Banking free throws

[Alias Detective 1,389]

Newer phenomenon.  Asian basketball players are finding themselves with higher free throw percentages due to banking them.

Does anyone in the NBA do this?

[Tree of Knowledge 1,699]

32 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Newer phenomenon.  Asian basketball players are finding themselves with higher free throw percentages due to banking them.

Does anyone in the NBA do this?

It doesn’t look cool.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

NBA players average 6'6", but Asians average around 5'6".  It's all about trajectory.  It's why the really tall (7' types), struggle with free throws.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

47 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

NBA players average 6'6", but Asians average around 5'6".  It's all about trajectory.  It's why the really tall (7' types), struggle with free throws.

The short height of most asians was related to poor diet, the newer generations are all quite a bit taller than their parents.

Also the basketball players are still taller than average over there. Below is the link to the team that won the league last year where this is taking off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busan_KCC_Egis

[IGotWorms 4,057]

That’s for chicks

[Mark Davis 339]

59 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

NBA players average 6'6", but Asians average around 5'6".  It's all about trajectory.  It's why the really tall (7' types), struggle with free throws.

This is pretty much the answer I think.  It's why big men struggle so mightily from the line when some women's players are near automatic due to form, technique, and repitition.  My FT% actually dropped from middle school to high school as I grew taller.  Had to learn to bend more at the knees to compensate.  I guess bank shots could work, but seems to me like the straight on angle would make it much more difficult.  Maybe I just never considered it but I was always taught to just finesse it over the top of the front iron with touch. 

It's gotten really bad in college basketball today.  When the game is on the line I don't trust even the superstar players there to make two clutch FT's.  That's the one area that the women's game is superior in.  Most of them are fundamentally sound, especially the guards shooting FT's.  But as stated above, they are also shorter, creates an easier angle to shoot with touch versus someone shooting from a much higher and flatter trajectory release point.

[Gladiators 1,963]

As long as they call it, all is good.

[weepaws 3,152]

Wasn’t it Rick Berry that would shoot his free throws under hand. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

29 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

The short height of most asians was related to poor diet, the newer generations are all quite a bit taller than their parents.

Also the basketball players are still taller than average over there. Below is the link to the team that won the league last year where this is taking off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busan_KCC_Egis

LOL, I was being sarcastic with the height issue and tried to exaggerate it.  I never looked anything up.  I do however think there's probably some legitimate merit to it.  I've seen international games between the US and other Asian countries, and while I did exaggerate the height difference for comedic affect, it's still there... and obvious.

Now, while I do think the height difference is definitely less than a foot, even if it's like 4 or 5 inches, we see how that affects the NBA.  Historically, a guy who's 7' tall and a guy who's 6'8", are only 4" different, but you'll find free throw percentages to favor the shorter players.  Keep in mind that it's not just height, it's wingspan because when a player is shooting, they're extending their arms up and out and that makes a difference.  If you have someone who's 6'4 and someone who's 6'2 stand next to each other, you'll see a 2" difference at the shoulder... but if they raised their arms, their finger tips are likely to show a 4" difference.  So, when I did say I exaggerated the heights for comedic purposes, looking at your link and a link I found online, the average Asian player is around 6'2" (your link)... ironically, the average NBA is in fact 6'6" (google... a lucky guess, nothing more).  That's 4 inches, and when wingspan comes into play, that's 8".  That's rather substantial and it's possible that shorter players benefit from shooting off the glass.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

4 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Wasn’t it Rick Berry that would shoot his free throws under hand. 

I believe so.  Hey, I think they should all do what works for themselves.  If bouncing it on the floor, going up through the rim and coming back down makes someone better from the line, then they should do that.

[Alias Detective 1,389]

The technique has been a staple among South Korean basketball players for years. Experts say about half of the top 10 free-throw shooters regularly bank their free throws. Players who have exclusively banked them have pushed their free throw percentages into the 80s and 90s.

[BeenHereBefore 1,453]

4 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

Newer phenomenon.  Asian basketball players are finding themselves with higher free throw percentages due to banking them.

Does anyone in the NBA do this?

Luka should try it cause whatever he is doing isn't working. amazing he can hit those long three's with dudes in his face but sucks at the foul line.

[BeenHereBefore 1,453]

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

Wasn’t it Rick Berry that would shoot his free throws under hand. 

Yep and was very good at it.

[weepaws 3,152]

2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I believe so.  Hey, I think they should all do what works for themselves.  If bouncing it on the floor, going up through the rim and coming back down makes someone better from the line, then they should do that.

Can they bounce it in? 

[weepaws 3,152]

1 hour ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Yep and was very good at it.

Looked silly, but very good results. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,453]

Just now, weepaws said:

Looked silly, but very good results. 

Agreed and made me want to read his biography when I was young.

[bostonlager 2,664]

Over there they call it chinking them in off the glass. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

5 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

NBA players average 6'6", but Asians average around 5'6".  It's all about trajectory.  It's why the really tall (7' types), struggle with free throws.

 

3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

LOL, I was being sarcastic with the height issue and tried to exaggerate it.  I never looked anything up.  I do however think there's probably some legitimate merit to it.  I've seen international games between the US and other Asian countries, and while I did exaggerate the height difference for comedic affect, it's still there... and obvious.

Now, while I do think the height difference is definitely less than a foot, even if it's like 4 or 5 inches, we see how that affects the NBA.  Historically, a guy who's 7' tall and a guy who's 6'8", are only 4" different, but you'll find free throw percentages to favor the shorter players.  Keep in mind that it's not just height, it's wingspan because when a player is shooting, they're extending their arms up and out and that makes a difference.  If you have someone who's 6'4 and someone who's 6'2 stand next to each other, you'll see a 2" difference at the shoulder... but if they raised their arms, their finger tips are likely to show a 4" difference.  So, when I did say I exaggerated the heights for comedic purposes, looking at your link and a link I found online, the average Asian player is around 6'2" (your link)... ironically, the average NBA is in fact 6'6" (google... a lucky guess, nothing more).  That's 4 inches, and when wingspan comes into play, that's 8".  That's rather substantial and it's possible that shorter players benefit from shooting off the glass.

 

not to say any of this is wrong but if really tall players historically struggle with free throws, and it's possible that shorter players benefit from shooting off the glass, do shorter NBA players also historically struggle with free throws? is there a sweet spot in the 6'4-6'8 range?

Without looking anything up in regards to this, I would think... if anything... it might be harder for a shorter player, looking more upward at the rim from the foul line, to execute a successful bank shot.  But regardless, if there is any science or merit to banking free throws, wouldn't it provide a similar benefit across the board? Where a really tall NBA player could improve their % by banking it, but still struggle relative to a short player who is banking it, etc.

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I recall seeing an asian kid playing pop-a-shot and killing it...banking one shot after another.  Not 100% the same, but in the ballpark.

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55 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Can they bounce it in? 

I think so. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

15 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

not to say any of this is wrong but if really tall players historically struggle with free throws, and it's possible that shorter players benefit from shooting off the glass, do shorter NBA players also historically struggle with free throws? is there a sweet spot in the 6'4-6'8 range?

Without looking anything up in regards to this, I would think... if anything... it might be harder for a shorter player, looking more upward at the rim from the foul line, to execute a successful bank shot.  But regardless, if there is any science or merit to banking free throws, wouldn't it provide a similar benefit across the board? Where a really tall NBA player could improve their % by banking it, but still struggle relative to a short player who is banking it, etc.

I think considering that the average height of an NBA player is 6'6, my guess is that you'd probably have a hard time finding a real answer to that question... only because, I'm guessing the vast majority of players are between 6'4 and 6'8.  I think for the most part, we all agree that you only get out what you put in, right?  If you go out and put the effort in to being a really good free throw shooter, you'll probably be a really good free throw shooter... though, not a given.  That said, I'm willing to go out on a limb and assume (I know), that the majority of good free throw shooters fall within a certain height range.  Now, is it 6'4 to 6'8?  I don't know... maybe it's 6'2 to 6'6.  I just think that math plays a part.  I think the trajectory of the ball leaving the hand tends to yield better results from a natural position of people at certain heights than others.  Again, I'm purely speculating, but math is rarely wrong.

Top 10 NBA free throw shooters (all-time)...

1. Steph Curry (6'-2")
2. Steve Nash (6'-3")
3. Mark Price (6'-0")
4. Damian Lillard (6'-2")
5. Peja Stojaković (6'-10")
6. Chauncey Billups (6'-3")
7. Ray Allen (6'-5")
8. Rick Barry (6'-7")
9. JJ Redick (6'-3")
10. Calvin Murphy (5'-9")

You have 2 outliers, Peja and Murphy.  You have Price at 6', but the 7 of the other 10 fall between 6'2 and 6'7.  I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that if you go through the top 100, you won't go too far off that 70% hit rate.

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1 hour ago, weepaws said:

Can they bounce it in? 

Not on a free throw. 

[Engorgeous George 2,124]

Rick Berry's method has the ball traveling the shortes distance through the ark of the shot.  The ball is essentially released 12 feet from the basket rather than 15.  The physics favor it as to both aim and the velocity of the shot meaning it can settle on the rim and go in and not bounce off.

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8 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

That’s for chicks

With dics ?

Another tranny thread