Lunatic Alabama Supreme Court: frozen embryos are children

[IGotWorms]

 

An Alabama Supreme Court’s ruling that frozen embryos in test tubes should be considered children has sent shock waves through the world of reproductive medicine, casting doubt over fertility care for would-be parents in the state and raising complex legal questions with implications extending far beyond Alabama.

On Tuesday, Karine Jean-Pierre, the White House press secretary, said the ruling would cause “exactly the type of chaos that we expected when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and paved the way for politicians to dictate some of the most personal decisions families can make.”

Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One as President Biden traveled to California, Ms. Jean-Pierre reiterated the Biden administration’s call for Congress to codify the protections of Roe v. Wade into federal law.

“As a reminder, this is the same state whose attorney general threatened to prosecute people who help women travel out of state to seek the care they need,” she said, referring to Alabama, which began enforcing a total abortion ban in June 2022.

The judges issued the ruling on Friday in appeals cases brought by couples whose embryos were destroyed in 2020, when a hospital patient removed frozen embryos from tanks of liquid nitrogen in Mobile and dropped them on the floor.

Referencing antiabortion language in the state constitution, the judges’ majority opinion said that an 1872 statute allowing parents to sue over the wrongful death of a minor child applies to unborn children, with no exception for “extrauterine children.”

“Even before birth, all human beings have the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory,” Chief Justice Tom Parker wrote in a concurring opinion, citing scripture.

Infertility specialists and legal experts said the ruling had potentially profound effects, which should be of concern to every American who may need to access reproductive services like in vitro fertilization.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/20/health/ivf-alabama-abortion.html

[TimHauck]

Do they have heartbeats?  I thought that was what the religious nuts said made it a baby

[listen2me 23]

I honestly don't know why the right is doing this.  

[Maximum Overkill]

41 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

An Alabama Supreme Court’s ruling that frozen embryos in test tubes should be considered children

That's stupid! 

[Hardcore troubadour]

Saying a late term child in the womb  isn’t a child is worse. Much worse. I don’t know why the left does that. 

[seafoam1]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Saying a late term child in the womb  isn’t a child is worse. Much worse. I don’t know why the left does that. 

Anything to overshadow their killing of babies. 

[Voltaire]

I guess infertile Alabama couples have to go to any of the 49 other states.

[cyclone24]

Lol you liberals don’t really care about this other than the fact that it might make it more difficult for you to kill babies. That literally is the end of the list of why you would care.  
 

Effing ghouls 

[seafoam1]

8 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Lol you liberals don’t really care about this other than the fact that it might make it more difficult for you to kill babies. That literally is the end of the list of why you would care.  
 

Effing ghouls 

Can't deny that. 

[Cdub100]

Because they are children. 

[Hardcore troubadour]

Has there ever been an aborted child that was happy with that decision? I know there are many children born that are happy that they weren’t aborted. Most of them grow up to be adults.  

[seafoam1]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Has there ever been an aborted child that was happy with that decision? I know there are many children born that are happy that they weren’t aborted. Most of them grow up to be adults.  

Is @IGotWorms happy he wasn't aborted? 

[cyclone24]

48 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Is @IGotWorms happy he wasn't aborted? 

Lol was waiting for that.

[TBayXXXVII]

Why are liberals upset about this?  They're mad that an embryo that will never be born, can't be destroyed?  Really?  That's their gripe?

[weepaws]

Great news, woman let’s stop the murder of your unborn children, abortion needs to go bye bye,   But trump and biden the government loves killing those unborn children. 

[TimHauck]

28 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Why are liberals upset about this?  They're mad that an embryo that will never be born, can't be destroyed?  Really?  That's their gripe?

in this specific instance, where the “parents” are suing for wrongful death because a rando destroyed the embryos, I guess you could compare it to someone killing a pregnant lady being charged with double murder even if the lady could still have an abortion, and thus kinda makes sense.

It seems the concern is more about applying this ruling in other ways.

[seafoam1]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

in this specific instance, where the “parents” are suing for wrongful death because a rando destroyed the embryos, I guess you could compare it to someone killing a pregnant lady being charged with double murder even if the lady could still have an abortion, and thus kinda makes sense.

It seems the concern is more about applying this ruling in other ways.

Do you wish you were aborted or happy the abortion attempt failed? 

[TBayXXXVII]

29 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

in this specific instance, where the “parents” are suing for wrongful death because a rando destroyed the embryos, I guess you could compare it to someone killing a pregnant lady being charged with double murder even if the lady could still have an abortion, and thus kinda makes sense.

It seems the concern is more about applying this ruling in other ways.

I only read the OP, I couldn't read the NYT article.  I see a frozen embryo as property, because it's not in the woman and attached.  Going by what you're saying is in the article, then I think the proper route would be to allow the law be written to give the parents to decide the course of action.  If the parents want to say, "Nah, flush it", then that's what should happen.  If the parents want a wrongful death suit or murder, then that's fine with me too.

The problem with abortion is that both sides want and need, abortion to be a political football.

[TimHauck]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I only read the OP, I couldn't read the NYT article.  I see a frozen embryo as property, because it's not in the woman and attached.  Going by what you're saying is in the article, then I think the proper route would be to allow the law be written to give the parents to decide the course of action.  If the parents want to say, "Nah, flush it", then that's what should happen.  If the parents want a wrongful death suit or murder, then that's fine with me too.

The problem with abortion is that both sides want and need, abortion to be a political football.

I didn’t read the NYT article either, just clicked the link where it said “judge issued a ruling”

https://publicportal-api.alappeals.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-4735-9a76-5360b2e8af13/cms/case/343D203A-B13D-463A-8176-C46E3AE4F695/docketentrydocuments/E3D95592-3CBE-4384-AFA6-063D4595AA1D

[TBayXXXVII]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I didn’t read the NYT article either, just clicked the link where it said “judge issued a ruling”

https://publicportal-api.alappeals.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-4735-9a76-5360b2e8af13/cms/case/343D203A-B13D-463A-8176-C46E3AE4F695/docketentrydocuments/E3D95592-3CBE-4384-AFA6-063D4595AA1D

Judging by the first half dozen pages, I'm ok with the decision under current Alabama law.  That said, I think my initial take is the right one.  The laws should be written to allow the parents to decide the legal direction.

Abortion does not belong under the government purview.  I'm ok with governmental boundaries, but overall, individual rights.  Smoking, and alcohol are similar.  People have the right to smoke and drink... AND PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES, but the government says at what age they're allowed to.  The same can apply to abortion.  If a parent wants to kill their kid, fine, they have to pay for it out of their own pocket.  I'm ok with a federal mandate of a time period... not exceeding 21 weeks.

At that point, how Alabama sees the embryo's, should be acceptable across the board.  Meaning, an embryo outside the body has the same right to life as if it were inside the body.

[iam90sbaby]

I wish worms mother would've aborted him

[IGotWorms]

3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Why are liberals upset about this?  They're mad that an embryo that will never be born, can't be destroyed?  Really?  That's their gripe?

If you had bothered to read the article, it discussed many reasons that healthcare providers and couples who struggle with fertility (not liberals) are concerned with the ruling

[IGotWorms]

6 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

I honestly don't know why the right is doing this.  

They cannot help themselves. See all your fellow righties in this thread, for example.

I’d be embarrassed to be associated with them  

[TBayXXXVII]

40 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

If you had bothered to read the article, it discussed many reasons that healthcare providers and couples who struggle with fertility (not liberals) are concerned with the ruling

NYT articles are written by liberals who only talk to liberals.  Nothing more than a propaganda rag promoting the leftist agenda.  They're on par with The Enquirer.

[EternalShinyAndChrome]

7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

NYT articles are written by liberals who only talk to liberals.  Nothing more than a propaganda rag promoting the leftist agenda.  They're on par with The Enquirer.

But the Enquirer actually get's it right sometimes.

[EternalShinyAndChrome]

2 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

I wish worms mother would've aborted him

Actually, she did at 8 months.  Worms is a failed abortion.

[Engorgeous George]

I am going to need implantation in the uterine wall before I considerit life or a child.

[IGotWorms]

19 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Actually, she did at 8 months.  Worms is a failed abortion.

You righties sure are nasty people

[Hardcore troubadour]

Imagine blue state leftards questioning another states laws. How’s things going in Portland with their laws? Lol. Bet shoplifting in Alabama gets prosecuted. 

[TBayXXXVII]

37 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I am going to need implantation in the uterine wall before I considerit life or a child.

The reason I don't have an issue with the law is because Alabama law states that an embryo inside or outside the body is life, hence requires the same protection.  If that's the foundation, abortion laws need to apply to both.  Neither the left or the right, are correct on the abortion issue, but at the very least, they need to be consistent.

[IGotWorms]

CNN — 

The University of Alabama at Birmingham health system became the first organization in the state to confirm it is pausing in vitro fertilization (IVF) treatment following an Alabama Supreme Court ruling that found frozen embryos are children, the health system said in a statement to AL.com.

The system said it was “saddened” for patients interested in the IVF process.

“We must evaluate the potential that our patients and our physicians could be prosecuted criminally or face punitive damages for following the standard of care for IVF treatments,” university spokesperson Hannah Echols told AL.com.

[wiffleball]

What about Masturbatory Emissions? 

[wiffleball]

Seeing as how it's alabama, those family reunions are going to get a lot bigger.

 

CousinSickles

[lickin_starfish]

Many abortion supporters believe that life happens when a baby is able to sustain itself outside of the womb. 

This means that most liberals are subject to abortion at any age, since they leach off of society long after birth.

[edjr]

Can I get a ruling on what Ted Williams frozen haid is?

[TBayXXXVII]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

CNN — 

The University of Alabama at Birmingham health system became the first organization in the state to confirm it is pausing in vitro fertilization (IVF) treatment following an Alabama Supreme Court ruling that found frozen embryos are children, the health system said in a statement to AL.com.

The system said it was “saddened” for patients interested in the IVF process.

“We must evaluate the potential that our patients and our physicians could be prosecuted criminally or face punitive damages for following the standard of care for IVF treatments,” university spokesperson Hannah Echols told AL.com.

This is a good thing.  Anytime a leftist establishment shuts down its operations, the country wins.

[listen2me 23]

4 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

They cannot help themselves. See all your fellow righties in this thread, for example.

I’d be embarrassed to be associated with them  

I admittedly didnt really read the article.  I dont know what the laws are or who got sued.  

On the surface "protecting" frozen embryos is stupid.  What property people stole or destroyed...i didnt read.  

As HT randomly mentioned eariler....late term abortion is stupid as well as evil.  

In a vacuum both are stupid.  But I didn't read any fine print on this or as to why they are doing it.  Just sounds goofy as hell.  

Abortion is basically a non issue for me.  When it comes to voting it doesn't register.  I don't think the right should fight this abortion battle tooth and nail but thats coming from a political stance.   I myself don't care either way.  Don't abort babies late term, thats all I care about on this issue.  

[Horseman]

Dumb.

This is the right's version of gender affirming care or late term abortion.  Glad we can call out the lunatics on both sides.  

[Horseman]

Nikki Haley sides with the embryos are kids crew. 

This is such a non-issue as soon as the higher courts overturn or Trump says how dumb it is yet the libs are on full tilt.

[IGotWorms]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

This is such a non-issue as soon as the higher courts overturn or Trump says how dumb it is yet the libs are on full tilt.

First off, this barely makes sense.

But you do understand that the Alabama Supreme Court IS the highest court in Alabama, yes?

Highly doubt there’s a federal question for the US Supreme Court to take on here. Not after striking down Roe