Supreme Court rules President is immune for “official acts”

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Your whataboutism is focking retarded

The term whataboutism is only used by people who are afraid to confront their own hypocrisy. 

"It's absurd that we should discuss the behavior that my side is doing that we're accusing you of."

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Your whataboutism is focking retarded

Yeah. It’s just some killings without due process. It’s not like he said his mansion is worth less than it is. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. It’s just some killings without due process. It’s not like he said his mansion is worth less than it is. 

Yeah I don’t think you get it. Makes sense, because you’re kinda dumb.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Yeah I don’t think you get it. Makes sense, because you’re kinda dumb.

Explain it to me then professor. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Explain it to me then professor. 

I’ll do this once because I’m not sure we’ve ever had this conversation before.

Well actually, first off, this is an especially stupid topic to whatabout because it’s about a ruling that applies to all presidents. So when people are having adult conversations (difficult for you, I know) about the implications of such rulings, you really have to divorce it from any particular individual. So the concern is not Obama, specifically, just as it isn’t Trump, specifically.

But turning to the general stupidity of your constant whatabout arguments, it proves absolutely nothing. Each situation is dealt with on its own merits. So if Obama should’ve been prosecuted, that’s one issue and you deal with it now or you try to make sure it doesn’t happen again. But what you don’t do, is never hold any president accountable ever again simply because, in your view, one wasn’t properly held accountable in the past.

Obviously that’s focking stupid. It’s so obvious that you’re either just trolling or you’re truly so stupid that you cannot comprehend basic concepts. Since you’re MAGA it could well be the latter, but I’m guessing the former and thus I shouldn’t have wasted even this much time typing out what even a child could comprehend

[GutterBoy 2,899]

I think this can backfire in trump and re election.  This could bring people to the polls to keep this crazy person out of office where he can do anything he wants.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

17 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I’ll do this once because I’m not sure we’ve ever had this conversation before.

Well actually, first off, this is an especially stupid topic to whatabout because it’s about a ruling that applies to all presidents. So when people are having adult conversations (difficult for you, I know) about the implications of such rulings, you really have to divorce it from any particular individual. So the concern is not Obama, specifically, just as it isn’t Trump, specifically.

But turning to the general stupidity of your constant whatabout arguments, it proves absolutely nothing. Each situation is dealt with on its own merits. So if Obama should’ve been prosecuted, that’s one issue and you deal with it now or you try to make sure it doesn’t happen again. But what you don’t do, is never hold any president accountable ever again simply because, in your view, one wasn’t properly held accountable in the past.

Obviously that’s focking stupid. It’s so obvious that you’re either just trolling or you’re truly so stupid that you cannot comprehend basic concepts. Since you’re MAGA it could well be the latter, but I’m guessing the former and thus I shouldn’t have wasted even this much time typing out what even a child could comprehend

Sure, in a perfect world. But we're not in a perfect world.

The problem with your post is that your side never holds your side accountable. It's always the other guys you're willing to go after. So we get in this game of you not holding your side accountable but then becoming all pious when you want to go after the other side.  Like you're doing now. So now the other side has to play the same game, because if they don't, then you get to continue flouting the rules and acting all pious while holding everyone else to the fire and expecting them to follow the same rules you don't.  And the next time someone on your side misbehaves, we're going to hear nothing but crickets from you guys.

But mostly you're just upset that people are using your own methods against you.

[Jose M 125]

11 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I’ll do this once because I’m not sure we’ve ever had this conversation before.

Well actually, first off, this is an especially stupid topic to whatabout because it’s about a ruling that applies to all presidents. So when people are having adult conversations (difficult for you, I know) about the implications of such rulings, you really have to divorce it from any particular individual. So the concern is not Obama, specifically, just as it isn’t Trump, specifically.

But turning to the general stupidity of your constant whatabout arguments, it proves absolutely nothing. Each situation is dealt with on its own merits. So if Obama should’ve been prosecuted, that’s one issue and you deal with it now or you try to make sure it doesn’t happen again. But what you don’t do, is never hold any president accountable ever again simply because, in your view, one wasn’t properly held accountable in the past.

Obviously that’s focking stupid. It’s so obvious that you’re either just trolling or you’re truly so stupid that you cannot comprehend basic concepts. Since you’re MAGA it could well be the latter, but I’m guessing the former and thus I shouldn’t have wasted even this much time typing out what even a child could comprehend

His point, you dullard, is the hypocrisy of those crying about about the ruling. It's not that difficult.  

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 hour ago, zsasz said:

Clown comments right here..... "I'll say everything BUT I believe that the election was stolen".

 

I don't know who you are, but I could tell that you were || close to calling me an "election denier."  Good job controlling yourself, simp.

Don't hold back your genius; instead, please respond to my specific comments about how the system was designed to be the most secure ever.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

16 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I’ll do this once because I’m not sure we’ve ever had this conversation before.

Well actually, first off, this is an especially stupid topic to whatabout because it’s about a ruling that applies to all presidents. So when people are having adult conversations (difficult for you, I know) about the implications of such rulings, you really have to divorce it from any particular individual. So the concern is not Obama, specifically, just as it isn’t Trump, specifically.

But turning to the general stupidity of your constant whatabout arguments, it proves absolutely nothing. Each situation is dealt with on its own merits. So if Obama should’ve been prosecuted, that’s one issue and you deal with it now or you try to make sure it doesn’t happen again. But what you don’t do, is never hold any president accountable ever again simply because, in your view, one wasn’t properly held accountable in the past.

Obviously that’s focking stupid. It’s so obvious that you’re either just trolling or you’re truly so stupid that you cannot comprehend basic concepts. Since you’re MAGA it could well be the latter, but I’m guessing the former and thus I shouldn’t have wasted even this much time typing out what even a child could comprehend

Tl/ dr. But thanks. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

2 minutes ago, Jose M said:

His point, you dullard, is the hypocrisy of those crying about about the ruling. It's not that difficult.  

Anytime their hypocrisy is confirmed they screetch “what about ism”. Every time. 

[Voltaire 5,316]

9 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Yeah, he's not going to get very much mileage out of using the legal experts at MSNBC as a point of reference.

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

They tried multiple ways to go after the 2020 election. All the things either got outright turned away or they got told- there is no evidence here. 

So either there is nothing there, or the lawyers were stunningly unprepared, or a little of both. But you want to settle on "the system didn't allow it."?

This is my exactly my point:  they system did not provide the ability to have evidence.  Has nothing to do with being "stunningly unprepared."  Again, I'm not saying it happened.  That being said:

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Yep. If you’re going to make the allegation, you have to prove it.

They never came even remotely close to proving anything.

Jerry knows that but he just can’t quite let it go either. I’m not sure why except that his orange master won’t let him

... Entirely predictable conclusion from you, counselor.   

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Anytime their hypocrisy is confirmed they screetch “what about ism”. Every time. 

There is no hypocrisy, that's the point.  No one claimed Obama should have immunity. If Obama committed murder then he should be held accountable.  The irony here is you're cheering this decision that gives Obama immunity. If there is any hypocrite it's you.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

This is my exactly my point:  they system did not provide the ability to have evidence.

RIGGED!

where's the evidence?

ITS RIGGED AGAINST EVIDENCE 

wut?

ITS JUST RIGGED WAAAAAA

[Voltaire 5,316]

8 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

the President is already above the law, Obama was legally allowed by his office to murder americans

 

al-Awlaki needed blowing up. I fully support Obama for taking him out.

[thegeneral 3,214]

Ideally we never have to kill anyone. But, I kind of prefer it when we drone bad guys. Better than sending 100k soldiers into desert and mountains trying to track these people down and killing them that way.

I hadn’t heard any of the right upset about this TBH. I thought this was a far left or perhaps Libertarian thing.

[jerryskids 6,799]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

RIGGED!

where's the evidence?

ITS RIGGED AGAINST EVIDENCE 

wut?

ITS JUST RIGGED WAAAAAA

This may be the most idiotic, Slingblade-level post I've ever seen from you here.  So congrats I guess.  It manages to capture your utter inability to understand a single word I said, and yet come off as the Leftie pseud that you are.   

[cyclone24 1,913]

25 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I think this can backfire in trump and re election.  This could bring people to the polls to keep this crazy person out of office where he can do anything he wants.

I’m impressed you guys ever sleep at all with all the boogie men you guys create. My God, if he murders a hooker, we can convict him. Good Lord.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

14 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

al-Awlaki needed blowing up. I fully support Obama for taking him out.

A 16 year old American needed to be killed without a trial?  That’s where I disagree 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

11 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Ideally we never have to kill anyone. But, I kind of prefer it when we drone bad guys. Better than sending 100k soldiers into desert and mountains trying to track these people down and killing them that way.

I hadn’t heard any of the right upset about this TBH. I thought this was a far left or perhaps Libertarian thing.

It is a libertarian thing imo. We shouldn’t be invading countries to take oil and blowing kids up 

[seafoam1 3,031]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Biden is such an idiot, he should appoint himself king then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He basically argued that the supreme court just made creepy joe himself king. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

It is a libertarian thing imo. We shouldn’t be invading countries to take oil and blowing kids up 

I mean in a perfect world yeah. I also agree there is something to be said about trying to kill all the enemy, you just create more. 

However, after 9/11 shet needed to be blown up. Preferably in the correct country. The process by which we collect intel should always be reviewed and improved but if you are being told this is the target, well bombs away. Much better than sending in troops. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I mean in a perfect world yeah. I also agree there is something to be said about trying to kill all the enemy, you just create more. 

However, after 9/11 shet needed to be blown up. Preferably in the correct country. The process by which we collect intel should always be reviewed and improved but if you are being told this is the target, well bombs away. Much better than sending in troops. 

when does 9/11 stop being an excuse?  After we lied at Iraq, Syria, Libya?

 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

On this point, I've been wanting to say, not necessarily to you specifically but in general, since I have some time now:  

I have some systems engineering experience, and there is a saying in that field:  a system does what it's designed to do.  It's kinda like software, which does exactly what you tell it to do... except that often, what you tell it to do (program it) is not what you intended.  Hence bugs.  It's not a perfect analogy, but my 2020 analogy was that the "system" was designed to enable a lot of fraud which was undetectable.  Numerous states shotgunned paper ballots to registered voters in a manner they had never done before, nor vetted, nor tested.  And states provided numerous unmonitored drop boxes to receive them.

Whenever I hear about challenges about recounts being upheld, I want to club a baby seal or two.  The question was never about counting ballots IMO, it was about garbage in, garbage out.  Challenges to voting machines, counts, etc. were just diving catches.

This is not to say that it absolutely happened, because as I just described, the system was not designed to answer that question.  But as a systems engineer, when I hear people say "most secure election ever!", I laugh, because that's statistically impossible.

And when the MSM comes up with a label like "election denier!," parroted by the Left to brow beat those who dare oppose the party line... well, I suspect their motivation. 

 

Great post.

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

when does 9/11 stop being an excuse?  After we lied at Iraq, Syria, Libya?

 

I suppose we are always getting closer. We are out of Afghanistan now. There will always be some bad dudes to explode though. Drone em.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

I suppose we are always getting closer. We are out of Afghanistan now. There will always be some bad dudes to explode though. Drone em.

or just let them cross the southern border, either is fine

[thegeneral 3,214]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

or just let them cross the southern border, either is fine

What would you want to have happen if we were attacked again?
 

 

 

 

 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What would you want to have happen if we were attacked again?
 

 

 

 

 

 

invade Madagascar

 

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

invade Madagascar

I’d call that Plan B

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

Just now, thegeneral said:

I’d call that Plan B

whats plan A, draw a fake line in the sand?

throw money at the problem?

oh I know send 6 trizillion to Iran

 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

The important question now is what YOU are going to do if I'm right and Trump goes off the rails.

Honestly?  I don’t know that Trump won’t “go off the rails”.  He went off the rails a bit with Jan. 6th imo.  I don’t know what Donald Trump will do.

But I do know what the Leftists in this country will do.  They’ll continue acting like petulant, power-hungry tyrants - suing Trump into oblivion in a blatant attempt to interfere in an election.  So, yeah, fock you guys.  If Trump goes off the rails and shitt goes sideways, I really don’t care all that much.  The Left in this country needs to be taken down like rabid dogs.  There is no reasoning with people who vote for unfettered abortions up until birth.  You can’t deal with people who think it is ok to teach elementary school kids that transgenderism is ok, and to allow Doctors to butcher their bodies.  I could go on and on.  Can’t have adult conversations with the Left.  I tried it for 15 years in places like this and it’s a fool’s errand.

Now do I think Trump “goes off the rails?”  Actually I don’t.  Trump is a pragmatist, and he’s too interested in producing good results.  And there’s way too many Leftists in positions to obstruct anything he tries to do anyway.  He’s not a nihilist like you crazy focks, so he’ll talk a good game, get you pearl-clutching ninnies all riled up, but in the end nothing substantive will happen.

[thegeneral 3,214]

7 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

whats plan A, draw a fake line in the sand?

throw money at the problem?

oh I know send 6 trizillion to Iran

 

Droning bad dudes is a good start. Isn’t that what we were talking about?

How this is the same as a Prez’s officially duties consisting of pressuring DoJ to say an election was corrupt or your VP to not certify the election after you were advised that is illegal I don’t know.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

RIGGED!

where's the evidence?

ITS RIGGED AGAINST EVIDENCE 

wut?

ITS JUST RIGGED WAAAAAA

I have an indoor cat.  It has never been outside.  It has no idea what the outside world is like, so he doesn’t miss it.

Somewhere in there is an analogy about you not being able to understand the point he just made.

[seafoam1 3,031]

Just now, Patented Phil said:

I have an indoor cat.  It has never been outside.  It has no idea what the outside world is like, so he doesn’t miss it.

Somewhere in there is an analogy about you not being able to understand the point he just made.

It's called the liberal collective.

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Hey @The Real timschochet, can we get a title change on this thread?  The president is not immune for "official acts," there is a presumption of immunity for "official acts," and the prosecution has the burden of proof to contest that.  Basically, the American way.  TIA.  

This is not my understanding of the decision. If you can’t be tried it’s more than a presumption.

Also the American way is the presumption of innocence not the presumption of immunity. 

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

I think this can backfire in trump and re election.  This could bring people to the polls to keep this crazy person out of office where he can do anything he wants.

Actually Hitler!!!!

[Fnord 2,275]

2 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Honestly?  I don’t know that Trump won’t “go off the rails”.  He went off the rails a bit with Jan. 6th imo.  I don’t know what Donald Trump will do. Thanks for the honest answer. You left off: "and I don't care." And then:

1.But I do know what the Leftists in this country will do.  They’ll continue acting like petulant, power-hungry tyrants - suing Trump into oblivion in a blatant attempt to interfere in an election.  

2. So, yeah, fock you guys.  If Trump goes off the rails and shitt goes sideways, I really don’t care all that much.  The Left in this country needs to be taken down like rabid dogs.  

3.There is no reasoning with people who vote for unfettered abortions up until birth.  

4.You can’t deal with people who think it is ok to teach elementary school kids that transgenderism is ok, and to allow Doctors to butcher their bodies.  I could go on and on.  Can’t have adult conversations with the Left.  I tried it for 15 years in places like this and it’s a fool’s errand.

But it's FOR SURE The LEFT's fault you can't have an adult conversation. The above indicates a pretty drastic lack of self awareness. Thanks for trying to have an adult conversation.

Now do I think Trump “goes off the rails?”  Actually I don’t.  

5. Trump is a pragmatist, and he’s too interested in producing good results. 

6. And there’s way too many Leftists in positions to obstruct anything he tries to do anyway.  He’s not a nihilist like you crazy focks, so he’ll talk a good game, get you pearl-clutching ninnies all riled up, but in the end nothing substantive will happen.

1. Doesn't matter what happens in the election anymore. You guys are so hardwired for muh fraud you'll never accept another victory by a non-Republican for POTUS again, no matter how many times it's proven to you.

2. This is you mimicking Trump, dehumanizing millions of people you hate. "Put them down like rabid dogs." You mean this? Or just engaging in hyperbole?

3. This statement is a right wing fever dream. Stop it. It's a lie. This is not something real people support and the tiny fraction of people that do can fuk off.

4. Again, the VAST majority of people, including liberals, are not in full advocacy for any of this.

5. This made me laugh.

6. Here's a prediction: Trump gets elected, and shortly after inauguration begins doing things that a lot of people (media, doctors, lawyers, experts in their fields and not just political partisans) assess as being illegal, anti-constitutional, even felonious (I know, big stretch). But he keeps doing it.

Pretty soon a majority of Americans realize what he's doing is not okay and begin to resist. But you guys will let him keep doing it. You may even engage in it. And you will ALWAYS justify it, no matter what it is.

You've already said I should be put down like a rabid dog. Rabid dogs get shot on the spot, no question or hesitation. There is no ambiguity in that statement. So which is it? Are you completely full of shitt, just another thoughtless, bloviating redneck lacking integrity, or are you a real man thats totally on board with executing fellow Americans?

 

[seafoam1 3,031]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

1. Doesn't matter what happens in the election anymore. You guys are so hardwired for muh fraud you'll never accept another victory by a non-Republican for POTUS again, no matter how many times it's proven to you.

2. This is you mimicking Trump, dehumanizing millions of people you hate. "Put them down like rabid dogs." You mean this? Or just engaging in hyperbole?

3. This statement is a right wing fever dream. Stop it. It's a lie. This is not something real people support and the tiny fraction of people that do can fuk off.

4. Again, the VAST majority of people, including liberals, are not in full advocacy for any of this.

5. This made me laugh.

6. Here's a prediction: Trump gets elected, and shortly after inauguration begins doing things that a lot of people (media, doctors, lawyers, experts in their fields and not just political partisans) assess as being illegal, anti-constitutional, even felonious (I know, big stretch). But he keeps doing it.

Pretty soon a majority of Americans realize what he's doing is not okay and begin to resist. But you guys will let him keep doing it. You may even engage in it. And you will ALWAYS justify it, no matter what it is.

You've already said I should be put down like a rabid dog. Rabid dogs get shot on the spot, no question or hesitation. There is no ambiguity in that statement. So which is it? Are you completely full of shitt, just another thoughtless, bloviating redneck lacking integrity, or are you a real man thats totally on board with executing fellow Americans?

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,997]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

You've already said I should be put down like a rabid dog. Rabid dogs get shot on the spot, no question or hesitation