Trump wants to deport American Citizens to El Salvador

[TimHauck 2,598]

26 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

he got due process anyways he was on the deportation list, that means hes gone through the system. Turn off CNN ffs

hes a terrorist

he was labeled by multiple courts as MS13

and hes not a MARYLAND MAN hes a MS13 gang banger from El Salvador.  He got a free trip home

the whole admin admits  they were wrong was a scam you fell for as well

Can you link where “multiple courts labeled him as MS 13”?  All I see is one cop who was later suspended did, which to my knowledge was the only evidence ever provided.

How it started: we need to deport all these violent illegals that don’t want to work and contribute nothing to society!

How it’s going:  let’s deport this illegal that has a US citizen wife and kid, has been here for over a decade with no violent record and a steady job!

For chrissake the reason he was “labeled a gang member” in the first place was because he was looking for work outside of Home Depot! 

 

 

[supermike80 1,795]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is wrong: 

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5230288-americans-migrants-due-process-survey/amp/

6 out of 10 Americans oppose deportation without due process, which is exactly what took place here. 

Polls are FUN!!!

[thegeneral 2,880]

33 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

he got due process anyways he was on the deportation list, that means hes gone through the system. Turn off CNN ffs

hes a terrorist

he was labeled by multiple courts as MS13

and hes not a MARYLAND MAN hes a MS13 gang banger from El Salvador.  He got a free trip home

the whole admin admits  they were wrong was a scam you fell for as well

This is all incorrect.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

4 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Yes he had due process and a judge ruled that he can stay here legally.  He was illegally sent to prison anyway. 

He's not a terrorist.  He has no criminal record here or in El Salvador.

It was alleged that he was MS-13 for 1) wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and 2) an informant in NY where he never lived.  It was never determined that he was in MS-13 and he denies those allegations.

He was a legal resident of Maryland, married to a US citizen with American kids.  No charges, no record, and he was sent to prison.

The govt admits it was wrong to deport him, the SC court ruled it was wrong and he should be returned, but Trump has covered that up and defied the court and you fell for it.

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Can you link where “multiple courts labeled him as MS 13”?  All I see is one cop who was later suspended did, which to my knowledge was the only evidence ever provided.

How it started: we need to deport all these violent illegals that don’t want to work and contribute nothing to society!

How it’s going:  let’s deport this illegal that has a US citizen wife and kid, has been here for over a decade with no violent record and a steady job!

For chrissake the reason he was “labeled a gang member” in the first place was because he was looking for work outside of Home Depot! 

 

 

you can watch the video I posted, which I know you wont cause its not leftist garbage

disprove anything Steven Miller or Tim Pool states in the video

[The Psychic Observer 495]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

I'm not watching a 10 minute video by a Russian sponsored propagandist.

If you're able, you can reply using your own words.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

once again the left picking illegal criminals over Americans

El Salvador President is the best

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

3 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

I'm not watching a 10 minute video by a Russian sponsored propagandist.

If you're able, you can reply using your own words.

Russian sponsored stfu you know nothing at all

of course you wont watch anything moderate, stick to your leftist garbage

please show me ANYTHING propaganda hes posted

also I used my own words and you wanted more so I shared more

https://x.com/MrPitbull07/status/1911860164778479662

heres another link all facts

[HellToupee 1,583]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

once again the left picking illegal criminals over Americans

El Salvador President is the best

 

 

Bukele is our greatest ally today 

[squistion 1,944]

From the Twitters:

Donald Trump is testing us. If Congress, the military, and the public do nothing when an innocent man legally in America is deported and imprisoned in a death camp in El Salvador without recourse, what comes next will be so much worse. 

[seafoam1 2,797]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This is all incorrect.

Hey, it's generalgimpypee. Saying stupid things again. You go girl. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

11 minutes ago, squistion said:

From the Twitters:

Donald Trump is testing us. If Congress, the military, and the public do nothing when an innocent man legally in America is deported and imprisoned in a death camp in El Salvador without recourse, what comes next will be so much worse. 

hes not an innocent man, hes an El Salvadorian getting a free ride back home

youre welcome

hopefully people like you are next, America would be a much stronger better place

[Mike Honcho 5,084]

59 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Wrong.

Well, it used to be wrong, when we actually cared about what was written in the Constitution, today...

[The Psychic Observer 495]

4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

hopefully people like you are next, America would be a much stronger better place

This is what we've become.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

26 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Polls are FUN!!!

The cool thing about polls is that you can always find one that confirms your bias and then use that to gaslight other people into thinking, "See?  The poll shows that this is what everybody wants!". 

Kind of like how the left shops for judges to get favorable rulings, they also poll shop too!

[Fnord 2,051]

12 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

I’m okay with doing some unconstitutional things if it means we get to deport the scum and bury the Democratic Party. 

 

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

The takeover is underway 

 

6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

hopefully people like you are next, America would be a much stronger better place

3 fascists say what?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 

 

3 fascists say what?

just squidtard not you

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

6 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

This is what we've become.

yep pu55ies like you and squidtard are why this country got so weak, enjoy your participation trophy blue hair lesbo

you probably should have booked a ticket on Bezos rocket trip

[supermike80 1,795]

14 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The cool thing about polls is that you can always find one that confirms your bias and then use that to gaslight other people into thinking, "See?  The poll shows that this is what everybody wants!". 

Kind of like how the left shops for judges to get favorable rulings, they also poll shop too!

Timmy absolutely does not know how that works.

[HellToupee 1,583]

39 minutes ago, squistion said:

From the Twitters:

Donald Trump is testing us. If Congress, the military, and the public do nothing when an innocent man legally in America is deported and imprisoned in a death camp in El Salvador without recourse, what comes next will be so much worse. 

Who tweeted that , JayChasJohnson?

[squistion 1,944]

Adam Schiff @SenAdamSchiff

https://x.com/SenAdamSchiff/status/1911980660589498792 (video clip at link)

 

The constitutional crisis is here.

 

President Trump is disobeying lawful court orders. His advisors and allies are cheering him on. And Kilmar Abrego Garcia remains trapped in a jail in El Salvador.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,690]

The left sure loves their bad hombres except when the Florida Governor actually puts them in their neighborhood.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,690]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Adam Schiff @SenAdamSchiff

https://x.com/SenAdamSchiff/status/1911980660589498792 (video clip at link)

 

The constitutional crisis is here.

 

President Trump is disobeying lawful court orders. His advisors and allies are cheering him on. And Kilmar Abrego Garcia remains trapped in a jail in El Salvador.

Maybe Schiff should go on a rescue mission.  

[squistion 1,944]

https://x.com/AhmedBaba_/status/1912144653572268266

Trump Admin keeps lying and calling Garcia a gang member without credible evidence because they want to shift the narrative.

The truth: They’re defying a SCOTUS order to facilitate the return of a man with no criminal record they admit they mistakenly sent to a foreign gulag.

Frankly, even if you argue that the Supreme Court intended a narrower meaning of the word “facilitate,” the Trump Admin would still be in defiance of this ruling.

The Trump Admin is doing nothing to try and facilitate Garcia’s return. In fact, they’re doing the exact opposite. 

[CaptainObvious1 322]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/AhmedBaba_/status/1912144653572268266

Trump Admin keeps lying and calling Garcia a gang member without credible evidence because they want to shift the narrative.

The truth: They’re defying a SCOTUS order to facilitate the return of a man with no criminal record they admit they mistakenly sent to a foreign gulag.

Frankly, even if you argue that the Supreme Court intended a narrower meaning of the word “facilitate,” the Trump Admin would still be in defiance of this ruling.

The Trump Admin is doing nothing to try and facilitate Garcia’s return. In fact, they’re doing the exact opposite. 

Oh noes

[HellToupee 1,583]

11 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Maybe Schiff should go on a rescue mission.  

Schiff belongs in jail with his close buddy Ed Buck

[HellToupee 1,583]

1 minute ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

Oh noes

You can trust a guy named Ahmed Baba

[The Psychic Observer 495]

22 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/AhmedBaba_/status/1912144653572268266

Trump Admin keeps lying and calling Garcia a gang member without credible evidence because they want to shift the narrative.

The truth: They’re defying a SCOTUS order to facilitate the return of a man with no criminal record they admit they mistakenly sent to a foreign gulag.

Frankly, even if you argue that the Supreme Court intended a narrower meaning of the word “facilitate,” the Trump Admin would still be in defiance of this ruling.

The Trump Admin is doing nothing to try and facilitate Garcia’s return. In fact, they’re doing the exact opposite. 

Doesn't look like SCOTUS is gonna do anything here.  They have seceded their power to Trump.  Everyone just gives all their power to one man.  We're really focked.

[Engorgeous George 2,120]

13 hours ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Let me help you here.  The answer is yes.  We are paying El Salvador $6M per year for the first batch of people sent to CECOT.

Economically a bargain compared to say a Geo group prison in this Country. Of course that is not really the issue, I just thought I would mention it.  who knows, maybe the thread will tangentially go to addressing private prisons in this country.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

37 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Timmy absolutely does not know how that works.

Except that I didn’t bring up the question of public approval. It was @avoiding injuries who asserted that this was an 80-20 issue and liberals were on the wrong side. I thought that was wrong so I looked it up: I found several polls that all said the same thing. I didn’t find any polls that said differently so there was no cherry picking. I chose one and posted it. 

I did it to refute his assertion, but personally on an issue like this one I don’t care much about polling anyhow. If 99% of the public disagreed with me it wouldn’t affect my view which is: 

1. If this dude is an undocumented alien who is also a member of a violent gang, he shouldn’t be here. Deport him and I don’t care what happens to him. 
2. If he was deported by mistake, or if he didn’t get due process, that’s wrong. Everyone here, legal or illegal, deserves due process. He needs to be returned to the United States immediately, if only to get his day in court and then be deported again. 
3. if the Trump administration refuses to obey the court’s instructions on this then they are in contempt of court and people need to go to jail until they comply. 
 

It’s that simple to me. 
 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

5 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Doesn't look like SCOTUS is gonna do anything here.  They have seceded their power to Trump.  Everyone just gives all their power to one man.  We're really focked.

They may be forced to make a further decision. First, however, a lower court is going to have act bravely. We’ll see if that happens. 

[Engorgeous George 2,120]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Polls are FUN!!!

dziękuję

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Economically a bargain compared to say a Geo group prison in this Country. Oof course that is not really the issue, I just thought I would mention it.  who knows, maybe the thread will tangentially go to addressing private prisons in this country.

The other day you asserted that logically this guy must be a gang member since he told the court that if he was returned to his country of birth a rival gang would kill him. That logic actually made sense to me too. But now we have learned that, according to him, it wasn’t a rival gang; he was recruited to be a gang member (like all young males in his community) refused  and was threatened with death. So it’s possible, if he is telling the truth about this (we don’t know) that he is not and has never been a gang member.

This is why due process is so important. It’s scary to me that so many people are just willing to let it go in order to achieve a result they approve of. Perhaps you think, as so many conservatives do, that the threat of authoritarianism from Trump is exaggerated, but this sort of thing is how dictatorships begin. 

[squistion 1,944]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

2. If he was deported by mistake, or if he didn’t get due process, that’s wrong. Everyone here, legal or illegal, deserves due process. He needs to be returned to the United States immediately, if only to get his day in court and then be deported again.  

That is a fundamental part of our Constitution that some people here keep ignoring.

The Founding Fathers did not believe that the right to due process under the law should be selective and apply only to those who we like or agree with. SCOTUS affirmed that in a 9-0 ruling that Trump is ignoring. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

Libtards making all this fuss over one guy that had no right to come here in the first place. Meanwhile an illegal in Maryland was just convicted of raping and murdering a born US citizen and mother of five. No weeping about that. GFY. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Libtards making all this fuss over one guy that had no right to come here in the first place. Meanwhile an illegal in Maryland was just convicted of raping and murdering born US citizen and mother of five. No weeping about that. GFY. 

If that guy was convicted that means he got his day in court, was found guilty, and now he goes away. Why should I weep? 
 

Also to correct you because you keep repeating the same nonsense: we are not making a fuss over this one guy: we are making a fuss over the SYSTEM

[iam90sbaby 2,472]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

 

 

3 fascists say what?

If they started rounding you retards up I’d feel nothing 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

If that guy was convicted that means he got his day in court, was found guilty, and now he goes away. Why should I weep? 

Because our country didn’t do its most important job. The opposite actually. And now she’s dead.  But hey, the rapist/ murderer got a court date. I guess that would make you feel good if it were your wife, right? 

[Engorgeous George 2,120]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

The other day you asserted that logically this guy must be a gang member since he told the court that if he was returned to his country of birth a rival gang would kill him. That logic actually made sense to me too. But now we have learned that, according to him, it wasn’t a rival gang; he was recruited to be a gang member (like all young males in his community) refused  and was threatened with death. So it’s possible, if he is telling the truth about this (we don’t know) that he is not and has never been a gang member.

This is why due process is so important. It’s scary to me that so many people are just willing to let it go in order to achieve a result they approve of. Perhaps you think, as so many conservatives do, that the threat of authoritarianism from Trump is exaggerated, but this sort of thing is how dictatorships begin. 

And were I his attorney I would have made a similar new claim. (Calling it a clarification of the original claim, not an entirely new claim) I would have asserted his lack of command of english, being his non-native language, made nuance difficult.  I would now be asserting that he meant to say that the rival gang to MS-13 had threatened him stating if he is not with us he is against us and must, therefor, be MS-13.  I would have stated that his only choice then was to join a dangerous gang under coercion or to flee to a safe, democratic country where males are basically not forcibly conscripted into gangs (south america) or worse militias (had he been from Africa).  I nearly posted as much at the time as the evolution of the argument was predictable.

 

Me, I have no way of knowing his affiliations.  I also take no position on this matter other than to say that I do believe in minimal but fundamental due process even for non-citizens.  I believe Americans may have more process due them than do non-citizens, but our Constitution does seem to recognize that humans, as opposed to Citizens, all have some fundamental rights.  Now those fundamental rights are not cognizable by our Courts until and unless those humans get a foothold, even problably an illegal foothold in our country, but once they do they do, in my reading of the law, have some due process rights.  I believe, without looking back on my previous post, that i said more or less the same, that he was entitled to some due process, probably more than an administrative determination by the executive branch.  He was, at the very least, in my opinion, entitled to a review, an appeal of that administrative decision though in Administrative law I do believe that Administrative opinions are entitled to a presumption of regularity. (caveat - it has been over 40 years since I studied Administrative law in Law School so my memory may be less than accurate.)

[Engorgeous George 2,120]

I am patiently awaiting the Trump Administration to hire 10,000 or so new magistrates to work on expedited immigration matters.  It could be a good retirement gig for me.