Harrison Butker, geek club hero

[TimHauck 2,745]

5 hours ago, Horseman said:

If it was worthy of outage why didn't you just turn it off?

OK I laughed.  Curious about your thoughts on women being homemakers as opposed to working outside of the home?

[squistion 2,140]

https://x.com/snopes/status/1792667185459945635

No, Mike Tomlin didn't defend Harrison Butker and say, "He's like a son to me." The claim originated from a Facebook account that includes a satire disclaimer.

https://snopes.com/fact-check/mike-tomlin-harrison-butker/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1716238540-1

[Horseman 2,438]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

OK I laughed.  Curious about your thoughts on women being homemakers as opposed to working outside of the home?

If you want me to go back in time to someone who is Butker's age or just graduating college; I'd say the best plan is for a dual income until you 've built up enough wealth to actually afford kids.  Butker obviously has that covered.  

Not everyone is going to be married to superwoman like I am who despite being told to retire (by me) keeps a part time job making pretty good scratch, does all the cleaning, all the yard work and has dinner on the table when I get home every night.  I'm sure that will change when I retire at the end of the year though, I actually like to cook, and I'm better at it. 

[TimHauck 2,745]

43 minutes ago, Horseman said:

If you want me to go back in time to someone who is Butker's age or just graduating college; I'd say the best plan is for a dual income until you 've built up enough wealth to actually afford kids.  Butker obviously has that covered.  

Not everyone is going to be married to superwoman like I am who despite being told to retire (by me) keeps a part time job making pretty good scratch, does all the cleaning, all the yard work and has dinner on the table when I get home every night.  I'm sure that will change when I retire at the end of the year though, I actually like to cook, and I'm better at it. 

Butker thinks your wife should want kids though.

[zsasz 368]

Count me as one who doesn't understand all the fervor over the Butker speech.  He qualified enough of it with personal experience and anecdote intead of just saying "DO THIS!" and he was speaking at a religious institution of higher learning.  Harrison Butker is kind of a lame keynote speaker for a college; but I don't really think he was being malevolent, pig headed or dismissive to women in the working world.  

[nobody 2,654]

10 minutes ago, zsasz said:

Count me as one who doesn't understand all the fervor over the Butker speech.  He qualified enough of it with personal experience and anecdote intead of just saying "DO THIS!" and he was speaking at a religious institution of higher learning.  Harrison Butker is kind of a lame keynote speaker for a college; but I don't really think he was being malevolent, pig headed or dismissive to women in the working world.  

I think Butker is wrong, but my vagina remains sand free over it for now.

Unlike the wokies, he's harmless.

[Maximum Overkill 1,917]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Butker thinks your wife should want kids though.

Damn right  

[Horseman 2,438]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Butker thinks your wife should want kids though.

A - He wasn't talking to me. 

B - I don't give 2 chits what he thinks.  

[Engorgeous George 2,294]

I don't understand the outrage over one person's opinion expressing a viable option for some, not all.

[edjr 6,580]

28 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I don't understand the outrage over one person's opinion expressing a viable option for some, not all.

Does it go against what the left deems okay? It is an issue.  End of story

[TimHauck 2,745]

41 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I don't understand the outrage over one person's opinion expressing a viable option for some, not all.

IMO the issue is that he seems to be projecting that his opinion is superior, even if he didn’t come out and say those exact words.

[Engorgeous George 2,294]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

IMO the issue is that he seems to be projecting that his opinion is superior, even if he didn’t come out and say those exact words.

Superior or the right choice for some, maybe.  had he said or intimated it is the superior choice for all I might see the outrage, or at least some consternation, but he stopped short of that as i read his words.  maybe I just did not appreciate the subtle implications of his words.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,046]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

IMO the issue is that he seems to be projecting that his opinion is superior, even if he didn’t come out and say those exact words.

So the issue is YOUR interpretation?  I don't see how this is any different than any number of speakers who speak at these things.

[TimHauck 2,745]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Superior or the right choice for some, maybe.  had he said or intimated it is the superior choice for all I might see the outrage, or at least some consternation, but he stopped short of that as i read his words.  maybe I just did not appreciate the subtle implications of his words.

IMO he did intimidate it is the superior choice, by telling the women that they “had the most diabological lies told to them” right before downplaying possible career goals. 

As mentioned he did the same thing in other parts of his speech as well such as when he said the TLM was a “necessity for our lives.”

[jerryskids 6,737]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

IMO he did intimidate it is the superior choice, by telling the women that they “had the most diabological lies told to them” right before downplaying possible career goals. 

As mentioned he did the same thing in other parts of his speech as well such as when he said the TLM was a “necessity for our lives.”

We've discussed the TLM; what is your hangup with this?  He is a Catholic talking to Catholics.  He wasn't talking to you.

Also, amazing that this gets 16 pages while by far the worst speech of the week -- Biden telling Morehouse graduates that their country hates them -- gets barely a blip.

 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,811]

Just checking.  Does the NFL still pay reputed pedophile Jay-Z millions to produce the Superbowl halftime show?

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I don't understand the outrage over one person's opinion expressing a viable option for some, not all.

The "outrage" is this dude who's part of the christian cult goes to a college graduation and tells the women in attendance who'd just earned degrees that their highest calling was to be mothers and wives.   He also trashed LGBTQ people who the folks at this college are way more tolerant of than people like him in his cult.

It was such a tone deaf speech that only christian cult members could possible think it was a good idea.  But of course they live to push their world view onto you and to exterminate the "wickedness" of those different.

Are you people really this thick?

It'd be like me going to some nutty christian school like Liberty and telling those student what I think about their christian cult.

SMH

[RLLD 4,201]

Imagine being outraged at someone talking about good values, family values.....things that are a good thing....SMH

[jerryskids 6,737]

4 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

The "outrage" is this dude who's part of the christian cult goes to a college graduation and tells the women in attendance who'd just earned degrees that their highest calling was to be mothers and wives.   He also trashed LGBTQ people who the folks at this college are way more tolerant of than people like him in his cult.

It was such a tone deaf speech that only christian cult members could possible think it was a good idea.  But of course they live to push their world view onto you and to exterminate the "wickedness" of those different.

Are you people really this thick?

It'd be like me going to some nutty christian school like Liberty and telling those student what I think about their christian cult.

SMH

Sorry, but your analogy sucks.  He is a Catholic, he spoke at a Catholic school, and the message of his speech was to embrace Catholicism.

[Engorgeous George 2,294]

1 minute ago, BeachGuy23 said:

The "outrage" is this dude who's part of the christian cult goes to a college graduation and tells the women in attendance who'd just earned degrees that their highest calling was to be mothers and wives.   He also trashed LGBTQ people who the folks at this college are way more tolerant than people like him in his cult.

It was such a tone deaf speech that only christian cult members could possible think it was a good idea.  But of course they live to push their world view onto you and to exterminate the "wickedness" of those different.

Are you people really this thick?

It'd be like me going to some nutty christian school like Liberty and telling those student what I think about their chritian cult.

SMH

I am not certain I should be included in "you people" since I am not a believer.  that said he was invited to address a specific audience and he did with beliefs consistent with their own.  His views arer not mainstream orthodoxy, but I thought they were at least in the acceptable range for the mainstream, at least as talking points, as one possiblitity. it seems now that this is not so.

[squistion 2,140]

https://x.com/TheDailyShow/status/1792979565679128989

"Enjoy the PTA bitches" is not the thing graduates want to hear at graduation. @jonstewart on Harrison Butker

[Engorgeous George 2,294]

I find the calling to motherhood, to shaping the next generation among the highest callings.  We pretend to venerate teachers, nurses, caregivers, nurturers, well mothers are all that and more.  Holding them in veneration does not seem an outrage, at least not to me, especially very near mother's day. 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

14 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

The "outrage" is this dude who's part of the christian cult goes to a college graduation and tells the women in attendance who'd just earned degrees that their highest calling was to be mothers and wives.   He also trashed LGBTQ people who the folks at this college are way more tolerant of than people like him in his cult.

It was such a tone deaf speech that only christian cult members could possible think it was a good idea.  But of course they live to push their world view onto you and to exterminate the "wickedness" of those different.

Are you people really this thick?

It'd be like me going to some nutty christian school like Liberty and telling those student what I think about their christian cult.

SMH

It was a Catholic speaker at a Catholic college. Wake up buddy and quit making yourself look foolish.

[Engorgeous George 2,294]

I would venture to guess that more than 9 out of 10 persons posting in this thread had a mother.

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Sorry, but your analogy sucks.  He is a Catholic, he spoke at a Catholic school, and the message of his speech was to embrace Catholicism.

LMFAO

Of course you don't understand fully anything.  Harrison Butker is a Trad Catholic.  He's not even close to what catholics have become today, he wants the world like it was 75 years ago.

Traditionalist Catholicism is a movement that emphasizes beliefs, practices, customs, traditions, liturgical forms, devotions and presentations of teaching associated with the Catholic Church before the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965).^[1][2] Traditionalist Catholics particularly emphasize the Tridentine Mass, the Roman Rite liturgy largely replaced in general use by the post-Second Vatican Council Mass of Paul VI.

Many Traditionalist Catholics disliked the liturgical changes that followed the Second Vatican Council, and prefer to continue to practice pre-Second Vatican Council traditions and forms. Some also see present teachings on ecumenism as blurring the distinction between Catholics and other Christians. Traditional Catholicism is often more conservative in its philosophy and worldview, promoting a modest style of dressing and teaching a complementarian view of gender roles.^[3]

He told graduating college women what the highpoint of their lives should be according to him.

Had nothing to do with embracing catholicism.  And my analogy was perfect.

These women busted their as$es to graduate, most likely have lofty goals, and this jackwad is telling them that they'll be happiest being mothers and wives?

Phuk outa here.  Not surprised you don't understand though.

Par for the course with you. 

The Kansas City Chiefs kicker referred to Pride Month as one of the “deadly sins”; declared that “things like abortion, IVF, surrogacy, euthanasia, as well as a growing support for degenerate cultural values in media, all stem from the pervasiveness of disorder”; implored men to be “unapologetic in your masculinity”; and, addressing the graduating women specifically, said, “I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.”

Totally the kind of thing young women want to be told on their college graduation day by some cult member who wishes the country were still in 1950's social time...SMH

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

9 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I am not certain I should be included in "you people" since I am not a believer.  that said he was invited to address a specific audience and he did with beliefs consistent with their own.  His views arer not mainstream orthodoxy, but I thought they were at least in the acceptable range for the mainstream, at least as talking points, as one possiblitity. it seems now that this is not so.

No one is saying he wasn't free to say whatever he wanted.  I'm just trying to help the folks who don't understand why there's controversy around it. 

Dude wants society to go back to the 1950's, when women rarely were educated and were beholden to their husbands.  You think this jives with what most modern college graduating women think?

Not bloody likely. 

[jerryskids 6,737]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Imagine being outraged at someone talking about good values, family values.....things that are a good thing....SMH

IKR!  Maybe he should have said the following:

"Ladies, some of you may be thinking about having kids and raising a family.  Fock that noise!  This is the age of hedonism -- you'll have a much more fulfilling life if you spend 14 hours a day at the office.  Every lonely older woman I know wishes they spent more time at the office and less raising her kids!"

[BeachGuy23 642]

5 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

It was a Catholic speaker at a Catholic college. Wake up buddy and quit making yourself look foolish.

LMFAO at calling a Trad Catholic a Catholic in the modern sense.  Trad Catholics loathe what came out of the Second Vatican Counsel and loathe any progressive movement in the church at all. 

SMH

[Engorgeous George 2,294]

5 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

No one is saying he wasn't free to say whatever he wanted.  I'm just trying to help the folks who don't understand why there's controversy around it. 

Dude wants society to go back to the 1950's, when women rarely were educated and were beholden to their husbands.  You think this jives with what most modern college graduating women think?

Not bloody likely. 

I do not.  Whether it jives with his very specific listening audience which is a specific subset of college graduating women is another matter.  It does not upset me that there are a variety of opinions in the world, a variety of paths, so long as one does not interfere with my path.

 

Dude was like Hhey, look at this path over here.  I bet many of you re excited about walking down this path."  I don't see how that upsets those intending to walk another path.

[Baker Boy 1,694]

13 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

LMFAO at calling a Trad Catholic a Catholic in the modern sense.  Trad Catholics loathe what came out of the Second Vatican Counsel and loathe any progressive movement in the church at all. 

SMH

It was a Catholic speaker at a Catholic college. Wake up buddy and quit making yourself look foolish.

This is what you are all work up about:

A record 485 seniors graduated at Benedictine College's May 11 Commencement.

 

Get a life!

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

IKR!  Maybe he should have said the following:

"Ladies, some of you may be thinking about having kids and raising a family.  Fock that noise!  This is the age of hedonism -- you'll have a much more fulfilling life if you spend 14 hours a day at the office.  Every lonely older woman I know wishes they spent more time at the office and less raising her kids!"

That's exactly what he said but the opposite.

He TOLD these women what their most lofty goals and happiness should be.  

I don't understand how some of you managed to even get your GEDs FFS.

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Sorry, but your analogy sucks.  He is a Catholic, he spoke at a Catholic school, and the message of his speech was to embrace Catholicism.

I don’t actually have a problem with any of that. My issue is telling female graduates at their graduation ceremony (which should be celebrating their achievements) that they should just stay home and look out for their man instead. That makes him a huge assh0le.

Now it is his right to be a huge assh0le. But it’s also everyone else’s right to call him out for it

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

I do not.  Whether it jives with his very specific listening auedience which is a specific subset of college graduating women is another matter.  It does not upset me that there are a vriety of opinions in the world, a variety of paths, so long as one does not interfere with my path.

IDGAF either.

But some folks are acting like they're shocked with the contravesery.

I'm just trying to help some fellow boyos out. 

[jerryskids 6,737]

4 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

LMFAO

Of course you don't understand fully anything.  Harrison Butker is a Trad Catholic.  He's not even close to what catholics have become today, he wants the world like it was 75 years ago.

Traditionalist Catholicism is a movement that emphasizes beliefs, practices, customs, traditions, liturgical forms, devotions and presentations of teaching associated with the Catholic Church before the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965).^[1][2] Traditionalist Catholics particularly emphasize the Tridentine Mass, the Roman Rite liturgy largely replaced in general use by the post-Second Vatican Council Mass of Paul VI.

Many Traditionalist Catholics disliked the liturgical changes that followed the Second Vatican Council, and prefer to continue to practice pre-Second Vatican Council traditions and forms. Some also see present teachings on ecumenism as blurring the distinction between Catholics and other Christians. Traditional Catholicism is often more conservative in its philosophy and worldview, promoting a modest style of dressing and teaching a complementarian view of gender roles.^[3]

He told graduating college women what the highpoint of their lives should be according to him.

Had nothing to do with embracing catholicism.  And my analogy was perfect.

These women busted their as$es to graduate, most likely have lofty goals, and this jackwad is telling them that they'll be happiest being mothers and wives?

Phuk outa here.  Not surprised you don't understand though.

Par for the course with you. 

The Kansas City Chiefs kicker referred to Pride Month as one of the “deadly sins”; declared that “things like abortion, IVF, surrogacy, euthanasia, as well as a growing support for degenerate cultural values in media, all stem from the pervasiveness of disorder”; implored men to be “unapologetic in your masculinity”; and, addressing the graduating women specifically, said, “I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.”

Totally the kind of thing young women want to be told on their college graduation day by some cult member who wishes the country were still in 1950's social time...SMH

 

Bless your heart.  Traditional Catholicism is what was practiced for almost 2000 years, until 1965, practically my lifetime.  Just because you say "and my analogy was perfect" doesn't make it remotely true.  It still sucks.  But you'll never see it.  Most people would have just moved on; perhaps this yip yip dog persistence in the face of utter failure is what helped catapult you up the corporate ladder?

[Engorgeous George 2,294]

5 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

IDGAF either.

But some folks are acting like they're shocked with the contravesery.

I'm just trying to help some fellow boyos out. 

That's good of you.  I believe in this case you may also be advocating for some of the lassies

[jerryskids 6,737]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t actually have a problem with any of that. My issue is telling female graduates at their graduation ceremony (which should be celebrating their achievements) that they should just stay home and look out for their man instead. That makes him a huge assh0le.

Now it is his right to be a huge assh0le. But it’s also everyone else’s right to call him out for it

I already earlier in the thread that I didn't think it was the time or place for that message.  Then when I read the entire speech, I understood why he said it, but I still think he could have done it better.  

But it isn't really a bad message, which was the point of my post -- to show the opposite message, one that feminists would prefer.

[MDC 7,300]

Butler’s jersey becomes best seller on the Chiefs after his speech.

Imagine buying a kicker’s jersey because he said women find motherhood more fulfilling than careers.  

[BeachGuy23 642]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Bless your heart.  Traditional Catholicism is what was practiced for almost 2000 years, until 1965, practically my lifetime.  Just because you say "and my analogy was perfect" doesn't make it remotely true.  It still sucks.  But you'll never see it.  Most people would have just moved on; perhaps this yip yip dog persistence in the face of utter failure is what helped catapult you up the corporate ladder?

Did you just put forth as an argument that trad cath was practiced for 2000k years until 1965?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA'

Riddle me this Mr. Patent, do you believe the cult member Butker's social views are consistent with say THE POPE?

Good gravy you'll argue any point.  What's weird is that you don't seem to understand how you come off sounding like a moron.

Trad Caths do not represent the views of the vast majority of Catholics today.  65 years ago yes.  When blacks couldn't drink out of white water fountains and men could beat their women if they wanted.

GREAT TIMES!

[Baker Boy 1,694]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Butler’s jersey becomes best seller on the Chiefs after his speech.

Imagine buying a kicker’s jersey because he said women find motherhood more fulfilling than careers.  

Imagine getting all worked up about a Catholic College that graduated 485 students this year.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I already earlier in the thread that I didn't think it was the time or place for that message.  Then when I read the entire speech, I understood why he said it, but I still think he could have done it better.  

But it isn't really a bad message, which was the point of my post -- to show the opposite message, one that feminists would prefer.

It’s a bad message when you’re there to celebrate their educational achievements and professional futures. Yes