Peyton Manning and now Mahomes.  

I've been asking myself the last few years, if Mahomes is this generation's Tom Brady, who is the Peyton Manning?  Or even Roethlisberger or even Eli?  One of these guys I keep feeling is going to compete with Mahomes a lot in meaningful playoff games.  Is that Josh Allen?  Burrow?  A young guy like Stroud or Tua?

You can build a super bowl winning team without a top 2 or 3 QB.  But what I've witnessed is that if you have a top 2 or 3 QB you will consistently find yourself competing for a conference championship.  Jared Goff is fine, if that's what you want.  But he's not let's go to six straight conference championships good.

 

Your bar is ridiculous.

You can count on 1 hand how many QB's made it to 6 straight conference championship games... comparing ANY QB to that standard is preposterous.

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5 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Yeah, and he was the first overall pick in the draft.  So was Jamarcus Russell.  So was Alex Smith.

I still think the comparison to Alex Smith is fair.  It's not a terrible comparison, both can win but they can't do it on their own in my opinion, like upper echelon QBs can like Brady, and Peyton Manning and now Mahomes.  

I've been asking myself the last few years, if Mahomes is this generation's Tom Brady, who is the Peyton Manning?  Or even Roethlisberger or even Eli?  One of these guys I keep feeling is going to compete with Mahomes a lot in meaningful playoff games.  Is that Josh Allen?  Burrow?  A young guy like Stroud or Tua?

You can build a super bowl winning team without a top 2 or 3 QB.  But what I've witnessed is that if you have a top 2 or 3 QB you will consistently find yourself competing for a conference championship.  Jared Goff is fine, if that's what you want.  But he's not let's go to six straight conference championships good.

 

Playing in a shitt division helps too. 

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22 hours ago, MDC said:

Niners fans are incredibly smug for a fanbase that last one a title during Clinton’s first term. 

The 49ers went through horrid front office management for about 20 years. Harbaugh resurrected the team and some players (a smith in particular). i think they beat bal with smith

22 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

I know they have had some good rosters and go there a couple times.  But yeah 30 years thats a bit.  

GB certainly should have more.  But they do have 2 since SFs last.  

Harbaugh got them to 1 sb, plus 2 NFCC games. at the time sea and sf were very similar teams

Shanny has gotten them to 1 sb, plus 2 NFCC games. unfortunately they could not hold late leads vs KC nor the rams.

21 hours ago, MDC said:

I’ve seen San Fran fans saying they’d be chasing #7 this year if Purdy didn’t get hurt last season, like protecting your QB isn’t part of the game and they’d have just rolled the Chiefs.

It will be hilarious if they DON’T win a chip. 

I don't think a SB was a given, but we had a somewhat even game with the 3rd string qb. think went to hell with Josh johnson, then   cmc at qb. so yes, i think there was a good shot that sf advances with jimmy (played well when lance went down) or purdy.

21 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

I mean they have the number 1 passer in rating by 8 pts over the 2nd QB.  Best RB.  2 1st round very good WRs.  Kittle.  An already HOFer at LT.  2 of the top 6 pass rushers in the league.  2 of the top 6 LBers in the league.  The best coach.   

It would be all time choke to lose at home to a 7th seed youngest team in league with a QB who started 1 game before this year.  

That would be bad.  

sure, talent is there. can't call anything a choke until the game is played.

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4 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

The 49ers went through horrid front office management for about 20 years. Harbaugh resurrected the team and some players (a smith in particular). i think they beat bal with smith

Harbaugh got them to 1 sb, plus 2 NFCC games. at the time sea and sf were very similar teams

Shanny has gotten them to 1 sb, plus 2 NFCC games. unfortunately they could not hold late leads vs KC nor the rams.

I don't think a SB was a given, but we had a somewhat even game with the 3rd string qb. think went to hell with Josh johnson, then   cmc at qb. so yes, i think there was a good shot that sf advances with jimmy (played well when lance went down) or purdy.

sure, talent is there. can't call anything a choke until the game is played.

It would certainly be a choke to lose to these toddler packers.  Of course if packers won on some fluke stuff maybe not.  Anything else would be a choke job when looking at the 2 rosters.   

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

It would certainly be a choke to lose to these toddler packers.  Of course if packers won on some fluke stuff maybe not.  Anything else would be a choke job when looking at the 2 rosters.   

i think it will depend upon how the game plays out.

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5 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

I don't think a SB was a given, but we had a somewhat even game with the 3rd string qb. think went to hell with Josh johnson, then   cmc at qb. so yes, i think there was a good shot that sf advances with jimmy (played well when lance went down) or purdy.

Good shot sure. But many 49ers fans are saying they WOULD have won that game if Purdy didn’t get hurt. Which is sort of laughable since Philly was much better last year, SF wasn’t quite as good, and protecting your QB is part of the game.

We’ll see this year. In the minds of quite a few Niner fans they absolutely should have won the SB last year and are the class of the league with not one but 2 MVPs, so anything short of a chip should be seen as a colossal choke job. 

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12 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

i think it will depend upon how the game plays out.

Choke jobs come in many forms.  But for a team like the 9ers, and rested, at home....losing to a 7th seed (gb 1st 7th seed to win a playoff game), almost missed the playoff, youngest team in league, rookies playing everywhere.....it would be something.  If you don't want to auto call it a choke job thats fair.  But itd be pretty bad for the 9ers to end your season with such SB hopes vs this team....

Plus they added Chase in season.  Lol.  

Packers start a 2nd year 7th rounder at LT.   

It truly is david vs goliath. 

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18 minutes ago, MDC said:

Good shot sure. But many 49ers fans are saying they WOULD have won that game if Purdy didn’t get hurt. Which is sort of laughable since Philly was much better last year, SF wasn’t quite as good, and protecting your QB is part of the game.

This is a fallacy They were evenly match (i do think the 49ers had positional advantages).

We’ll see this year. In the minds of quite a few Niner fans they absolutely should have won the SB last year and are the class of the league with not one but 2 MVPs, so anything short of a chip should be seen as a colossal choke job. 

 

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59 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Your bar is ridiculous.

You can count on 1 hand how many QB's made it to 6 straight conference championship games... comparing ANY QB to that standard is preposterous.

I hear ya, but I'm done with washed up and has been QBs.  I want the best of the best forever now on my team

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17 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

 

I meant that last year’s Eagles team was far better than this years, and last year’s Niner team wasn’t as good as this year’s version. I agree they were pretty evenly matched, which makes Whiner fans claiming that they absolutely would have won with Purdy a laugh.

If they don’t win this year we’ll hear about how SF won the Shoulda Woulda Bowl for another offseason.

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57 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Playing in a shitt division helps too. 

are you referring to Brady beating up on the sucky Jets, Bills and Dolphins all those years?  Or Mahomes now beating up on the Broncos, Chargers and Raiders every year?

We go into these years an we don't believe these teams are going to be as bad as they are.  The Chargers come out every year with all world aspirations, just ask @JustinCharge.  Broncos came out with a stout defense and Russell Wilson was going to save them.  And the Raiders fans thought it was them going to take down the Chiefs this year.  None of that happened of course, but at the same time they are still having success in the playoffs, which has nothing to do with who they beat up on in the regular season.

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8 minutes ago, MDC said:

I meant that last year’s Eagles team was far better than this years, and last year’s Niner team wasn’t as good as this year’s version. I agree they were pretty evenly matched,

I agree with these three statements

which makes Whiner fans claiming that they absolutely would have won with Purdy a laugh.

I do not know a lot of 49ers fans who say they would have won. i believe they would have.  what was certain was that working with newer 4th string and rb at qb ensured that they would not.

If they don’t win this year we’ll hear about how SF won the Shoulda Woulda Bowl for another offseason.

For me- it depends upon how the games play out. but yes, they are primed to win one, and i would not mind a second opportunity vs bal (though running qbs have been an issue for "our"d for years)

 

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Diehard lions fan. I voted the bucs to win. I love the team and I hope they prove me wrong. That being said our secondary is awful. I see a 300 yard 3 td performance from Mayfield. Mostly on Cam Suttons coverage. . 

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6 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Diehard lions fan. I voted the bucs to win. I love the team and I hope they prove me wrong. That being said our secondary is awful. I see a 300 yard 3 td performance from Mayfield. Mostly on Cam Suttons coverage. . 

Don’t let last week fool you. Philly’s D is absolutely horrible. 

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6 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Diehard lions fan. I voted the bucs to win. I love the team and I hope they prove me wrong. That being said our secondary is awful. I see a 300 yard 3 td performance from Mayfield. Mostly on Cam Suttons coverage. . 

But...This has been happening for weeks.   Giving up a lot of yards, some WR gets 10 catches and 200 yards, the QB throws for 350.  Yet they are still winning.   I agree the Bucs will get yards, but I also believe the Lions will close down in the red zone, as they have been doing, and there is no issue with their offense scoring

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1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

But...This has been happening for weeks.   Giving up a lot of yards, some WR gets 10 catches and 200 yards, the QB throws for 350.  Yet they are still winning.   I agree the Bucs will get yards, but I also believe the Lions will close down in the red zone, as they have been doing, and there is no issue with their offense scoring

As a Bucs fan, we have Baker Mayfield, so that last part is very true.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

As a Bucs fan, we have Baker Mayfield, so that last part is very true.

Yeah well the Lions just beat a team with a QB better than Mayfield.  So there's that.  Plus, Stafford had an amazing game..played out of his mind...and still lost.

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6 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Diehard lions fan. I voted the bucs to win. I love the team and I hope they prove me wrong. That being said our secondary is awful. I see a 300 yard 3 td performance from Mayfield. Mostly on Cam Suttons coverage. . 

Lot of Steelers fans was upset when Cam left and I was like he's okay but that is way to much money Det is giving him.  I agree and Mayfield should throw all over them.

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To me the picks this week are easy,  Balt and San Fran cover and Tampa wins on points, the somewhat tough one is the Bills and Chiefs game.

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3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Truth.

Lol you and HT take this stuff so serious.  

I always love HT keeping score of which fanbases are allowed to talk.  And how much each one is allowed to talk.  

Giants suck and he sits on the sideline keeping track of whos allowed to talk based on decades ago.  

It cracks me up.  

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29 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Lol you and HT take this stuff so serious.  

I always love HT keeping score of which fanbases are allowed to talk.  And how much each one is allowed to talk.  

Giants suck and he sits on the sideline keeping track of whos allowed to talk based on decades ago.  

It cracks me up.  

I'm just talking smack. 

To note, he's not really wrong.  When I listen to NFL Radio, there's a ton of people (and hosts), who practically orgasm when talking about how great they've been over the last 30 years.  I mean, Tampa has just as many rings in 20 years... yet, crickets.  For all the glory talk they shovel, you'd think they won 8.

 

I mean, I do call people on their b.s., but the rest of it is just general football stuff.  If people say something about the Bucs, and it's wrong or some b.s. narrative, I point it out because I follow the team.  I don't make such remarks about other teams on that level, because I don't follow them closely... it's just usually general banter.

 

I will say, I do find it entertaining that when you say "Eli Manning", HT goes on alert.  You mention to him that Eli is overrated, he'll point out how great he was in 1 of 2 games in his whole .500 career that makes him a H.O.F.'er.  It is entertaining.  Though, a lot of Giants fans are like that.  It's funny, Giants fans wanted him gone, even after '07, but now, he's a hero.  LOL

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9 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'm just talking smack. 

To note, he's not really wrong.  When I listen to NFL Radio, there's a ton of people (and hosts), who practically orgasm when talking about how great they've been over the last 30 years.  I mean, Tampa has just as many rings in 20 years... yet, crickets.  For all the glory talk they shovel, you'd think they won 8.

 

I mean, I do call people on their b.s., but the rest of it is just general football stuff.  If people say something about the Bucs, and it's wrong or some b.s. narrative, I point it out because I follow the team.  I don't make such remarks about other teams on that level, because I don't follow them closely... it's just usually general banter.

 

I will say, I do find it entertaining that when you say "Eli Manning", HT goes on alert.  You mention to him that Eli is overrated, he'll point out how great he was in 1 of 2 games in his whole .500 career that makes him a H.O.F.'er.  It is entertaining.  Though, a lot of Giants fans are like that.  It's funny, Giants fans wanted him gone, even after '07, but now, he's a hero.  LOL

GB should have more.  But 1 team wins the trophy each year.  Not everyone can be a Pats dynasty.  The Packers have been one of the most successful teams in the league for a few decades.  You can minimize it to just SBs, thats fine I suppose, thats what you play for.  No one here would rather be a franchise who won 1 since Rodgers came into the league yet hoping for a better draft pick in half those years to go along with it.    

How many SBs for Favre and Rodgers would suffice?  

You never hear a peep about Brees and Payton and their 1 ring when Brees retired with almost every record. 

The Giants and Packers have both been to 3 SBs winning 2 since FA era began.  

But this is all silly.  Im sittin here BSing and talking about this year......you know like sports fans do.....and its.....oh you talk a lot for a team who won only 2 SBs with top QBs!   Like what?  What does that have to do with this year?  Lol.  Bizarre.   

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11 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

GB should have more.  But 1 team wins the trophy each year.  Not everyone can be a Pats dynasty.  The Packers have been one of the most successful teams in the league for a few decades.  You can minimize it to just SBs, thats fine I suppose, thats what you play for.  No one here would rather be a franchise who won 1 since Rodgers came into the league yet hoping for a better draft pick in half those years to go along with it.    

How many SBs for Favre and Rodgers would suffice?  

You never hear a peep about Brees and Payton and their 1 ring when Brees retired with almost every record. 

The Giants and Packers have both been to 3 SBs winning 2 since FA era began.  

But this is all silly.  Im sittin here BSing and talking about this year......you know like sports fans do.....and its.....oh you talk a lot for a team who won only 2 SBs with top QBs!   Like what?  What does that have to do with this year?  Lol.  Bizarre.   

With 12 teams with no Super Bowl wins and 6 with only one the Packers are not doing to badly with their piddling 2 wins in the last 30 years which ignores their first two and which ignores their total dominance before the Super Bowl era.

 

Me, I'm pretty pleased with my Team's history which matches up against any. It is called the Lombardi trophy for a reason.  There is a reason the trophy for best character is the Bart Starr award.  God did not direct Reggie White to go to Minnesota.

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15 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

With 12 teams with no Super Bowl wins and 6 with only one the Packers are not doing to badly with their piddling 2 wins in the last 30 years which ignores their first two and which ignores their total dominance before the Super Bowl era.

 

Me, I'm pretty pleased with my Team's history which matches up against any. It is called the Lombardi trophy for a reason.  There is a reason the trophy for best character is the Bart Starr award.  God did not direct Reggie White to go to Minnesota.

From a historic perspective, anything prior to the mid 90's is ancient history and really isn't a metric to gauge today by because of free agency and salary cap.  Back in the day, if you got a couple of great players, you were set for forever... today, it's 4 years.

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43 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

GB should have more.  But 1 team wins the trophy each year.  Not everyone can be a Pats dynasty.  The Packers have been one of the most successful teams in the league for a few decades.  You can minimize it to just SBs, thats fine I suppose, thats what you play for.  No one here would rather be a franchise who won 1 since Rodgers came into the league yet hoping for a better draft pick in half those years to go along with it.    

How many SBs for Favre and Rodgers would suffice?  

You never hear a peep about Brees and Payton and their 1 ring when Brees retired with almost every record. 

The Giants and Packers have both been to 3 SBs winning 2 since FA era began.  

But this is all silly.  Im sittin here BSing and talking about this year......you know like sports fans do.....and its.....oh you talk a lot for a team who won only 2 SBs with top QBs!   Like what?  What does that have to do with this year?  Lol.  Bizarre.   

LOL, I only made 1 post with 1 word.  You make it seem like I've been hammering the Packers for 5 pages.

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1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

LOL, I only made 1 post with 1 word.  You make it seem like I've been hammering the Packers for 5 pages.

You took that from my post?  I was quoting you but directing it at HT.  You guys both made a comment so I responded.  If you didn't want to talk about it then you didn't have to respond back.  

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

You took that from my post?  I was quoting you but directing it at HT.  You guys both made a comment so I responded.  If you didn't want to talk about it then you didn't have to respond back.  

My comment was about this line:

But this is all silly.  Im sittin here BSing and talking about this year......you know like sports fans do.....and its.....oh you talk a lot for a team who won only 2 SBs with top QBs!   Like what?  What does that have to do with this year?  Lol.  Bizarre. 

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4 hours ago, cmh6476 said:

are you referring to Brady beating up on the sucky Jets, Bills and Dolphins all those years?  Or Mahomes now beating up on the Broncos, Chargers and Raiders every year?

We go into these years an we don't believe these teams are going to be as bad as they are.  The Chargers come out every year with all world aspirations, just ask @JustinCharge.  Broncos came out with a stout defense and Russell Wilson was going to save them.  And the Raiders fans thought it was them going to take down the Chiefs this year.  None of that happened of course, but at the same time they are still having success in the playoffs, which has nothing to do with who they beat up on in the regular season.

Yes. The Pats had a shitt division during most of their run. As did the Steelers, 49’rs and Cowboys.  It’s a trend with dynasty’s. 

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11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

My comment was about this line:

But this is all silly.  Im sittin here BSing and talking about this year......you know like sports fans do.....and its.....oh you talk a lot for a team who won only 2 SBs with top QBs!   Like what?  What does that have to do with this year?  Lol.  Bizarre. 

You mentioned HT in your post with Eli.  So I responded back with the same.  Was more about him.  Hes done it a lot over the years when thr Giants are home.  

If you couldnt decipher that then maybe I wasn't really clear.  

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4 hours ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Lot of Steelers fans was upset when Cam left and I was like he's okay but that is way to much money Det is giving him.  I agree and Mayfield should throw all over them.

He is so terrible. I am not kidding when I say I would rather throw Jamison Williams out there at corner than watch Sutton get beat like he stole something over and over. Dak literally called him out at the line of scrimmage and then threw his way. When you see the big plays where the CB is just not in the screen it is almost always sutton. All year long. If we can get to the qb and rattle them into bad throws the D has a chance. If sutton is left on an island against evans mayfield is going to roast him. If they roll coverage to suttons side it is going to leave godwin and otten open. I really want this to be the superbowl team. I just have serious concerns based on what I have seen all year long. 

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

You mentioned HT in your post with Eli.  So I responded back with the same.  Was more about him.  Hes done it a lot over the years when thr Giants are home.  

If you couldnt decipher that then maybe I wasn't really clear.  

Can you explain that better? The giants are home? Thanks. 

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8 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

Ed Hochuli is how I know that the nfl refs are part time. They used to make a big deal out of him being a lawyer in his real job. It seems insane to me that the refs are part time employees in a multi billion dollar league. 

I'll do it for $50 bucks.

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3 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

He is so terrible. I am not kidding when I say I would rather throw Jamison Williams out there at corner than watch Sutton get beat like he stole something over and over. Dak literally called him out at the line of scrimmage and then threw his way. When you see the big plays where the CB is just not in the screen it is almost always sutton. All year long. If we can get to the qb and rattle them into bad throws the D has a chance. If sutton is left on an island against evans mayfield is going to roast him. If they roll coverage to suttons side it is going to leave godwin and otten open. I really want this to be the superbowl team. I just have serious concerns based on what I have seen all year long. 

I knew the Lions pass D was bad but didn't know he was a big part. He was decent for Pitt but nothing special and why I thought the money was crazy. Maybe he had a lot of help from Minkah and the Steelers pass rush as well.

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Baltimore 33

Houston 20

 

Detroit 28

TB 24

 

Buffalo 24

KC 21