Minnesota

[Reality 3,176]

11 minutes ago, MDC said:

Amendment 4 would be a good place for you to start.  

Trump has already said on several occasions he doesn’t have to uphold the Constitution btw. 

We were discussing Biden, try to keep up.  Glad I could educate you on the President's duties. Probably easier for you just to apologize, and move on. 

[Sean Mooney 2,090]

Yeah you can move on MDC.

Good news is you can just come back really quickly and pretend like it never happened.

[MDC 8,262]

Just now, Reality said:

Glad I could educate you on the President's duties. Probably easier for you just to apologize, and move on. 

You thought his main duty was to keep you safe. Like he’s Daddy, and you’re his little girl. 

[jerryskids 7,268]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Oh right, my bad.  Looks like there were 2 mass resignations.

Heres the story related to that tweet.

Mass exodus hits Justice Department's Civil Rights Division amid lack of action in Minneapolis, sources say - CBS News https://share.google/g9qCOXvXzF5DgDSfK

Several career prosecutors in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division announced they are leaving the department, shortly after they learned there would be no civil rights probe into the fatal shooting of a Minneapolis woman by a federal immigration agent, according to six sources briefed on the matter.

At least six prosecutors, most of whom are supervisors in the Civil Rights Division's criminal section, will be leaving their jobs. Their decision to depart was announced in a meeting to staff on Monday, the sources told CBS News.

The announcement came after CBS News reported on Friday that career prosecutors in the section had offered to drop all of their work to help investigate the Minneapolis shooting, but they were told there would be no criminal civil rights investigation.

Several sources told CBS that while most of those departing in the Civil Rights Division criminal section
are taking the early retirement option, the timing of the events in Minneapolis factored into their decision to make the announcement this week.

So, you were duped.  Thanks for owning it.   

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

In a survey by Quinnipiac University, days after 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good was shot and killed by a federal agent in Minneapolis, 53% said the shooting was not justified, and 35% said it was. Another 12% of respondents did not state an opinion.

On the topic of immigration in general, Americans by a 57-40 margin disapproved of the way ICE is operating.

A new NPR/Ipsos poll reveals that while Americans across the political spectrum want the U.S. to be a global moral leader, fewer believe it holds that title today. The survey highlights a significant gap: 61% of respondents believe the U.S. should be a moral leader, while 39% believe it actually is one. The latter figure shows a steep decline from 2017, when 60% of Americans viewed the nation as a moral leader in a similar survey.

As usual you maga idiots are the 1/3 of America.  You own this disaster.  You voted for it.  America hates it.  You're focked.

I saw these results yesterday and was initially surprised.  I mean, only an idiot would watch the various videos and walk away with the summary "he shot her in the face and called her a focking biotch."  That's ratard-level lack of context.  Anyway, I think there are two things at play for the 80% or so in the middle that don't follow this stuff closely.  One, I wonder how the questions are presented and specifically, how "justified" was interpreted.  Legally he was justified to shoot, but did she "deserve" it?  If people took it the second way, that would explain the results.

Two, the MSDNC has been vilifying ICE and DHS for a while.  You can argue they deserve it, I don't want to rehash that now, but the average person has been conditioned to think they are bad, which I'm sure influences these polls.

15 minutes ago, MDC said:

You thought his main duty was to keep you safe. Like he’s Daddy, and you’re his little girl. 

Umm, the entire economic platform of the Left is that it isn't your fault you are a failure, here, let Big Daddy Government protect you and give you free stuff that we took from the successful people.

[Ron_Artest 2,758]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I saw these results yesterday and was initially surprised.  I mean, only an idiot would watch the various videos and walk away with the summary "he shot her in the face and called her a focking biotch."  That's ratard-level lack of context.  Anyway, I think there are two things at play for the 80% or so in the middle that don't follow this stuff closely.  One, I wonder how the questions are presented and specifically, how "justified" was interpreted.  Legally he was justified to shoot, but did she "deserve" it?  If people took it the second way, that would explain the results.

In order for it to be "legally" justified then the agent would have had to have felt he had no other choice but to shoot her in the face.  Most people watching that video know that it's false, but all that is needed legally is for him to say he felt he had no other choice.

[Sean Mooney 2,090]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Two the MSDNC has been vilifying ICE and DHS for a while.  You can argue they deserve it, I don't want to rehash that now, but the average person has been conditioned to think they are bad, which I'm sure influences these polls.

Are the people who watch FOX News not the average person?

FOX News is watched by 2.8 million people on the average daily. MSNOW is 937K. 

 

I think the bigger thing is- a lot of people aren't affected by spin one way or another. They just read and see what is happening and recognize that while some of what we are doing is right in principle...the way we are going about it is insane. 

[MDC 8,262]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Umm, the entire economic platform of the Left is that it isn't your fault you are a failure, here, let Big Daddy Government protect you and give you free stuff that we took from the successful people.

I take it you’re also okay with ICE demanding people show their papers and detaining / abducting folks for no reason? 

[Reality 3,176]

45 minutes ago, MDC said:

You thought his main duty was to keep you safe. Like he’s Daddy, and you’re his little girl. 

Gun thrown, on to the next.

[dogcows 1,436]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

"he shot her in the face and called her a focking biotch." 

That is literally what happened. Nothing false about this at all.

But it isn’t framed the way YOU want it to be. You want to discuss context? Others have given LOTS of context. But it seems like you’re only interested very specific bits of it  

[Fnord 2,710]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Two, the MSDNC has been vilifying ICE and DHS for a while.  You can argue they deserve it, I don't want to rehash that now, but the average person has been conditioned to think they are bad, which I'm sure influences these polls.

Or folks could be paying attention to the actions of ICE, completely independent of any type of media consumption habits, and come to the conclusion on their own that ICE (at least in current form) is indeed bad. I know it blows narratives apart if we ever admit there are still Americans capable of making up their own minds, but I'm here to tell ya, we're all capable when pushed. Not to mention that our esteemed CIC is excellent at alienating literally everyone that doesn't profess complete fealty.

Some of the young (non-white, natch) people that work under me are scared. There was an incident in a parking ramp last week with ICE; the same ramp they park in while at work. They're walking out of work in packs in case there's trouble. Their white coworkers are in full solidarity. These folks (mostly under 30) weren't political, but after seeing all of this, how do you think they're gonna vote?

Any hope you had of unseating Dems over fraud has been fully wiped out by the Don's authoritarian impulses. And he's going to make things worse.

[Engorgeous George 2,365]

42 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Or folks could be paying attention to the actions of ICE, completely independent of any type of media consumption habits, and come to the conclusion on their own that ICE (at least in current form) is indeed bad. I know it blows narratives apart if we ever admit there are still Americans capable of making up their own minds, but I'm here to tell ya, we're all capable when pushed. Not to mention that our esteemed CIC is excellent at alienating literally everyone that doesn't profess complete fealty.

Some of the young (non-white, natch) people that work under me are scared. There was an incident in a parking ramp last week with ICE; the same ramp they park in while at work. They're walking out of work in packs in case there's trouble. Their white coworkers are in full solidarity. These folks (mostly under 30) weren't political, but after seeing all of this, how do you think they're gonna vote?

Any hope you had of unseating Dems over fraud has been fully wiped out by the Don's authoritarian impulses. And he's going to make things worse.

Hysteria is catching.  Perception of risk or danger is effected if not determined by the echo chamber in which one lives which includes not only the media one consumes but the circle of friends with which one associates.  The partisan back and forth of the last two decades and the last few years in particular has driven many to accept an orthodoxy on one side or another and to hear nothing else. Objective reality such as it ever was has been completely replaced with partisan reality meaning their are two very divergent realities now.  I do not see an end to the chasm of perception.

[Fireballer 2,711]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

In order for it to be "legally" justified then the agent would have had to have felt he had no other choice but to shoot her in the face. 

Not how it works.  No wonder your takes are so bad. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,231]

This place is such a right wing echo chamber. 

[Ron_Artest 2,758]

27 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Not how it works.  No wonder your takes are so bad. 

Tell me how it works, counselor.

[jerryskids 7,268]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

In order for it to be "legally" justified then the agent would have had to have felt he had no other choice but to shoot her in the face.  Most people watching that video know that it's false, but all that is needed legally is for him to say he felt he had no other choice.

Is that what the law says, Mr. Objectivity?  I think it's more like reasonable concern for the safety of himself and/or others.  That pesky lurching forward and hitting him with the car is so unfortunate for your narrative.  Speaking of context:

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

That is literally what happened. Nothing false about this at all.

But it isn’t framed the way YOU want it to be. You want to discuss context? Others have given LOTS of context. But it seems like you’re only interested very specific bits of it  

Bless your heart.  I didn't say it was false.  Yes, I want to discuss context.  You clearly don't, since you posted that first idiotic paragraph.

 

1 hour ago, MDC said:

I take it you’re also okay with ICE demanding people show their papers and detaining / abducting folks for no reason? 

What is this red herring now?   I was discussing your utter lack of self-awareness regarding your party and its reliance on help from Big Daddy government. 

And I oppose anything any government agency does which is illegal.  HTH.

[MDC 8,262]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What is this red herring now?   I was discussing your utter lack of self-awareness regarding your party and its reliance on help from Big Daddy government. 

And I oppose anything any government agency does which is illegal.  HTH.

Expecting the government your tax dollars fund to provide (for example) Medicare or SNAP benefits is like thinking it’s alright for jackbooted thugs to walk around detaining people with no warrant or cause?

You were saying something about red herrings?  

[Strike 6,138]

So the agent Renee Good tried to slaughter with her car suffered internal bleeding, but hey he wasn't in danger AT ALL!!!!

https://x.com/CBSNews/status/2011466240527655076?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

[MDC 8,262]

Just now, Strike said:

So the agent Renee Good tried to slaughter with her car suffered internal bleeding, but hey he wasn't in danger AT ALL!!!!

https://x.com/CBSNews/status/2011466240527655076?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Tried to slaughter, lol

[HellToupee 2,384]

5 minutes ago, MDC said:

Tried to slaughter, lol

Yup

 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,231]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

So the agent Renee Good tried to slaughter with her car suffered internal bleeding, but hey he wasn't in danger AT ALL!!!!

https://x.com/CBSNews/status/2011466240527655076?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

You just have to wait these things out and the lefts narrative crumbles. 

[Ron_Artest 2,758]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

So the agent Renee Good tried to slaughter with her car suffered internal bleeding, but hey he wasn't in danger AT ALL!!!!

https://x.com/CBSNews/status/2011466240527655076?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Sure he did.  He was very injured!

[Ron_Artest 2,758]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

You just have to wait these things out and the lefts narrative crumbles. 

We have the video, no narrative needed.

[Strike 6,138]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

You just have to wait these things out and the lefts narrative crumbles. 

Yep. And Trolly Artest pretends it didn't happen.  He's like that kid that puts his fingers in his ears and goes "lalalalalalalalalalalalalalala" 

[nobody 2,979]

42 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Is that what the law says, Mr. Objectivity?  I think it's more like reasonable concern for the safety of himself and/or others.  That pesky lurching forward and hitting him with the car is so unfortunate for your narrative.  

"...and/or others" is an underrated nuance to the law in this case.  

When the wokie committed the incredibly reckless and dangerous maneuver with her vehicle, his fellow agent was still holding on to the vehicle and was also in danger.  Thankfully the other agent was able to safely disengage, but by that time, events were already in motion.

[jerryskids 7,268]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Sure he did.  He was very injured!

The 5000 pound projectile just nudged him!  We have the video!  Also the still shots!!!

Tell us you know nothing about physical activity without telling us you know nothing about physical activity.

[jerryskids 7,268]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

"...and/or others" is an underrated nuance to the law.  

When the wokie committed the incredibly reckless and dangerous maneuver with her vehicle, his fellow agent was still holding on to the vehicle and was also in danger.  Thankfully the other agent was able to safely disengage, but by that time, events were already in motion.

NANANANANA that doesn't matter it was MMUUUURRRDDDDEEEERRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!   

[nobody 2,979]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

The 5000 pound projectile just nudged him!  We have the video!  Also the still shots!!!

Tell us you know nothing about physical activity without telling us you know nothing about physical activity.

Remember when they saw the exact same videos and were claiming the car never hit him at all at first?  

[MDC 8,262]

13 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Yup

 

Tried to slaughter lol  

[Ron_Artest 2,758]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

"...and/or others" is an underrated nuance to the law in this case.  

When the wokie committed the incredibly reckless and dangerous maneuver with her vehicle, his fellow agent was still holding on to the vehicle and was also in danger.  Thankfully the other agent was able to safely disengage, but by that time, events were already in motion.

Yeah I'm so glad that the other agent was able to let go of the door handle safely.  Surely those 3 bullets in this woman's face while she was driving away meant the difference between life and death for that agent.

[thegeneral 3,828]

20 minutes ago, Strike said:

So the agent Renee Good tried to slaughter with her car suffered internal bleeding, but hey he wasn't in danger AT ALL!!!!

https://x.com/CBSNews/status/2011466240527655076?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

[Ron_Artest 2,758]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The 5000 pound projectile just nudged him!  We have the video!  Also the still shots!!!

Tell us you know nothing about physical activity without telling us you know nothing about physical activity.

physical activity?  I'm pretty sure I'm more physically active than you tough guy.

But yeah you can see how he's walking around normally after killing her that he is clearly near death.

[jerryskids 7,268]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

Remember when they saw the exact same videos and were claiming the car never hit him at all at first?  

Honestly, I don't like going down this path, because it implies that the car would have to have hit him for him to have been justified to shoot, which is not correct.  

[nobody 2,979]

I guess I don't understand why it's too much to ask people don't put people's lives in danger with their vehicle.

I mean whether you think the officer felt his life was in danger or not, his life was in danger.  I mean driving a vehicle inches from someone on an icy street is extremely dangerous.  Can we at least agree on that?  

[nobody 2,979]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Honestly, I don't like going down this path, because it implies that the car would have to have hit him for him to have been justified to shoot, which is not correct.  

Agreed 

My point is we all are watching the same videos and everyone is "clearly" seeing completely different things.

[MDC 8,262]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Honestly, I don't like going down this path, because it implies that the car would have to have hit him for him to have been justified to shoot, which is not correct.  

The first batch of videos were unclear to me whether the officer was hit or had his hands on the hood and his feet slid when it moved. I’ll totally concede based on later videos that he was hit (I’d say clipped but whatever) and would’ve been legally justified to fire even if he wasn’t.

No serious person thinks this woman was trying to run him down.  

[thegeneral 3,828]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

I guess I don't understand why it's too much to ask people don't put people's lives in danger with their vehicle.

I mean whether you think the officer felt his life was in danger or not, his life was in danger.  I mean driving a vehicle inches from someone on an icy street is extremely dangerous.  Can we at least agree on that?  

Is it too much to ask cops not to escalate this in the way they did? What danger was this lady creating.

[jerryskids 7,268]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

physical activity?  I'm pretty sure I'm more physically active than you tough guy.

But yeah you can see how he's walking around normally after killing her that he is clearly near death.

I should have said athletic activity, specifically those which require reaction.  IIRC you run a lot, that doesn't count, as you clearly don't understand reaction times.

[nobody 2,979]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

But yeah you can see how he's walking around normally after killing her that he is clearly near death.

Non-athlete

Doesn't understand how adrenaline can help you perform through injury.

[nobody 2,979]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Is it too much to ask cops not to escalate this in the way they did? What danger was this lady creating.

So we agree!  Yessssss!

[jerryskids 7,268]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

The first batch of videos were unclear to me whether the officer was hit or had his hands on the hood and his feet slid when it moved. I’ll totally concede that he was hit (I’d say clipped but whatever) and would’ve been legally justified to fire even if he wasn’t.

No serious person thinks this woman was trying to run him down.  

I've repeatedly said I don't think she was trying to hit him.  I, like you, have had the luxury of analyzing multiple videos after the fact, from the comfort of my office chair, to form that opinion.