Musk launches new political party

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https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/05/elon-musk-america-party-democrats-trump.html

The American Party.

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“It is obvious with the insane spending of this bill, which increases the debt ceiling by a record FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS that we live in a one-party country – the PORKY PIG PARTY!!” Musk said Monday. 

“Time for a new political party that actually cares about the people,” he said. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/05/elon-musk-america-party-democrats-trump.html

The American Party.

 

So you like him again? :headscratch:

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1 minute ago, SUXBNME said:

So you like him again? :headscratch:

What part of my post gives you any indication about whether I like him?

 

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Pity bump  

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Cool I’m in

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2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Cool I’m in

I might be as well.

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4 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

I might be as well.

Libertarian party itself is lame as fock. I’m small L libertarian though 

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I guess the Trump feud wasn’t fake after all

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1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Libertarian party itself is lame as fock. I’m small L libertarian though 

After supporting the party my whole life, I bailed on them after 2016.  Looking at an election featuring the 2 most unlikable candidates in history, every libertarian I knew wanted the party to go all in and gain a real foothold with voters.  They punted.  I had to walk away.  It’s not a serious party.

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22 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

They punted

Trump returned that punt 62 yards to the house.

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This is like trying to compete with the NFL. Forget it. 

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1 hour ago, MLCKAA said:

After supporting the party my whole life, I bailed on them after 2016.  Looking at an election featuring the 2 most unlikable candidates in history, every libertarian I knew wanted the party to go all in and gain a real foothold with voters.  They punted.  I had to walk away.  It’s not a serious party.

Agree. I was never part of the party. Just a Ron Paul supporter 

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2 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

After supporting the party my whole life, I bailed on them after 2016.  Looking at an election featuring the 2 most unlikable candidates in history, every libertarian I knew wanted the party to go all in and gain a real foothold with voters.  They punted.  I had to walk away.  It’s not a serious party.

That’s because they never understood what libertarianism is supposed to be about. A libertarian is, by definition, pro-choice, pro-free trade (no tariffs whatsoever) and open immigration, documents or not. If you’re not in favor of these things then you’re not a libertarian no matter what you call yourself. 

[Ron_Artest 1,533]

Looks like Elon got a taste of power and wants more.

Will be interesting to see how the magas that gobbled this dudes balls react to this now.

Still waiting for the Epstein drop.

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6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

That’s because they never understood what libertarianism is supposed to be about. A libertarian is, by definition, pro-choice, pro-free trade (no tariffs whatsoever) and open immigration, documents or not. If you’re not in favor of these things then you’re not a libertarian no matter what you call yourself. 

The LP position on immigration is that the legal immigration process needs to be “fair, reasonable and accessible.”  Not wide open and undocumented.  Free choice does not mean there is a single Libertarian opinion on abortion.

Edit to ask:  are you saying the libertarians I knew never understood libertarians or that the LP didn’t go all-in for 2016 because the LP never understood libertarianism?

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Looks like Elon got a taste of power and wants more.

Will be interesting to see how the magas that gobbled this dudes balls react to this now.

Still waiting for the Epstein drop.

No one cares about your gay fantasies

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8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

That’s because they never understood what libertarianism is supposed to be about. A libertarian is, by definition, pro-choice, pro-free trade (no tariffs whatsoever) and open immigration, documents or not. If you’re not in favor of these things then you’re not a libertarian no matter what you call yourself. 

Libertarianism is also by definition limited, constitutional government and personal responsibility. So....no Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security,  no gun control, very limited business regulations. So, I guess you can't be a libertarian if you don't believe all these things either, right?

You know,  you can identify with a political party and not agree with everything  they stand for. That goes for Democrat, Republicans, or any 3rd party.

By the way, the Libertarian party no longer espouses open borders. Since 9/11, they've been in favor of regulated immigration. 

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31 minutes ago, Thornton Melon said:

Libertarianism is also by definition limited, constitutional government and personal responsibility. So....no Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security,  no gun control, very limited business regulations. So, I guess you can't be a libertarian if you don't believe all these things either, right?

You know,  you can identify with a political party and not agree with everything  they stand for. That goes for Democrat, Republicans, or any 3rd party.

By the way, the Libertarian party no longer espouses open borders. Since 9/11, they've been in favor of regulated immigration. 

Seems like such a simple concept, no?  Yet Tim and a lot of board lefties can't seem to grasp it.  And this is the crux of the Democrat Party - they are a cult.  They are beholden to dogma and zealotry.  They can NEVER step out of line. Ever. 

Scientology only WISHES it had as brainwashed, dogmatic and zealous members as the Democrat Party does.

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2 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

The LP position on immigration is that the legal immigration process needs to be “fair, reasonable and accessible.”  Not wide open and undocumented.  Free choice does not mean there is a single Libertarian opinion on abortion.

Edit to ask:  are you saying the libertarians I knew never understood libertarians or that the LP didn’t go all-in for 2016 because the LP never understood libertarianism?

I can’t speak about the libertarians you know. I abandoned libertarianism about 15 years ago when many of its members turned anti-immigrant. 

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40 minutes ago, Thornton Melon said:

Libertarianism is also by definition limited, constitutional government and personal responsibility. So....no Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security,  no gun control, very limited business regulations. So, I guess you can't be a libertarian if you don't believe all these things either, right?

You know,  you can identify with a political party and not agree with everything  they stand for. That goes for Democrat, Republicans, or any 3rd party.

By the way, the Libertarian party no longer espouses open borders. Since 9/11, they've been in favor of regulated immigration. 

I’m aware. That’s why I left. I believe strongly in open immigration (not open borders exactly) and free trade. 

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How do I contact Elon to fund my campaign for Senate?*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* Joking of course, who wants to spend 6 years in Washington and flying back home only to be excoriated by an ignorantc press and a bunch of mouth breathers on the internet.  Of course it might be fun to challenge Fetterman for worst dressed.

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It'll be interesting to see what kind of impact this will have on the midterms. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I can’t speak about the libertarians you know. I abandoned libertarianism about 15 years ago when many of its members turned anti-immigrant. 

Then you were saying the LP didn’t go all-in for 2016 because the LP never understood libertarianism?

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13 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

After supporting the party my whole life, I bailed on them after 2016.  Looking at an election featuring the 2 most unlikable candidates in history, every libertarian I knew wanted the party to go all in and gain a real foothold with voters.  They punted.  I had to walk away.  It’s not a serious party.

To be fair, there isn't much they or any other party can do. Our country is too deeply rooted in a 2 party system and donation dollars reign supreme. Many people show up and vote blindly based on what mommy and daddy taught them growing up. Other parties or candidates on the ballot are just there for optics. 

It would take something monumental to change course and have a seriously contending 3rd party. Perhaps the current state of politics combined with enough $$$ power from someone like Musk and his likely backers could see this happen, but I can only imagine the heads that will explode if we have a literal rich executives party (even though thats basically what top level politicians are anyway)

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Regardless of what people think about Musk, a viable Third Party isn't a bad thing. Americans always seem to what more than two choice.   I imagine Musk will tailor his Party's view to us in the Center.  

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13 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I guess the Trump feud wasn’t fake after all

A Musk Party, if he's serious, will draw from both sides.  Granted, he's not exactly a favorite on either side of the political aisle right now...but there still is almost 50% of Americans who don't vote.  

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Why is Elon is shocked that Trump is adding trillions to the debt? Did he miss Don’s first term?

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9 minutes ago, zsasz said:

Regardless of what people think about Musk, a viable Third Party isn't a bad thing. Americans always seem to what more than two choice.   I imagine Musk will tailor his Party's view to us in the Center.  

Could be like the Ross Perot campaign from 1992. He seemed like he had a chance until he focked up up, most likely intentionally.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-says-hes-formed-001743315.html

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Fellow billionaire Mark Cuban appeared — not for the first time — to support the idea of a new party, replying to Musk's Saturday announcement with a series of fireworks and fire emojis.

He added in a separate post: "I work with @voterchoice. They will help you get on ballots. That is their mission."

SkyBridge Capital founder Anthony Scaramucci, who briefly served as White House communications director under Trump in 2017, also appeared interested in the party.

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Musk then proposed the idea of forming a new political party that represents the "80% in the middle."

Go centrists!

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31 minutes ago, zsasz said:

A Musk Party, if he's serious, will draw from both sides.  Granted, he's not exactly a favorite on either side of the political aisle right now...but there still is almost 50% of Americans who don't vote.  

He will get support from both sides but at the end of the day many will abandon and vote for their party to keep the other major party from winning.

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Big Beautiful Bill eliminates Zero Emission Vehicle tax credits and subsidies that made EVs cheaper.

Tesla made billions on credits in 2024 and probably wouldn’t have been profitable without them. EVs are also about to get more expensive.

Musk doesn’t care about the debt. He’s mad Tesla will be cut off from the gov’t teet.

This is the guy MAGAs trusted to cut waste.  

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5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Looks like Elon got a taste of power and wants more.

Will be interesting to see how the magas that gobbled this dudes balls react to this now.

Still waiting for the Epstein drop.

Simple.. they vote for Musk not  Trump in the next election.  Idiot.

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1 hour ago, zsasz said:

A Musk Party, if he's serious, will draw from both sides.  Granted, he's not exactly a favorite on either side of the political aisle right now...but there still is almost 50% of Americans who don't vote.  

It will, but I have to think he’s more aligned with Republicans at this point so I’d guess he’d pull more from them than Democrats . Although most Republicans will do whatever Trump says so if he says to turn on Elon then I’m sure they will.  Tough to say what will happen

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1 hour ago, Sandy Loam said:

It'll be interesting to see what kind of impact this will have on the midterms. 

Probably none.  Maga is Trump.  I don't think musk can recruit anyone.

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3 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Simple.. they vote for Musk not  Trump in the next election.  Idiot.

I don't think musk is running for anything nor do I think any significant numbers leave the maga party for the musk party.

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1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

To be fair, there isn't much they or any other party can do. Our country is too deeply rooted in a 2 party system and donation dollars reign supreme. Many people show up and vote blindly based on what mommy and daddy taught them growing up. Other parties or candidates on the ballot are just there for optics. 

It would take something monumental to change course and have a seriously contending 3rd party. Perhaps the current state of politics combined with enough $$$ power from someone like Musk and his likely backers could see this happen, but I can only imagine the heads that will explode if we have a literal rich executives party (even though thats basically what top level politicians are anyway)

I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying here.  What I wanted from the LP under the 2016 circumstances was to put all their resources behind a nationally recognizable, viable candidate so they could enter the mainstream conversation.

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Ranked voting fixes this two party system problem.

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Isn't he from South Africa?

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7 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying here.  What I wanted from the LP under the 2016 circumstances was to put all their resources behind a nationally recognizable, viable candidate so they could enter the mainstream conversation.

I understand, I'm just saying I doubt it would have been possible. Meaning I don't think they have the resources and I don't think they would have had a candidate with enough national appeal to stand a chance. Unless you wanted them to get a celebrity like Dwayne Johnson (I don't think thats what you meant).... Which i'm not even saying is a terrible idea... the 2 main issues with something like that would be

1. Trump has the celebrity businessman stigma and it would have just been copying that with a universally liked celebrity businessman. Maybe the anti typical politician movement is here to stay... not sure.

2. Celebs like Dwayne Johnson are going to run as democrats. I can't imagine anyone like that is going to waste their time running for an afterthought party, even if the ideals match up. 

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4 hours ago, kutulu said:

Isn't he from South Africa?

I don't think he'd be running for office.