Timmy’s thread for general discussion

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

10 minutes ago, Strike said:

You owe EG a big apology as well. 

I didn’t apologize. I was wrong and I admitted it. I don’t apologize for being wrong. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

Trying to change the subject from you talking out of your ass by placing me on a position I never took.  I've noted before your unwillingness to admit your errors no matter how obvious.  its sad, and in a thread where you requested debate.  

I blame this on you for continuing. 

[Engorgeous George 2,138]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s amazing how many issues @Strike and @Engorgeous George get wrong. It’s not really worth arguing with them; like swatting flies. Somebody offer me some good arguments for once. Anyone? 

You are akin to Trump in your ability to redefine, for yourself, reality.  You have never remotely gotten the best of me in any debate.  You run or you try to cahnge the subject, but you never meet the arguments nor win the points.  You should really learn some humility and to admit when you were wrong or excitedly talking out of your ass as you were blinded by partisanship.  It is actaully failry easy and really liberating.  No body will think less of you if you just admit you got carried away and like to try to sound authoritiative.  Folks do think less of you when you refuse to admit when you have been full of feces, which is pretty much always.

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Trying to change the subject from you talking out of your ass by placing me on a position I never took.  I've noted before your unwillingness to admit your errors no matter how obvious.  its sad, and in a thread where you requested debate.  

I was wrong when I wrote that it was about tax fraud. I was confusing it with another case. I do try and admit my errors when they occur. 
 

I am curious: do you believe this particular case is an unjust prosecution of Donald Trump? I am more open to that argument than I was a little while ago, though I’m still not sure. 

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

You are akin to Trump in your ability to redefine, for yourself, reality.  You have never remotely gotten the best of me in any debate.  You run or you try to cahnge the subject, but you never meet the arguments nor win the points.  You should really learn some humility and to admit when you were wrong or excitedly talking out of your ass as you were blinded by partisanship.  It is actaully failry easy and really liberating.  No body will think less of you if you just admit you got carried away and like to try to sound authoritiative.  Folks do think less of you when you refuse to admit when you have been full of feces, which is pretty much always.

That post was made in fun, more towards Strike than you. I thought it should be obvious by its tone that I wasn’t taking myself too seriously. Basically just some smack talking. 
 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

6 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

You have never remotely gotten the best of me in any debate.  

In all seriousness I have though. Your “solution” to undocumented immigrants in this country is terrible, unworkable, dumb, and anti-American. I demonstrated all of this to my own satisfaction. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

In all seriousness I have though. Your “solution” to undocumented immigrants in this country is terrible, unworkable, dumb, and anti-American. I demonstrated all of this to my own satisfaction. 

[Engorgeous George 2,138]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I was wrong when I wrote that it was about tax fraud. I was confusing it with another case. I do try and admit my errors when they occur. 
 

I am curious: do you believe this particular case is an unjust prosecution of Donald Trump? I am more open to that argument than I was a little while ago, though I’m still not sure. 

The law under which he was sued was not drafted for this scenario.  There were no victims.  That said I do believe he took many liberties.  His misvaluations don't concern me as much as his misstatements of fact, such as the size of his Trump Tower penthouse.  I also think the case was brought out of animus rather than an equal application of the laws.  That all said, I have no problen with the holdings on the causes of action.  i do believe it very likely that on appeal the court will offer an Remittitur if one is asked for.  I could easily see an adjustment of the penalties to $1 with the rest of the conditions to remain intact

[Engorgeous George 2,138]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

In all seriousness I have though. Your “solution” to undocumented immigrants in this country is terrible, unworkable, dumb, and anti-American. I demonstrated all of this to my own satisfaction. 

You keep right on being the moderator of your own shortcomings and they will never get corrected.  Frankly it matters not to me.  I have had ample proof to know what you are for some time.   Your deluded self evaluations are of little concern to me.  You want a safe space.  Go on and have it.  I'm bored by you.

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

14 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

You keep right on being the moderator of your own shortcomings and they will never get corrected.  Frankly it matters not to me.  I have had ample proof to know what you are for some time.   Your deluded self availuations are of little concern to me.  You want a safe space.  Go on and have it.  I'm bored by you.

I’m bored by your lack of humor and apparently inability to sense nuance. 

[jerryskids 6,568]

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s one of those things that’s illegal whether you can trace an actual loss or not. It’s to protect the integrity of the system which is important win or lose.

That said, I am sure that many, many people do not prosecuted for this where they could.

So I dunno, it is illegal and should be, but certainly Trump was targeted. Of course you do bring that on yourself being so high profile, and with Trump we’re talking higher dollar figures that many others, but then again only a fool would claim politics has nothing to do with it

Thanks for posting this.  It touches on the biggest reason I "support" Trump -- it's not that I like him, but there is clearly a double standard with him, and I don't like the political machine being able to file lawsuit after lawsuit at him.

The standard for pretty much every significant political figure is:  how can we possible interpret this behavior as NOT being illegal.  Hillary, when confronted with illegally setting up a server, physically destroyed it.  Literally, destroyed it.  And the "investigators" said... meh, no harm no foul.  Heck, Biden recently was determined "probably guilty but meh, he's old."  Is there an outcry from the media to follow through on it?  Nah... Fani Willis will face no penalties, but she also checks multiple intersectional boxes, so she would have to be standing over a dead body with a smoking gun, and even then we'd hear about the difficulties of being a black woman.

What is the standard for Trump in NY:  Well... whatever he did.  Standard for taking confidential documents?  Whatever he did that Biden didn't do.

The standard for Trump is:  how can we possibly interpret his behavior as illegal?  And as the presumptive Republican candidate, this approach seems a wee bit like trying to influence the election.

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks for posting this.  It touches on the biggest reason I "support" Trump -- it's not that I like him, but there is clearly a double standard with him, and I don't like the political machine being able to file lawsuit after lawsuit at him.

The standard for pretty much every significant political figure is:  how can we possible interpret this behavior as NOT being illegal.  Hillary, when confronted with illegally setting up a server, physically destroyed it.  Literally, destroyed it.  And the "investigators" said... meh, no harm no foul.  Heck, Biden recently was determined "probably guilty but meh, he's old."  Is there an outcry from the media to follow through on it?  Nah... Fani Willis will face no penalties, but she also checks multiple intersectional boxes, so she would have to be standing over a dead body with a smoking gun, and even then we'd hear about the difficulties of being a black woman.

What is the standard for Trump in NY:  Well... whatever he did.  Standard for taking confidential documents?  Whatever he did that Biden didn't do.

The standard for Trump is:  how can we possibly interpret his behavior as illegal?  And as the presumptive Republican candidate, this approach seems a wee bit like trying to influence the election.

I understand how you can feel this way and this particular prosecution, a civil one, might strengthen such feelings. 
 

But I strongly reject this as an explanation or complaint regarding the more serious charges Trump faces: in particular the federal January 6 prosecution and the Georgia prosecution. In those cases if Trump was NOT charged then IMO the pendulum would swing in the other direction- he would be getting away with crimes against this country that others would not. I think they HAD to charge him. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

15 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks for posting this.  It touches on the biggest reason I "support" Trump -- it's not that I like him, but there is clearly a double standard with him, and I don't like the political machine being able to file lawsuit after lawsuit at him.

The standard for pretty much every significant political figure is:  how can we possible interpret this behavior as NOT being illegal.  Hillary, when confronted with illegally setting up a server, physically destroyed it.  Literally, destroyed it.  And the "investigators" said... meh, no harm no foul.  Heck, Biden recently was determined "probably guilty but meh, he's old."  Is there an outcry from the media to follow through on it?  Nah... Fani Willis will face no penalties, but she also checks multiple intersectional boxes, so she would have to be standing over a dead body with a smoking gun, and even then we'd hear about the difficulties of being a black woman.

What is the standard for Trump in NY:  Well... whatever he did.  Standard for taking confidential documents?  Whatever he did that Biden didn't do.

The standard for Trump is:  how can we possibly interpret his behavior as illegal?  And as the presumptive Republican candidate, this approach seems a wee bit like trying to influence the election.

Funny you bring up the Hilary Clinton email server.

Didn’t Trump say lock her up for that?

Wasn't it basically a central mantra of his campaign?

In fact, in a presidential debate, did he not say he would put Clinton in jail??

So yeah, cry me a river. Dude brought it all on himself.

A different Republican I could agree.

[jerryskids 6,568]

42 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I understand how you can feel this way and this particular prosecution, a civil one, might strengthen such feelings. 
 

But I strongly reject this as an explanation or complaint regarding the more serious charges Trump faces: in particular the federal January 6 prosecution and the Georgia prosecution. In those cases if Trump was NOT charged then IMO the pendulum would swing in the other direction- he would be getting away with crimes against this country that others would not. I think they HAD to charge him. 

The 1/6 stuff is a joke.  He wasn't charged with insurrection because... he didn't cause an insurrection.  You know if the feds thought they had any chance of getting him on that, they'd have charged him.  Instead they scoured the federal code for 4 obscure charges, none of which approach insurrection.

1/6 is the poster child for "let's dig through the codes and figure something out to charge him with."   

I've always thought the Georgia stuff is the most egregious that he did.  He has the right to put his spin on what he said, but IMO it is fairly damning.

[jerryskids 6,568]

46 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Funny you bring up the Hilary Clinton email server.

Didn’t Trump say lock her up for that?

Wasn't it basically a central mantra of his campaign?

In fact, in a presidential debate, did he not say he would put Clinton in jail??

So yeah, cry me a river. Dude brought it all on himself.

A different Republican I could agree.

He was POTUS for 4 years... did he lock her up?  Or was he, I dunno, bloviating like he often does, but you Lefties take him seriously?

[IGotWorms 4,057]

39 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The 1/6 stuff is a joke.  He wasn't charged with insurrection because... he didn't cause an insurrection.  You know if the feds thought they had any chance of getting him on that, they'd have charged him.  Instead they scoured the federal code for 4 obscure charges, none of which approach insurrection.

1/6 is the poster child for "let's dig through the codes and figure something out to charge him with."   

I've always thought the Georgia stuff is the most egregious that he did.  He has the right to put his spin on what he said, but IMO it is fairly damning.

The Georgia stuff and fake elector schemes are part of the 1/6 federal charges

[Maximum Overkill 1,740]

 

[TimHauck 2,621]

15 hours ago, Strike said:

You bringing up Covid????  ROFLMAO

Yup, here’s the first one that comes to mind, another example of your inability to read.  You post an article claiming it was a Covid Armageddon in LA, including specifically saying “the article doesn’t say things have been improving,” I point it out it does, then you disappear from the conversation for a few days then when you come back you refused to admit you were wrong.

On 1/5/2021 at 12:41 PM, Strike said:

ROFLMAO.  Dude, it's like you're not even reading the links I'm posting. 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-05/la-county-residents-warned-covid-19-everywhere

I guess CNN and the LA Times are just lieing to people now. 

 

 

On 1/5/2021 at 12:55 PM, TimHauck said:

Well if I used links to those sites I'd get yelled at for quoting liberal rags...

That article doesn't really dispute what I said anyway.      Again I wasn't saying they were in good shape, I was saying it looks like they may be on the back end of the curve.   If you read that article, it was comparing the testing positive % to 11/1.    I'm saying some of the metrics appear to have been improving since about 12/18.    

Honestly it's doing a little bit of fearmongering by saying "we haven't even seen the people that got it over Christmas/New Years in the hospital yet!"   Several midwestern states had started the back end of their curve over Thanksgiving and yet it continued going down despite everyone yelling about Thanksgiving gatherings.   (Yes, this may be evidence that restrictions may not make a huge impact and I've repeated over and over that there shouldn't be many).

 

On 1/5/2021 at 1:00 PM, Strike said:

The article does not say things have been improving since 12/18.  It says the exact opposite.  Again, it seems like you're not even reading the links I'm posting.   This is directly from the LA Times article I posted:

If we can't even agree on how bad it is in Los Angeles, despite me posting multiple articles detailing it, there isn't anything to discuss.  But your credibility has taken another hit. 

 

On 1/5/2021 at 1:10 PM, TimHauck said:

To use your words, "ROFLMAO."

That quote you cited is just a prediction - the main comparison with actual data they use is vs. 11/1.   There is one line saying Monday set a new high for deaths - that's not a surprise as I was saying, since Monday was probably the first time many of the people doing the reporting were back at work.   The question will be if that keeps up.

Edit:  Actually missed this line at first "The state is now averaging about 37,000 cases a day over the last week, down from a high of about 45,000 in mid-December. "

BOOM ROASTED

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,740]

Smoked in her home State. And that's with the Democrats showing up in full force to vote for her. Truly pathetic! 

[seafoam1 2,803]

creepy joe's America...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/venezuela-migrants-linked-to-more-crimes-in-u-s-but-maduro-shuts-door-on-all-deportations

A wave of violent crimes being carried out across America has been linked to Venezuelan migrants and the U.S. government cannot deport any of them, as the South American country will not take any of its citizens back.

[HellToupee 1,588]

 

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Smoked in her home State. And that's with the Democrats showing up in full force to vote for her. Truly pathetic! 

Democrats couldn’t  vote for Haley in South Carolina: This embarrassment is all on Republicans, 

[edjr 6,578]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

 

any relation to Lincoln?

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

creepy joe's America...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/venezuela-migrants-linked-to-more-crimes-in-u-s-but-maduro-shuts-door-on-all-deportations

A wave of violent crimes being carried out across America has been linked to Venezuelan migrants and the U.S. government cannot deport any of them, as the South American country will not take any of its citizens back.

Venezuela is a socialist dictatorship. Even those who are skeptical of asylum claims would acknowledge that those who flee Venezuela would have a case to make. 

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

 

Anecdotes, no matter how ugly, should never be used to discuss policy. 

[jerryskids 6,568]

14 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

The Georgia stuff and fake elector schemes are part of the 1/6 federal charges

You may be correct that there is overlap; I was talking about his alleged attempt to take over the Capitol.  I haven't read through the indictments, at least recently.  Wouldn't that be some form of double jeopardy or similar?  I know they are state and fed, but I would think that they would need to keep them separate.   

[seafoam1 2,803]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Anecdotes, no matter how ugly, should never be used to discuss policy. 

No. You are wrong. And I wish it was your kid. 

[Fireballer 2,639]

28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Venezuela is a socialist dictatorship. Even those who are skeptical of asylum claims would acknowledge that those who flee Venezuela would have a case to make. 

Absolutely…in Columbia, Costs Rica,. Honduras, Guatemala, or any other country they pass through to get to the US

[IGotWorms 4,057]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Smoked in her home State. And that's with the Democrats showing up in full force to vote for her. Truly pathetic! 

Those numbers are wrong/fake, of course

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

14 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Absolutely…in Columbia, Costs Rica,. Honduras, Guatemala, or any other country they pass through to get to the US

And here as well. And this is the country they want to come to. Why not welcome them? 

[supermike80 1,804]

27 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

No. You are wrong. And I wish it was your kid. 

Super lame dude.   

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

Once again: I can understand the concern about dysfunction at the border. I can understand the concern about the large numbers coming right now and their drain on the resources of certain states: I get all that. 

But this anti-undocumented people hysteria, this attitude of unwelcoming and no sympathy, this attempt to tie them all to violent crimes- it’s so ugly and so unworthy of Americans. We seem to have completely forgotten who we are. 

[jerryskids 6,568]

13 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Absolutely…in Columbia, Costs Rica,. Honduras, Guatemala, or any other country they pass through to get to the US

But it's nicer here!  And they help our economy!  And they'll support Democrats once they get on the gravy train!

[Fireballer 2,639]

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And here as well. And this is the country they want to come to. Why not welcome them? 

Now youre no longer talking about legal asylum

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

But it's nicer here!  And they help our economy!  And they'll support Democrats once they get on the gravy train!

1. True. 
2. Absolutely true! 
3. Actually they won’t. And that’s not the motivation. 

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

Unacceptable, Terrible. 
 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/26/opinions/israel-gaza-rafah-children-aid-unicef-russell/index.html

I supported Israel at the beginning of this conflict. I can’t do it anymore. I can’t justify this suffering of children. 

Beyond the words I used above it’s also stupid. Israel isn’t making themselves safer. They’re just creating more hatred that will last for generations to come. And since we’re their biggest ally at least some of that hatred will be coming our way as well. 

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

The surgeon general of Florida continues to tell parents not to vaccinate their children, and measles are on the rise. 
 

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/26/measles-florida-surgeon-general

[Strike 5,204]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The surgeon general of Florida continues to tell parents not to vaccinate their children, and measles are on the rise. 
 

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/26/measles-florida-surgeon-general

Who gives a sh*t.  Any parent that needs the government to tell them how to parent is a poor parent.  Do your own research parents, something @The Real timschochet knows nothing about.

[Strike 5,204]

59 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Unacceptable, Terrible. 
 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/26/opinions/israel-gaza-rafah-children-aid-unicef-russell/index.html

I supported Israel at the beginning of this conflict. I can’t do it anymore. I can’t justify this suffering of children. 

Beyond the words I used above it’s also stupid. Israel isn’t making themselves safer. They’re just creating more hatred that will last for generations to come. And since we’re their biggest ally at least some of that hatred will be coming our way as well. 

It's a war Tim.  You think kids didn't die in WWII?   Should we have quit that war "for the children?"

[The Real timschochet 6,431]

21 minutes ago, Strike said:

It's a war Tim.  You think kids didn't die in WWII?   Should we have quit that war "for the children?"

I think that if you had told me that dropping bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki would not win the war, would only end up making Japan more powerful, and would achieve nothing except making the USA less safe I would have told you that it’s both an immoral decision and a dumb one. We dropped thousands of bombs on Hanoi and killed plenty of civilians. For what? To what good end? Sometimes we can learn from history. War doesn’t justify bad acts; we decided that at Nuremberg, remember?