Details released on bipartisan immigration bill that MAGAturds don't want because it vaporizes a Clownzo campaign issue

[Ron_Artest 1,212]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Is your position that things like Remain in Mexico and using Title 42 didn't help the situation under Trump, or that they weren't "fixing" anything in the long term?  

Help the situation?  For us yes.  As a whole I don't know.

But these were executive orders.  Stop gap measures.  No meaningful immigration reform

[Ron_Artest 1,212]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Now what? 

Business as usual.  Thanks Trump.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,112]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You'd rather have no cap and no funding?  GTFO.

So they can close it down after 5k? Then they can close it down. Case closed. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,112]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Business as usual.  Thanks Trump.

So Biden won’t do anything about an unsecured border? He won’t do his job? 

[RLLD 4,169]

41 minutes ago, Strike said:

What Republican has said they object to the bill because it would give Biden a victory?   The only ones I've seen quoted object to the bill because the bill is a steaming pile of dung.

McConnell.....

[Ron_Artest 1,212]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So Biden won’t do anything about an unsecured border? He won’t do his job? 

It's not unsecured shut up

[Ron_Artest 1,212]

50 minutes ago, Strike said:

What Republican has said they object to the bill because it would give Biden a victory?   The only ones I've seen quoted object to the bill because the bill is a steaming pile of dung.

You really think Republicans are gonna say a loud that they object to the bill to help trump?

[IGotWorms 4,057]

57 minutes ago, Strike said:

And for those who think the GOP doesn't want to do anything, here is a bill they put up that would actually help the situation:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr2/summary

If libs actually wanted to help, they'd work off of that.

Been a while since I brushed up on my civics, but couldn’t the house add in the provisions they want after it goes through the senate, and then the two bills have to be reconciled if possible?

There’s a process for this, is my point. Flatly refusing to take up the senate bill is unnecessary 

[HellToupee 1,647]

4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Can you tell.me what trump did to solve the border problem?

I’m a fan of numbers 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

13 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I’m a fan of numbers 

 

You’re not a fan of ALL numbers. Because if you include Obama and Bush years in that list, you will discover that Trump’s policies to contain illegal immigration were completely ineffective, AND Biden’s polices have had nothing to do with the explosion that has taken place in the last few years. But those numbers wouldn’t help your cause would they? 

[Fnord 2,133]

The complete lack of will to negotiate or compromise is a fun feature of the Trumpians. This mindset will only cause further division, unrest, and violence. The inability to see any sort of nuance, or to try to understand the perspective of anyone that's not on their direct wavelength will be our unraveling. 

Y'all won't even accept jury verdicts as lawful anymore. Trump could be found guilty of every crime he's being prosecuted for and you would all yell "DEEPSTATE! DEMOCRATS! TRANNIES!" and start committing acts of terrorism. 

I have little or no opinion on this bill. But since when is it okay for the US to roll over and play dead while Russia sets itself up on NATO's doorstep? Americans should want democracies to flourish, especially those that create a bulwark against a strong historical foe. But not anymore. Mexico bad, Russia good. We're in the upside down.

[Maximum Overkill 1,840]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,112]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's not unsecured shut up

Biden said it wasn’t secure. You didn’t know that? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,112]

The house passed the 2023 border security act known as HR-2. In January of 2023.  The senate refused to take it up.  So yeah, it’s the republicans fault. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,285]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Biden wants to fix the crisis at the border, Republicans don’t. Pretty simple message that will resonate with the American people. The Trumpheads won’t buy it but when have they ever listened to reason anyhow? Guys like @Strike here hate it because it’s not cruel enough for him. Oh well. 

Biden can fix the border without some garbage bill

[Hardcore troubadour 15,112]

50 minutes ago, Fnord said:

The complete lack of will to negotiate or compromise is a fun feature of the Trumpians. This mindset will only cause further division, unrest, and violence. The inability to see any sort of nuance, or to try to understand the perspective of anyone that's not on their direct wavelength will be our unraveling. 

Y'all won't even accept jury verdicts as lawful anymore. Trump could be found guilty of every crime he's being prosecuted for and you would all yell "DEEPSTATE! DEMOCRATS! TRANNIES!" and start committing acts of terrorism. 

I have little or no opinion on this bill. But since when is it okay for the US to roll over and play dead while Russia sets itself up on NATO's doorstep? Americans should want democracies to flourish, especially those that create a bulwark against a strong historical foe. But not anymore. Mexico bad, Russia good. We're in the upside down.

Ukraine isn’t in NATO. Also, it’s the other way around. NATO has set themselves up at Russias doorstep. Now tell me I love Putin. 

[Strike 5,327]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Biden wants to fix the crisis at the border, Republicans don’t. Pretty simple message that will resonate with the American people. The Trumpheads won’t buy it but when have they ever listened to reason anyhow? Guys like @Strike here hate it because it’s not cruel enough for him. Oh well. 

Codifying a wide open border does nothing to address the problem.  HTH.

[The Psychic Observer 498]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ukraine isn’t in NATO. Also, it’s the other way around. NATO has set themselves up at Russias doorstep. Now tell me I love Putin. 

You think NATO was gearing up to invade Russia?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,112]

1 minute ago, The Psychic Observer said:

You think NATO was gearing up to invade Russia?

No.  I do think they would put missiles there though. Because they have. Putin does too, and that’s what’s important.  

[The Psychic Observer 498]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No.  I do think they would put missiles there though. Because they have. Putin does too, and that’s what’s important.  

Locations of missiles are important but not invasions and war?  OK.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,112]

3 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Locations of missiles are important but not invasions and war?  OK.

Well Ukraine is on his doorstep. I’m sure you would be cool with an alliance that is hostile to the US putting missiles in someplace like Cuba? 

[Maximum Overkill 1,840]

2 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Locations of missiles are important but not invasions and war?  OK.

Don't you you think your boy Biden was a little late to the party? The Russians all but announced their intent long before Biden sent $$$ and armor. He had a chance to stop it before the invasion ever happened, but he didn't. There's only money in War! 

[BuckSwope 654]

32 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Biden can fix the border without some garbage bill

What specifically would you like Biden to do? 

[Maximum Overkill 1,840]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

What specifically would you like Biden to do? 

Seriously? 

[Mike Honcho 5,212]

One take-away I have from this thread, I don't use the word "vaporize" enough.  

[Baker Boy 1,694]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Typical uninformed cultist.

You are the one asking questions. Period.

[Ron_Artest 1,212]

The only long term solution to the crisis is for Congress to overcome open borders obstruction.

[Baker Boy 1,694]

6 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

What specifically would you like Biden to do? 

Day one, I would implement the Trump policies that Biden canceled. 

[Strike 5,327]

6 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Day one, I would implement the Trump policies that Biden canceled. 

And land mines.  That would take care of the problem one limb at a time.

[The Psychic Observer 498]

8 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Day one, I would implement the Trump policies that Biden canceled. 

What policies?

[BuckSwope 654]

7 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Day one, I would implement the Trump policies that Biden canceled. 

My understanding is that title 42 was able to be used b/c of covid.  It wasn't a typical or long term solution for the border. 

Are we able to re-up that in 2024 without a wider bill? 

[BuckSwope 654]

17 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Seriously? 

Yes, seriously. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,840]

5 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Yes, seriously. 

What would you like Biden to do? 

Getting out a complete sentence before he forgets what he's talking about would be a nice start. 

But what would you like Biden to do? I mean, he's had years after reversing Trump's "racist" border policy. 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

All they know are Trump's talking points.  No facts or intelligent thoughts.  Unbelievable.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,285]

26 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

What specifically would you like Biden to do? 

1) put out a press release taking back his statement to flood the borders

2) follow current international asylum laws, make the following statement, ANYONE who comes across the border not thru a point of entry will be arrested and immediately deported (current law on books) I will reiterate that not a single person entering this country is eligible for ASYLUM

3) allow border patrol to return to their jobs and do what they have done for decades

4) reopen the conversation that he cancelled that allowed the remain in mexico, go back to where Mexico does not allow a pass thru to get to the US

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,285]

3 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

All they know are Trump's talking points.  No facts or intelligent thoughts.  Unbelievable.

derp derp derp

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

1) put out a press release taking back his statement to flood the borders

2) follow current international asylum laws, make the following statement, ANYONE who comes across the border not thru a point of entry will be arrested and immediately deported (current law on books) I will reiterate that not a single person entering this country is eligible for ASYLUM

3) allow border patrol to return to their jobs and do what they have done for decades

4) reopen the conversation that he cancelled that allowed the remain in mexico, go back to where Mexico does not allow a pass thru to get to the US

link to this being Trump talking points????

[Horseman 2,430]

2 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

All they know are Trump's talking points.  No facts or intelligent thoughts.  Unbelievable.

There were 3 or 4 Biden executive orders that affects immigration in the illegals favor if you care to read.

But, the most effective policy imo was Remain in Mexico.  Biden fought and ultimately won by the SCOTUS that the president has the power to end it.  He ended it. I mean his name is all over it, Biden vs. Texas, right there in the title so you don't miss it.   

Step 1 - Close the border, the gates, the holes, repower the CBP.

Step 2 - Reinstate Remain in Mexico

Step 3 - Build more wall

Step 4 - Yeah Title 42 was because of covid, so what, you can expel illegals that aren't truly seeking asylum under the existing laws.  That's why they are called illegals.

Foking lemmings pretend its so hard.  And for you it must be to admit that Trump had it right.  Just do what he did that resulted in record low encounters before Biden blew it all up.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,840]

8 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

All they know are Trump's talking points.  No facts or intelligent thoughts.  Unbelievable.

So tell us your plan Genius. You voted for Biden, you must be a rocket scientist. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,112]

There idiots asking what Biden should do are pathetic. How about what he shouldn’t do? Like hand them cash, phones and a plane ticket when they get here? 

[BuckSwope 654]

12 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

What would you like Biden to do? 

Getting out a complete sentence before he forgets what he's talking about would be a nice start. 

But what would you like Biden to do? I mean, he's had years after reversing Trump's "racist" border policy. 

I've been pretty clear- I want the carrots taken away first.   Jobs, benefits, "asylum".   

Neither party addresses 1 or 3 in any meaningful way, especially 1.  Dems make 2 a lot worse.