Lunatic Alabama Supreme Court: frozen embryos are children

[Horseman 1,514]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

First off, this barely makes sense.

But you do understand that the Alabama Supreme Court IS the highest court in Alabama, yes?

Highly doubt there’s a federal question for the US Supreme Court to take on here. Not after striking down Roe

Sure there is.  

Libs like you say it's going to be an election issue. That's dumb. Its extreme hopeful wishing.  

[seafoam1 1,879]

7 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Sure there is.  

Libs like you say it's going to be an election issue. That's dumb. Its extreme hopeful wishing.  

Libs are really stupid. 

[Ron_Artest 681]

 

[Bert 1,091]

On 2/21/2024 at 4:27 AM, IGotWorms said:

 

An Alabama Supreme Court’s ruling that frozen embryos in test tubes should be considered children has sent shock waves through the world of reproductive medicine, casting doubt over fertility care for would-be parents in the state and raising complex legal questions with implications extending far beyond Alabama.

On Tuesday, Karine Jean-Pierre, the White House press secretary, said the ruling would cause “exactly the type of chaos that we expected when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and paved the way for politicians to dictate some of the most personal decisions families can make.”

Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One as President Biden traveled to California, Ms. Jean-Pierre reiterated the Biden administration’s call for Congress to codify the protections of Roe v. Wade into federal law.

“As a reminder, this is the same state whose attorney general threatened to prosecute people who help women travel out of state to seek the care they need,” she said, referring to Alabama, which began enforcing a total abortion ban in June 2022.

The judges issued the ruling on Friday in appeals cases brought by couples whose embryos were destroyed in 2020, when a hospital patient removed frozen embryos from tanks of liquid nitrogen in Mobile and dropped them on the floor.

Referencing antiabortion language in the state constitution, the judges’ majority opinion said that an 1872 statute allowing parents to sue over the wrongful death of a minor child applies to unborn children, with no exception for “extrauterine children.”

“Even before birth, all human beings have the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory,” Chief Justice Tom Parker wrote in a concurring opinion, citing scripture.

Infertility specialists and legal experts said the ruling had potentially profound effects, which should be of concern to every American who may need to access reproductive services like in vitro fertilization.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/20/health/ivf-alabama-abortion.html

I'm with you on this one.  Morons.

[Ron_Artest 681]

14 hours ago, Horseman said:

Sure there is.  

Libs like you say it's going to be an election issue. That's dumb. Its extreme hopeful wishing.  

“It certainly intersects, badly, with general election politics for Republicans,” said Stan Barnes, a political consultant and former Republican state senator in Arizona. “When a state, any state, takes an aggressive action on this particular topic, people are once again made aware of it and many think: ‘Maybe I can’t support a Republican in the general election.’”

[Cdub100 3,381]

On 2/21/2024 at 9:18 AM, TBayXXXVII said:

Why are liberals upset about this?  They're mad that an embryo that will never be born, can't be destroyed?  Really?  That's their gripe?

Yes liberals and every person who votes for democrat's second favorite thing is killing babies. Of course, their first favorite is sexually abusing children.

[Ron_Artest 681]

On 2/21/2024 at 9:18 AM, TBayXXXVII said:

Why are liberals upset about this?  They're mad that an embryo that will never be born, can't be destroyed?  Really?  That's their gripe?

The gripe is that it denies couples from IVF treatment, denies them the chance to have a baby.

Why do you support this?

[Horseman 1,514]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

“It certainly intersects, badly, with general election politics for Republicans,” said Stan Barnes, a political consultant and former Republican state senator in Arizona. “When a state, any state, takes an aggressive action on this particular topic, people are once again made aware of it and many think: ‘Maybe I can’t support a Republican in the general election.’”

Stan Barnes? 

1990 called and they want their senator that's trying to stay relevant back.  

 

[Cdub100 3,381]

11 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The gripe is that it denies couples from IVF treatment, denies them the chance to have a baby.

Why do you support this?

Explain how...

[Ron_Artest 681]

18 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Explain how...

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-pause-4cf5d3139e1a6cbc62bc5ad9946cc1b8

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

Ron Gutterboy is so pro choice he didn’t vote for president last time.  Sad troll. 

[Fnord 1,141]

39 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Yes liberals and every person who votes for democrat's second favorite thing is killing babies. Of course, their first favorite is sexually abusing children.

Too bad for you no open members of the Klan are running for POTUS. They'd have your vote sewn up. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

42 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Yes liberals and every person who votes for democrat's second favorite thing is killing babies. Of course, their first favorite is sexually abusing children.

Both are in the DNC platform. 

[Cdub100 3,381]

6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Too bad for you no open members of the Klan are running for POTUS. They'd have your vote sewn up. 

Even if there was I don't vote for democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United_States_politics

[zsasz 199]

Between this, the Hunter Biden witness being a Russian shill andTrump's court case failures...things are looking up for the country. 

[zsasz 199]

50 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Yes liberals and every person who votes for democrat's second favorite thing is killing babies. Of course, their first favorite is sexually abusing children.

To be fair though...if your mom killed her babies...it would be our first favorite thing! 

[TimHauck 1,801]

20 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

https://apnews.com/article/alabama-frozen-embryos-pause-4cf5d3139e1a6cbc62bc5ad9946cc1b8

Can you clarify the logic here?  I’m not an expert on IVF…is it because with IVF they try to fertilize a bunch of eggs and may only use one or something, so they could get charged in reference to the ones that aren’t used?

[Cdub100 3,381]

3 minutes ago, zsasz said:

To be fair though...if your mom killed her babies...it would be our first favorite thing! 

Yup she failed at that along with keeping her legs closed.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

11 minutes ago, zsasz said:

To be fair though...if your mom killed her babies...it would be our first favorite thing! 

Anyone know what clown this one is? Made a handle in 2005 and didn’t post with it for 15 years. What a Fockin loser. 

[zsasz 199]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Anyone know what clown this one is? Made a handle in 2005 and didn’t post with it for 15 years. What a Fockin loser. 

Always good to see the Show Horse in the Conservative Useful Idiots Trifecta weighing in!

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

1 minute ago, zsasz said:

Always good to see the Show Horse in the Conservative Useful Idiots Trifecta weighing in!

So who are you? What would make a grown man set up aliases and sit on them for 15 years is  baffling. Pathetic.  

[zsasz 199]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So who are you? What would make a grown man set up aliases and sit on them for 15 years is  baffling. Pathetic.  

I'm OG here since 05.  You've been here since 15?  Show some more respect toward your elders, Boy. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

10 minutes ago, zsasz said:

I'm OG here since 05.  You've been here since 15?  Show some more respect toward your elders, Boy. 

Sure. Joined in 2005 and sat it out for 15 years. Ok, you’re not some jerkoff trying too hard. 

[zsasz 199]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sure. Joined in 2005 and sat it out for 15 years. Ok, you’re not some jerkoff trying too hard. 

Better to be a jerk off than jerked on, which by reading the postings on these boards....those FBGs like Tim are doing to you regularly. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,117]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

The gripe is that it denies couples from IVF treatment, denies them the chance to have a baby.

Why do you support this?

The ruling doesn't do that.  Liberals pouting and not getting their way, is doing that.

[MDC 5,892]

I wondered how long it was going to take Captain Whataboutism to deflect.

About 4 posts it turns out. 

[Mark Davis 169]

On the bright side, Alabama does have an age limit for judge positions.  Parker is 72 and therefore can't run for re-election in November.

[Ron_Artest 681]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Can you clarify the logic here?  I’m not an expert on IVF…is it because with IVF they try to fertilize a bunch of eggs and may only use one or something, so they could get charged in reference to the ones that aren’t used?

I'm no expert either but I believe they discard embryos they don't use.  That the reason for the pause, to see if they can be charged with murder for doing so.

[Ron_Artest 681]

At least 16 year olds can get married in Alabama.  Can't flush an embryo but rape a kid, sure.

[Horseman 1,514]

5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm no expert either but I believe they discard embryos they don't use.  That the reason for the pause, to see if they can be charged with murder for doing so.

Murder.

Youre no expert thats for sure, at even reading your own link. They ruled on a civil law dumbasss.  It means parents can bring suit against them for accidentally destroying an embryo.  It would be covered under Alabama’s Wrongful Death of a Minor Act.  You couldn't get any dumber if you repeatedly hit yourself in the head with a hammer. 

Murder.

[Horseman 1,514]

On 2/21/2024 at 6:46 PM, Horseman said:

Nikki Haley sides with the embryos are kids crew. 

This is such a non-issue as soon as the higher courts overturn or Trump says how dumb it is yet the libs are on full tilt.

Yep. 

Biden - It’s Trumps fault!

Haley - I agree embryos are kids. 

Trump - The Alabama Court needs to go back to the ruling and figure out a way to make IV available to anyone that wants it. 
 

That’s all you need to know. The end. 
 

[gas 72]

On 2/21/2024 at 6:51 PM, Horseman said:

Sure there is.  

Libs like you say it's going to be an election issue. That's dumb. Its extreme hopeful wishing.  

Wow.   Talk about focking stupid.   Abortion was a big issue in 2022, (and how'd that go for you, btw?), and you MAGAts are sticking your heads up your collective asses pretending that it's not going to be an issue in 24.

[Horseman 1,514]

Just now, gas said:

Wow.   Talk about focking stupid.   Abortion was a big issue in 2022, (and how'd that go for you, btw?), and you MAGAts are sticking your heads up your collective asses pretending that it's not going to be an issue in 24.

You might want to read the couple posts just above yours. You've been duped.  

It happens. Should read the whole thread first. 

[seafoam1 1,879]

On 2/21/2024 at 5:27 AM, IGotWorms said:

 

An Alabama Supreme Court’s ruling that frozen embryos in test tubes should be considered children has sent shock waves through the world of reproductive medicine, casting doubt over fertility care for would-be parents in the state and raising complex legal questions with implications extending far beyond Alabama.

On Tuesday, Karine Jean-Pierre, the White House press secretary, said the ruling would cause “exactly the type of chaos that we expected when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and paved the way for politicians to dictate some of the most personal decisions families can make.”

Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One as President Biden traveled to California, Ms. Jean-Pierre reiterated the Biden administration’s call for Congress to codify the protections of Roe v. Wade into federal law.

“As a reminder, this is the same state whose attorney general threatened to prosecute people who help women travel out of state to seek the care they need,” she said, referring to Alabama, which began enforcing a total abortion ban in June 2022.

The judges issued the ruling on Friday in appeals cases brought by couples whose embryos were destroyed in 2020, when a hospital patient removed frozen embryos from tanks of liquid nitrogen in Mobile and dropped them on the floor.

Referencing antiabortion language in the state constitution, the judges’ majority opinion said that an 1872 statute allowing parents to sue over the wrongful death of a minor child applies to unborn children, with no exception for “extrauterine children.”

“Even before birth, all human beings have the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory,” Chief Justice Tom Parker wrote in a concurring opinion, citing scripture.

Infertility specialists and legal experts said the ruling had potentially profound effects, which should be of concern to every American who may need to access reproductive services like in vitro fertilization.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/20/health/ivf-alabama-abortion.html

Worms is an idiot. Let's push it as far as we can. 

[Horseman 1,514]

It's like when Lucy pulls the ball away from Charlie Brown.  Election issue!!! Whoops. They fall for it every time.  

 

 

 

[TimHauck 1,801]

29 minutes ago, Horseman said:

It's like when Lucy pulls the ball away from Charlie Brown.  Election issue!!! Whoops. They fall for it every time.  

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Yep. 

Biden - It’s Trumps fault!

Haley - I agree embryos are kids. 

Trump - The Alabama Court needs to go back to the ruling and figure out a way to make IV available to anyone that wants it. 
 

That’s all you need to know. The end. 
 

Weird, why would Trump or the AL governor have to make statements like that if the ruling couldn’t be used to prosecute people over discarding of IVF embryos (even if not for murder)?

Sounds like a new bill will be needed to clarify that, so I don’t blame IVF providers for pausing services.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,653]

Abortion up till birth has a lot more advocates than no abortion at all. Who are the extremists again? 

[Horseman 1,514]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

 

Weird, why would Trump or the AL governor have to make statements like that if the ruling couldn’t be used to prosecute people over discarding of IVF embryos (even if not for murder)?

Why is it so difficult for some to do a bit of research and reading without having to be spoon fed everything? Let me try and dumb it down for you. 

- It was a ruling on a civil suit. It allowed parents to sue the clinics for accidentally destroying an embryo.  

- Of the two major clinics in AL one decided it wasnt worth the risk and turned patients away. The other kept going. 

- It was never a thing where clinic workers or parents were going to get criminally charged. You were duped if you believed that. 

- It was never a Republican agenda item, election issue. You were duped if you believed that. 

Now that that I've educated you on the topic, ask yourself who duped you and why you let it happen. You're welcome.  

[IGotWorms 3,315]

6 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Why is it so difficult for some to do a bit of research and reading without having to be spoon fed everything? Let me try and dumb it down for you. 

- It was a ruling on a civil suit. It allowed parents to sue the clinics for accidentally destroying an embryo.  

- Of the two major clinics in AL one decided it wasnt worth the risk and turned patients away. The other kept going. 

- It was never a thing where clinic workers or parents were going to get criminally charged. You were duped if you believed that. 

- It was never a Republican agenda item, election issue. You were duped if you believed that. 

Now that that I've educated you on the topic, ask yourself who duped you and why you let it happen. You're welcome.  

No one said the bolded. That’s you making sh1t up.

And it wasn’t just any civil case, it was for WRONGFUL DEATH.

As for the rest, there are certainly many implications from overturning Roe and then in Alabama with that courts ruling. Obviously there are, otherwise Trump and the GOP would never have had to “clarify” that they support IVF

[Horseman 1,514]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Abortion up till birth has a lot more advocates than no abortion at all. Who are the extremists again? 

100% 

I'm as big a pro choice conservative you'll ever find. Have as many abortions as you want. IDGAF. Probably better for everyone if you dont breed.  

Then I found out that some states allow clinics, shown right on their websites, that you can come in at 9 plus months and they will essentially help you have a still birth. I mean wtf? What excuse is there that you cant get your chit together and kill it at 6 months?