Minneapolis and state leaders prepare for possible Derek Chauvin pardon

[kilroy69 1,265]

Holy shitt. The twin cities are going to burn. 

[jerryskids 7,050]

What's this now?  I've heard Ben Shapiro make a case for Trump to pardon him of federal charges, but he'd still have the state conviction.   

[TBayXXXVII 2,656]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What's this now?  I've heard Ben Shapiro make a case for Trump to pardon him of federal charges, but he'd still have the state conviction.   

Trump said he doesn't even know anything about it.  I don't think Trump is planning to do anything.  But like you said, even if Trump pardons the federal charges, Chauvin's staying in prison for a long time.

[thegeneral 3,546]

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-derek-chauvin-pardon-george-floyd-b2750974.html

[Mike Honcho 5,412]

They might want to consider holding off on that tourism tax if he gets pardoned.    

ETA: He has state charges, he's staying in jail for a long time. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,387]

Release him already. He's in jail because some criminal died of a fentanyl overdose while in his custody, and that criminal just happens to be black.  

[avoiding injuries 1,644]

This would explain the tourism tax. 

[jbycho 754]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Release him already. He's in jail because some criminal died of a fentanyl overdose while in his custody, and that criminal just happens to be black.  

He should have been awarded in the first place.

Talk about a sham prosecution.

Every one of those rioters in 2020 should be locked up in his place..

[Maximum Overkill 2,387]

12 minutes ago, jbycho said:

He should have been awarded in the first place.

Talk about a sham prosecution.

Every one of those rioters in 2020 should be locked up in his place..

Yup!! The ONLY reason he was charged is because Floyd was black.  They were afraid of what would of happened if he wasn't charged. 

RACIST PROSECUTER AND JUDGES. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

They’re Lying by Liz Collin 

[Tree of Knowledge 2,098]

There is no plan for a federal pardon.  This is just the anti-Trump faction in our country trying to rile up colored people and erode his incredible popularity with strong positive black men.  

[Voltaire 5,453]

They should prepare for a meteor strike or alien invasion or that alleged dormant super volcano in Wyoming to explode instead.

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

They should prepare for a meteor strike or alien invasion or that alleged dormant super volcano in Wyoming to explode instead.

Climate will kill us all. 

[The Real timschochet 7,362]

Not even Trump is this stupid. Aint happening. 

[jbycho 754]

55 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Not even Trump is this stupid. 

You are. 

[TheNewGirl 1,634]

So this one I cannot get behind. He needs to stay in prison. 

George Floyd being on drugs or not, his treatment was abhorrent. 

 

[5-Points 3,747]

If he's pardoned of federal charges, he'd be moved to a state prison. I'm not sure he wants that. 

[easilyscan 999]

The good news is that if he ever decides to transform, tampon Timmy will make sure he has plenty of female hygiene products.

[Voltaire 5,453]

I'm sympathetic to the claim that Chauvin didn't get a fair trial. He didn't. But any second trial will have the exact same problems that the first did for the exact same reason. People are focking p*ssed at what happened to George Floyd and any second set of jurors will have to undergo the same treatment that the first set of jurors received. The case is just too big and what those jurors dealt with is the least bad as we can expect with any trial moving forward. In this case, I'm willing to accept that "they did their best to protect the jurors from outside influence" as good enough. I can't expect much more from a second set of jurors nor from a second set of security team expected to keep them sheltered from the anti-Chauvin mob. They won't get it any easier than the first group got.

I also agree that he was overcharged. It was the fentanyl that killed George Floyd, not the kneeling. But I'm not going to bat for Chauvin for this because there was still a blatant disregard for Floyd's life. Floyd may well have died anyway, considering that he'd taken well over a lethal dose of fentanyl. But the man was already complaining that he couldn't breathe before he got knelt on. By all means arrest him. And if there is no way to increase oxygen intake, well that's also the breaks. Actively impeding oxygen intake was a blatant disregard for the man's life. Its not unreasonable to think there was a chance that he would have been able to survive his fentanyl overdose if he'd not been knelt on.

Chauvin deserved some retribution for willful negligence if nothing else.

On a practical level, the optics of pardoning such a high profile defendant as Chauvin is just political poison with no recognizable upside.

[5-Points 3,747]

6 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I'm sympathetic to the claim that Chauvin didn't get a fair trial. He didn't. But any second trial will have the exact same problems that the first did for the exact same reason. People are focking p*ssed at what happened to George Floyd and any second set of jurors will have to undergo the same treatment that the first set of jurors received. The case is just too big and what those jurors dealt with is the least bad as we can expect with any trial moving forward. In this case, I'm willing to accept that "they did their best to protect the jurors from outside influence" as good enough. I can't expect much more from a second set of jurors nor from a second set of security team expected to keep them sheltered from the anti-Chauvin mob. They won't get it any easier than the first group got.

I also agree that he was overcharged. It was the fentanyl that killed George Floyd, not the kneeling. But I'm not going to bat for Chauvin for this because there was still a blatant disregard for Floyd's life. Floyd may well have died anyway, considering that he'd taken well over a lethal dose of fentanyl. But the man was already complaining that he couldn't breathe before he got knelt on. By all means arrest him. And if there is no way to increase oxygen intake, well that's also the breaks. Actively impeding oxygen intake was a blatant disregard for the man's life. Its not unreasonable to think there was a chance that he would have been able to survive his fentanyl overdose if he'd not been knelt on.

Chauvin deserved some retribution for willful negligence if nothing else.

On a practical level, the optics of pardoning such a high profile defendant as Chauvin is just political poison with no recognizable upside.

There's no proof that Chauvin impeded Floyd's oxygen intake. 

Also, Floyd was handcuffed in the street and acting erratically. Chauvin had to control him from trying to get up or roll out into the street and possibly get hit by a car. 

The guy got railroaded to appease the mob. Plain and simple. 

[jbycho 754]

Floyd deserved to die.. But the cop didn't kill him. 

[Horseman 2,684]

I can't think of a worse poster child than that Floyd loser. Libs still eat it up.  

[5-Points 3,747]

4 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I can't think of a worse poster child than that Floyd loser. Libs still eat it up.  

Michael Brown is definitely in contention for that honor. 

[Voltaire 5,453]

12 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

There's no proof that Chauvin impeded Floyd's oxygen intake. 

Also, Floyd was handcuffed in the street and acting erratically. Chauvin had to control him from trying to get up or roll out into the street and possibly get hit by a car. 

The guy got railroaded to appease the mob. Plain and simple. 

I claim that Floyd's oxygen intake was impeded because it seems to me that his lungs' ability to expand and contract would have been seriously impaired due to them being squeezed between a ?190? (don't know Chauvin's weight) pound man and a concrete road for seven+ minutes.

 

[jerryskids 7,050]

16 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I'm sympathetic to the claim that Chauvin didn't get a fair trial. He didn't. But any second trial will have the exact same problems that the first did for the exact same reason. People are focking p*ssed at what happened to George Floyd and any second set of jurors will have to undergo the same treatment that the first set of jurors received. The case is just too big and what those jurors dealt with is the least bad as we can expect with any trial moving forward. In this case, I'm willing to accept that "they did their best to protect the jurors from outside influence" as good enough. I can't expect much more from a second set of jurors nor from a second set of security team expected to keep them sheltered from the anti-Chauvin mob. They won't get it any easier than the first group got.

I also agree that he was overcharged. It was the fentanyl that killed George Floyd, not the kneeling. But I'm not going to bat for Chauvin for this because there was still a blatant disregard for Floyd's life. Floyd may well have died anyway, considering that he'd taken well over a lethal dose of fentanyl. But the man was already complaining that he couldn't breathe before he got knelt on. By all means arrest him. And if there is no way to increase oxygen intake, well that's also the breaks. Actively impeding oxygen intake was a blatant disregard for the man's life. Its not unreasonable to think there was a chance that he would have been able to survive his fentanyl overdose if he'd not been knelt on.

Chauvin deserved some retribution for willful negligence if nothing else.

On a practical level, the optics of pardoning such a high profile defendant as Chauvin is just political poison with no recognizable upside.

That's a far cry from beyond a reasonable doubt for second degree murder.

Floyd also had significant cardiovascular issues:

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Floyd had narrowed coronary arteries, known as atherosclerosis, and an enlarged heart due to his high blood pressure, or hypertension, Fowler said. Floyd’s fentanyl and methamphetamine use and a tumor known as a paraganglioma were other significant conditions that contributed to his death, he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/us/derek-chauvin-trial-george-floyd-day-13

His conviction of murder 2 was a miscarriage of justice.

[thegeneral 3,546]

13 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I can't think of a worse poster child than that Floyd loser. Libs still eat it up.  

I’d say the same thing about the jailbird cop.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,908]

Everyone here that has seen the complete body cam footage raise your hand. Thought so. 

[Voltaire 5,453]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

That's a far cry from beyond a reasonable doubt for second degree murder.

Floyd also had significant cardiovascular issues:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/us/derek-chauvin-trial-george-floyd-day-13

His conviction of murder 2 was a miscarriage of justice.

I agree. I was hoping for a lesser charge. 

But I am not going to bat for this guy, and certainly not this soon. He needs a good dozen years beyond what he would have gotten for manslaughter and willful negligence just to even start to consider re-opening this Pandora's box. Even the I'd say 'no' just to keep the peace if nothing else.

[5-Points 3,747]

Just now, Voltaire said:

I claim that Floyd's oxygen intake was impeded because it seems to me that his lungs' ability to expand and contract would have been seriously impaired due to them being squeezed between a ?190? (don't know Chauvin's weight) pound man and a concrete road for seven+ minutes.

 

I know that was the narrative at the time but the majority of Chauvin's weight appeared, to me, to be on the knee that was on the ground, not the knee that was on Floyd's shoulder. 

I suppose you could make the argument that it was hard for a guy that size to breathe while lying face down on the street, but he was combative when they tried to get him into the car. 

How else were they supposed to restrain him for his safety and their's? 

Putting him face down against the car with a cop between him and the street was for Floyd's safety. 

[Voltaire 5,453]

2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I know that was the narrative at the time but the majority of Chauvin's weight appeared, to me, to be on the knee that was on the ground, not the knee that was on Floyd's shoulder. 

I suppose you could make the argument that it was hard for a guy that size to breathe while lying face down on the street, but he was combative when they tried to get him into the car. 

How else were they supposed to restrain him for his safety and their's? 

Putting him face down against the car with a cop between him and the street was for Floyd's safety. 

When I was a kid, I'd fractured my right arm. So I went to the hospital and it was brutal. The X-Ray tech had me laying on the arm in this position, then this position and that one and another. and I was in horrible pain each time I moved, with my bodyweight pushing on my broken arm. It was a miserable experience.

Years later, it just so happens by coincidence that I was dating an X-Ray tech, and so I related to her this horrible story I had trauma in the X-Ray room when I was nine-years-old.

She tells me how that's awful what they had one to me. They're taught that in the case of a suspected break or fracture, to X-Ray the patient standing up. Well, that sure made a hell of a lot of sense to me.

Floyd had already been complaining about difficulty breathing BEFORE they knelt on him. Who thinks kneeling on a guy complaining that he can't breathe is a good idea and goes ahead and kneels on him anyway? Isn't there a second or third method available to get the guy to comply? It seems to me it would made sense to do whatever it is that is the policing equivalent of X-Raying him standing up.

[iam90sbaby 2,725]

5 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Release him already. He's in jail because some criminal died of a fentanyl overdose while in his custody, and that criminal just happens to be black.  

Yep, he did society a favor 

[5-Points 3,747]

30 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

When I was a kid, I'd fractured my right arm. So I went to the hospital and it was brutal. The X-Ray tech had me laying on the arm in this position, then this position and that one and another. and I was in horrible pain each time I moved, with my bodyweight pushing on my broken arm. It was a miserable experience.

Years later, it just so happens by coincidence that I was dating an X-Ray tech, and so I related to her this horrible story I had trauma in the X-Ray room when I was nine-years-old.

She tells me how that's awful what they had one to me. They're taught that in the case of a suspected break or fracture, to X-Ray the patient standing up. Well, that sure made a hell of a lot of sense to me.

Floyd had already been complaining about difficulty breathing BEFORE they knelt on him. Who thinks kneeling on a guy complaining that he can't breathe is a good idea and goes ahead and kneels on him anyway? Isn't there a second or third method available to get the guy to comply? It seems to me it would made sense to do whatever it is that is the policing equivalent of X-Raying him standing up.

It's my contention that Chauvin wasn't "kneeling on him" with his full body weight. 

He had one knee on the ground and one knee on Floyd. There's no way to determine how Chauvin's body weight was distributed and controlling the head of a combative individual is the best way to prevent them from getting up. Especially when they pose a danger to themselves as well as the police. If you can't lift your head, it's hard to get up and do something to put yourself, or others, at risk. 

He's done time he never should have done IMO.