Timmy’s thread for general discussion

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

40 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Boss, if you think that's incoherent you are dumber than I thought. Lemme spell it out in short words.

Your posts make your opinions very clear even when you don't think you're posting opinions. That you cannot see or understand this is hard evidence that you are not used to, or possibly not capable of, forming your own opinions. So you adopt the opinions of others; likely whatever inbred rednecks you hang out with while guzzling PBR at the local hick watering hole.

Would you like me to link definitions for any of the words I used above?

@BrahmaBulls‘ whole purpose for existing in this forum is to post dumb, insipid and crude attacks against liberals. 100% of his posts are moronic, but since that is apparently his goal you’d have to call him a great success. 

[jerryskids 6,732]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Not my claim, but stated by various agencies. 

I‘m not sure what difference it makes whether or not the folks come from Mexico or other Latin American countries, in terms of the cost-gain question. That doesn’t appear to me to be a relevant factor though perhaps I’m missing something. 
 

But I want to stress that in the short term undocumented immigrants cost us more than they benefit us, especially in the border states, especially now. That’s why I agree that the current situation is untenable. 

I didn't state it well.  The relevance is that we have a new class of people coming.  Until recently we had something of a manageable flow of mostly hard-working people who would sneak over the border from Mexico, stay mostly in the shadows, work some menial jobs, often go back with money to support family... since Biden took over the word is out that the gates are open, and a bunch of people are crossing through Mexico to get some of that awesome American free stuff.

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I didn't state it well.  The relevance is that we have a new class of people coming.  Until recently we had something of a manageable flow of mostly hard-working people who would sneak over the border from Mexico, stay mostly in the shadows, work some menial jobs, often go back with money to support family... since Biden took over the word is out that the gates are open, and a bunch of people are crossing through Mexico to get some of that awesome American free stuff.

I’ll accept the possibility that the new influx MAY represent new characteristics- we won’t know the answer to that for years to come. 

But I remain pretty skeptical that they come here for any kind of government benefits, and that any curtailing of those benefits will deter them. I firmly believe that the vast majority of undocumented immigrants come here for the same reason they always have: desire for a better life made possible by our economic opportunities and safety from violence, which is lacking in the places they come from. 

[BrahmaBulls 659]

58 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Boss, if you think that's incoherent you are dumber than I thought. Lemme spell it out in short words.

Your posts make your opinions very clear even when you don't think you're posting opinions. That you cannot see or understand this is hard evidence that you are not used to, or possibly not capable of, forming your own opinions. So you adopt the opinions of others; likely whatever inbred rednecks you hang out with while guzzling PBR at the local hick watering hole.

Would you like me to link definitions for any of the words I used above?

You could try linking my posts to align with the retard accusations you made, Corky

[BrahmaBulls 659]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

@BrahmaBulls‘ whole purpose for existing in this forum is to post dumb, insipid and crude attacks against liberals. 100% of his posts are moronic, but since that is apparently his goal you’d have to call him a great success. 

How's fat Wendy doing?  Drive drunk to school lately?

[Horseman 2,438]

That's going to leave a mark.  

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

10 minutes ago, Horseman said:

That's going to leave a mark.  

Taking a break from spreading hate filled lies about undocumented people? And just for me?  I suppose I should be honored. 

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

13 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

How's fat Wendy doing?  Drive drunk to school lately?

You don’t hurt me with this stuff, Brahma. It just makes you look like an immature jerk and an awful person. Sad for you. 

[Fnord 2,198]

42 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

You could try linking my posts to align with the retard accusations you made, Corky

I'll get on that right after you figure out how to contribute something worthwhile here. That oughta buy me... infinity.

[BrahmaBulls 659]

41 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I'll get on that right after you figure out how to contribute something worthwhile here. That oughta buy me... infinity.

Pointing out your retard trolling is more than worthwhile.  Corky. 

[Fnord 2,198]

1 minute ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Pointing out your retard trolling is more than worthwhile.  Corky. 

Insightful. Need me to explain that word to you? Or the concepts of sarcasm or irony? Let me know, I'm pretty patient with halfwits. 

[edjr 6,580]

 

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

5 minutes ago, edjr said:

 

I’m really not interested in watching these kind of videos. I don’t accept them as a reliable source of information, especially when, as I suspect in this case, they contradict the educated medical studies of authorities that I trust. What argument would you like to make regarding Covid vaccines? 

[Maximum Overkill 1,912]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

a reliable source of information

CNN, MSNBC

Anderson Cooper, Rachel Maddow

Hard hitting reporting at its finest

[Fnord 2,198]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

CNN, MSNBC

Anderson Cooper, Rachel Maddow

Hard hitting reporting at its finest

Doctors, king dipshlt. He's talking about DOCTORS.

[seafoam1 2,929]

3 hours ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Pointing out your retard trolling is more than worthwhile.  Corky. 

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Doctors, king dipshlt. He's talking about DOCTORS.

Yup. 

But the problem is, for all too many conservatives, doctors have become radical leftists too. Just like climate scientists. And responsible journalists. The modern definition of  radical leftist, to conservatives, is anyone who tells them something they don’t prefer to hear. 

Conversely. Tucker Carlson and Jesse Waters are now the equal of medical doctors and climate scientists: they speak with just as much if not more expert authority and credibility. We live in a focked up world. I wish I knew how to fix it. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,912]

 

[jerryskids 6,732]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yup. 

But the problem is, for all too many conservatives, doctors have become radical leftists too. Just like climate scientists. And responsible journalists. The modern definition of  radical leftist, to conservatives, is anyone who tells them something they don’t prefer to hear. 

Conversely. Tucker Carlson and Jesse Waters are now the equal of medical doctors and climate scientists: they speak with just as much if not more expert authority and credibility. We live in a focked up world. I wish I knew how to fix it. 

Doctors aren't radical leftists.  They largely do what other doctors say to do.  The more advanced the degree, the more people defer to others whom they perceive have expertise in other areas.  Unfortunately, this deference tends to extend to political groups like the AMA, APA, WHO... if you've ever known a doctor, you know that they just want to do their thing and don't want to rock the boat, especially against political organizations which influence their future.

Climate scientists... that industry has a fundamental systemic problem.  One, everyone who enters the field does so to help save the planet.  This isn't unique -- people go into cancer research to cure cancer.  But failed attempts to cure cancer are the norm.  Research results which contradict MMGW however... severe cognitive dissonance.  Add to that, were you to publish such results, you would become a pariah in your field and never get funding again, except maybe from evil big oil companies.  But see the first point -- you don't want funding from them.

As an example, I just listened to an Honestly pod with Roland Fryer, a young, black economist from Harvard.  Roland did a large study on police shootings which showed... police didn't disproportionately target black people.  In the pod he discusses how many of his peers strongly suggested that he bury that part of the results (he DID find increased levels of lesser violence against blacks -- that part people wanted published).  

https://www.thefp.com/p/economist-roland-fryer-on-adversity-1c7

I also recently listened to a pod series on Freakonomics which discussed the widespread prevalence of academic fraud:

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Why Is There So Much Fraud in Academia?
Some of the biggest names in behavioral science stand accused of faking their results. Last year, an astonishing 10,000 research papers were retracted. We talk to whistleblowers, reformers, and a co-author who got caught up in the chaos. (Part one of two-part series on academic fraud)

 

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-is-there-so-much-fraud-in-academia/

Now, I can't say with certainty that these things (selective publishing, fraud) happen in climate science.  I CAN say with certainty, however, that the system is built to encourage them.

[Reality 3,121]

Yup, the modern day liberal.

 

[seafoam1 2,929]

19 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yup. 

But the problem is, for all too many conservatives, doctors have become radical leftists too.

That IS a problem. Agreed. Liberals are ruining America. Good on the conservatives who are pointing it out. 

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Doctors aren't radical leftists.  They largely do what other doctors say to do.  The more advanced the degree, the more people defer to others whom they perceive have expertise in other areas.  Unfortunately, this deference tends to extend to political groups like the AMA, APA, WHO... if you've ever known a doctor, you know that they just want to do their thing and don't want to rock the boat, especially against political organizations which influence their future.

Climate scientists... that industry has a fundamental systemic problem.  One, everyone who enters the field does so to help save the planet.  This isn't unique -- people go into cancer research to cure cancer.  But failed attempts to cure cancer are the norm.  Research results which contradict MMGW however... severe cognitive dissonance.  Add to that, were you to publish such results, you would become a pariah in your field and never get funding again, except maybe from evil big oil companies.  But see the first point -- you don't want funding from them.

As an example, I just listened to an Honestly pod with Roland Fryer, a young, black economist from Harvard.  Roland did a large study on police shootings which showed... police didn't disproportionately target black people.  In the pod he discusses how many of his peers strongly suggested that he bury that part of the results (he DID find increased levels of lesser violence against blacks -- that part people wanted published).  

https://www.thefp.com/p/economist-roland-fryer-on-adversity-1c7

I also recently listened to a pod series on Freakonomics which discussed the widespread prevalence of academic fraud:

 

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-is-there-so-much-fraud-in-academia/

Now, I can't say with certainty that these things (selective publishing, fraud) happen in climate science.  I CAN say with certainty, however, that the system is built to encourage them.

There is some level of fraud and corruption in all human endeavors. No surprise to discover it. But using that fact as a reason to be skeptical of man made climate change (or the Covid vaccine for that matter) seems like quite the stretch. 

The truth is, with one notable exception, modern day conservatives reject scientific evidence they don’t like. It’s a sad truth of our current age, and it’s terribly frustrating and I just don’t get it. You don’t like the Covid vaccine because the government might force you to take it for public health safety? Too focking bad, facts are facts. You reject the truth of climate change because it might lead to restrictions on the oil industry? Too focking bad, facts are facts. Deal with reality, not what you want. 
 

The only notable exception I can think of is nuclear energy. On that issue the roles are reversed: it’s liberals who rely on fear and innuendo and conservatives who turn to science for the answers. Go figure. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,912]

It doesn't get more serious than this

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

Trans is another issue where conservatives rely on fear and disgust. There have been transsexuals among us since time began. The difference now is that we have technology to help them (treatments, gender affirming surgery) and that parts of our society accept them better, so this makes the numbers appear larger especially among youths. The numbers are not larger, they are simply no longer hidden. It’s not a mental illness, the REJECTION  by parts of our society creates depression and mental illness. The solution to depression and mental illness is to let these folks, including teenagers, do as they wish, including surgery, and accept them, treat them as they wish to be treated. If we as a society can do this the suicides will stop. 
 

These folks don’t hurt you, treat them with love and understanding and you’ll be surprised how much better your life becomes, seriously. 

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

It doesn't get more serious than this

 

 

All of your posts on this issue have the same message: “transsexual people disgust me.” That’s the whole of your argument. I’m sorry they disgust you. But it’s your problem, not society’s. Deal with your own insecurity and stop trying to use it to restrict other people’s freedom. 

[seafoam1 2,929]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

It doesn't get more serious than this

 

 

Look it's mdcack, pimpledoosh, and generaldoosh have been busy. Is that herbidlck in the background? 

[seafoam1 2,929]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trans is another issue where conservatives rely on fear and disgust. There have been transsexuals among us since time began. The difference now is that we have technology to help them (treatments, gender affirming surgery) and that parts of our society accept them better, so this makes the numbers appear larger especially among youths. The numbers are not larger, they are simply no longer hidden. It’s not a mental illness, the REJECTION  by parts of our society creates depression and mental illness. The solution to depression and mental illness is to let these folks, including teenagers, do as they wish, including surgery, and accept them, treat them as they wish to be treated. If we as a society can do this the suicides will stop. 
 

These folks don’t hurt you, treat them with love and understanding and you’ll be surprised how much better your life becomes, seriously. 

"Trans" is a mental illness. Nothing else.

[TimHauck 2,731]

21 hours ago, edjr said:

 

What a garbage video.  “The largest study on vaccines” didn’t even look at deaths, because there were so few of them.  
 

Odd though, the GC told me the left cancelled Russell Brand and here he is just straight up lying on YouTube with no consequences.

[jerryskids 6,732]

36 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

There is some level of fraud and corruption in all human endeavors. No surprise to discover it. But using that fact as a reason to be skeptical of man made climate change (or the Covid vaccine for that matter) seems like quite the stretch. 

The truth is, with one notable exception, modern day conservatives reject scientific evidence they don’t like. It’s a sad truth of our current age, and it’s terribly frustrating and I just don’t get it. You don’t like the Covid vaccine because the government might force you to take it for public health safety? Too focking bad, facts are facts. You reject the truth of climate change because it might lead to restrictions on the oil industry? Too focking bad, facts are facts. Deal with reality, not what you want. 
 

The only notable exception I can think of is nuclear energy. On that issue the roles are reversed: it’s liberals who rely on fear and innuendo and conservatives who turn to science for the answers. Go figure. 

I literally gave you a real-life example of a consensus among economists (at least at Harvard) to squelch data which didn't fit woke message on police brutality, for fear of hurting Fryer's career.  And your response is "conservatives hate science."

Is this your example of serious discussion?

[Reality 3,121]

49 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

There is some level of fraud and corruption in all human endeavors. No surprise to discover it. But using that fact as a reason to be skeptical of man made climate change (or the Covid vaccine for that matter) seems like quite the stretch. 

The truth is, with one notable exception, modern day conservatives reject scientific evidence they don’t like. It’s a sad truth of our current age, and it’s terribly frustrating and I just don’t get it. You don’t like the Covid vaccine because the government might force you to take it for public health safety? Too focking bad, facts are facts. You reject the truth of climate change because it might lead to restrictions on the oil industry? Too focking bad, facts are facts. Deal with reality, not what you want. 
 

The only notable exception I can think of is nuclear energy. On that issue the roles are reversed: it’s liberals who rely on fear and innuendo and conservatives who turn to science for the answers. Go figure. 

Like 2 genders?

[jerryskids 6,732]

53 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trans is another issue where conservatives rely on fear and disgust. There have been transsexuals among us since time began. The difference now is that we have technology to help them (treatments, gender affirming surgery) and that parts of our society accept them better, so this makes the numbers appear larger especially among youths. The numbers are not larger, they are simply no longer hidden. It’s not a mental illness, the REJECTION  by parts of our society creates depression and mental illness. The solution to depression and mental illness is to let these folks, including teenagers, do as they wish, including surgery, and accept them, treat them as they wish to be treated. If we as a society can do this the suicides will stop. 
 

These folks don’t hurt you, treat them with love and understanding and you’ll be surprised how much better your life becomes, seriously. 

So much wrong with this post.  We seem destined to NOT learn from Europe, and follow through with mutilating people who are not trans.  As I said here recently:  when we eventually have this epiphany, and make no mistake, it will come, folks like you and squistion will smile dopily and say "oh well, our hearts were in the right place."  And I don't doubt that.  But that is the insidious nature of liberal positions.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I literally gave you a real-life example of a consensus among economists (at least at Harvard) to squelch data which didn't fit woke message on police brutality, for fear of hurting Fryer's career.  And your response is "conservatives hate science."

Is this your example of serious discussion?

Well we’re talking about a variety of subjects. I certainly acknowledge that on issues like police brutality liberals, like conservatives, are going to hear what they want to hear, and there’s going to be suppression of facts contrary to that at times. You offered an example of that, and it’s something we should always take into account. 
 

But the problem with that example is that police mistreatment, especially against minorities, is a far more subjective issue than climate change or Covid vaccines. It’s not a question of science but of human behavior. Thus, history, personal experience, and emotion plays a much larger role. I don’t think it should be used even as a comparison. We can discuss the police, and should, but not in reference to rejection/acceptance of scientific fact. Thats why I chose not to respond to that aspect of your post. 

[jerryskids 6,732]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well we’re talking about a variety of subjects. I certainly acknowledge that on issues like police brutality liberals, like conservatives, are going to hear what they want to hear, and there’s going to be suppression of facts contrary to that at times. You offered an example of that, and it’s something we should always take into account. 
 

But the problem with that example is that police mistreatment, especially against minorities, is a far more subjective issue than climate change or Covid vaccines. It’s not a question of science but of human behavior. Thus, history, personal experience, and emotion plays a much larger role. I don’t think it should be used even as a comparison. We can discuss the police, and should, but not in reference to rejection/acceptance of scientific fact. Thats why I chose not to respond to that aspect of your post. 

Data is still data.  Furthermore, shooting data is not subjective.

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

Just now, jerryskids said:

So much wrong with this post.  We seem destined to NOT learn from Europe, and follow through with mutilating people who are not trans.  As I said here recently:  when we eventually have this epiphany, and make no mistake, it will come, folks like you and squistion will smile dopily and say "oh well, our hearts were in the right place."  And I don't doubt that.  But that is the insidious nature of liberal positions.

 

That’s not going to ever happen because what you refer to in Europe is hardly a consensus opinion. 
 

But even if it does happen I’m not going to smile dopily and say my heart is in the right place. Because it isn’t. My head is in the right place, because everything I wrote was based on the strong consensus of the experts in this area that I trust, mostly doctors, psychiatrists, and the highly respected associations they are members of. When and if these folks change their minds about any aspects of this issue then I will too. I rely on them, just as I rely on them if I catch some disease, just as I rely on a pilot to fly a plane, and a climate scientist to tell me what’s happening with climate change, and a IT guy to tell me what to do when my computer breaks down. I am beholden to experts, as are you as is everyone. I see no reason to ignore them on this issue or any other. 

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Data is still data.  Furthermore, shooting data is not subjective.

Using it to make broader statements is certainly subjective. 

[Voltaire 5,281]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trans is another issue where conservatives rely on fear and disgust. There have been transsexuals among us since time began. The difference now is that we have technology to help them (treatments, gender affirming surgery) and that parts of our society accept them better, so this makes the numbers appear larger especially among youths. The numbers are not larger, they are simply no longer hidden. It’s not a mental illness, the REJECTION  by parts of our society creates depression and mental illness. The solution to depression and mental illness is to let these folks, including teenagers, do as they wish, including surgery, and accept them, treat them as they wish to be treated. If we as a society can do this the suicides will stop. 
 

These folks don’t hurt you, treat them with love and understanding and you’ll be surprised how much better your life becomes, seriously. 

There have been no transexuals among us since time began. This is a lie and absurd. Male and female were clearly defined roles in every society: Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, other. Nobody was killing themselves for being in the wrong body 30 years ago. You can trace the start time to this epidemic of trannies killing themselves all started when trannies got promoted/ normalized / encouraged : approximately five-to-ten minutes ago.

This is also something each and every prominent Democrat in the country knew five minutes ago too.

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

There have been no transexuals among us since time began. This is a lie and absurd. Nobody was killing themselves for being in the wrong body 30 years ago. You can trace the start time to this epidemic of trannies killing themselves all started when trannies got promoted/ normalized / encouraged : approximately five-to-ten minutes ago.

Your first sentence is contradicted by human history: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history#:~:text=Accounts of transgender people (including,in the 1950s and 1960s.

As old as records of human history. 

[seafoam1 2,929]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your first sentence is contradicted by human history: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history#:~:text=Accounts of transgender people (including,in the 1950s and 1960s.

As old as records of human history. 

wikipedoa is our source of human history now? Is this what you learned when you got your liberal arts degree?

[The Real timschochet 6,651]

Hey guys gotta run for most of the day: I have a stupid wedding to attend in which I know absolutely nobody. I hate weddings and this one is Catholic so it’s probably going to go on and on endlessly. And the wife has told me she will kill me if I dare to even look at my phone. 

So any questions or responses I will try to answer tomorrow. Assuming I survive. 

[Voltaire 5,281]

41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your first sentence is contradicted by human history: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history#:~:text=Accounts of transgender people (including,in the 1950s and 1960s.

As old as records of human history. 

Tim, the first entry is some Galli eunichs (which I didn't even know what that was) and the next one is a Muslim slur and a lot of these are (intentionally?) confused with being gay men.

Men who get their balls cut off because harem women need male servants isn't the same thing. And the delineation of sexual deviants between gay men and trannies gets obscured.

And you have to get really really nit-picky with searching obscure belief systems nobody has ever heard of to maybe get somewhere since nobody knows who the Galli et al. are or what they believed.