Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

49 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They’re not committing crimes. And Trump wants all of them deported. And he won’t stop there. 

He’s going to deport citizens? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

There was a time when immigration from Russia was prohibited. 

[Baker Boy 1,702]

"We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country," Barack Obama

 

[jerryskids 6,825]

16 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

"We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country," Barack Obama

 

He has probably evolved since then. 

If there is anything Saint Barack is good at, it's evolving.   

[Mark Davis 398]

36 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

As far as this part goes I’m not opposed. But I would point out that this is already the way it is for almost all undocumented immigrants. 

This hasn’t been true back to when I was a child. I grew up in a rural Alabama county and my mom was the principal at a small school out in the county. The county had to hire ESL teachers for the kids of the migrant workers. If any county didn’t have the money, it was ours. It was a big thing back then when that order came down that they had to do it.  It certainly wasn’t always that way back to the origins of our country.  I’m not saying it’s good or bad that they did so, just saying it’s not true that the government doesn’t provide services and have significant expenses when it comes to specifically illegal immigrants. This is just one example.  
 

We’ve gone round and round on the financial impact of this so neither of us will convince the other, but I feel like you have some blind spots when it comes to the costs. 

[jerryskids 6,825]

42 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

As far as this part goes I’m not opposed. But I would point out that this is already the way it is for almost all undocumented immigrants. 

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Here are some services available to undocumented immigrants in Arizona: 

 

 

• Arizona Immigrant and Refugee Services (AIRS)

  Helps with housing, food, clothing, job training, immigration, and other referrals 

   

   
• Arizona Legal Center

  Offers free legal advice, guidance, and consultations on immigration issues 

   

   
• American Civil Liberties Union

  Offers a Deportation Preparedness Kit 

   

   
• The Florence Project

  Offers advice on making a family plan if you were to be picked up by ICE in Arizona 

   

   
• ALWAYS Opportunity Through Immigration Practice

  Helps undocumented immigrants access legal remedies and establish pathways to employment, stability, and self-sufficiency 

   

   
• Arizona Undocumented Workers Relief Fund

  Provides essential support for rent, food, and other life-critical essential needs 

   

   
• Southern Arizona Food Resources

  Offers 70 lbs. of produce for $12 

   

   
• Proposition 308

  Students in Arizona are eligible for in-state tuition at state colleges and universities regardless of their immigration status 

   

   
• Arizona Refugee Resettlement Program

  Provides a twelve-month maximum, needs-based cash benefit for refugees and other eligible beneficiaries 

and here is your home state:

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California offers many services to undocumented immigrants, including: 

 

 

• Legal services

  The California Department of Social Services provides free legal services and community education to immigrants. These services include information and application assistance for DACA, Naturalization, Affirmative Immigration Remedies (AIR), Removal Defense (RD), and services for Unaccompanied Undocumented Minors (UUMs). 

   

   
• Financial aid

  Undocumented students may be eligible for state-based financial aid and institutional scholarships at California colleges and universities. 

   

   
• Medi-Cal

  California's Medicaid program offers emergency coverage to all individuals regardless of immigration status. Undocumented pregnant and postpartum noncitizens are eligible for prenatal Medi-Cal coverage. 

   

   
• CalFresh

  Undocumented immigrants may be eligible for CalFresh food assistance. People who have children with U.S. citizenship or lawful status may apply for CalFresh on behalf of their children. 

   

   
• Women with Infants and Children (WIC)

  Undocumented immigrants may be eligible for WIC. 

   

   
• Free or reduced school meals

  Undocumented immigrants may be eligible for free or reduced school meals. 

   

   
• Driver's licenses

  Undocumented immigrants may be able to obtain driver's licenses in California under certain conditions. 

   

   
• Storm Assistance for Immigrants (SAI)

  Individuals can call the statewide toll-free SAI phone number at (866) 724-2023 to be connected to the nearest provider. 

   

   
• USA Learns

  This website offers free English language training for immigrants and other adults with low levels of English proficiency. 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

They’re not committing crimes. And Trump wants all of them deported. And he won’t stop there. 

Amazing. He has my vote 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

36 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

This hasn’t been true back to when I was a child. I grew up in a rural Alabama county and my mom was the principal at a small school out in the county. The county had to hire ESL teachers for the kids of the migrant workers. If any county didn’t have the money, it was ours. It was a big thing back then when that order came down that they had to do it.  It certainly wasn’t always that way back to the origins of our country.  I’m not saying it’s good or bad that they did so, just saying it’s not true that the government doesn’t provide services and have significant expenses when it comes to specifically illegal immigrants. This is just one example.  
 

We’ve gone round and round on the financial impact of this so neither of us will convince the other, but I feel like you have some blind spots when it comes to the costs. 

It’s because he has man boobs. 

[Strike 5,566]

17 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Amazing. He has my vote 

I'm voting for him 10 times.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'm voting for him 10 times.

I raise 

[The Real timschochet 6,826]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

and here is your home state:

 

My point wasn’t that those programs aren’t available, it’s that most undocumented immigrants don’t take advantage of them because they’re naturally fearful of contact with the authorities. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,008]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

My point wasn’t that those programs aren’t available, it’s that most undocumented immigrants don’t take advantage of them because they’re naturally fearful of contact with the authorities. 

 

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,826]

2 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Amazing. He has my vote 

You were proven completely wrong in your claim that Trump cares about the difference between documented and undocumented immigrants, but you don’t care. Big surprise. 
 

While I do care that the Haitian refugees are legal, I also want to emphasize that it doesn’t mean mass deporting of undocumented immigrants is OK either. It isn’t. It will never happen but frankly even the attempt is immoral and un-American. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,008]

 

 

[Maximum Overkill 2,008]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

As far as this part goes I’m not opposed. But I would point out that this is already the way it is for almost all undocumented immigrants. 

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,826]

Liz Cheney is campaigning with Kamala Harris tonight in Wisconsin. Cheney’s message: she disagrees with Harris on most issues but that doesn’t matter- voting for Harris is an act of patriotism. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,008]

 

 

 

[BrahmaBulls 775]

10 hours ago, Jeff Probst said:

POS trump refused to give American servicemen who received traumatic brain injuries after our base was attacked by Iran purple hearts.  He refused because it was a stain on his presidency.

Yesterday he mocked the injured troops saying they only got some headaches.

You ass holes support this filth.

Whine just like GutterPedo.

[Strike 5,566]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

My point wasn’t that those programs aren’t available, it’s that most undocumented immigrants don’t take advantage of them because they’re naturally fearful of contact with the authorities. 

Link to proof illegals don't take advantage of our handouts?

[Maximum Overkill 2,008]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

voting for Harris is an act of patriotism. 

It's an act of idiocy. You don't care about your Family or Country. A vote for Kamala is a vote for a DEI Woke Dunce that cares more about Immigrants that she does you. 

It means you're a dumb piece of shizz  

[jerryskids 6,825]

23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

My point wasn’t that those programs aren’t available, it’s that most undocumented immigrants don’t take advantage of them because they’re naturally fearful of contact with the authorities. 

Mmm hmm...

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WASHINGTON, March 8, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- Mass illegal immigration and misguided state policies that provide illegal alien with benefits and services now cost California's shrinking tax base nearly $31 billion a year, according to a newly-released cost analysis by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

 

The report, The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers, pegs the combined federal, state and local costs associated with illegal immigration at $182 billion annually. Thus, state and local taxes paid by Californians (not including their federal tax payments) account for one-sixth of the nationwide costs associated with illegal immigration. These costs include K-12 education, indigent medical care, housing and nutrition assistance. California also provides other costly benefits for illegal aliens such as in-state tuition at public colleges and universities, health coverage under the state's Medi-Cal program, and sweeping sanctuary policies that shield illegal aliens from identification and removal.

According to the report, benefits and services provided to the estimated 3.23 million illegal aliens in California cost local taxpayers $22.8 billion annually. Factoring in about 1.15 million U.S.-born children of illegal aliens adds more than another $8 billion in costs.

Among the key findings of The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers:

• Benefits and services provided to illegal aliens in California in 2022 amounted to $22,821,903,942.
• An additional $8,114,297,526 was expended on U.S.-born children of illegal aliens.
• The total cost of $30,936,201,468 works out to a per capita cost of $7,074.

"The $22.8 billion California spends on benefits and services to illegal aliens is almost exactly equal to the projected $22.5 billion budget shortfall the state faces this year," noted Dan Stein, president of FAIR. "While Gov. Gavin Newsom and the Legislature have cut spending by 3.6 percent to close the budget gap, the state continues to expand benefits to illegal aliens. Just last fall, Gov. Newsom signed a bill expanding low- or no-cost Medi-Cal benefits to illegal aliens, while new proposals are being considered to offer cash assistance to elderly illegal aliens.

"The federal government's failure to secure our borders and remove people who are here illegally have imposed unfair burdens on taxpayers in all 50 states. But California's own policies bear significant responsibility for the state's disproportional share of the burden -- $31 billion a year, and growing," Stein concluded.

The full report can be read here.

Contact: Ron Kovach, 202-328-7004 or rkovach@fairus.org.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fair-illegal-immigration-costs-california-taxpayers-nearly-31-billion-a-year-301766122.html

And before you say it, here are the benefits of illegal aliens:

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SACRAMENTO, CA — A new in-depth national study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) highlights the significant contributions of undocumented immigrants to state and federal revenues despite their exclusion from most public benefits.

In California, undocumented immigrants contributed $8.5 billion in state and local taxes in 2022 — a number that would rise to $10.3 billion if these taxpayers were granted work authorization, according to the new ITEP study. 

Seems that (1) a lot of money is being spent on people not accessing the programs (BTW, when you say stuff like that, I know you just made it up), and (2) the benefits don't remotely come close to the costs.

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

As far as this part goes I’m not opposed. But I would point out that this is already the way it is for almost all undocumented immigrants. 

Their anchor babies qualify fatboy 

[purdygood 352]

5 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Their anchor babies qualify fatboy 

I mean.  Aren't we all anchor babies if we were born here? My great Grandpa came from London like 150+ years ago. Then he got shot in a Union Strike and died of lead poisoning from the bullet . Then 3 generations later here i am anchoring down. My Grandpa just died recently. He has a Purple Heart from the Korean War.  My Dad just retired from Construction after working 50 years.  Life is crazy. Anchors. 

[The Real timschochet 6,826]

The dockworkers strike has been suspended until January 15. This is a huge relief for Harris. 

[Strike 5,566]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The dockworkers strike has been suspended until January 15. This is a huge relief for Harris. 

They actually reached an agreement.

[thegeneral 3,236]

Mayor Pete must have figured it all out. Nice job.

[zsasz 369]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Mayor Pete must have figured it all out. Nice job.

MAGA and Trump are frothing over this.  

[seafoam1 3,065]

1 minute ago, zsasz said:

MAGA and Trump are frothing over this.  

Poor zazzy. 

[TimHauck 2,905]

4 hours ago, purdygood said:

I mean.  Aren't we all anchor babies if we were born here? My great Grandpa came from London like 150+ years ago. Then he got shot in a Union Strike and died of lead poisoning from the bullet . Then 3 generations later here i am anchoring down. My Grandpa just died recently. He has a Purple Heart from the Korean War.  My Dad just retired from Construction after working 50 years.  Life is crazy. Anchors. 

An anchor baby is the first one born here.  So in your case, your grandma or grandpa

[TimHauck 2,905]

On 10/2/2024 at 8:01 PM, jerryskids said:

Of course, nothing to see here.  These are the people that want to do away with the 1st Amendment.  Protect democracy$#@!

Honest question, wouldn’t the oversight committee that investigated and found no actual evidence of wrongdoing by Joe in all likelihood already have seen all these?

[Jeff Probst 59]

On 10/2/2024 at 8:01 PM, jerryskids said:

Of course, nothing to see here.  These are the people that want to do away with the 1st Amendment.  Protect democracy$#@!

Do away with the first amendment?

You've lost your mind.

[TrailGuy 554]

Powerful stuff coming from the Harris campaign with Liz Cheney on stage endorsing her.  So much Republican support against the man that hijacked their party and turned it into a fascist mob.

[HellToupee 1,803]

13 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Liz Cheney is campaigning with Kamala Harris tonight in Wisconsin. Cheney’s message: she disagrees with Harris on most issues but that doesn’t matter- voting for Harris is an act of patriotism. 

I love this for all you boyos

 

[TrailGuy 554]

38 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I love this for all you boyos

 

JD Vance called trump Hitler.

Trump donated to the Harris campaign.

You obviously don't know how politics works.

[The Real timschochet 6,826]

36 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I love this for all you boyos

 

Which goes to show you how much of a patriot Cheney is. It’s similar, in history, to all the Republicans who during the Great Depression called FDR every name in the book, truly detested him, but the minute Pearl Harbor was attacked  got behind him. 
 

In case you don’t get my analogy, Donald Trump = Pearl Harbor. 

[The Real timschochet 6,826]

The good news: 4 new national polls have Kamala in front by 1-2 points. 
 

The bad news- latest Quinnipac poll in Georgia has Trump pulling away by 6 points, outside the margin of error. All other polls from that state are tied or show a 1 point lead for either candidate. Nonetheless this Quinnipac poll is distressing because it shows a trend in the wrong direction- one of the first such polls to do so. But I remain an optimist. 

[Strike 5,566]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The good news: 4 new national polls have Kamala in front by 1-2 points. 
 

The bad news- latest Quinnipac poll in Georgia has Trump pulling away by 6 points, outside the margin of error. All other polls from that state are tied or show a 1 point lead for either candidate. Nonetheless this Quinnipac poll is distressing because it shows a trend in the wrong direction- one of the first such polls to do so. But I remain an optimist. 

Bullsh*t.  A number of reputable swing state polls have come out over the last couple of days favorable to Trump.  You are either uninformed or purposefully posting misleading statements.  Either way you are not a serious poster.

[The Real timschochet 6,826]

Just now, Strike said:

Bullsh*t.  A number of reputable swing state polls have come out over the last couple of days favorable to Trump.  You are either uninformed or purposefully posting misleading statements.  Either way you are not a serious poster.

Well I’d like to think it’s the former. But I pay attention to this pretty closely. What other swing state polls have shown a trend line of Trump actually gaining from previous polls outside the margin of error? I haven’t seen that. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The good news: 4 new national polls have Kamala in front by 1-2 points. 
 

The bad news- latest Quinnipac poll in Georgia has Trump pulling away by 6 points, outside the margin of error. All other polls from that state are tied or show a 1 point lead for either candidate. Nonetheless this Quinnipac poll is distressing because it shows a trend in the wrong direction- one of the first such polls to do so. But I remain an optimist. 

I already gave you the Mooney Lock that Trump will win when PA flips for him.

You should just go with it and prepare yourself now. 

[The Real timschochet 6,826]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I already gave you the Mooney Lock that Trump will win when PA flips for him.

You should just go with it and prepare yourself now. 

I’m prepared either way. But I’m still pretty confident that Pennsylvania, and the nation, will go with Kamala.