Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[RLLD 4,191]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Your point I responded to was the media instructed us to dislike Trump. Terrible take.

I don’t care for many of his polices as well. But you don’t need anyone to tell you he’s a total schmuck

I understand you might tend to disagree, but it works, it is effective and people are clearly falling for it.  Which policy do you think is perhaps the one you might point at as being the worst?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,308]

42 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Ok, so Mara Lago is free? and i can just go have lunch with him? because he is a man of the people?  anyone? even a tranny or illegal immigrant?

Goalposts. Saying he would hang out and buy anyone a drink means you’re welcome at someone’s house??

and yes Blaire white has been to events with him so trannies even 

[supermike80 1,876]

If the election were held today, I'd bet Kamala would win.  There is just wayyyy too much anti Trump sentiment and he is definitely a flawed candidate.  Kamala sucks too, but again, the democrats are simply voting "not Trump"  Makes no difference who their pick is, and they picked probably the worst they could..But they had to.  They  are betting that the "not Trump" voters will give her a win.  And right now I believe they will get it

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,308]

39 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I feel sad for you if you actually believe this.

I just hear from people at casinos and restaurants that have met him. Bell boys. Door men 

[RLLD 4,191]

13 minutes ago, MDC said:

Your claim was that the media told people to dislike Trump. He’s been known as a POS for decades. Try to keep up.

Both are true, reading comprehension is not your thing

[thegeneral 3,100]

8 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

Almost.   

Post more of your Twitter propagandists

[RLLD 4,191]

12 minutes ago, squistion said:

No one had to tell me Trump is a bigot, a racist and a mean spirited bully, it was apparent from listening to him after the started speaking after he came down the escalator. 

Id those are your perceptions then you absolutely got that from the media, none of that was a thing until the media created propaganda toward it

[thegeneral 3,100]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I understand you might tend to disagree, but it works, it is effective and people are clearly falling for it.  Which policy do you think is perhaps the one you might point at as being the worst?

Yeah there’s no media telling all these cucked Republican / MAGA voters what to think. How blind are you?

 

[JuneJuly 193]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Post more of your Twitter propagandists

Sure.  Keep your dress on an keep voting with your feelings.  

[The Real timschochet 6,586]

4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

If the election were held today, I'd bet Kamala would win.  There is just wayyyy too much anti Trump sentiment and he is definitely a flawed candidate.  Kamala sucks too, but again, the democrats are simply voting "not Trump"  Makes no difference who their pick is, and they picked probably the worst they could..But they had to.  They  are betting that the "not Trump" voters will give her a win.  And right now I believe they will get it

Democrats are no longer merely voting “not Trump.” They’re voting FOR Kamala. That is the current reality though few people around her seem to realize it. 

[Hawkeye21 2,390]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I just hear from people at casinos and restaurants that have met him. Bell boys. Door men 

He would step on them if it meant he could benefit from it.  Any narcissistic, ass hole can act nice to random people.

[supermike80 1,876]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Democrats are no longer merely voting “not Trump.” They’re voting FOR Kamala. That is the current reality though few people around her seem to realize it. 

Oh Bs...They are not.   

No matter who the democrats selected to replace Biden, they would have had this support.  To say there is no "not Trump" voting going on shows you really don't know anything about anything

[Strike 5,385]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Democrats are no longer merely voting “not Trump.” They’re voting FOR Kamala. That is the current reality though few people around her seem to realize it. 

This is ridiculous.  She doesn't even have a platform and her team is reversing all her previously stated positions.  No one is voting FOR her. 

[RLLD 4,191]

6 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I'm genuinely asking... I am a middle of the road, mostly conservative man, socially liberal (in that I don't think the government should tell people how to live their lives) who makes good money and lives in California... what did Donald Trump do for me? What will he do for me?  (and i know my vote doesn't count because I live in CA and the Electoral College means my vote is meaningless)   I live in CA and i don't feel like we are over-run with illegals. My taxes went up because he capped the SALT tax.    So why should I vote for Trump? (who non politically I think is a horrible person)

Question was already answered in another response to you yesterday.  But lets see.....based on your individual set of circumstances, might add these....

The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000 in 2020.
The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs.
Household net worth rose $7.4 trillion in Q2 2020 to $112 trillion, an all-time high.
Home prices hit an all-time record high.
More than 6 million American workers received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to the tax cuts.
A typical family of four earning $75,000 received an income tax cut of more than $2,000 – slashing their tax bill in half.
Cut the business tax rate from 35 percent – the highest in the developed world – all the way down to 21 percent.
Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income.
Businesses can now deduct 100 percent of the cost of their capital investments in the year the investment is made.
Since the passage of tax cuts, the share of total wealth held by the bottom half of households has increased, while the share held by the top 1 percent has decreased.
Over 400 companies have announced bonuses, wage increases, new hires, or new investments in the United States.
Over $1.5 trillion was repatriated into the United States from overseas.
Lower investment cost and higher capital returns led to faster growth in the middle class, real wages, and international competitiveness.

[RLLD 4,191]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Yeah there’s no media telling all these cucked Republican / MAGA voters what to think. How blind are you?

 

There is Fox who definitely does the same thing as CNN....and MSNBC.....and CBS.....and ABC.....and NBC.....

[gas 153]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

I’m from New York. People have disliked Trump for decades. Same reaction normal folks have to roaches and other vermin.  

Yup.   I’ve loathed that since the 80’s.   Imagine my surprise when the MAGAts made him their cult leader.

[Fireballer 2,641]

Hold on, this dude drank a large amount of horse jizz and had to have his stomach pumped?  Is this real, or internet BS?

[purdygood 343]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Question was already answered in another response to you yesterday.  But lets see.....based on your individual set of circumstances, might add these....

The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000 in 2020.
The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs.
Household net worth rose $7.4 trillion in Q2 2020 to $112 trillion, an all-time high.
Home prices hit an all-time record high.
More than 6 million American workers received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to the tax cuts.
A typical family of four earning $75,000 received an income tax cut of more than $2,000 – slashing their tax bill in half.
Cut the business tax rate from 35 percent – the highest in the developed world – all the way down to 21 percent.
Small businesses can now deduct 20 percent of their business income.
Businesses can now deduct 100 percent of the cost of their capital investments in the year the investment is made.
Since the passage of tax cuts, the share of total wealth held by the bottom half of households has increased, while the share held by the top 1 percent has decreased.
Over 400 companies have announced bonuses, wage increases, new hires, or new investments in the United States.
Over $1.5 trillion was repatriated into the United States from overseas.
Lower investment cost and higher capital returns led to faster growth in the middle class, real wages, and international competitiveness.

I appreciate your response. Thank you. I will look into these line items.

[thegeneral 3,100]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

There is Fox who definitely does the same thing as CNN....and MSNBC.....and CBS.....and ABC.....and NBC.....

Now check FOX ratings versus all of those. FOX is essentially MSNBC. It’s for people to watch and waive their pom poms. It just has like 3X the viewers.

There’s YouTube, Twitter, social media of all sorts to suit your political flavor. 

You constantly have this idea that libs, Dems, etc are the only people who do “insert behavior” here. I kind of assume you are just fishing, but if not it’s a pretty silly take.

 

[Mark Davis 380]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Democrats are no longer merely voting “not Trump.” They’re voting FOR Kamala. That is the current reality though few people around her seem to realize it. 

Maybe, but their voting for an image of her that they have more than anything they have heard her say or know.  We have really no idea what she stands for.  Is she the Medicare for All person or is she not?  Fracking, yay or nay?  She's been on one side, now we are hearing she's on the other of some of these issues.  What's funny is, she hasn't told us.  It's obvious they don't want her having to give answers on the fly.  That's not a slam, it's smart on the part of her campaign and handlers because it's working and at least for now the press isn't pushing her on it. 

Let's not pretend she's some great orator and she's bringing people in that way.  People were hungry for anything but the two folks we had running, and for now she is that stand in.  Maybe she makes it to the finish line without having to be more, I don't know.

[JuneJuly 193]

6 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Hold on, this dude drank a large amount of horse jizz and had to have his stomach pumped?  Is this real, or internet BS?

Satire

[thegeneral 3,100]

2 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

 

9 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Hold on, this dude drank a large amount of horse jizz and had to have his stomach pumped?  Is this real, or internet BS?

Satire

 

Thanks for clearing that up

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

23 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Id those are your perceptions then you absolutely got that from the media, none of that was a thing until the media created propaganda toward it

Trump has been a known quantity in entertainment since at least the mid 80's. people knew he tended to have bully qualities (it was sort of a fundamental tenant of the show he was heavily involved in)

He was sued for racial housing discrimination in the mid 70's. The Central Park Five he continued to rail about in the 2000's even after they were exonerated by evidence. 

Those things are not media fabrications. They are facts- and this implication that people have that Trump dropped out of the sky in 2015 and no one knew anything about him before that is silly. 

[Herbivore 1,123]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Exactly/  You were instructed by MSM to dislike Trump and vote against him, you were not alone.

I like my debates with you ray. Lately though, you have been making some silly statements. You need to stop thinking that everyone that thinks differently from you is following or being lead. Most people dislike Trump because he is d!ck. 

[Fnord 2,175]

41 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

True or False:  Had Donald Trump ran for President under the same policies, as a Democrat, the media would've loved him.

False.

Back atcha: Same setup, but Trump as a Democrat, if the Reps held congress, would have been impeached and removed.

[thegeneral 3,100]

33 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Id those are your perceptions then you absolutely got that from the media, none of that was a thing until the media created propaganda toward it

This is such a wild take. Did you really not know he was a cornball, carnival barker prior to 2016

[The Real timschochet 6,586]

22 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Oh Bs...They are not.   

No matter who the democrats selected to replace Biden, they would have had this support.  To say there is no "not Trump" voting going on shows you really don't know anything about anything

 

20 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is ridiculous.  She doesn't even have a platform and her team is reversing all her previously stated positions.  No one is voting FOR her. 

I get it. You guys aren’t paying attention to the huge excitement she is generating, the tons of people attending her rallies. I bring this up and talk about the incredible enthusiasm and how her speech making is now at a level matching Obama and Reagan, and I get mocked. You guys simply refuse to believe it. And yet it’s happening. 

Maybe it’s all temporary. Maybe in a few weeks this will all fade away. But I doubt it. Kamala Harris is offering hope, joy, a positive outlook. These are not meaningless words to most voters. She is the antithesis of the doom and gloom that Trump consistently projects. People want a hero; as Paul Simon once wrote, a nation will forever turn its lonely eyes to Joe DiMaggio. They want somebody to look up to and feel good about. Thats at the root of what’s happening here. You guys haven’t realized it yet. But you will. 

[zsasz 366]

29 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Democrats are no longer merely voting “not Trump.” They’re voting FOR Kamala. That is the current reality though few people around her seem to realize it. 

 I think more and more people, everyday....are voting "FOR Kamala".  But right now, "not Trump" is still the main reason. She is generating some legitimate excitement though.  

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,228]

11 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Trump has been a known quantity in entertainment since at least the mid 80's. people knew he tended to have bully qualities (it was sort of a fundamental tenant of the show he was heavily involved in)

He was sued for racial housing discrimination in the mid 70's. The Central Park Five he continued to rail about in the 2000's even after they were exonerated by evidence. 

Those things are not media fabrications. They are facts- and this implication that people have that Trump dropped out of the sky in 2015 and no one knew anything about him before that is silly. 

That lawsuit was settled in 1973 when DJT was 26 years old. Stop lying that he discriminated against anyone. The incidents occurred in the 60’s when he was in college. 

[The Real timschochet 6,586]

10 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Maybe, but their voting for an image of her that they have more than anything they have heard her say or know.  We have really no idea what she stands for.  Is she the Medicare for All person or is she not?  Fracking, yay or nay?  She's been on one side, now we are hearing she's on the other of some of these issues.  What's funny is, she hasn't told us.  It's obvious they don't want her having to give answers on the fly.  That's not a slam, it's smart on the part of her campaign and handlers because it's working and at least for now the press isn't pushing her on it. 

Let's not pretend she's some great orator and she's bringing people in that way.  People were hungry for anything but the two folks we had running, and for now she is that stand in.  Maybe she makes it to the finish line without having to be more, I don't know.

This is a far better analysis than that offered by @supermike80 or @Strike but I feel you still miss two key points: 

1. She really has become a great orator. I honestly don’t know when it happened because I agree she wasn’t one in 2020 or throughout most of her time as VP. But she is one now. 

2. The key to almost all of the great politicians is that you’re not supposed to know where they stand on too many issues. She is a liberal, Reagan was a (traditional) conservative, Clinton and Obama ran as centrists. Beyond these all-encompassing terms all of them were deliberately vague on details because the public doesn’t want to know them. Voters prefer to create their own image of the candidate. 
Later on Kamala will provide a specific platform list of issues and positions like all the rest. But for now she is deliberately working on creating FEELING. She wants you to feel she is good, she needs to have you like her. That’s how she will win. 

[RLLD 4,191]

20 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Now check FOX ratings versus all of those. FOX is essentially MSNBC. It’s for people to watch and waive their pom poms. It just has like 3X the viewers.

There’s YouTube, Twitter, social media of all sorts to suit your political flavor. 

You constantly have this idea that libs, Dems, etc are the only people who do “insert behavior” here. I kind of assume you are just fishing, but if not it’s a pretty silly take.

 

The ratings have flipped dramatically.  Why?    When your are a "news" organization that steadily parrots the lies of a political party (Democrats) with reckless abandon you lose credibility, and people with simple common sense move away, stop consuming it....ratings drop.   So the incessant lies, such as Trump is Hitler and a dictator etc.....top being consumed, but back when they were being consumed.....people such as yourself devoured it.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,586]

7 minutes ago, zsasz said:

 I think more and more people, everyday....are voting "FOR Kamala".  But right now, "not Trump" is still the main reason. She is generating some legitimate excitement though.  

 

 

You’re correct of most voters. But in my response to @supermike80 I was specifically referring to Democrats. Most Democrats, IMO, are now voting FOR Kamala. 

[RLLD 4,191]

15 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Trump has been a known quantity in entertainment since at least the mid 80's. people knew he tended to have bully qualities (it was sort of a fundamental tenant of the show he was heavily involved in)

He was sued for racial housing discrimination in the mid 70's. The Central Park Five he continued to rail about in the 2000's even after they were exonerated by evidence. 

Those things are not media fabrications. They are facts- and this implication that people have that Trump dropped out of the sky in 2015 and no one knew anything about him before that is silly. 

Agreed.  And to be fair, CNN reaped some reward from lambasting him on the daily.

So if I have to balance some thing he did in the 70's against whether or not he helps me today.....I am taking benefit today....

[RLLD 4,191]

12 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

I like my debates with you ray. Lately though, you have been making some silly statements. You need to stop thinking that everyone that thinks differently from you is following or being lead. Most people dislike Trump because he is d!ck. 

Trump is a d!ck, but that should not dictate your vote.

[RLLD 4,191]

11 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This is such a wild take. Did you really not know he was a cornball, carnival barker prior to 2016

I accept your lack of argument as your surrender

[thegeneral 3,100]

Just now, RLLD said:

The ratings have flipped dramatically.  Why?    When your are a "news" organization that steadily parrots the lies of a political party (Democrats) with reckless abandon you lose credibility, and people with simple common sense move away, stop consuming it....ratings drop.   So the incessant lies, such as Trump is Hitler and a dictator etc.....top being consumed, but back when they were being consumed.....people such as yourself devoured it.

 

Right. FOX parrots the Republican lines. They filled a void. Smart move to make money that’s for sure.

The point is they are MSM for people who want to digest that. These people aren’t being silenced. 

[Herbivore 1,123]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Trump is a d!ck, but that should not dictate your vote.

maybe, but the idea that anyone needed the msm for this info is laughable

[thegeneral 3,100]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I accept your lack of argument as your surrender

I take it you didn’t realize how much of a joke he was before then. He sold Trump Steaks, Water, Monopoly, Ties. He did a reality show where Dennis Rodman was to manage a Kinkos versus Gary Busey

He was going on about Obama being from Kenya for like a decade.

You didn’t know any of this?

[RLLD 4,191]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Right. FOX parrots the Republican lines. They filled a void. Smart move to make money that’s for sure.

The point is they are MSM for people who want to digest that. These people aren’t being silenced. 

Except that for years Fox wound up telling the truth..... hence the steady migration of viewership as you noted.....the ratings.   So MSM, through their parroting of Democrat lies, played themselves.

And today the ratings reflect that shift of people away from lying partisan media hacks on the left and toward lying partisan media hacks on the right. 

[thegeneral 3,100]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Except that for years Fox wound up telling the truth. 

Oh boy. I think we discovered the problem.