Discussion of Concerns for Trump Presidency

[jerryskids 6,135]

I'd like to have a serious discussion on legitimate concerns regarding the upcoming Trump presidency.  I've got some friends and family who aren't handling this well, much like the 4B and other sky screamers on Tik Tok and the MSDNC.

I would like to have a rational discussion with them, and with you.  Doing so IMO involves acknowledging legitimate concerns they may have.

To that end, please state on an actual concern that the Left might have which is potentially valid.  I'd like to acknowledge these in such discussions. 

Here, I'll start, for @The Real timschochet 's benefit: If Trump institutes the tariffs in the way he's described, it would likely cause a significant increase in prices for a lot of everyday goods.  I've argued that this is part of his "art of the deal" to get China to negotiate, but that is my opinion only, so this is a valid concern.

I don't want to limit discussion, but I'll say right now that "he said he'd be a dictator on day one" is dumb and not going to make the cut, since this is childish and has been debunked.

I'll collect rational concerns in the following post.

TIA!

[jerryskids 6,135]

Reasonable concerns:

- Tariffs -- If implemented as Trump has stated, would probably cause a mass disruption in our supply chain and prices.

- Mass deportation -- Also a mass disruption, economic issues with losing workers, civil rights concerns.

- Elon streamlining government -- Could introduce a huge number of (former) government employees into the workforce, many of which may not have (government) skills which easily translate to the civilian workplace.

- RFK's influence on health agencies -- Same as above. 

- End of gender affirming care -- I'm not really sure how this would manifest, for adults anyway.  I could see laws against medically transing kids, which I (and most rational people) would view as a good thing, but some like @squistionmight view that as a negative.

- End of naturalized citizenship for Dreamers -- Highly unlikely as it is specifically enumerated in the Constitution.  I might remove this one.

- Environment and climate change efforts -- Trump has vowed to "drill baby drill" which, along with a general disinterest in pursuing green initiatives, makes it likely that we'll invest less in this area.

- Abortion -- Long shot that Congress would propose a ban, Trump would sign it, and SCOTUS would approve it

- SCOTUS -- Trump could potentially set 2 or 3 more conservative justices on the bench, securing a conservative court for decades to come.

- Removal of licenses from media companies -- I don't know much about this, but OK

- Some Trump appointees generate reasonable concerns.  Gaetz for AG in particular is concerning given, if nothing else, his resignation prior to the release of the investigation into his potential inappropriate conduct with a 17 yr old.  RFKJ, while having valid criticisms of the status quo, may go too far as head of HHS.  Tom Homan is, to put it lightly, a no-nonsense border czar who has no qualms about separating families, or shipping out entire families, some of whom may be Dreamers.  There are others:  if anyone wants to specifically call them out, reply as such.

[shadrap 163]

I am concerned with tariffs but not well versed in the subject, but if Trump says we are getting hosed then let's do something.  Maybe a short term(1 year) of us taking it on the chin is worth future gains??

[Strike 4,732]

So under Biden I was worried I wouldn't have enough money saved for retirement.  Now I'm worried I won't be able to spend all the money I'm going to have.  Normally I'd say I'd donate to illegal aliens but there aren't going to be any.  This administration is going to suck!

[Gutterboys Flip Flops 110]

What if he sends out mean twitters again?

[IGotWorms 3,956]

I’m reserving judgment to see what he actually does. Based on his first term and who he is as a person I expect chaos and vitriol but I hope I’m proven wrong. Hopefully he goes way lighter on the tariffs then threatened hopefully it works. Hopefully he doesn’t give away fock tons of tax cuts to billionaires who certainly don’t need even more tax cuts. Hopefully we have a real election in four years and Vance or whomever gives way if they lose. I don’t know, I don’t see the point in screaming and crying about every little thing but I’d be lying if I said I was optimistic for the Trump Administration Pt 2

[thegeneral 2,458]

I would like to know how this Mass Deportation will take place.

[thegeneral 2,458]

How Elon will streamline government agencies is of interest.

[Horseman 1,983]

Just now, thegeneral said:

I would like to know how this Mass Deportation will take place.

You know how they all got here - the opposite of that.  

[thegeneral 2,458]

Just now, Horseman said:

You know how they all got here - the opposite of that.  

They snuck in though. Will they sneak out?

[Horseman 1,983]

Just now, thegeneral said:

They snuck in though. Will they sneak out?

The OP asked for legitimate concerns.  Listing out things you don't understand not only aren't legitimate concerns, but, would take up way too much time.  

[IGotWorms 3,956]

Just now, Horseman said:

The OP asked for legitimate concerns.  Listing out things you don't understand not only aren't legitimate concerns, but, would take up way too much time.  

He also asked for serious discussion only. Seems you might be veering away from that

[thegeneral 2,458]

3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

The OP asked for legitimate concerns.  Listing out things you don't understand not only aren't legitimate concerns, but, would take up way too much time.  

The legitimate concern is how is this going to be accomplished. Now that we will try to do this specifics need to be laid out. Has that been done?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,369]

Just now, thegeneral said:

The legitimate concern is how is this going to be accomplished. Now that we will try to do this specifics need to be laid out. Has that been done?

You want details on this 2 days after the election?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,077]

I was taught in many of my trainings that you can’t, and should  not expect an unreasonable person to behave reasonably. 

[Voltaire 4,897]

20 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'd like to have a serious discussion on legitimate concerns regarding the upcoming Trump presidency.  I've got some friends and family who aren't handling this well, much like the 4B and other sky screamers on Tik Tok and the MSDNC.

I would like to have a rational discussion with them, and with you.  Doing so IMO involves acknowledging legitimate concerns they may have.

To that end, please state on an actual concern that the Left might have which is potentially valid.  I'd like to acknowledge these in such discussions. 

Here, I'll start, for @The Real timschochet 's benefit: If Trump institutes the tariffs in the way he's described, it would likely cause a significant increase in prices for a lot of everyday goods.  I've argued that this is part of his "art of the deal" to get China to negotiate, but that is my opinion only, so this is a valid concern.

I don't want to limit discussion, but I'll say right now that "he said he'd be a dictator on day one" is dumb and not going to make the cut, since this is childish and has been debunked.

I'll collect rational concerns in the following post.

TIA!

Here i was, hoping for an irrational discussion of illegitimate concerns regarding the upcoming Trump presidency. I suppose I'll go find one of the other fifty threads dedicated to that.

I will say though for those who only consume leftoid MSM corporate media, who's been spoon-fed nothing but a steady stream of nonsense about fascism, white supremacy, patriarchy, misogyny, Russian disinformation, threat to democracy and such,  I can understand your reason for concern. You've been lied to constantly and whipped into a frenzy for political purposes. All I can say is that your worries are unfounded and absurd.

Then again, I don't like you very much and since people like you are responsible for everything bad in the country,  IMO you richly deserve to suffer from anxiety as penance for being insufferable dillholes and causing so many problems. 

[thegeneral 2,458]

6 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You want details on this 2 days after the election?

I suppose an outline would be appropriate at the least. This was a major campaign issue.

These are the type of things this thread is for, right?  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,077]

9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The legitimate concern is how is this going to be accomplished. Now that we will try to do this specifics need to be laid out. Has that been done?

Yeah. Joe Biden laid out a blueprint on day one. You forget about all that? 

[thegeneral 2,458]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. Joe Biden laid out a blueprint on day one. You forget about all that? 

Attention asssholes…if you don’t know the answer you can not reply. 

Let’s start again. I find the idea of deporting tens of millions of people to be problematic. I have not heard a plan on how to accomplish this or how it will proceed. I could easily have missed it or they are working on it. If the latter is the case this will be an ongoing conversation.

[Horseman 1,983]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I suppose an outline would be appropriate at the least. This was a major campaign issue.

These are the type of things this thread is for, right?  

No.   It's for you to list out what you're concerned about and tell us why it keeps you up at night.

But, here you go anyway hijack dumbasss: https://rncplatform.donaldjtrump.com/?_gl=1*q1jimb*_gcl_au*MTE1MTg1MzkxNy4xNzMwNDE4NjA0&_ga=2.134549365.568529527.1731026986-96984382.1730418604

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CHAPTER TWO: SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION Our Commitment: Republicans offer an aggressive plan to stop the open-border policies that have opened the floodgates to a tidal wave of illegal Aliens, deadly drugs, and Migrant Crime. We will end the Invasion at the Southern Border, restore Law and Order, protect American Sovereignty, and deliver a Safe and Prosperous Future for all Americans.

1. Secure the Border Republicans will restore every Border Policy of the Trump administration and halt all releases of Illegal Aliens into the interior. We will complete the Border Wall, shift massive portions of Federal Law Enforcement to Immigration Enforcement, and use advanced technology to monitor and secure the Border. We will use all resources needed to stop the Invasion— including moving thousands of Troops currently stationed overseas to our own Southern Border. We will deploy the U.S. Navy to impose a full Fentanyl Blockade on the waters of our Region—boarding and inspecting ships to look for fentanyl and fentanyl precursors. Before we defend the Borders of Foreign Countries, we must first secure the Border of our Country.

2. Enforce Immigration Laws Republicans will strengthen ICE, increase penalties for illegal entry and overstaying Visas, and reinstate “Remain in Mexico” and other Policies that helped reduce Illegal Immigration by historic lows in President Trump’s first term. We will also invoke the Alien Enemies Act to remove all known or suspected gang members, drug dealers, or cartel members from the United States, ending the scourge of Illegal Alien gang violence once and for all. We will bring back the Travel Ban, and use Title 42 to end the child trafficking crisis by returning all trafficked children to their families in their Home Countries immediately.

3. Begin Largest Deportation Program in American History President Trump and Republicans will reverse the Democrats’ destructive Open Borders Policies that have allowed criminal gangs and Illegal Aliens from around the World to roam the United States without consequences. The Republican Party is committed to sending Illegal Aliens back home and removing those who have violated our Laws.

4. Strict Vetting Republicans will use existing Federal Law to keep foreign Christian-hating Communists, Marxists, and Socialists out of America. Those who join our Country must love our Country. We will use extreme vetting to ensure that jihadists and jihadist sympathizers are not admitted.

5. Stop Sanctuary Cities Republicans will cut federal Funding to sanctuary jurisdictions that release dangerous Illegal Alien criminals onto our streets, rather than handing them over to ICE. We will require local cooperation with Federal Immigration Enforcement.

6. Ensure Our Legal Immigration System Puts American Workers First Republicans will prioritize Merit-based immigration, ensuring those admitted to our Country contribute positively to our Society and Economy, and never become a drain on Public Resources. We will end Chain Migration, and put American Workers first!

 

 

[The Real timschochet 5,170]

Thanks @jerryskids. The tariffs will have an immediate negative impact on me personally as I am involved in a few retail companies that import goods from Turkey and the Middle East. We receive shipments in containers that arrive in the port of Long Beach and the taxes are already considerable. Frankly we can not afford a 20% hike without losing money. These are gift items so we can’t raise prices without killing the business. 
 

And we’re small fry: a couple of stores in southern Cali. There are billions of dollars of products that arrive at Long Beach and San Pedro every week. I can’t fathom the impact that this will have. Would it be temporary? Lasting a few months? A year or longer? Who knows? It doesn’t make any sense to me, never did. 

[thegeneral 2,458]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

No.   It's for you to list out what you're concerned about and tell us why it keeps you up at night.

But, here you go anyway hijack dumbasss: https://rncplatform.donaldjtrump.com/?_gl=1*q1jimb*_gcl_au*MTE1MTg1MzkxNy4xNzMwNDE4NjA0&_ga=2.134549365.568529527.1731026986-96984382.1730418604

 

Not much of this keeps me up at night. It’s “concerns for a Trump Presidency”.

Thank you for the link though I will take a look.

[League Champion 1,790]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It’s “concerns for a Trump Presidency”.

You just witnessed the most embarrassing Presidency in the History of this Country but you're concerned about Trump?  

Have you not learned anything over the past few days? 

[thegeneral 2,458]

9 minutes ago, League Champion said:

You just witnessed the most embarrassing Presidency in the History of this Country but you're concerned about Trump?  

Have you not learned anything over the past few days? 

I suggest a thread of “things that concern you about a Biden presidency” and discuss those there. Hurry tho!

[Horseman 1,983]

50 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'd like to have a serious discussion on legitimate concerns regarding the upcoming Trump presidency.  I've got some friends and family who aren't handling this well, much like the 4B and other sky screamers on Tik Tok and the MSDNC.

I would like to have a rational discussion with them, and with you.  Doing so IMO involves acknowledging legitimate concerns they may have.

To that end, please state on an actual concern that the Left might have which is potentially valid.  I'd like to acknowledge these in such discussions. 

Here, I'll start, for @The Real timschochet 's benefit: If Trump institutes the tariffs in the way he's described, it would likely cause a significant increase in prices for a lot of everyday goods.  I've argued that this is part of his "art of the deal" to get China to negotiate, but that is my opinion only, so this is a valid concern.

I don't want to limit discussion, but I'll say right now that "he said he'd be a dictator on day one" is dumb and not going to make the cut, since this is childish and has been debunked.

I'll collect rational concerns in the following post.

TIA!

I'll give it a go because it's pretty clear our band of board lefties are struggling with what you're even asking for, even if they were able to articulate.  Heavy emphasis on "potentially" though because as I read his policy, and nothing else, I don't see much a rational human could be concerned about.

#1 - Trump recently came out with a policy to END Gender Affirming Care.  He's going to cut all funding, make it illegal, and set up a victims fund to sue doctors.  He wants to pass a bill that defines only two genders MALE and FEMALE assigned at birth!!!

Why it's a concern:

- my kids have gender dysphoria and I'm afraid they won't be able to be the sex they truly are that makes them happy! 

- only having two genders immediately discriminates against all my friends that are BTQRZ.

- I fear that this will empower hatred towards the alphabet community.

[Horseman 1,983]

@thegeneral

There I provided you a road map.  Just copy and paste and insert yours.  You're welcome.

[Fireballer 2,585]

I am concerned about “rights” being taken away.  I’ve been told that I’ve voted against the “rights” of some friends and family members.  

[jonmx 2,118]

I am very concerned Trump would illegal tap his opponents like Obama did to Trump.

I am very concerned Trump will hire foreign agents to make false reports to the FBI so they can imprach hom under false pretense, like Hillary to Trump.

I am afraid Trump will strong arm his oppents legal counsel to force them to breech attorney-client counsel, like the Biden administration did to Trump.

I am afraid Trump will sick the FBI on opposition media and raid their homes to chill their speech, like what the Biden administration did to independant media sources.  

I am afraid Trump will try to get his opponents off the ballot like Democrats across the country, like the De.ocrats did to Trump. 

I am afraid the Trump administration which threaten to charge with Terrorism people who speak up against his policies, like Merrick Garland did to parents.  

I am afraid that Trump will have thousands of federal employees scour social media looking for anti-Trump posts on social media tonhave censored, like happened for years against millions of conservatives.  

I am focking sick of you bootlicking bastards who defended all these actual practices and dozens other aggrievious abuses power while you feign outrage over made-up crap you project onto Trump.   

[The Real timschochet 5,170]

Second concern: I want to know how this mass deportation is going to work. I do not want people who look like they might not be citizens (whatever that looks like) harassed by police and asked for papers. I do not want people encouraged to report on their neighbors, or employers asked to turn in to the police or ICE the names of people they know or suspect to be undocumented. I see this whole thing as being really ugly and scary. 

[thegeneral 2,458]

6 minutes ago, Horseman said:

@thegeneral

There I provided you a road map.  Just copy and paste and insert yours.  You're welcome.

From your link this step:

3. Begin Largest Deportation Program in American History President Trump and Republicans will reverse the Democrats’ destructive Open Borders Policies that have allowed criminal gangs and Illegal Aliens from around the World to roam the United States without consequences. The Republican Party is committed to sending Illegal Aliens back home and removing those who have violated our Laws

If we are kicking out people caught committing crimes, sure. If we are talking squads actively collecting people interspersed in our society I don’t see this being feasible. There is no details here so I don’t know what the plan is.

[jerryskids 6,135]

Most of you folks are not following the spirit of my intention in this thread.  @thegeneral provided a few good examples:

- Mass deportation

- Elon's streamlining of government (I have concerns here as well)

and there were one or two others.

I put the tag on the thread because I'm not looking for the typical partisan stuff like 

or any other number of posts from folks in this thread that, frankly, disappointed me.

I would like to use this victory as an opportunity to get to a bipartisan vision forward for this county.   

[Mike Hunt 171]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

I’m reserving judgment to see what he actually does. Based on his first term and who he is as a person I expect chaos and vitriol but I hope I’m proven wrong. Hopefully he goes way lighter on the tariffs then threatened hopefully it works. Hopefully he doesn’t give away fock tons of tax cuts to billionaires who certainly don’t need even more tax cuts. Hopefully we have a real election in four years and Vance or whomever gives way if they lose. I don’t know, I don’t see the point in screaming and crying about every little thing but I’d be lying if I said I was optimistic for the Trump Administration Pt 2

There will be vitriol for sure.  When you have Keith Olberman and Dan Rather already saying "Resist..fight the power" Then I see some friends on FB having total meltdowns like children, and these are educated adults.  Others who are older saying "Trump us going to cut out SS and medicare..we are all screwed" That is not happening.

I have no idea what is going to happen.  Hopefully things go somewhat smooth.  We know the border will be tightened and the BP getting full support now to do their jobs.  

I really hope the media like CNN and MSNBC, and the late night people like Kimmel and Colbert don`t focus every minute of their shows on Trump like before.

[jbycho 171]

I have no concerns other than the democratic backlash to him soundly defeating an unworthy black woman for the presidency of the US. 

[Horseman 1,983]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

From your link this step:

3. Begin Largest Deportation Program in American History President Trump and Republicans will reverse the Democrats’ destructive Open Borders Policies that have allowed criminal gangs and Illegal Aliens from around the World to roam the United States without consequences. The Republican Party is committed to sending Illegal Aliens back home and removing those who have violated our Laws

If we are kicking out people caught committing crimes, sure. If we are talking squads actively collecting people interspersed in our society I don’t see this being feasible. There is no details here so I don’t know what the plan is.

https://www.sandiegocharterbuscompany.com/

[jbycho 171]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Most of you folks are not following the spirit of my intention in this thread.  @thegeneral provided a few good examples:

- Mass deportation

- Elon's streamlining of government (I have concerns here as well)

and there were one or two others.

I put the tag on the thread because I'm not looking for the typical partisan stuff like 

or any other number of posts from folks in this thread that, frankly, disappointed me.

I would like to use this victory as an opportunity to get to a bipartisan vision forward for this county.   

I think you are assuming everyone has concerns to voice. 

[jonmx 2,118]

22 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I'll give it a go because it's pretty clear our band of board lefties are struggling with what you're even asking for, even if they were able to articulate.  Heavy emphasis on "potentially" though because as I read his policy, and nothing else, I don't see much a rational human could be concerned about.

#1 - Trump recently came out with a policy to END Gender Affirming Care.  He's going to cut all funding, make it illegal, and set up a victims fund to sue doctors.  He wants to pass a bill that defines only two genders MALE and FEMALE assigned at birth!!!

Why it's a concern:

- my kids have gender dysphoria and I'm afraid they won't be able to be the sex they truly are that makes them happy! 

- only having two genders immediately discriminates against all my friends that are BTQRZ.

- I fear that this will empower hatred towards the alphabet community.

Your kids certainly do not have gender dysphoria.  Actual gender dysphoria is extremely rare.  What your kids have is a social contagion.  Actual diagnosised gender dysphoria is about 1% of today's cases.  This self-diagnosised peer-pressure cuckold parent accepted non-sense is pure evil and is destroying the future of hundreds of thousands of children.  European countries who have real science which investigated (instead of activist freaks) this nonsense are rejecting it in mass as the gender science is purely fraudlant.   It is horrible for the small fraction of kids who actually are sick, but for the 99 percent of other....thank God someone is going to stop this disgusting movement to castrate children. 

[Strike 4,732]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Most of you folks are not following the spirit of my intention in this thread.  @thegeneral provided a few good examples:

- Mass deportation

- Elon's streamlining of government (I have concerns here as well)

and there were one or two others.

I put the tag on the thread because I'm not looking for the typical partisan stuff like 

or any other number of posts from folks in this thread that, frankly, disappointed me.

I would like to use this victory as an opportunity to get to a bipartisan vision forward for this county.   

Sorry Jerry but what you're looking for is futile.   And I answered your question.  I'm concerned about having too much money.

[Horseman 1,983]

2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 Others who are older saying "Trump is going to cut out SS and medicare..we are all screwed" That is not happening.

This one is the worst.

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CHAPTER SIX: PROTECT SENIORS Our Commitment: President Trump has made absolutely clear that he will not cut one penny from Medicare or Social Security. American Citizens work hard their whole lives, contributing to Social Security and Medicare. These programs are promises to our Seniors, ensuring they can live their golden years with dignity. Republicans will protect these vital programs and ensure Economic Stability. We will work with our Great Seniors, in order to allow them to be active and healthy. We commit to safeguarding the future for our Seniors and all American families.

1. Protect Social Security Social Security is a lifeline for millions of Retirees, yet corrupt politicians have robbed Social Security to fund their pet projects. Republicans will restore Economic Stability to ensure the long-term sustainability of Social Security.

2. Strengthen Medicare Republicans will protect Medicare’s finances from being financially crushed by the Democrat plan to add tens of millions of new illegal immigrants to the rolls of Medicare. We vow to strengthen Medicare for future generations.

3. Support Active and Healthy Living Republicans will support increased focus on Chronic Disease prevention and management, Long-Term Care, and Benefit flexibility. We will expand access to Primary Care and support Policies that help Seniors remain in their homes and maintain Financial Security.

4. Protect Care at Home for the Elderly Republicans will shift resources back to at-home Senior Care, overturn disincentives that lead to Care Worker shortages, and support unpaid Family Caregivers through Tax Credits and reduced red tape.

5. Protect Economic Foundations for Supporting Seniors Republicans will tackle Inflation, unleash American Energy, restore Economic Growth, and secure our Borders to preserve Social Security and Medicare funding for the next Generation and beyond. We will ensure these programs remain solvent long into the future by reversing harmful Democrat policies and unleashing a new Economic Boom.

 

 

[The Real timschochet 5,170]

The whole resist thing isn’t going to be real UNLESS Trump really goes through with the mass deportation deal and tries to send authorities to round up millions of people. If that actually happens (which I still kinda doubt) then we will see massive unrest, violence. And it will be really really ugly. But somehow I still can’t see it because the effects on the economy will be so detrimental. 
 

With the tariffs I hope Trump gets talked out of them.  But if he enacts them then my main hope the outcry from the public is so massive that they are quickly retracted. 

[shadrap 163]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Second concern: I want to know how this mass deportation is going to work. I do not want people who look like they might not be citizens (whatever that looks like) harassed by police and asked for papers. I do not want people encouraged to report on their neighbors, or employers asked to turn in to the police or ICE the names of people they know or suspect to be undocumented. I see this whole thing as being really ugly and scary. 

this will not be Poland in 1939 even though MSNBC said it will be.  I am concerned with the tariffs although as bad as you spouted off on Trump's tariffs in 2018 I find it remarkable that Biden, et al did not do a thing with them.  Why is that?   Maybe they worked?  if we are presently getting hosed on trade, which apparently we are, then let's try something.