Trump and Vance Own Ungrateful Femboy Zelensky

[Hardcore troubadour 14,920]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You mean the Smedley Butler who, despite his great service to this country, ended his life in support of fascism and an admirer of Adolf Hitler? That Smedley Butler? Sure OK

Nope, not that one.  Don’t know who that guy is.  The one I’m talking about was as anti fascist as they come. You should look up The Business Plot and his role in it. Also, he died in 1940. No connection to Hitler. Stay ignorant. You like it.  

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2 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Watch the whole meeting and not just the last two tense minutes of the back and forth.  It really puts it in perspective.  All Zelensky had to do the other day was show up, shake hands, say "thank you US for all your support", sign the Minerals deal (don't come if you are not planning on doing that), have lunch and that's that.  However Zelensky chose not to sign the deal then started lecturing (to the media) of what America IS NOT doing......love or hate Trump he's not going to sit there and take that nor should he. 

Here is one good clip for perspective.

https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1896219955403923812

 

I did watch the whole thing. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well gee I dunno HT. We used to give a crap when little countries were invaded by big ones. We used to care about atrocities committed by evil players around the world. We didn’t always get involved directly but we did condemn the bad guys when we could and helped out when we could. 
We were the greatest nation in human history. I use past tense here. We were the leaders of the free world. That meant something. The Marshall Plan, the Berlin Airlift. 
Now that’s all been abandoned. In a few weeks. And I gotta tell ya it makes me ashamed. Honestly. I think we’re spitting on the graves of men who died at Normandy and Iwo Jima. And at the memory of my great uncle who survived the Bataan Death March. I don’t think he survived for this. 
 

I have a new motto for the Democrats and ALL opponents of Donald Trump: Make America Great Again. 

Oh bullshitt.  We got involved in WWII because we HAD to.  We were attacked and our vital national interests were at stake.  All that Cold War nonsense (Berlin, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan) was to force imperialist Russia to respect the boundaries negotiated by the big three.  Because at that point in time that was in our vital national interest, or at least we thought so (the Domino Theory, which seemed reasonable at the time).  Here’s the important thing - we entered into all those conflicts because our Western European allies couldn’t handle it at the time by themselves.

It’s a new day, buckaroo.  We are almost 100 years removed from the World Wars.  It’s no longer a bipolar balance of power.  Europe is no longer incapable of defending itself.  The USA no longer has a postwar dividend to play with.  We're in debt up to our eyeballs and we can’t afford to keep paying for everyone else’s defense.  Trump knows this.  The smartest scholars in political science have been saying this for about 20 years now.  It is you and your warmongering party that are living in the past.

America First.  It’s not that hard to understand.  It’s also moral.  There is nothing more sacrosanct than tending to your own people first.

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

11 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Oh bullshitt.  We got involved in WWII because we HAD to.  We were attacked and our vital national interests were at stake.  All that Cold War nonsense (Berlin, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan) was to force imperialist Russia to respect the boundaries negotiated by the big three.  Because at that point in time that was in our vital national interest, or at least we thought so (the Domino Theory, which seemed reasonable at the time).  Here’s the important thing - we entered into all those conflicts because our Western European allies couldn’t handle it at the time by themselves.

It’s a new day, buckaroo.  We are almost 100 years removed from the World Wars.  It’s no longer a bipolar balance of power.  Europe is no longer incapable of defending itself.  The USA no longer has a postwar dividend to play with.  We're in debt up to our eyeballs and we can’t afford to keep paying for everyone else’s defense.  Trump knows this.  The smartest scholars in political science have been saying this for about 20 years now.  It is you and your warmongering party that are living in the past.

America First.  It’s not that hard to understand.  It’s also moral.  There is nothing more sacrosanct than tending to your own people first.

We fundamentally disagree. I respect your position and the way you eloquently stated it much more than I do some of the other people here. But I still believe you’re wrong in just about every way. 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

We fundamentally disagree. I respect your position and the way you eloquently stated it much more than I do some of the other people here. But I still believe you’re wrong in just about every way. 

 

Your track record of being right is not the best.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

Zelensky would be better off appealing to Europe or even China

Europe yes, he'd be an idiot to be aligned with China who's Putin's closest ally. He could kiss Ukraine goodbye if that happens. 

Bottom line, only the United States can offer Zelensky what he needs to deal with Russia. We make the Fighter Jets, the missiles, the missile deployment systems and provide the technology. 

Europe can't provide that. Are you starting to figure it out now? That's why Trump told him to go F himself. 

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3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Europe yes, he'd be an idiot to be aligned with China who's Putin's closest ally. He could kiss Ukraine goodbye if that happens. 

Bottom line, only the United States can offer Zelensky what he needs to deal with Russia. We make the Fighter Jets, the missiles, the missile deployment systems and provide the technology. 

Europe can't provide that. Are you starting to figure it out now? That's why Trump told him to go F himself. 

If I were Zelensky I’d give up on Trump and the US and appeal to Europe instead. Trump is obviously on Russia’s side in this conflict and has no interest in brokering a fair deal. All he can expect now is performative histrionics like on Friday. I’d sooner appeal to China. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

If I were Zelensky I’d give up on Trump and the US and appeal to Europe instead

Again, your missing it. He can't give up on the US. Only the United States can give him what he needs. Unless they're willing to put troops on the ground, Europe has absolutely NOTHING to offer. Trump knows this and so does the World. 

[Horseman 2,353]

Stupids think Europe can replace what we give Ukraine. 

They can't. 

If they could then why didn't we get out of it a lot sooner / why are we involved in the first place? 

Ta'da

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Again, your missing it. He can't give up on the US. Only the United States can give him what he needs. Unless they're willing to put troops on the ground, Europe has absolutely NOTHING to offer. Trump knows this and so does the World. 

This is wrong. Europe can’t replace what we can offer, and they can’t cause Ukraine to win the struggle, but they can offer enough arms to maintain the current stalemate for years if need be. And it appears they’re going to. 

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

Besides, despite all of Trump’s bluster we haven’t cut off aid to Ukraine yet.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

but they can offer enough arms to maintain the current stalemate for years if need be. And it appears they’re going to. 

Again, you're missing it.. Europe wants the United States to deal with it. They are scared to death of Putin and want no part of taking the lead. 

Let Europe put their money where their mouth is. If you think they can offer the same thing, then you are a fool. 

Trump knows all this, Zelensky will come running back like a little biatch. 

GUARANTEED 

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13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Besides, despite all of Trump’s bluster we haven’t cut off aid to Ukraine yet.

More Trump whining. 10 years and still going. 

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16 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Again, your missing it. He can't give up on the US. Only the United States can give him what he needs. Unless they're willing to put troops on the ground, Europe has absolutely NOTHING to offer. Trump knows this and so does the World. 

I’m not missing it. If I were Zelensky, I’d sooner appeal to Europe or even China than have Putin’s buddy broker a rigged deal.

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

9 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Again, you're missing it.. Europe wants the United States to deal with it. They are scared to death of Putin and want no part of taking the lead. 

Let Europe put their money where their mouth is. If you think they can offer the same thing, then you are a fool. 

Trump knows all this, Zelensky will come running back like a little biatch. 

GUARANTEED 

Oh I agree he will come back. Better for him and better for us. But you also said that Europe has nothing to offer. That’s not correct. 
 

This has now become an issue for face saving on all sides. Trump needs to be able to come away as the winner and peacemaker. Zelensky can’t appear to grovel. The Europeans can’t appear to look weak. And even Putin, though he is a dictator, has to be able to show his people that there was some positive result from losing 700,000 men and billions of dollars. If we can find a way to achieve all of the goals we will have peace. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

China than have Putin’s buddy broker a rigged deal.

You do realize that China is Russia's #1 allie don't you? That wouldn't end well for Ukraine 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Oh I agree he will come back. Better for him and better for us. But you also said that Europe has nothing to offer. That’s not correct. 

Then let Europe sort it out, except they can't and don't want to. Trump knows this and isn't accepting a crappy deal for the United States, as he shouldn't. 

You're clowning Trump but he played that perfectly. Zelensky will come crawling back and Trump will get a deal that is favorable to The United States. 

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31 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Then let Europe sort it out, except they can't and don't want to. Trump knows this and isn't accepting a crappy deal for the United States, as he shouldn't. 

You're clowning Trump but he played that perfectly. Zelensky will come crawling back and Trump will get a deal that is favorable to The United States. 

Biden should have handled this since day 1 when he had his shot at it. This was and is Europe's problem not ours. 

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1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You do realize that China is Russia's #1 allie don't you? That wouldn't end well for Ukraine 

I do. But the deal Trump is offering is Ukraine loses territory, signs over natural resources, and gets berated on the world stage. 

I expect Ukraine gets the same deal from China without having to deal with a preening old woman. 

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20 minutes ago, MDC said:

I do. But the deal Trump is offering is Ukraine loses territory, signs over natural resources, and gets berated on the world stage. 

I expect Ukraine gets the same deal from China without having to deal with a preening old woman. 

So you want China to protect the Ukrainian's from Russia? 

Think about that for a second, it's never happening. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

23 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Biden should have handled this since day 1 when he had his shot at it. This was and is Europe's problem not ours. 

Biden couldn't even take a shizz without help. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is wrong. Europe can’t replace what we can offer, and they can’t cause Ukraine to win the struggle, but they can offer enough arms to maintain the current stalemate for years if need be. And it appears they’re going to. 

No that's not accurate. Europe is working on a Peace deal to present to the U.S.

[jbycho 581]

Tim is a wreck. 

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9 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

So you want China to protect the Ukrainian's from Russia? 

Think about that for a second, it's never happening. 

I don’t want China to protect Ukraine. I’m saying if I were Ukraine, I’d sooner bank on Europe filling the void and China brokering a deal than Trump. And that’s what MAGAs want, right? The US out and Europe to step up. 

Everyone wins.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

21 minutes ago, MDC said:

I don’t want China to protect Ukraine. I’m saying if I were Ukraine, I’d sooner bank on Europe filling the void and China brokering a deal than Trump. And that’s what MAGAs want, right? The US out and Europe to step up. 

Everyone wins.

I would love that.but it's a pipe dream. Europe has made it clear that they don't want to take the lead. 

The US will broker a deal and Trump will get what benefits the United States. That's exactly how this is going to go. 

Everyone is crying because Trump blew up Zelensky. He did exactly what he should of done. Why take a crappy deal for the US? Zelensky has zero leverage. Trump will get a deal that's favorable to the US and Libs will still find something to complain about. 

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5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I would love that.but it's a pipe dream. Europe has made it clear that they don't want to take the lead. 

The US will broker a deal and Trump will get what benefits the United States. That's exactly how this is going to go. 

Everyone is crying because Trump blew up Zelensky. He did exactly what he should of done. Why take a crappy deal for the US?Zelensky has zero leverage. Trump will get a deal that's favorable to the US and Libs will still find something to complain about. 

It's not just favorable to the US, it's deserved. A payback for all the massive support from a stupid group of liberals at the time. Cost citizens taxes in the billions and billions.

If Zelensky was smart, he would have said to Trump, "Don't blame me for the idiots that came before you".

That, may have won Trump over. For good reason. 

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5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I would love that.but it's a pipe dream. Europe has made it clear that they don't want to take the lead. 

The US will broker a deal and Trump will get what benefits the United States. That's exactly how this is going to go. 

Everyone is crying because Trump blew up Zelensky. He did exactly what he should have done. Why take a crappy deal for the US? Zelensky has zero leverage. Trump will get a deal that's favorable to the US and Libs will still find something to complain about. 

We’ll see I guess.

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38 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Biden couldn't even take a shizz without help. 

That’s actually not true. He sh!t his pants at the Vatican all on his own. It’s the clean up he needs help with. 

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Just now, avoiding injuries said:

That’s actually not true. He sh!t his pants at the Vatican all on his own. It’s the clean up he needs help with. 

That's where @weepaws stepped in. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

19 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

That’s actually not true. He sh!t his pants at the Vatican all on his own. It’s the clean up he needs help with. 

He can also fall down steps all by himself 

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,920]

Remember when Ukraine fired a missile into Poland and tried to blame it on Russia? They were willing to start ww3. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Remember when Ukraine fired a missile into Poland and tried to blame it on Russia? They were willing to start ww3. 

Zelensky is so dumb that he doesn't know we can see exactly where it was launched  

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6 hours ago, jonmx said:

I would be a lot nicer to the focking retards as soon as they stop being focking retards.  All the deep state media has do due is say Trump and Putin, and all the focking retards believe whatever crap they spew after that.  They are 100 percent braindead, incapable of an independant thought. 

No one gives a 5hit if you’re nice or not.   You’re irrelevant.  Even your fellow MAGAts think you’re a stupid tool.

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54 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

That’s actually not true. He sh!t his pants at the Vatican all on his own. It’s the clean up he needs help with. 

I remember that!  

Such an embarrassment.

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9 minutes ago, gas said:

No one gives a 5hit if you’re nice or not.   You’re irrelevant.  Even your fellow MAGAts think you’re a stupid tool.

Without reading a single word....focking retard

[Horseman 2,353]

14 minutes ago, gas said:

No one gives a 5hit if you’re nice or not.   You’re irrelevant.  Even your fellow MAGAts think you’re a stupid tool.

A tad extreme. But not stupid compared to most of the liberal wack jobs around here.  He predicted the election results better than anyone.  Many libs assured everyone of the opposite.  

 

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4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tim thinks this dust up is worse than the Iraq wars.  And numerous other adventures thought the globe. I suggest you read War Is A Racket by Smedley Butler. He was a Marie General with two Medals Of Honor. It’s probably shorter than one of those comic books you read.  

Good book.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,920]

39 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Good book.

Still holds up almost 100 years later. 

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2 hours ago, avoiding injuries said:

That’s actually not true. He sh!t his pants at the Vatican all on his own. It’s the clean up he needs help with. 

Biden was a total embarrassment but was looked upon as a “great president “ by the @The Real timschochet typeS

 

Joe Biden’s fart and other embarrassing royal moments for Americans

US president lets rip at COP26 meeting with Camilla.

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U.S. President Joe Biden did not do a good job of reducing emissions at the COP26 conference | Steve Reigate/Getty Images

DECLASSIFIED

NOVEMBER 12, 2021 4:01 AM CET

BY PAUL DALLISON

Welcome to Declassified, a weekly column looking at the lighter side of politics.

When you meet the queen of England, you’re not supposed to turn your back on her (presumably in case she steals something). Clearly when you meet the Duchess of Cornwall, you’re supposed to fart.

That’s allegedly what happened when Joe Biden met Camilla at the COP26 climate talks in Glasgow — with the U.S. president doing a terrible job at reducing emissions.

 

The duchess “hasn’t stopped talking about” Biden’s fart, an “informed source” told the Mail on Sunday in what may be the greatest use of media sourcing in years. Move over, Deep Throat, here comes Deep Colon.

“It was long and loud and impossible to ignore,” the Mail wrote about the fart — the breaking of wind, not the U.S. leader, I hasten to add. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, MDC said:

I do. But the deal Trump is offering is Ukraine loses territory, signs over natural resources, and gets berated on the world stage. 

This part of the world has changed hands many times.  Crimea is a good example back in 2014 (Obama Presidency).  Small portions of land changing hands over time in Eastern Europe after the old Soviet Union broke up in the early 90's.  This is a whole other continent from the United States.  Sure the USA has a geo-political interest in any conflict around the world but some of y'all are getting played.  I STAND WITH UKRAINE! is just dumb.  You stand with the next <insert big thing against Trump>.  That's it and frankly, grow the fock up. 

ETA:  Zero US Troops should be on the ground fighting in this.  All monies should be allocated and tracked and a peace deal to end this war should be the number one goal.  Full stop.