Trump wants to deport American Citizens to El Salvador

[Tree of Knowledge 1,691]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Finally: 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5251829-boasberg-trump-contempt/amp/

Judge orders contempt proceedings for Trump administration. It’s well past time. Throw Tom Homan in jail already. 

Throw the judge in jail.  

[Mark Davis 338]

14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Finally: 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5251829-boasberg-trump-contempt/amp/

Judge orders contempt proceedings for Trump administration. It’s well past time. Throw Tom Homan in jail already. 

And Trump gets bailed out in the news cycle again. This is a winning issue for him, the tariffs at least as it stands now is terrible for him.  They have to be salivating profusely imagining the footage they are going to get if this congressional delegation truly goes to El Salvador to try to bring an illegal immigrant back. 

[jbycho 580]

20 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You might care if a dirty cop accuses you of being in a gang 

Sure. I'll let you know when that happens. 

[jbycho 580]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Finally: 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5251829-boasberg-trump-contempt/amp/

Judge orders contempt proceedings for Trump administration. It’s well past time. Throw Tom Homan in jail already. 

Oh no!! 

[Fnord 2,051]

7 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

And Trump gets bailed out in the news cycle again. This is a winning issue for him, the tariffs at least as it stands now is terrible for him.  They have to be salivating profusely imagining the footage they are going to get if this congressional delegation truly goes to El Salvador to try to bring an illegal immigrant back. 

It's a winning issue for him to completely flout court rulings, engage in abuses of power, get rung up for contempt of court, and set in motion a constitutional crisis? 

I fight against these generalizations and disagree with the opinion, but this, in a nutshell, is why so many people believe that MAGA supporters are all moron racists.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,909]

31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Finally: 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5251829-boasberg-trump-contempt/amp/

Judge orders contempt proceedings for Trump administration. It’s well past time. Throw Tom Homan in jail already. 

I’m sure the Marshals are on their way to pick him up.  

[The Psychic Observer 495]

5 minutes ago, Fnord said:

It's a winning issue for him to completely flout court rulings, engage in abuses of power, get rung up for contempt of court, and set in motion a constitutional crisis? 

I fight against these generalizations and disagree with the opinion, but this, in a nutshell, is why so many people believe that MAGA supporters are all moron racists.

Given that he won the last election, I would think more people would be upset about their 401ks than the constitution being shredded and some brown people sent to prison.

[Mark Davis 338]

18 minutes ago, Fnord said:

It's a winning issue for him to completely flout court rulings, engage in abuses of power, get rung up for contempt of court, and set in motion a constitutional crisis? 

I fight against these generalizations and disagree with the opinion, but this, in a nutshell, is why so many people believe that MAGA supporters are all moron racists.

You kind of framed things in ideological terms there. But if you believe sending delegations to bring back an illegal immigrant suspected of gang activity to this country is winning messaging then I can’t help you. Maybe he is innocent of that assertion, maybe he isn’t. But the optics on it politically should be apparent. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,909]

3 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Given that he won the last election, I would think more people would be upset about their 401ks than the constitution being shredded and some brown people sent to prison.

You’re upset about your 401k? How old are you? Just to let you know, maybe they don’t tell you down at the lollipop guild, but it doesn’t always go up.  Invest accordingly.  It’s your money and your responsibility.  

[Mark Davis 338]

2 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Given that he won the last election, I would think more people would be upset about their 401ks than the constitution being shredded and some brown people sent to prison.

We don’t agree on much but you’re right in that the tariffs and shaky financial situation resulting in the markets presently are his weak spot. Anything that shifts that narrative to immigration is a winner for him. His numbers on his handling of immigration poll the best. 

[seafoam1 2,797]

1 minute ago, Mark Davis said:

We don’t agree on much but you’re right in that the tariffs and shaky financial situation resulting in the markets presently are his weak spot. Anything that shifts that narrative to immigration is a winner for him. His numbers on his handling of immigration poll the best. 

Get over it. The economy is fine and the markets will adjust accordingly. 

[TimHauck 2,598]

25 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Sure. I'll let you know when that happens. 

True, you probably don’t have to worry about that because of your white privilege

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

The left only cares about process on the way out. Illegals have a deportation hearing. They get the opportunity to prove that they are here legally, and if they can't, well then due process is done and they get to go home. Retards want a jury trial and court appointed attorney for 30 million criminals that have no right to either. Sorry not sorry Maryland dad. 

[Mike Honcho 5,085]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m sure the Marshals are on their way to pick him up.  

All right, listen up, ladies and gentlemen, our fugitive has been on the run for ninety minutes. Average foot speed over uneven ground, barring injuries, is 4 miles per hour. That gives us a radius of six miles. What I want from each and every one of you is a hard-target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse in that area. Checkpoints go up at fifteen miles. Your fugitive's name is Tom Homan. Go get him.

[iam90sbaby 2,472]

59 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Finally: 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5251829-boasberg-trump-contempt/amp/

Judge orders contempt proceedings for Trump administration. It’s well past time. Throw Tom Homan in jail already. 

Awesome, this is where things start to get really fun

[Engorgeous George 2,121]

7 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

All right, listen up, ladies and gentlemen, our fugitive has been on the run for ninety minutes. Average foot speed over uneven ground, barring injuries, is 4 miles per hour. That gives us a radius of six miles. What I want from each and every one of you is a hard-target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse in that area. Checkpoints go up at fifteen miles. Your fugitive's name is Tom Homan. Go get him.

I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that Homan's footspeed over uneven ground is something less than average.

[The Psychic Observer 495]

14 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

The left only cares about process on the way out. Illegals have a deportation hearing. They get the opportunity to prove that they are here legally, and if they can't, well then due process is done and they get to go home. Retards want a jury trial and court appointed attorney for 30 million criminals that have no right to either. Sorry not sorry Maryland dad. 

None of the people that were sent to CECOT had a deportation hearing.  THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.  If they did, then "Maryland dad" would still be in Maryland with his wife and kids instead of rotting in prison.

[jbycho 580]

31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

True, you probably don’t have to worry about that because of your white privilege

Yeah. Not committing crimes is now called "white privilege". 

[jbycho 580]

23 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

None of the people that were sent to CECOT had a deportation hearing.  THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.  If they did, then "Maryland dad" would still be in Maryland with his wife and kids instead of rotting in prison.

Why should any American courts waste tax payer dollars on illegals? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

Why should any American courts waste tax payer dollars on illegals? 

You get a deportation hearing for crossing into the country illegally? 

[Fnord 2,051]

48 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

You kind of framed things in ideological terms there. But if you believe sending delegations to bring back an illegal immigrant suspected of gang activity to this country is winning messaging then I can’t help you. Maybe he is innocent of that assertion, maybe he isn’t. But the optics on it politically should be apparent. 

Ignoring court rulings and being in jeopardy of being held in contempt are not ideological terms, despite what Steven Miller proclaims.

I will never get over how easily MAGA will roll over for whatever Trump does, even when the exact same actions would engender absolute rage if a Democrat were responsible. You're a level headed conservative, non-MAGA from what I can tell. Do you not see a tipping point somewhere, when people finally realize that he is attempting to utilize power he has not been constitutionally granted?

[Fnord 2,051]

59 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You’re upset about your 401k? How old are you? Just to let you know, maybe they don’t tell you down at the lollipop guild, but it doesn’t always go up.  Invest accordingly.  It’s your money and your responsibility.  

Says the guy that happily votes for the man who has never accepted responsibility for anything.

[Strike 5,182]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is actually the MAGA argument. They don’t care that the law is being broken because they like the result. 

Certain posters like @RaiderHaters Revenge and @Strike won’t admit this. They are trying to argue that the laws actually DO allow for the Trump administration to do what they did here,. But they are failing badly, proven wrong at every turn, because it’s an unsustainable argument. Other posters like @jbycho are more honest: they simply believe the ends justifies the means and say so. They have no problem with Trump trying to impose an authoritarian dictatorship: that’s what they want. 

As usual you misrepresent my position.  My position is that the laws DO allow the Trump administration to deport this gang banger with a final order of removal, AND that I don't care.  When you start caring about illegals breaking our laws to invade our country I'll start caring about how we get rid of them.  Until then, fock off.

[Strike 5,182]

25 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You get a deportation hearing for crossing into the country illegally? 

Being here illegally is not a crime!!!

[Hardcore troubadour 14,909]

19 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Says the guy that happily votes for the man who has never accepted responsibility for anything.

Says the guy that voted for Tim Walz. lol. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

1 hour ago, Mark Davis said:

 This is a winning issue for him

This is not a winning issue for him at all. You badly misjudge public opinion on this: 

https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/trumps-immigration-agenda-isnt-popular?r=a9pj&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
 

It has completely changed in the past few weeks. At first the public strongly approved of Trump’s deportation policies. But that was before he started defying judges. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,909]

So this latest scumbag pet of the democrats is a wife abuser as well. Please, continue. TDS man. Mess you up. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

As usual you misrepresent my position.  My position is that the laws DO allow the Trump administration to deport this gang banger with a final order of removal, AND that I don't care.  When you start caring about illegals breaking our laws to invade our country I'll start caring about how we get rid of them.  Until then, fock off.

I missed this post earlier. What a self own. So basically you’re saying that you’re wrong AND stupid AND awful. OK then. 

[jbycho 580]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I missed this post earlier. What a self own. So basically you’re saying that you’re wrong AND stupid AND awful. OK then. 

Wow. Tim guy has absolutely nothing left in the tank. 

[HellToupee 1,583]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So this latest scumbag pet of the democrats is a wife abuser as well. Please, continue. TDS man. Mess you up. 

Maryland dad

[TimHauck 2,598]

3 hours ago, jbycho said:

Yeah. Not committing crimes is now called "white privilege". 

You realize the only “crime” he was arrested for other than entering the country illegally was for loitering outside of a Home Depot, right?

 

[Mark Davis 338]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

Ignoring court rulings and being in jeopardy of being held in contempt are not ideological terms, despite what Steven Miller proclaims.

I will never get over how easily MAGA will roll over for whatever Trump does, even when the exact same actions would engender absolute rage if a Democrat were responsible. You're a level headed conservative, non-MAGA from what I can tell. Do you not see a tipping point somewhere, when people finally realize that he is attempting to utilize power he has not been constitutionally granted?

I don't really support everything that anyone does.  I always tell people if you can't find a difference ideologically with someone you aren't thinking for yourself but rather following.  Honestly I'm not a Republican, never have been.  I don't think of myself as necessarily even a conservative, although I guess I am because times have shifted as to who falls into that category.  I always have been a fiscal conservative but in general I believe in smaller government staying out of our personal lives.  There are a lot of things about Trump's policies that I like.  But when we look at immigration as a whole, I think the majority of voters, specifically those voters who either swing or need motivation to show up to the polls agree with Trump's overall get tough stances on the border.  

You see this as a looming constitutional crisis but I don't think we are there.  If we get specific to this one case I think one can argue over the term "facilitate".  But let's put that disagreement aside.  Strictly in political terms, imagine what the optics will be if that delegation goes to El Salvador.  There are things I may feel I want for the country that really don't play well politically specifically when it comes to government programs.  I think this is one of those issues for Democrats.  They can go, their base may want them to, it may be good for those wanting to win primaries, but I think it helps Trump tremendously because the simple view is that he's getting tough on immigration. 

I'm actually with Trump we should do something about China, and I'm fine with doing what we need to do to get there, but even if I approve I have to admit politically it isn't playing well right now because of the market turbulence.  We will see if it subsides, which he is certainly betting on.  But the reality I believe is this whole dust up is going to shift from something that is losing in the polls to something he would love to talk about that he has net positives on.

[Mark Davis 338]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is not a winning issue for him at all. You badly misjudge public opinion on this: 

https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/trumps-immigration-agenda-isnt-popular?r=a9pj&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
 

It has completely changed in the past few weeks. At first the public strongly approved of Trump’s deportation policies. But that was before he started defying judges. 

You're misinterpreting your own article in my opinion.  As with any poll, a lot of results come in how you ask the questions.  You're trying to square net positive views on immigration but saying now the public strongly disagrees with his policies. 

I suggest to you there is going to be a difference in those results if you say "Do you support Trump defying court orders to remove a father who has been here 10 years and committed no crimes?" and the question of "Do you support the Trump administration doing all it can to deport suspected gang members who illegally crossed our border back to their country of origin?"  Both questions have a slant to them and both would likely get some people to give contradictory answers.  

I just think Democrats showing up in a sovereign country to demand one of their citizens who crossed our border illegally and is suspected, even if unproven, of having ties to MS-13 is a loser politically.  Believe otherwise if you wish, but I think they're diving off the high board into an empty pool on that one.   And even if there is water in that pool, it gets shallow quickly if any negative personal info starts to leak out on this guy.  I don't think the administration is sitting on anything, but if they are they'd love to trickle it out as soon as they get that delegation on camera down in El Salvador.

[jbycho 580]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

You realize the only “crime” he was arrested for other than entering the country illegally was for loitering outside of a Home Depot, right?

 

So, being ILLEGALLY here in this country, and loitering for some focking reason are his ONLY crimes? 

Yeah, kick him out. The POS. 

[TimHauck 2,598]

13 minutes ago, jbycho said:

So, being ILLEGALLY here in this country, and loitering for some focking reason are his ONLY crimes? 

Yeah, kick him out. The POS. 

Let’s say two people cross the border illegally, one Caucasian and one Hispanic.  Who do you think 99.9% of cops will first suspect of being illegal?

 

That’s white privilege

[TimHauck 2,598]

This would seem to put a giant wrinkle into the claim that “he’s not our problem now.”

Van Hollen says that he asked the VP why El Salvador continues to hold Abrego Garcia even though he’s not charged with a crime and there’s no evidence that he’s MS-13. “His answer was that the Trump administration is paying the government of El Salvador to keep him at CECOT”
 

https://x.com/AnnaBower/status/1912572729208774974

 

I’m guessing he’s dead

[seafoam1 2,797]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

This would seem to put a giant wrinkle into the claim that “he’s not our problem now.”

Van Hollen says that he asked the VP why El Salvador continues to hold Abrego Garcia even though he’s not charged with a crime and there’s no evidence that he’s MS-13. “His answer was that the Trump administration is paying the government of El Salvador to keep him at CECOT”
 

https://x.com/AnnaBower/status/1912572729208774974

 

I’m guessing he’s dead

Coming from a guy who believes everything he reads/hears on the internet. 

[Strike 5,182]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’m guessing he’s dead

Then we can stop paying?

[TimHauck 2,598]

12 minutes ago, Strike said:

Then we can stop paying?

I’m not sure if it’s been determined if we’re actually paying a lump sum cost or just a cost per prisoner 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,909]

Confirmed gang member.  Suck it.