Why did Donald Trump win

[Horseman 2,458]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I didn’t ignore it. I read everyone of your posts. I don’t always respond because sometimes you write things so stupid that I feel bad for you and would prefer not to highlight your idiocy. That was such an instance. 

I will repeat my earlier argument that sometimes in rare instances it’s justifiable to disobey laws if those laws are clearly immoral. This principle was established by the United States at the Nuremberg Trials when it was determined that military officers, civil servants and private citizens had a moral duty to refuse to obey immoral laws or instructions. This principle does not apply to most instances and it certainly doesn’t apply to corrupt Donald Trump. So no I’m not a hypocrite and I will continue to call Trump a lawbreaker and continue to call you a supporter of lawbreaking. Suck it right back. 

Biggest hypocrite on the forum. And a pathological liar and welcher. 

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Trump is being cucked out of the job he won by a guy from South Africa who is richer than him. Yikes.

[Mike Hunt 282]

44 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s the two problems  with your analysis: 

1. Democrats aren’t going to change. They’re still going to be liberal and still going to be woke. 

2. Democrats are going to win big in 2026, and win back the Presidency in 2028 or at the latest 2032. How will you explain it? 

 

You have no idea what will happen in future elections, none of us do.  Add in that you are wrong so often on many topics.  

Explain what?  How do you explain how they lost everything being liberal and woke?  I don`t think about if comes 4 years from now.

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If it should arise that Democrats return to a more centrist and sanity-driven set of policies I absolutely think it makes them more competitive.

If they do not, they will NOT win.  Its really that simple.  You cannot strap your wagon to the 20% side of every issue and expect to win.

All you and yours have to do is win back some of the independents, thats it, but insisting on the way you all have been behaving is not the path to that. 

What I am arguing is that Democrats could go even further left than they are now and still win. The key to this is not their specific ideology on any given issue but that they represent the alternative in a two party system. So long as that remains true (and it will for decades to come) Democrats will ALWAYS win and ALWAYS lose in a cycle. 

Now the question of whether Democrats have lost their edge in national elections is a different issues  Since 1992 Democrats have won the popular vote in 6 out of 8 national elections. I think it’s a little early yet to believe that 2024 represents a sea change. 

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6 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Biggest hypocrite on the forum. And a pathological liar and welcher. 

Damn you responded to me again. I remain gratified by your attention. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Trump won because the democrats have moved further and further left.  I usually leaned slightly left but now it feels the left is miles away from me.

[Strike 5,543]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s the two problems  with your analysis: 

1. Democrats aren’t going to change. They’re still going to be liberal and still going to be woke. 

2. Democrats are going to win big in 2026, and win back the Presidency in 2028 or at the latest 2032. How will you explain it? 

#1 may prevent #2 from happening.  HTH.

[Strike 5,543]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I didn’t ignore it. I read everyone of your posts. I don’t always respond because sometimes you write things so stupid that I feel bad for you and would prefer not to highlight your idiocy. That was such an instance. 

I will repeat my earlier argument that sometimes in rare instances it’s justifiable to disobey laws if those laws are clearly immoral. This principle was established by the United States at the Nuremberg Trials when it was determined that military officers, civil servants and private citizens had a moral duty to refuse to obey immoral laws or instructions. This principle does not apply to most instances and it certainly doesn’t apply to corrupt Donald Trump. So no I’m not a hypocrite and I will continue to call Trump a lawbreaker and continue to call you a supporter of lawbreaking. Suck it right back. 

I hope you realize that the argument "It's ok to break laws *I* don't like but you have to follow all the laws that *I* like" makes you an unserious poster. 

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5 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

You have no idea what will happen in future elections, none of us do.  Add in that you are wrong so often on many topics.  

Explain what?  How do you explain how they lost everything being liberal and woke?  I don`t think about if comes 4 years from now.

1. It’s an argument. I disagree with your argument. 
2. This forum is pretty heavily pro-Trump and pro-Maga. So as a woke guy I am often going to appear to be wrong in this forum. Doesn’t mean I am. In point of fact I’m usually right. 
3. Democrats lost because inflation was too high, the border is perceived as out of control, and this nation still has trouble accepting a woman in charge. In that order. 

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

#1 may prevent #2 from happening.  HTH.

It won’t. HTH

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

In point of fact I’m usually right. 

In your opinion you are usually right.

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

I hope you realize that the argument "It's ok to break laws *I* don't like but you have to follow all the laws that *I* like" makes you an unserious poster. 

I don’t make that argument and I used the Nuremberg trials to justify the argument I WAS making. I hope you realize that your response deliberately misapplying what I wrote makes you an unserious poster. 

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This thread is an even bigger MAGA circle jerk than normal. So much bullshit and lies from people that refuse to concede they might be wrong about anything...

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

In your opinion you are usually right.

It would be interesting to meet the person who says “in my opinion I’m usually wrong.” 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t make that argument and I used the Nuremberg trials to justify the argument I WAS making. I hope you realize that your response deliberately misapplying what I wrote makes you an unserious poster. 

No, I summarized your position perfectly.  That you don't like how it sounds when stripped to it's bare essence speaks to you, not me. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

It would be interesting to meet the person who says “in my opinion I’m usually wrong.” 

It's normal to have the opinion that you are usually right.  It is not normal to say it's a fact that you are normally right.

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It won’t. HTH

Says the guy who predicted HItlery, Biden, and Kamalatoe would all win, and welched on some of those losses in bets he made. 

[RLLD 4,230]

22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What I am arguing is that Democrats could go even further left than they are now and still win. The key to this is not their specific ideology on any given issue but that they represent the alternative in a two party system. So long as that remains true (and it will for decades to come) Democrats will ALWAYS win and ALWAYS lose in a cycle. 

Now the question of whether Democrats have lost their edge in national elections is a different issues  Since 1992 Democrats have won the popular vote in 6 out of 8 national elections. I think it’s a little early yet to believe that 2024 represents a sea change. 

I disagree.  It has been the extravagant catering to the radical left that has hurt Democrats the most.  It would be unwise to drift further, or stay as radical as you have become.  The fringes of each party should be little more than noise, and not allowed into legitimate conversations.

Its time to get back to sanity.

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7 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Everything Trump is doing he ran on.  Unlike bait and switch Biden who promised to be a Moderate and a unifier - then did the exact opposite.  It’s Biden’s voters who were duped - not Trump’s. I do not recall Trump running on taking over Gaza, or releasing EVERY J6er, including violent ones. Otherwise, yes, he's mostly done what he said he would do.

Anyone holding up Biden as failing at being a unifier is either FOS or doesn't understand modern politics and media. There is ZERO chance a Dem POTUS can ever be a unifier in a country in which the other party gets their information nearly exclusively from right wing sources that regularly lie and distort the truth, all the while claiming they are the only ones that can be trusted. The reverse is also true, of course. The only way this country will ever be unified again is through some kind of disaster. We had one recently in Covid. Your guy did everything he could to maintain division during that time. 

Debate his policies all you want.  Totally fair and appropriate.  I personally don’t like his heavy handed approach to tariffs, but the jury is still out on their effectiveness.  On immigration, he’s doing exactly what he said he’d do, what he ran on, what the American public supports, and what is written in law. No argument here.

As for DOGE, the wasteful spending being uncovered and eliminated is bordering on corruption.  Trump and Musk are blowing up the federal bureaucracy and exposing it as an illegitimate 4th branch of government, a Leftist dominated cesspool that most Americans never wanted or voted for.  It’s quite possible that this could wind up being Trump’s greatest legacy. Literally nobody, other than maybe Dem and Rep leadership, has a problem with identifying and eliminating wasteful spending. Mischaracterization of this is rampant, and patently untrue. The issue lies with the way in which he is doing it, as the legality is very much in question as to some of his actions. I and many others view this as a naked power grab, which has not been disproven in the slightest, at least not yet.

I get why you and the other Leftists hate it so much.  You love Big Government and cheap immigrant labor, and you are watching a flamethrower being taken to both.  Might want to just toast a few marshmallows because there is nothing you can do to stop it this time around. This is bullshit. Flay the government for all I care. But do it in a systematic, thoughtful way, not with a blowtorch. All that is going to do is create massive amounts of collateral damage.

 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

Simple.  He is the smoothest Mf’er on Planet Earth. Every dude would love to be him and every hot chick would love to have him.  Look at the people opposing him.  A who’s who of losers.  Throw in billionaire genius with unrivaled charisma and patriotism.  MAGA was the greatest branding and marketing campaign in American history.  It’s also its coolest club.  
 

TRUMP is the way. 

[Fnord 2,272]

5 hours ago, jonmx said:

They unknowingly are bootlickers for the deep state.  They love them some powerful centralized authorian power.  In the context of the authoritarian state they endlessly defend, their criticism of Musk and Trump are comical.  They seriously have zero clue the corrupt and evil forces they support.   They will forever remain in denial. 

- Not one of them cares people are being censored LIE

- Not one of them cares people they are robbing billions of taxpayers dollars LIE

- Not one of them cares that they implement programs which spy on average citizens LIE

- Not one of them cares people we have a government which targets people based on who they support MORE LIES

- Not one of them cares people are discriminated against based on race. YOU'RE ON A FOCKIN ROLL

They really don't give a fuk about American values.  All they care about is protecting the fascism of the deep state-corporate alliance which runs this country in secret. LYING SACK OF FILTH

I'm guessing this POS has me on ignore, which is fine by me. I'm not letting this garbage slide. 

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2 hours ago, BufordT said:

I didn't read through this so if this was already mentioned, I semi apologize.  All the dem's had to do was endorse a normal, heterosexual, preferably white, male candidate that can speak coherently and he easily beats Trump.  All the over analysis of why trump won or the dem's lost is just that, over analyzing. Trump barely beat two of the most annoying female candidate the dem's could've possible put out there.  He lost to a stuttering, over the hill, bike falling off of, stair falling down, lost on stage, half demented male.  

100% agreed. Dems fukked this up royally. Biden is at fault, DNC is HUGELY at fault, and some media is complicit as well. Nobody wanted Kamala to be POTUS. We just wanted Trump not to be.

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1 hour ago, Patented Phil said:

I really don’t give a shitt if you believe me or not.  It happened, and I’ve talked about in here before.

Here is all I’m willing to say on it.  I worked for a financial services company at the time, and for 3 years I had been trying to convince one of my client companies to purchase a financial product.  I quoted the product each and every year, but to no avail.  At 3:00 on 9/10 their agent called me saying that they wanted to do the deal - TODAY.  The deal would have resulted in a financial windfall for the company - anywhere from $10 to $20 million - due solely to what happened in NYC on 9/11.  It was a tricky transaction and involved the sign off of a third party.  Despite my best efforts I couldn’t get the deal consummated by close of business at 5:00.

I was working with about 4 other people on the transaction, and each one asked the same question, for which I never got a good answer - “Why do they need this TODAY?”

No way this was coincidence.  Not a chance in hell.  I reported it to the local FBI office and the guy I spoke with was VERY interested.  He said to save all my notes, call logs, and file documentation - and that someone would be reaching out to me shortly.  I never heard back from them.

Like I said, this was a very well connected, Jewish owned internet company.  They clearly had intell that something big was being planned in NYC.  They were either tipped off by Mossad or saw the online chatter themselves.  I don’t think they were in on it, but they definitely knew there was a highly credible, specific threat.

I have heard very similar stories to this one. Thanks for sharing. I used to fully believe 9/11 was an "inside" job, with members of the Bush admin being part of it. I do not believe that anymore, but I am not convinced that what we are told about that day is true. It is well known that there were people working at WTC told not to show up for work on 9/11, and it wasn't limited to a single company.

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6 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Simple.  He is the smoothest Mf’er on Planet Earth. Every dude would love to be him and every hot chick would love to have him.  Look at the people opposing him.  A who’s who of losers.  Throw in billionaire genius with unrivaled charisma and patriotism.  MAGA was the greatest branding and marketing campaign in American history.  It’s also its coolest club.  
 

TRUMP is the way. 

TRUTH IZ TRUTH!

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

100% agreed. Dems fukked this up royally. Biden is at fault, DNC is HUGELY at fault, and some media is complicit as well. Nobody wanted Kamala to be POTUS. We just wanted Trump not to be.

Feelings

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

2 hours ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Based upon what has come out in the last few months, Biden probably didn’t know or grasp the full impact of what was going on in his name.  That is also nothing short of treason.  

Did you see the interview with Mike Johnson? he was in a room with Biden, Kamala, and a few others. I think he asked them to leave, and then when he and Biden were alone, he asked him why he signed the bill (or whatever) to stop natural gas in the Gulf. Biden swore up and down he didn't sign that, he signed something else. Johnson had to TELL Biden what he signed. 

Dude had NO focking clue and probably hadn't been running the show for years. He would just sign whatever they put in front of him. 

I STILL can't believe they allowed him to go in front of cameras towards the end. 

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14 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I have heard very similar stories to this one. Thanks for sharing. I used to fully believe 9/11 was an "inside" job, with members of the Bush admin being part of it. I do not believe that anymore, but I am not convinced that what we are told about that day is true. It is well known that there were people working at WTC told not to show up for work on 9/11, and it wasn't limited to a single company.

I don't think the Bush admin was part of it, if it were an inside job. that's just my initial gut feeling. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Did you see the interview with Mike Johnson? he was in a room with Biden, Kamala, and a few others. I think he asked them to leave, and then when he and Biden were alone, he asked him why he signed the bill (or whatever) to stop natural gas in the Gulf. Biden swore up and down he didn't sign that, he signed something else. Johnson had to TELL Biden what he signed. 

Dude had NO focking clue and probably hadn't been running the show for years. He would just sign whatever they put in front of him. 

I STILL can't believe they allowed him to go in front of cameras towards the end. 

It was appalling what happened and yet these same people are complaining about unelected Elon Musk.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Effeminate cucks didn’t help 

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10 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Did you see the interview with Mike Johnson? he was in a room with Biden, Kamala, and a few others. I think he asked them to leave, and then when he and Biden were alone, he asked him why he signed the bill (or whatever) to stop natural gas in the Gulf. Biden swore up and down he didn't sign that, he signed something else. Johnson had to TELL Biden what he signed. 

Dude had NO focking clue and probably hadn't been running the show for years. He would just sign whatever they put in front of him. 

I STILL can't believe they allowed him to go in front of cameras towards the end. 

Biden insisted he didn’t sign executive order just weeks after doing so, Speaker Johnson reveals

 

President Biden had no clue whether or not he signed a critical executive order during a conversation last year with Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson,  who admitted he left the meeting fearing the nation is in  “serious trouble.”

An addled Biden insisted to the Louisiana lawmaker that he never issued the order to freeze new liquid natural gas export permits — even though he signed off on it less than a month earlier.

Johnson told the Free Press’ Bari Weiss he didn’t believe Biden was lying, but was left to believe the then-81-year-old leader “genuinely didn’t know what he had signed.”

The troubling encounter happened in the Oval Office in early 2024, when the two met to discuss the latest aid package for Ukraine.

Afterwards, Johnson asked Biden why he had inked an executive order pausing new permits for American liquid natural gas export to European allies — a crucial issue for his constituents in the Bayou State, which in 2023, handled 61% of the nation’s LNG exports, according to the US Energy Information Administration.

“Why would you do that? Cause you understand we just talked about Ukraine, you understand you are fueling Vladimir Putin’s war machine, because they gotta get their gas from him,” Johnson said he told Biden.

Biden was stunned, Johnson said.

“I didn’t do that,” the president said, according to Johnson.

“Sir, you paused it, I know. I have the export terminals in my state. I talked to those people in my state, I’ve talked to those people this morning, this is doing massive damage to our economy, national security,” Johnson said he told the commander-in-chief.

Biden continued to deny that he froze the exports — and then remembered he signed the executive order, which he said was simply to study the effects of the fuel. 

“I walked out of that meeting with fear and loathing because I thought, ‘We are in serious trouble—who is running the country?’” Johnson said.

“Like, I don’t know who put the paper in front of him, but he didn’t know,” he said.

The Wall Street Journal previously reported on Biden’s meeting with Johnson in late February, citing anonymous sources at the time. 

A bombshell December report revealed White House aides had been covering up the 82-year-old president’s mental decline since the very beginning of his term. 

 

In January 2021, staffers had already put into place plans to his in-person interactions. They also rearranged his daily schedules whenever Biden seemed tired or had made gaffes in public.  

Biden himself admitted in a USA Today interview he wasn’t sure if he would’ve had the “vigor” for another term had he won re-election, although he didn’t clarify what this meant about his current mental capacities.   

The lame duck president dropped out of the 2024 race following a disastrous debate performance against now-President-elect Donald Trump, where he gave garbled answers to questions, repeatedly froze, and even lost his train of thought. 

He dropped soon after and endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris, who was trounced by Trump in November’s presidential race. 

The White House didn’t respond to a request for comment. 

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38 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Did you see the interview with Mike Johnson? he was in a room with Biden, Kamala, and a few others. I think he asked them to leave, and then when he and Biden were alone, he asked him why he signed the bill (or whatever) to stop natural gas in the Gulf. Biden swore up and down he didn't sign that, he signed something else. Johnson had to TELL Biden what he signed. 

Dude had NO focking clue and probably hadn't been running the show for years. He would just sign whatever they put in front of him. 

I STILL can't believe they allowed him to go in front of cameras towards the end. 

Biden was not running the country for at least 2 years.  Even WH staffers said they limited Biden`s camera time as much as possible. They would not even let Biden do the live Superbowl interviews anymore.

Right now, Trump in 3 weeks has been more accessible than Biden was his last 2 years. In reality that probably hurts him. If Trump just hid like Biden, it would benefit him, but he never will.

 

 

 

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

I have it on good authority from the guy that sells me comforters that the voting machines were set to switch a percentage of Harris votes to Trump. He says any day now he's going to release the information and when he does the Supreme Court will no choice but to overturn the election and award it to Harris. 

 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. You don’t have firsthand knowledge that they knew anything about 9/11, which is what you wrote. You suspect they knew something, that’s all. Which is meaningless. 
2. You wrote “Jewish owned company.” I suspect that means that the ownership had a Jewish sounding surname. Unfortunately you wrote this in response to @Frozenbeernuts anti-Semitic screed accusing Israel of being behind 9/11. Very unfortunate for you because by doing so you appear to agree with, or at least accept the possibility of, his bigoted nonsense. But you’re welcome to repudiate that.  

Oh I completely renounce antisemitism.  You should know this based on my posting history. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

I have it on good authority from the guy that sells me comforters that the voting machines were set to switch a percentage of Harris votes to Trump. He says any day now he's going to release the information and when he does the Supreme Court will no choice but to overturn the election and award it to Harris. 

 

Fell flat man. Regroup. 

[Fnord 2,272]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Feelings

You're such a softy. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Just now, Fnord said:

You're such a softy. 

Nice!  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Trump won because the democrats have moved further and further left.  I usually leaned slightly left but now it feels the left is miles away from me.

exactly, and when Tulsi and RFK got on board it was a lock

[Patented Phil 1,469]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

 

The Gaza plan is ridiculous.  No argument there.  It’s disappointing because Trump lived through the Vietnam era and should know better.

As for DOGE and its frenetic approach, I understand the concern.  But how else do you take on a bloated, entrenched bureaucracy?  The traditional, measured approach hasn’t worked, that’s for sure.

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Just now, Patented Phil said:

The Gaza plan is ridiculous.  No argument there.  It’s disappointing because Trump lived through the Vietnam era should know better.

As for DOGE and its frenetic approach, I understand the concern.  But how else do you take on such a bloated, entrenched bureaucracy?  The traditional approach hasn’t worked, that’s for sure.

bury their head in the sand and scream trump, thats all they do with everything

[Fnord 2,272]

2 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

The Gaza plan is ridiculous.  No argument there.  It’s disappointing because Trump lived through the Vietnam era and should know better.

As for DOGE and its frenetic approach, I understand the concern.  But how else do you take on a bloated, entrenched bureaucracy?  The traditional, measured approach hasn’t worked, that’s for sure.

Good question for which I do not have the answer. I do not believe some of the numbers being thrown around, but legalities aside, I appreciate what DOGE appears to be doing. If Don can manage to cut a few hundred billion from federal expenditures without undue collateral damage I will be thrilled. Even better if he exposes individuals guilty of fraud/misappropriation of funds and prosecutes them.