Democrats and the Case of Mistaken Identity Politics

[Sean Mooney 2,048]

Figured this would get some play here (and honestly didn't see if it did or not already. It may be in one of the 4000 threads seafoam starts that no one cares about). But Maureen Dowd took Democrats to task in the New York Times over the weekend in this op-ed. I posted some highlights below:

 

https://archive.ph/WBxGx

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One thing that makes Democrats great is that they unabashedly support groups that have suffered from inequality. But they have to begin avoiding extreme policies that alienate many Americans who would otherwise be drawn to the party.

Democrats learned the hard way in this election that mothers care both about abortion rights and having their daughters compete fairly and safely on the playing field.

 

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A revealing chart that ran in The Financial Times showed that white progressives hold views far to the left of the minorities they champion. White progressives think at higher rates than Hispanic and Black Americans that “racism is built into our society.” Many more Black and Hispanic Americans surveyed, compared with white progressives, responded that “America is the greatest country in the world.”

The Trump campaign’s most successful ad showed Kamala favoring tax-funded gender surgery for prisoners. Bill Clinton warned in vain that she should rebut it.

 

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James Carville gave Kamala credit for not leaning into her gender and ethnicity. But he said the party had become enamored of “identitarianism” — a word he uses because he won’t say “woke” — radiating the repellent idea that “identity is more important than humanity.”

“We could never wash off the stench of it,” he (Carville) said, calling “defund the police” “the three stupidest words in the English language.”

“It’s like when you get smoke on your clothes and you have to wash them again and again. Now people are running away from it like the devil runs away from holy water.”

 

 

As I said the other day- the best thing that can come out of this is that Democrats look at their own internal policies and figure out once again how they can be a driving force for blue collar America so we have two functional parties pitching ideas. I- along with many- may not fully love Trump's ideas- but the GOP has a semblance of a plan to rally behind. 

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How about if they care about the country they’re representing.   

Lamentations 3:25.  The Lord is good unto them that wait for Him, to the soul that seek Him.  Indeed Amen Thanks 

[MDC 7,860]

The Kamala “they/them” ad ran nonstop in PA leading up to the election, and it was a killer.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

That’s why they didn’t want to talk about the tranny issue , big loser at the polls. Like I said 50 times. 

[Sean Mooney 2,048]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

The Kamala “they/them” ad ran nonstop in PA leading up to the election, and it was a killer.

Oh 100%. When that ad started running I thought "That's a good tagline." Then it ran over and over and over....

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Maureen Dowd!!!!  ROFLMAO

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2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Oh 100%. When that ad started running I thought "That's a good tagline." Then it ran over and over and over....

Yep. Notably the podcasters commenting on it at the end of the commercial were black.

I think the Dems can offer sane support for trans people without backing biological men in women’s sports, gender transitioning for minors,  surgery for inmates etc.

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16 minutes ago, MDC said:

Yep. Notably the podcasters commenting on it at the end of the commercial were black.

I think the Dems can offer sane support for trans people without backing biological men in women’s sports, gender transitioning for minors,  surgery for inmates etc.

No they can’t. 

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49 minutes ago, MDC said:

I think the Dems can offer sane support for trans people without backing biological men in women’s sports, gender transitioning for minors,  surgery for inmates etc.

So you're saying they should treat the subject just like Republican's?

[Patented Phil 1,469]

Leftist identity politics is the most toxic political ideology in American history, behind slavery of course.  It divided the nation and imputed evil intentions on people who never had any.  Dems deserve the asss-kicking they got for polluting our culture with it.  Hopefully they finally learned their lesson, and their nonsense will be discarded into the trash heap of history where it belongs.

[MDC 7,860]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

So you're saying they should treat the subject just like Republican's?

Minus the hysterical transphobia, yes. 

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7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Minus the hysterical transphobia, yes. 

LOL, yeah, hysterical transphobia. 

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48 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

LOL, yeah, hysterical transphobia. 

Omg you called them boys in girls sports! You hysterical transphobic nazi! 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

You think tampons in the boys room is ridiculous! You probably want to hurt any lgbtq you come across! 

[TBayXXXVII 2,660]

36 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Omg you called them boys in girls sports! You hysterical transphobic nazi! 

Yeah, pretty much.  Calling it out as a problem... having that ignored, then calling it out again is now called hysterical transphobic.  Not surprising.

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3 hours ago, MDC said:

Minus the hysterical transphobia, yes. 

Ok, we all see you are very sensitive to tranny talk. It's in every thread. What is your relationship with the trannies in your family and friend group that you love so much? Or maybe you are a tranny and are offended? I mean, you sure sound like one at this point. 

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25 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Ok, we all see you are very sensitive to tranny talk. It's in every thread. What is your relationship with the trannies in your family and friend group that you love so much? Or maybe you are a tranny and are offended? I mean, you sure sound like one at this point. 

Good one, Peefoam.

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5 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Oh 100%. When that ad started running I thought "That's a good tagline." Then it ran over and over and over....

I’ve never seen that one 

[jbycho 756]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Good one, Peefoam.

Your pee comments are disgusting. Please stop. 

 

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This is what the left fails to realize, and this is a big one. There is no inequality today. Absolutely zero. They have nothing to run on. People with common sense who put in the time and energy to build their lives up don't want to throw a pity party for anyone, and they shouldn't.

Teaching anyone that they are part of the repressed group or that life isn't fair enough to them will make that groups situation even worse. Thinking like a victim will create more victims. If we taught these groups to sit down and explore spirituality and the true nature of reality, it would actually strengthen them. Identity politics is poison to this country.

[Fnord 2,501]

4 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Leftist identity politics is the most toxic political ideology in American history, behind slavery of course.  It divided the nation and imputed evil intentions on people who never had any.  Dems deserve the asss-kicking they got for polluting our culture with it.  Hopefully they finally learned their lesson, and their nonsense will be discarded into the trash heap of history where it belongs.

You are doing the exact same thing as the bolded in this post, and many others. You have said, and I quote, "liberals should be put down like rabid dogs." I have given you several opportunities to walk that back and you have not. I can only infer that you are a much more hateful person than those on the left that you impugn. Not to mention a gigantic hypocrite.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

You are doing the exact same thing as the bolded in this post, and many others. You have said, and I quote, "liberals should be put down like rabid dogs." I have given you several opportunities to walk that back and you have not. I can only infer that you are a much more hateful person than those on the left that you impugn. Not to mention a gigantic hypocrite.

I draw a distinction between Leftists and Liberals.  And yes, I don’t hide my disdain for Leftists.

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7 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Leftist identity politics is the most toxic political ideology in American history, behind slavery of course.  It divided the nation and imputed evil intentions on people who never had any.  Dems deserve the asss-kicking they got for polluting our culture with it.  Hopefully they finally learned their lesson, and their nonsense will be discarded into the trash heap of history where it belongs.

nope, they won't.  Lot of msnbc types calling Trump voters racist right now. it's their go to card. every-----fricking ------- ----------time.   it will never end.  

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The “they/them” ad was a killer, but our board centrists were too smart to fall for that!

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Meanwhile this is the ally of the board libs

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1855998329253147012?s=19

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Since this point was something many on the right were espousing ,while being vilified for bothering to speak honestly, I submit that we are not just arriving to this fact.   Welcome to the party though, reality and honesty has a liberating element which I suggest you will enjoy.

[Sean Mooney 2,048]

13 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

I draw a distinction between Leftists and Liberals.  

What do you see as the distinction between the two. 

[Fnord 2,501]

16 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

I draw a distinction between Leftists and Liberals.  And yes, I don’t hide my disdain for Leftists.

No, you don't. You use the word liberal, not leftist. And you're still a hypocrite, calling people out for the same bullshit that you participate in, much like @jonmx. 

Find some intellectual honesty and don't be an extremist douchenozzle.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

59 minutes ago, Fnord said:

No, you don't. You use the word liberal, not leftist. And you're still a hypocrite, calling people out for the same bullshit that you participate in, much like @jonmx. 

Find some intellectual honesty and don't be an extremist douchenozzle.

Wrong.  As usual.  I call out Leftists because I actually have respect for classical Liberalism, and what the Left is doing today in America isn’t close to that.  Let me be clear.  The people I despise are people like you, Rusty, and SquidTard.  You are all worthless pieces of shitt and I view you all as threats to the country.  Clear now, assshole?

[Fnord 2,501]

32 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Wrong.  As usual.  I call out Leftists because I actually have respect for classical Liberalism, and what the Left is doing today in America isn’t close to that.  Let me be clear.  The people I despise are people like you, Rusty, and SquidTard.  You are all worthless pieces of shitt and I view you all as threats to the country.  Clear now, assshole?

I'm not a leftist. If you think that's the case, then you're exactly what you present yourself as: an ignorant, brainwashed dupe. This thread is the first time you've made these distinctions. I have years of your posting history supporting my stance that you're completely full of shlt and a hateful pig.

Keep in mind I'm calling YOU a hateful pig, nobody else. Not over political ideology, but due to overwhelming evidence of you lacking self awareness and basic concepts of human respect and decency. 

Is that clear to YOU, little piggy?

[Patented Phil 1,469]

26 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I'm not a leftist. If you think that's the case, then you're exactly what you present yourself as: an ignorant, brainwashed dupe. This thread is the first time you've made these distinctions. I have years of your posting history supporting my stance that you're completely full of shlt and a hateful pig.

Keep in mind I'm calling YOU a hateful pig, nobody else. Not over political ideology, but due to overwhelming evidence of you lacking self awareness and basic concepts of human respect and decency. 

Is that clear to YOU, little piggy?

Look at the little Leftist puke pulling the i-toughguy act.  I’d snap you like a twig. 

[Fnord 2,501]

5 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Look at the little Leftist puke pulling the i-toughguy act.  I’d snap you like a twig. 

...and here you go again. Call me out for being the "i-toughguy (sic)" right before pulling your own i-tough guy act.

You just prove me correct by continuing to act like the ignorant, brainwashed dupe you are. Notice I'm not threatening you despite your little tantrum; only calling you names after you insulted me. Have a nice day. Pig.

[jonmx 2,460]

1 hour ago, Patented Phil said:

Wrong.  As usual.  I call out Leftists because I actually have respect for classical Liberalism, and what the Left is doing today in America isn’t close to that.  Let me be clear.  The people I despise are people like you, Rusty, and SquidTard.  You are all worthless pieces of shitt and I view you all as threats to the country.  Clear now, assshole?

 Nothing even remotely liberal about today's Democrats.   Their leadership is all out authoritatians and their supporters bow down to all their craziness.  

 

[jonmx 2,460]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

No, you don't. You use the word liberal, not leftist. And you're still a hypocrite, calling people out for the same bullshit that you participate in, much like @jonmx. 

Find some intellectual honesty and don't be an extremist douchenozzle.

Intellectual honesty?  The Democrats have crapped all over the Constitution and Democracy for the past decade all under the guise of 'saving' it. 

[Fnord 2,501]

5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Intellectual honesty?  The Democrats have crapped all over the Constitution and Democracy for the past decade all under the guise of 'saving' it. 

Yes, intellectual honesty:

Intellectual honesty is the practice of being honest when acquiring, analyzing, and sharing ideas. It's an unbiased, nonpartisan approach to problem-solving that involves being willing to state the truth, even when it goes against one's own beliefs or politics

Those with it do not make absurd claims like you and @Patented Phil regularly do, treating huge numbers of people as being monolithic in thought, word, and deed.

We can revisit your statement above in a couple of years and see how well your preferred party is preserving the Constitution. No doubt you'll defend whatever they do, since intellectual honesty ain't exactly a tool in your box, either.

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1 hour ago, Patented Phil said:

Look at the little Leftist puke pulling the i-toughguy act.  I’d snap you like a twig. 

Didn't you know fnretard is actually a Conservative?  Yeah, y'know, like all those other "conservatives" who defend leftists, leftist policy and leftist actions all day long while railing on everything conservative 24/7. 

I'm not sure what's more pathetic - faking being a conservative or the fact that they're too cowardly to admit they are liberals/leftists.

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32 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Didn't you know fnretard is actually a Conservative?  Yeah, y'know, like all those other "conservatives" who defend leftists, leftist policy and leftist actions all day long while railing on everything conservative 24/7. 

I'm not sure what's more pathetic - faking being a conservative or the fact that they're too cowardly to admit they are liberals/leftists.

Nailed it, these clowns have zero shame.

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35 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Didn't you know fnretard is actually a Conservative?  Yeah, y'know, like all those other "conservatives" who defend leftists, leftist policy and leftist actions all day long while railing on everything conservative 24/7. 

I'm not sure what's more pathetic - faking being a conservative or the fact that they're too cowardly to admit they are liberals/leftists.

Cowards like Hackass, Mooney and MDC

[Fnord 2,501]

24 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Didn't you know fnretard is actually a Conservative? 

No, and never claimed to be. 

For like the thousandth time: I am a registered independent that may have been a Democrat due to ideology if I didn't loathe the party. My loathing for them now is stronger than ever because of their arrogance and elitism.

I staunchly support the constitution, 1A and 2A. You won't find me in here talking about gun control laws, or ever being in favor of mandated censorship of any kind. I strongly defend personal freedom and the right to make decisions about your own body, which is why I support the right to choose. Same way I support legalization of most drugs and strongly disagree with government-mandated C-19 vaccination, but have no problem with employers doing it, since they are private organizations that can make their own rules.

I think that government should be smaller and more efficient, and that our national debt is a ticking time bomb. I would probably support a Republican if I thought they were serious about the deficit, but in my lifetime the only POTUS that ever addressed it was Clinton. I never voted for POTUS in my life until 2020, always leaving it blank because I don't vote for the lesser of two evils, until Trump came along. I've still never voted for a POTUS because I supported them, only because I felt compelled to vote against Trump. You don't see me in these threads defending Biden or Harris, unless in direct comparison with Trump.

Just because I don't check your superficial boxes, you label me. Mostly, I don't care what anyone thinks or says. But when someone earnestly tells a blatant falsehood about me, I will respond. Make all the jokes and insults you want, but don't presume to tell me what I am or what I think. I won't do it to you, either. HTH.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Remember when that guy told a joke about Puerto Ricans and libtards here thought it would get them Pennsylvania ? lol. Good times.