June 27 Presidential debate

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

Actually I wasn't wrong.  Here is what I said:

Is it your assertion that Biden has given more press conferences than Reagan?

First 2 years yes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12002533/Biden-slammed-holding-fewest-number-press-conferences-Reagan.html

Has Reagan passed him now?

[5-Points 3,536]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

He did.  He looked somewhat better but still ate his words, lost track momentarily, and seemed confused about leaving the stage after.  Still, no denying, on a telprompter he was somewhat better.  The thing for me is he is clearly below whatever standard serious people should have for the leader of the free world.  He was never smart.  Now he is eMfeebled on top of that.  These arguments about which of the two major party candidates is the least unqualified, relative to each other is sad.  We ought to do better.  We NEED to do better and those arguing that either is qualified for the job are only continuing the downward spiral which has lead us here and will eventually take us right down the toilet drain, if that has not alreadyu happened.

What about Trump's first term leads you to believe he isn't qualified to be POTUS? 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

He did.  He looked somewhat better but still ate his words, lost track momentarily, and seemed confused about leaving the stage after.  Still, no denying, on a telprompter he was somewhat better.  The thing for me is he is clearly below whatever standard serious people should have for the leader of the free world.  He was never smart.  Now he is eMfeebled on top of that.  These arguments about which of the two major party candidates is the least unqualified, relative to each other is sad.  We ought to do better.  We NEED to do better and those arguing that either is qualified for the job are only continuing the downward spiral which has lead us here and will eventually take us right down the toilet drain, if that has not alreadyu happened.

I would have no problem if they were both put out to pasture and we were given fresh, younger faces.  I would welcome it.

But as long as Trump is running, I support anyone who can beat him.

[Strike 5,554]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

First 2 years yes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12002533/Biden-slammed-holding-fewest-number-press-conferences-Reagan.html

Has Reagan passed him now?

What are you talking about?  Look up the stats.  I did.  Reagan held more press conferences than Biden.  Look it up.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Eh.  I generally agree with your stances EG but it seems to me you're showing dislike bias against Trump.  I hate the man personally, and didn't vote for him the first time he ran.  But I was not unhappy with the job he did as President.  I found his policies to be reasonable and, for the most part, well thought out.  I would rather someone else be in his place with similar policies but I would not say he is unqualified.  He very much exceeded my expectations during his four years in office.

No  worries.  Many fine intellects have disagreed with me across a vast swath of subjects. You are in very good company.  Me, while I may have agreed with some of Trump's stands those were policies he adopted out of expediance, or so I believe, and were not strongly held philosophical positions.  Basically I felt a relative dummy, like a blind squirrel, managed to find a few acorns.   Obviously though I may be wrong and you may well be correct.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

What are you talking about?  Look up the stats.  I did.  Reagan held more press conferences than Biden.  Look it up.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/presidential-news-conferences

This has Reagan at 5.8 per year, Biden at 11.

[Strike 5,554]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

show me.

Send Jerry $100 to be paid to me when I do.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Send Jerry $100 to be paid to me when I do.

You're a clown.

[Strike 5,554]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

You're a clown.

If you believe in your stance you should be willing to back it up with cash.  But you're just a chicken sh#t troll.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

If you believe in your stance you should be willing to back it up with cash.  But you're just a chicken sh#t troll.

Sorry I really don't give sh1ts about this.  Never even thought about it before today just to fact check you because you always lie.  Believe in your stance, lol, trying to bully me.  clown.

I posted what I found, you can post different numbers if you want to prove me wrong.

[Strike 5,554]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Sorry I really don't give sh1ts about this.  Never even thought about it before today just to fact check you because you always lie.  Believe in your stance, lol, trying to bully me.  clown.

I posted what I found, you can post different numbers if you want to prove me wrong.

Your article doesn't address my assertion.  Sorry but you're wrong again.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, Strike said:

Your article doesn't address my assertion.  Sorry but you're wrong again.

[seafoam1 3,034]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Poor ghettoboy. He's struggling bad. 

[jerryskids 6,800]

26 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

See, I knew it!

I'll just leave you this in case you want to learn something today.  You don't even have to admit you are wrong or apologize.

This is also a good article to educate youself: https://psychcentral.com/blog/fighting-cognitive-dissonance-the-lies-we-tell-ourselves#1

I think your problem here -- well, one of many -- is confusing my understanding of cognitive dissonance with its applicability to you.  In other words, you don't think you have it, so you don't think I understand it.

It's clear you desperately need a win here, so... you win, Gutter.  You haven't believed your X feed bombarding you with Trump cognitive decline posts (and none for  Biden), or statements that they are both "the same!".  You knew all along that Biden was borderline brain dead but didn't care, and seeing his utter and complete lack of cognitive function gives you no pause whatsoever in putting him in charge of our country for four more years.   

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Again- we have two shitty candidates for President when there have to be better ones out their to represent the two parties......but yes- let's argue over the definition of "cognitive dissonance." (And gutter is more correct on the idea anyway...but it doesn't matter) Or try to score points over the amount of speeches Ronald Reagan gave 40 fooking years ago.

[5-Points 3,536]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Again- we have two shitty candidates for President when there have to be better ones out their to represent the two parties......but yes- let's argue over the definition of "cognitive dissonance." (And gutter is more correct on the idea anyway...but it doesn't matter) Or try to score points over the amount of speeches Ronald Reagan gave 40 fooking years ago.

What about Trump’s first term, and more importantly the impact his policies had on the country, makes you say he's a shitty candidate? 

I don't care about mean tweets, give me substantive disagreements with his policies and the negative effects they had on the country. 

[Strike 5,554]

17 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Again- we have two shitty candidates for President when there have to be better ones out their to represent the two parties......but yes- let's argue over the definition of "cognitive dissonance." (And gutter is more correct on the idea anyway...but it doesn't matter) Or try to score points over the amount of speeches Ronald Reagan gave 40 fooking years ago.

Gutterpedo is the one who wants to argue about Reagan.  My point is that there is a reason Bidens handlers won't let him do press conferences, and that reason was on full display the other night.  But, like most of you lefties, he wants to get in to a semantics argument instead of addressing the point.

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28 minutes ago, Strike said:

Gutterpedo is the one who wants to argue about Reagan.  My point is that there is a reason Bidens handlers won't let him do press conferences, and that reason was on full display the other night.  But, like most of you lefties, he wants to get in to a semantics argument instead of addressing the point.

Reagan started to decline cognitively towards the end of his second term. Gutter thinks that's the same as Biden's decline starting in the middle of his first term.

He'll still pull the lever for Biden in November and convince himself he's doing the right thing for the country. 

 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

What about Trump’s first term, and more importantly the impact his policies had on the country, makes you say he's a shitty candidate? 

I don't care about mean tweets, give me substantive disagreements with his policies and the negative effects they had on the country. 

He fumbled pretty much every big moment where he needed to be Presidential as opposed to confrontational.

Pulling out of the deal with Iran helped stoke Middle East conflict. Additionally- people forget that about 2 months before COVID hit there was some talk/concern of a war brewing with Iran.

Trump pulled out of Syria and hung our Kurdish allies out to dry fighting ISIS.

He buddied up to Putin (and still does) while reports were coming out that Russia was paying bounties for Taliban militants to kill US troops. (Those three things affected our world standing)

He campaigned for years on replacing the Affordable Care Act and then in 4 years could get nothing done to put anything in place.

The US took the brunt of the COVID 19 epidemic worldwide with over 24 million cases and while Trump did help get some vaccine stuff in place he then never really stood there and tried to convince people to do what needed to be done in order to try to endgame the pandemic. He kept playing both sides instead of taking a definitive stand. Additionally, he had spent the first few years of his presidency slashing the budget to the CDC and HHS. His administration also fumbled with the PPP as they were ignoring swaths of small businesses because of who was running it and a lot of big corporations got taken care of. 

The US National Debt was the highest levels it had seen since World War II when Trump left office- I know people will try to attribute that all to COVID, but it isn't all COVID based.

He sewed distrust in the 4th estate. He threatened to deploy troops into US cities because he disagreed with Democratic leadership. (That all furthered this whole "us against them" BS we live in)

His tax cuts were catered to the rich, they cost the US a bunch of money, and didn't trickle down like we were told they would. 

As for a new term he wants to expand the tariffs he put in place (which helped lead to inflation we are facing right now) which will most likely lead to more price rising. 

 

And even with all that- I'm not someone who has ever said Trump was the worst president ever, I never argued "he's the end of democracy as we know it." But I'm not strapping in for another 4 years of a person who is a pathological liar and says idiotic things through pursed lips that look like a puckering anus to get a bunch of lemmings to clap at a cult rally. 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

Gutterpedo is the one who wants to argue about Reagan.  My point is that there is a reason Bidens handlers won't let him do press conferences, and that reason was on full display the other night.  But, like most of you lefties, he wants to get in to a semantics argument instead of addressing the point.

You are engaging in it too and you always have to go to this "you lefties..." It makes you sound stupid. 

[Strike 5,554]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

You are engaging in it too and you always have to go to this "you lefties..." It makes you sound stupid. 

Well, at least that's the only time I "sound stupid", unlike you lefties who ALWAYS sound stupid..........

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Just now, Strike said:

Well, at least that's the only time I "sound stupid", unlike you lefties who ALWAYS sound stupid..........

Believe me- you sound stupid a lot. And if I'm a leftie for voting for mostly Republicans.....well so be it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

The Kurds! Lol.  

[Gepetto 1,368]

7 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

 that's rich.

Yes Biden told some lies, Trump told 10x that number of lies, but you believe everything trump says because you're weak and dumb

Biden's LIE that no service members died while he was President trumps any Trump lie.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

5 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Biden's LIE that no service members died while he was President trumps any Trump lie.

And he says that right after repeating the lie about suckers and losers. 

[MDC 7,437]

8 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Biden's LIE that no service members died while he was President trumps any Trump lie.

That was a pretty big whopper, on par with Trump’s claim that everyone wanted Roe overturned.

[Maximum Overkill 1,998]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

That was a pretty big whopper, on par with Trump’s claim that everyone wanted Roe overturned.

But, but, but, Trump, Trump Trump  

[GutterBoy 2,899]

44 minutes ago, Strike said:

Gutterpedo is the one who wants to argue about Reagan.  My point is that there is a reason Bidens handlers won't let him do press conferences, and that reason was on full display the other night.  But, like most of you lefties, he wants to get in to a semantics argument instead of addressing the point.

I simply fact checked you, and you said I was right, before you decided you wanted to create a semantics argument and bully me into a $100 bet.  Hours later you're still talking about and now you called me a pedo.

You got some issues.

[Strike 5,554]

9 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Biden's LIE that no service members died while he was President trumps any Trump lie.

He has a lot of them.  He constantly says his son Beau died either during military duty or from military duty.   The during military duty claim is absolutely false, and there has never been any evidence that Beau's military duty had anything to do with the cancer he died from YEARS after returning from duty.

His LIE about how his first wife died is extremely disgusting as well.  She caused an accident and Joe blamed the other driver, accusing him of being drunk without a shred of evidence.  This man went to his grave never having been apologized to for this blatant lie and by accounts from his family the lie had a significant negative impact on his life.

[Maximum Overkill 1,998]

 

 

[Strike 5,554]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I simply fact checked you, and you said I was right, before you decided you wanted to create a semantics argument and bully me into a $100 bet.  Hours later you're still talking about and now you called me a pedo.

You got some issues.

How about addressing the point?  The point was to compare and contrast a debate or press conference with a speech, since your assertion was that Biden is fine because he gave a speech the day after the debate where he didn't crap his pants.  Do you not see a distinction between a speech and a debate or press conference?  Why do you think his handler's won't let him do press conferences? 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

37 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Kurds! Lol.  

Paul Blart strikes again with nothing to add to the conversation. Turn your lights out.

[nobody 2,674]

It seems like people here have limited experience dealing with dementia patients. 

Some days are better than others.  Biden got propped up for a speech and was able to muster a few twitter sound bites, and the consensus of the bidenettes like rusty, squistion, and Mooney is that he's all good.  

Anyone who saw that debate and then believes Biden is mentally fit for office should have their vote taken away.  

[Voltaire 5,317]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Poor ghettoboy. He's struggling bad. 

In fairness, Jill Biden is assuring him that he's winning this debate.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,448]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

It seems like people here have limited experience dealing with dementia patients. 

Some days are better than others.  Biden got propped up for a speech and was able to muster a few twitter sound bites, and the consensus of the bidenettes like rusty, squistion, and Mooney is that he's all good.  

Anyone who saw that debate and then believes Biden is mentally fot for office should have their vote taken away.  

3 stooges

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Oh good, Biden is listening to the crackhead felon so I’m sure a well-reasoned decision will be made:

 

President Biden’s family is urging him to stay in the race and keep fighting despite last week’s disastrous debate performance, even as some members of his clan privately expressed exasperation at how he was prepared for the event by his staff, people close to the situation said on Sunday.

Mr. Biden huddled with his wife, children and grandchildren at Camp David while he tried to figure out how to tamp down Democratic anxiety. While his relatives are acutely aware of how poorly he did against former President Donald J. Trump, they argued that he could still show the country that he is capable of serving for another four years.

Mr. Biden has also been soliciting ideas from advisers about how to proceed, and his staff has been discussing whether he should hold a news conference or sit for interviews to defend himself and change the narrative, but nothing has been decided yet. Aides were burning phone lines over the weekend to prevent major elected officials and financial supporters from abandoning him.

One of the strongest voices imploring Mr. Biden to resist pressure to drop out was his son Hunter Biden, whom the president has long leaned on for advice, said one of the people informed about the discussions, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity to share internal deliberations. Hunter Biden wants Americans to see the version of his father that he knows — scrappy and in command of the facts — rather than the stumbling, aging president Americans saw on Thursday night.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

6 minutes ago, nobody said:

It seems like people here have limited experience dealing with dementia patients. 

Some days are better than others.  Biden got propped up for a speech and was able to muster a few twitter sound bites, and the consensus of the bidenettes like rusty, squistion, and Mooney is that he's all good.  

Anyone who saw that debate and then believes Biden is mentally fot for office should have their vote taken away.  

Please find where I said that Biden was all good or defended him. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,108]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Oh good, Biden is listening to the crackhead felon so I’m sure a well-reasoned decision will be made:

 

President Biden’s family is urging him to stay in the race and keep fighting despite last week’s disastrous debate performance, even as some members of his clan privately expressed exasperation at how he was prepared for the event by his staff, people close to the situation said on Sunday.

Mr. Biden huddled with his wife, children and grandchildren at Camp David while he tried to figure out how to tamp down Democratic anxiety. While his relatives are acutely aware of how poorly he did against former President Donald J. Trump, they argued that he could still show the country that he is capable of serving for another four years.

Mr. Biden has also been soliciting ideas from advisers about how to proceed, and his staff has been discussing whether he should hold a news conference or sit for interviews to defend himself and change the narrative, but nothing has been decided yet. Aides were burning phone lines over the weekend to prevent major elected officials and financial supporters from abandoning him.

One of the strongest voices imploring Mr. Biden to resist pressure to drop out was his son Hunter Biden, whom the president has long leaned on for advice, said one of the people informed about the discussions, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity to share internal deliberations. Hunter Biden wants Americans to see the version of his father that he knows — scrappy and in command of the facts — rather than the stumbling, aging president Americans saw on Thursday night.

Hunter Biden wants his dad to stay in for the money-making opportunity.  Dude doesn't give two-sh#ts about his father.  FFS, he banged his dead brother's wife. 

The whole family is disgusting, corrupt and a bunch of degenerates.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

FWIW- there is an Ipsos poll that shows the person gained the most from the first debate was RFK. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Hunter Biden wants his dad to stay in for the money-making opportunity.  Dude doesn't give two-sh#ts about his father.  FFS, he banged his dead brother's wife. 

The whole family is disgusting, corrupt and a bunch of degenerates.

Hunter is definitely a POS and if Joe is looking to him for advice he’s even more senile than he appeared on Thursday