Had to off-board 3 people today. :(

[edjr 6,592]

I don't do the actual firing, as I am IT. I do shutdown accounts and deactivate access.

We have less than 100 employees. That makes 10 in the past 2 months. 

None of them are being replaced that I know of. 

10% is real. 

[Strike 5,553]

Used to have to do this annually.  Company I worked for did layoffs just prior to giving bonuses.  So every year they gave me a list and the time they were meeting with the soon to be ex employee so I could disable network access during their meeting.  Sucked.

[jerryskids 6,799]

A while back I was let go as part of a hooge reduction (Strike, I think you helped me at the time.   )  Anyway, as I was on the call getting the news, I had the good sense to get off of our company network.  After the call I did an indiscriminate download of files, although I made sure I got my contacts (which are gold to salespeople).  Sure enough, when I put the computer back on the network, it was remotely lobotomized.

Some time later I went into our local office to do my exit interview and hand in my computer.  The manager is a good personal friend, and we chatted.  I probably said something about the lobotomy, and he told me... the company had software on all computers which tracked every file that came in and went out. 

I was like:   Cool, yeah, that makes sense.

Our market was very sophisticated CAD SW, and years earlier, somebody stole source code and started a new competing company.  Massive lawsuits ensued, including criminal, and one guy from the stealing company fled to China to avoid incarceration.  I'm told that case is well-known in patent/copyright law circles.

Anyway, I didn't have source code, so they apparently didn't care that I stole marketing presentations.

 

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

I don't do the actual firing, as I am IT. I do shutdown accounts and deactivate access.

We have less than 100 employees. That makes 10 in the past 2 months. 

None of them are being replaced that I know of. 

10% is real. 

I'm sorry man. IT folks who handle this go through a lot, it's tough. Take care.

[kilroy69 1,251]

I have moved beyond the firing aspect of my job years ago. That being said I have fired probably 1500-2k people over the years. Most of them go smoothly because they almost always had an idea of what was coming.  ONE guy though got super irate and threw a size 12 steel toed boot at me. He missed and stormed out but man that was the suck. I hated that part of the job. 

 I have also saved peoples jobs. While working at a shop I had a guy come in with a minor injury and want to go to the hospital so he could get the night off. I took him over to a corner and quietly reminded him that he smelled like weed every night when he came in and that they were going to drop him if he went to the hospital for something a band-aid could take care of. He opted to take the bandaid I was offering. 

 

I also literally took the boots off my feet so an operator could make it to his shift on time and not point out. 

[edjr 6,592]

I’ve only had to actually fire people at my fake bar. 

Deactivating accounts in the background is where it’s at

[edjr 6,592]

34 minutes ago, Strike said:

Used to have to do this annually.  Company I worked for did layoffs just prior to giving bonuses.  So every year they gave me a list and the time they were meeting with the soon to be ex employee so I could disable network access during their meeting.  Sucked.

I was “laid off” last July, 2 weeks before raise/bonus

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

There are layoffs in my industry and budget will be cut further next year. 

 

I am going to lose a developer at end of year unless something changes

[nobody 2,673]

We have pretty regular layoffs.  We have so many shìtbags, though, I love when they happen.  I'd fire these bastards gleefully.  "Yep, we're finally getting rid of your grifting ass.  Time to take your fraud down the road.  Hopefully you become homeless, you piece of shìt."

I don't get why people get so broken up about these clowns.  We fired one guy that I had to kick off my program because not only was he a waste of space, he was actively keeping other people from getting work done.  

The same team lead I told to drop him was telling me that he was trying to find another role for him.  I about freaked the fūck out.  I was telling him, "don't go saddle some other department with this guy." He says, "but he's been here for 30 years," and I say, "yeah, and he should've been fired 20 years ago.  Think about the people who all have to do extra work to make up for him."

 

[DonS 3,292]

17 minutes ago, edjr said:

I’ve only had to actually fire people at my fake bar. 

Deactivating accounts in the background is where it’s at

Over the years whenever a coworker is having trouble accessing email or other systems I'd always joke to them "uh-oh, sounds like you're getting sh1t canned" 

[Fnord 2,273]

23 minutes ago, edjr said:

I’ve only had to actually fire people at my fake bar. 

Deactivating accounts in the background is where it’s at

It sucks. I've only had to do it a handful of times, always for employees that were absolute hot garbage. Even when I can't stand them and they cause constant problems I still feel bad for them.

[nobody 2,673]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

It sucks. I've only had to do it a handful of times, always for employees that were absolute hot garbage. Even when I can't stand them and they cause constant problems I still feel bad for them.

That explains your political leanings.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,438]

38 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I'm sorry man. IT folks who handle this go through a lot, it's tough. Take care.

I think he’ll be ok Nancy.  

[Fnord 2,273]

Just now, nobody said:

That explains your political leanings.

Empathy? I guess I won't argue that. It's definitely a trait that has disappeared on the right.

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I think he’ll be ok

I'm sure. My experience with IT is they're good people. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Empathy? I guess I won't argue that. It's definitely a trait that has disappeared on the right.

It's sympathy, not empathy.  Lefties probably have more sympathy -- it's why you think black people need your charity, for instance.  Well, not YOUR charity, but taxes from other people, since  conservatives give significantly more to charities.

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Our meta-analysis results suggest that political conservatives are significantly more charitable than liberals at an overall level, but the relationship between political ideology and charitable giving varies under different scenarios. 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34429211/#:~:text=Our meta-analysis results suggest,giving varies under different scenarios.

[seafoam1 3,031]

27 minutes ago, Fnord said:

It sucks. I've only had to do it a handful of times, always for employees that were absolute hot garbage. Even when I can't stand them and they cause constant problems I still feel bad for them.

Yeah, you liberals feel bad when it comes to your own unskilled "hot garbage" toilet scrubbers. 

[Fnord 2,273]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

It's sympathy, not empathy.  Lefties probably have more sympathy -- it's why you think black people need your charity, for instance.  Well, not YOUR charity, but taxes from other people, since  conservatives give significantly more to charities.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34429211/#:~:text=Our meta-analysis results suggest,giving varies under different scenarios.

No I meant empathy, not sympathy. I have what used to be a very common ability that has all but disappeared in America: I can consider another's perspective, even when I disagree with them. I guess I'm just an old "beta cuck," to use your political brethren's charming label.

I appreciate the link, though I regrettably don't have the time to read a meta-analysis of 31 studies. I do believe that conservatives give more charitably; if nothing else, they're a lot more likely to attend church and offer some sort of tithe. 

I'm just calling it as I see it Jerry. I have seen a distinct drift toward intolerance and xenophobia, and an extreme disdain for anyone not in step with MAGA. Obviously that also occurs on the left, but I've asked a few people around here that have said shlt like "all libs need to be put down like dogs" or "can't wait for the civil war" if they really mean it, and so far no one has copped to hyperbole. They stand by their violent, anti-American opinions. I don't hear that from the left.

[jerryskids 6,799]

15 minutes ago, Fnord said:

No I meant empathy, not sympathy. I have what used to be a very common ability that has all but disappeared in America: I can consider another's perspective, even when I disagree with them. I guess I'm just an old "beta cuck," to use your political brethren's charming label.

I appreciate the link, though I regrettably don't have the time to read a meta-analysis of 31 studies. I do believe that conservatives give more charitably; if nothing else, they're a lot more likely to attend church and offer some sort of tithe. 

I'm just calling it as I see it Jerry. I have seen a distinct drift toward intolerance and xenophobia, and an extreme disdain for anyone not in step with MAGA. Obviously that also occurs on the left, but I've asked a few people around here that have said shlt like "all libs need to be put down like dogs" or "can't wait for the civil war" if they really mean it, and so far no one has copped to hyperbole. They stand by their violent, anti-American opinions. I don't hear that from the left.

I actually have very high empathy -- I have often said that it was probably the biggest quality which helped me be successful in sales negotiations.  If you are as empathetic as you say, then you realize that the vast majority of the poor conservatives you hold with disdain want jobs to support their family, not other people's money.

You would also understand why they like Trump.  These folks used to be in your party, but you abandoned them, starting with Obama.  A lot of them were racist then as they are now, but you hear it now because the Left seems to actively want to flood the country with people from south of the border.  

Regarding the posters here, sure, a few of them are racist, and a few of them say stupid stuff, but that doesn't mean that everyone who supports Trump's policies is a xenophobic idiot.

[Alias Detective 1,402]

@Edjr, the folks you work with are indispensable.  I assure you the industry you are in isn’t going anywhere.

[Fnord 2,273]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I actually have very high empathy -- I have often said that it was probably the biggest quality which helped me be successful in sales negotiations.  If you are as empathetic as you say, then you realize that the vast majority of the poor conservatives you hold with disdain want jobs to support their family, not other people's money.

You would also understand why they like Trump.  These folks used to be in your party, but you abandoned them, starting with Obama.  A lot of them were racist then as they are now, but you hear it now because the Left seems to actively want to flood the country with people from south of the border.  

Regarding the posters here, sure, a few of them are racist, and a few of them say stupid stuff, but that doesn't mean that everyone who supports Trump's policies is a xenophobic idiot.

To the bolded: have I ever claimed otherwise? Also, I've gone out of my way many times to say that I do not believe that the vast majority of Trump supporters are racists. But, like anyone else, they are humans that tend to be receptive of us v. them messaging. And let me be clear: I have no issues with poor people; that was me growing up and I understand acutely many of the problems poor Americans face.

I've always appreciated why his supporters like what Trump represents. I even agree in many ways. My problem has always been that they chose basically the worst possible human to be the voice of the D.C. outsider stirring the pot, taking on the corrupt politicos, and standing up for the millions of people being left behind. They need and deserve a voice. What they got is a hardened demagogue completely lacking in most relatable human traits that ultimately will hurt them more than he helps. And he won't GAF when he does.

[nobody 2,673]

I have empathy for the shìtbags getting fired, but that's also like saying you have empathy for a murderer getting sentenced to jail time.  

Yes, that definitely sucks, and I definitely understand that it sucks, but if it's exactly what you deserve I'm not going to be torn up about it.

[jerryskids 6,799]

32 minutes ago, Fnord said:

To the bolded: have I ever claimed otherwise? Also, I've gone out of my way many times to say that I do not believe that the vast majority of Trump supporters are racists. But, like anyone else, they are humans that tend to be receptive of us v. them messaging. And let me be clear: I have no issues with poor people; that was me growing up and I understand acutely many of the problems poor Americans face.

I've always appreciated why his supporters like what Trump represents. I even agree in many ways. My problem has always been that they chose basically the worst possible human to be the voice of the D.C. outsider stirring the pot, taking on the corrupt politicos, and standing up for the millions of people being left behind. They need and deserve a voice. What they got is a hardened demagogue completely lacking in most relatable human traits that ultimately will hurt them more than he helps. And he won't GAF when he does.

Well, a few things.

One, you and I fundamentally disagree on Trump's motives.  IMO his primary motivation is his narcissistic ego, not money.  Trump doesn't need more money.  But he feeds off of the adulation of others.

Two, there weren't a lot of other people auditioning for the role of DC outsider / pot stirrer.  Pretty much everyone else running is a lifer politician.

Three, when you get someone who is not a seasoned politician, that person is likely to be, how should I say it... rough around the edges?  It's part of the package for such a person.

Four, the more the Left hates and attacks him, the stronger he becomes and the more his fans support him.  Because that hatred and attack is evidence that the swamp doesn't like him, which is what they want.  If the Left really wanted to take away his power, they would ignore him, like Freddy Kruger.  Somehow, they haven't figured this out.

 

[edjr 6,592]

another non-political threat turned into a political thread? you focking clowns are intolerable

[frank 2,307]

Well--well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?

[cmh6476 1,025]

I've had to let several people go.   For the most part they all understood when the decision had to be made as we probably let people get away with more than the leverage they would get in most places.   You just try to do it with grace and hope they come out in a better place after the fact. And I'm glad when I see some of those people out and about and they aren't mad and seem appreciative of seeing me and asking how things are going.   That happened just this weekend.   

[seafoam1 3,031]

3 hours ago, edjr said:

I don't do the actual firing, as I am IT. I do shutdown accounts and deactivate access.

We have less than 100 employees. That makes 10 in the past 2 months. 

None of them are being replaced that I know of. 

10% is real. 

So...you make zero business decisions, was sent an email, or a service now ticket, or whatever, and go into some application like SAP, Salesforce, etc...and log into edit mode on an HR/security  transaction, and check a box and maybe update a valid from/to date, and that is the definition of you offboarding employees?

And you imply that they won't be replaced because you know no nothing. 

I get it, the economy sucks, but don't make make shlt up about what you know or don't know. 

[Alias Detective 1,402]

20 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

So...you make zero business decisions, was sent an email, or a service now ticket, or whatever, and go into some application like SAP, Salesforce, etc...and log into edit mode on an HR/security  transaction, and check a box and maybe update a valid from/to date, and that is the definition of you offboarding employees?

And you imply that they won't be replaced because you know no nothing. 

I get it, the economy sucks, but don't make make shlt up about what you know or don't know. 

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[supermike80 1,913]

Had to let one of my team go Friday.  Tough.  Weve seen some fairly large revenue reductions and had to align the salaried crew with that.  Ive let plenty go in my career, and they almost always had it coming.  He didnt.  Was just a business decision.  I had to deliver the news though.  Sucked

[cmh6476 1,025]

I was at a meeting on Thursday with HR professionals, and several of the manufacturers in town have said they have slowed down hiring.  A meat processing facility is currently overstaffed and and they've slowed their recruiting efforts, and the a couple other large manufacturers have said they are being more selective in their hiring, and rather than just filling positions with warm bodies are looking at things like work history, communication skills, etc.

Definitely different than the trend of the last couple years where everybody was looking for workers.