seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 27, 2024 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Once he admits it isn’t secure, which he has, he should be doing all he can to secure it, immediately. He’s not. He’s playing politics with the nations security. You can see the impending disaster coming a mile away. Apparently, per rusty, it's all Trump's fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted January 27, 2024 2 hours ago, IGotWorms said: Imagine wanting people to think border security is your absolute number one priority, but when presented with a law that would require the president to close it down, you reject it. You must think people are really stupid We don't need a new law to take action at the border. HTH Also, post a link with a detailed list of what's in Biden's new border law. TIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,770 Posted January 27, 2024 3 hours ago, 5-Points said: No we don't. At some point people need to weigh the risk of dying vs the reward of illegally crossing the border and then being deported if caught. It's their decision. If the risk of death becomes so high that the potential reward isn't worth it, the problem will solve itself. It won’t solve itself. People will simply die coming here, the way the Cubans used to drown. You will never make conditions so awful or dangerous that you will stop people from seeking freedom. But even if you could, it would be fundamentally un-American to do so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,439 Posted January 27, 2024 Just now, The Real timschochet said: It won’t solve itself. People will simply die coming here, the way the Cubans used to drown. You will never make conditions so awful or dangerous that you will stop people from seeking freedom. But even if you could, it would be fundamentally un-American to do so. People have been dying coming here. And getting raped and robbed. Why do you care all of a sudden ? Fockin ghoul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,770 Posted January 27, 2024 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: People have been dying coming here. And getting raped and robbed. Why do you care all of a sudden ? Fockin ghoul. I’ve always cared. My entire life. This is a very personal issue for me especially with regard to the asylum seekers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,553 Posted January 27, 2024 Details of this POS bill starting to come out. As expected it will not secure the border. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted January 27, 2024 1 hour ago, seafoam1 said: Apparently, per rusty, it's all Trump's fault. The border was mostly secure under Trump. It was not entirely secure because Trump had his hands tied multiple times by Democrats and never-Trump Republicans. Then Trump is out, Biden comes in, reverses all the policies, and the border becomes totally unsecure.... ... and so Team Biden calls a meeting where all the Democrats and never-Trump get together, talk, don't do anything, and the only thing that comes out of it is they collectively blame Trump for the border being a mess and try to sell it... .. somehow it does sell. But only to people who are predisposed to hate Trump anyways and also lack critical thinking skills. Everybody else sees right through the transparent hypocritical bullsh*t. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,770 Posted January 27, 2024 Just now, Strike said: Details of this POS bill starting to come out. As expected it will not secure the border. Any link? Not a challenge this time; I can’t find any details. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,553 Posted January 27, 2024 6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I’ve always cared. My entire life. This is a very personal issue for me especially with regard to the asylum seekers. Yeah we know. You want as many of your drunk illegal immigrant wife's family to be able to get here as possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted January 27, 2024 2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Any link? Not a challenge this time; I can’t find any details. Ditto. I've been waiting to dig into this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351 Posted January 27, 2024 8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I’ve always cared. My entire life. This is a very personal issue for me especially with regard to the asylum seekers. repeat after me THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ASYLUM SEEKER AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER it cant be more simple stop using TERMS THAT DO NOT MATCH in order to fit an agenda start with that, then we can have a logical discussion 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,553 Posted January 27, 2024 Just now, The Real timschochet said: Any link? Not a challenge this time; I can’t find any details. No. Every time I try to educate you you say it doesn't matter anyways. not wasting my time any more since you admitted yesterday you don't care about wasting it. Educate yourself. For once. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,770 Posted January 27, 2024 1 minute ago, Voltaire said: The border was mostly secure under Trump. It was not entirely secure because Trump had his hands tied multiple times by Democrats and never-Trump Republicans. Then Trump is out, Biden comes in, reverses all the policies, and the border becomes totally unsecure.... ... and so Team Biden calls a meeting where all the Democrats and never-Trump get together, talk, don't do anything, and the only thing that comes out of it is they collectively blame Trump for the border being a mess and try to sell it... .. somehow it does sell. but only to people who are predisposed to hate Trump anyways and also lack critical thinking skills. I don’t share your perspective of this (no surprise!) and I don’t think my critical thinking skills are lacking. I believe a lot of the public are going to blame Trump for wanting this crisis to continue so that he can use it against Biden in the election. I get that most people here won’t think so, but a majority of the public just might. We will see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351 Posted January 27, 2024 Just now, The Real timschochet said: I don’t share your perspective of this (no surprise!) and I don’t think my critical thinking skills are lacking. I believe a lot of the public are going to blame Trump for wanting this crisis to continue so that he can use it against Biden in the election. I get that most people here won’t think so, but a majority of the public just might. We will see. a bill that caps illegals at 5k a day is not what anyone wants Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,770 Posted January 27, 2024 2 minutes ago, Strike said: No. Every time I try to educate you you say it doesn't matter anyways. not wasting my time any more since you admitted yesterday you don't care about wasting it. Educate yourself. For once. I think most people reading this thread would like to know these details, not just me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,770 Posted January 27, 2024 Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said: a bill that caps illegals at 5k a day is not what anyone wants Where does that number come from? How does that relate to past recent figures and past long term figures? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351 Posted January 27, 2024 Just now, The Real timschochet said: Where does that number come from? How does that relate to past recent figures and past long term figures? the current figure is anyone that wants in can currently I am quoting what Ted Cruz was just talking about at a press conference I know you dont want to hear it for him, but Cruz said, hey guys lets release the bill and let the americans read it, but Shumer is blocking that...why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 27, 2024 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: Where does that number come from? How does that relate to past recent figures and past long term figures? Seriously, I'm for zero illegals a day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 27, 2024 Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said: the current figure is anyone that wants in can currently I am quoting what Ted Cruz was just talking about at a press conference I know you dont want to hear it for him, but Cruz said, hey guys lets release the bill and let the americans read it, but Shumer is blocking that...why? Because they won't address the actual title of the bill but rather will put raises in for congress members and more money for Ukraine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,770 Posted January 27, 2024 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: the current figure is anyone that wants in can currently I am quoting what Ted Cruz was just talking about at a press conference I know you dont want to hear it for him, but Cruz said, hey guys lets release the bill and let the americans read it, but Shumer is blocking that...why? You’re correct that if Ted Cruz is the source of the information then I am skeptical. My understanding is that it isn’t Schumer that blocked the release of the bill details but James Lankford and other key Republicans. Perhaps for the same reason that James Comer insists on closed hearings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351 Posted January 27, 2024 10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: You’re correct that if Ted Cruz is the source of the information then I am skeptical. My understanding is that it isn’t Schumer that blocked the release of the bill details but James Lankford and other key Republicans. Perhaps for the same reason that James Comer insists on closed hearings? a hearing is for cases, a bill doesn't qualify will you answer my above will you stop using ASYLUM SEEKER improperly for your agenda also Shumer is the majority leader, it doesn't matter what republicans say Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted January 27, 2024 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I believe a lot of the public are going to blame Trump for wanting this crisis to continue so that he can use it against Biden in the election Have you bothered to ask yourself where this "Trump wants the border crisis to continue so he can use it against Biden" line that you, worms, and Rusty so uncritically swallowed came from? Think on this: Who would write such a thing? a) some political hack connected to the Biden campaign and wants to smear President Trump. b) somebody with knowledge of the inner thinking of the Trump campaign. ------ Now try this ----- Think on this who would believe such a thing? a) people who already predisposed to hate President Trump b) people informed about and able to compare and contrast the positions of President Trump and Biden on the issue of border security. --------------------- If you cannot see through such easily transparent Biden propaganda such as this, I cannot help you. Again, for the record. You are being deliberately lied to and manipulated. The truth, if you bother to check, is that Trump has stated that he WOULD support the bill if it contained actual security. **Input error. Does not compute.** Now, again, we don't know if it will contain actual border security but judging by the people who are participating in the negotiation, other than one Senator and that is important, presumably he is working in good faith. Personally, I don't rightly feel many of the rest of them have a shred of interest in border security but most of the ones involved despise President Trump and have a vested interest in keeping him from returning to office. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,439 Posted January 27, 2024 - 5k a day works. I think it’s doable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted January 27, 2024 Trump haters around here are the only people capable of watching a video like this and still think that Biden takes the border seriously while President Trump does not. Then, after they struggled unsuccessfully to convince the rest of us that Biden wants to fix the border and Trump does not, they conclude there's something wrong with us. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 27, 2024 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: You’re correct that if Ted Cruz is the source of the information then I am skeptical. My understanding is that it isn’t Schumer that blocked the release of the bill details but James Lankford and other key Republicans. Perhaps for the same reason that James Comer insists on closed hearings? pimpledoosh and timmy are getting stomped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,770 Posted January 27, 2024 1 hour ago, Voltaire said: Have you bothered to ask yourself where this "Trump wants the border crisis to continue so he can use it against Biden" line that you, worms, and Rusty so uncritically swallowed came from? Think on this: Who would write such a thing? a) some political hack connected to the Biden campaign and wants to smear President Trump. b) somebody with knowledge of the inner thinking of the Trump campaign. ------ Now try this ----- Think on this who would believe such a thing? a) people who already predisposed to hate President Trump b) people informed about and able to compare and contrast the positions of President Trump and Biden on the issue of border security. --------------------- If you cannot see through such easily transparent Biden propaganda such as this, I cannot help you. Again, for the record. You are being deliberately lied to and manipulated. The truth, if you bother to check, is that Trump has stated that he WOULD support the bill if it contained actual security. **Input error. Does not compute.** Now, again, we don't know if it will contain actual border security but judging by the people who are participating in the negotiation, other than one Senator and that is important, presumably he is working in good faith. Personally, I don't rightly feel many of the rest of them have a shred of interest in border security but most of the ones involved despise President Trump and have a vested interest in keeping him from returning to office. I read this post and it’s like we’re living on two different planets. Have you paid the slightest bit of attention to Trump’s actions, policies and statements over the last 9 years?? If you had, you would know that it’s not lies or propaganda. Trump’s motivation is very clear because he states it openly time and again. I highly recommend you read the book The Divider about Trump’s presidency. It is based entirely on direct interviews with those who worked with him directly in the White House, conservatives on his side of the issue. It might open your eyes as to what sort of man this is. I regard you as a reasonable guy but your view about Trump is far removed from reality. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 27, 2024 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I read this post and it’s like we’re living on two different planets. Yeah. You are a loony. Everyone gets that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,770 Posted January 27, 2024 https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/01/27/biden-immigration-policy-trump/ This is a fair assessment, IMO, of both Trump’s and Biden’s policies on the border in the past and now. It is highly critical of both men. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,101 Posted January 27, 2024 A stunning 371,036 illegals were caught entering the country, breaking the previous record of 341,392 set in August 2023. Encounters along the Southwest border also set a new record, hitting 302,034, per other data released by CBP on Jan. 26. And we're not even talking about gotaways. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,439 Posted January 27, 2024 Biden said the border is insecure. He’s probably in Delaware. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted January 27, 2024 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/01/27/biden-immigration-policy-trump/ This is a fair assessment, IMO, of both Trump’s and Biden’s policies on the border in the past and now. It is highly critical of both men. Thank you. It is a deep and informative look at the situation with fair criticisms of Biden's failures. There's another deeper and relevant point the article doesn't touch on at all. Here's a short clip reminder on illegal immigration illustrating why Democrats' being propensity for being kindly and generous leads directly to their inability to grasp the concept of unintended consequences. Apparently nobody in 2020's Democratic Party could wrap their head around the notion that there is not unlimited resources for getting every person on the planet who owns a pair of shoes to be clothed, housed, fed, and provided with education and health care provided to them by US taxpayers. Here you see 100% of your own party's presidential candidates demonstrating the short-sighted mentality that has caused the massive tide of migrants entering illegally to go through the roof. If the clueless a$$hole in the middle of the stage, and the nine other clueless a$$holes surrounding him don't put their hands down, nothing will be accomplished and nothing will change. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,535 Posted January 28, 2024 6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: It won’t solve itself. People will simply die coming here, the way the Cubans used to drown. You will never make conditions so awful or dangerous that you will stop people from seeking freedom. But even if you could, it would be fundamentally un-American to do so. Nobody has a right to migrate here. As a sovereign country, we have the right to determine who is allowed to be here and who isn't. People are free to seek freedom, they aren't guaranteed a right to find it here. And if too many of them die trying to come here illegally, it may very well discourage others from trying. Which is simultaneously tragic to their families and beneficial to our country. I'm on the side of our country. Which side are you on?. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,937 Posted January 28, 2024 https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-says-texas-has-till-end-of-day-to-remove-razor-wire-or-else-frinlerbagsuzzit-dorblelerg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 28, 2024 Clownzo biden definitely is an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,770 Posted January 28, 2024 2 hours ago, 5-Points said: Nobody has a right to migrate here. As a sovereign country, we have the right to determine who is allowed to be here and who isn't. People are free to seek freedom, they aren't guaranteed a right to find it here. And if too many of them die trying to come here illegally, it may very well discourage others from trying. Which is simultaneously tragic to their families and beneficial to our country. I'm on the side of our country. Which side are you on?. I’m on the side of our country. And I agree with your first paragraph. Disagree with your second. I don’t think it would discourage people, and I also don’t believe that would be beneficial to us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 28, 2024 Just now, The Real timschochet said: I’m on the side of our country. No you aren't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted January 28, 2024 MAGAtards really working overtime to rationalize this one 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted January 28, 2024 16 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: MAGAtards really working overtime to rationalize this one What's in the bill? All of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,553 Posted January 28, 2024 28 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: MAGAtards really working overtime to rationalize this one Nothing to rationalize. You haven't mentioned a single provision in the bill. I'd be shocked if you even knew what was in it. if you ever want to have an actual discussion about the provisions of the bill go for it. you just want to blindly support the bill without even knowing what's in it. That's how most libs roll. Such good little soldiers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,535 Posted January 28, 2024 27 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: MAGAtards really working overtime to rationalize this one Rationalize what? That your senile old grandpappy could executive order his way back to a secure border? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites