Everyone thinks the Browns will be in the running for worst team. Why?

[nobody 2,870]

And I'm not here to say they're going to be great or anything, but they won 3 games last year, but they essentially were playing without a quarterback for most of the season.  

I mean they had Watson for the 7 games who isn't even an NFL caliber player any more and went 1-6.  Then they switched to Jameis for 7 games and went 2-5, but at least he was approaching competent.  And then of course they went 0-3 with Baily Zappe and Dorian Thompson Robinson.

Well they still have a top 10 defense.  And now they have a competent QB in Flacco.  This is easily a 6 win team. If they were in the AFC South, they could win the division.

Saints will be worse.  Colts will be worse.  Jets will be worse.  People think the Raiders are going to be good for some reason, but they have no defense.  

Last I looked the O/U on win total is 4.5.  They'll easily beat that.  Make that money.

[cmh6476 1,115]

can judkins play yet?

[jrokh 615]

Still hasn’t signed. Expected this week.

[JagFan 192]

You lost me at Flacco.  I think you answered your own question.  Even if they did have a competent QB, vs a game manager, who are the weapons?  Saints will be bad for sure, but the jury is still out on which of them will be worse.  Jets got two times better by subtraction…Rodgers sucks.  Colts have playmakers in J Taylor, Downs, and Pittman.  They added a great playmaker in Warren.  Danny Dimes makes them better than they were.  Again, it’s Cleveland.  That can’t even sign their first round pick, and they drafted two very talented QBs that they will do a two-for in ruining them simultaneously.

[TBayXXXVII 2,659]

The Browns will probably win 4 or 5 games.  They won't be as bad as the Saints, Giants, or Titans.

[Maximum Overkill 2,409]

59 minutes ago, JagFan said:

You lost me at Flacco.  I think you answered your own question.  Even if they did have a competent QB, vs a game manager, who are the weapons?  Saints will be bad for sure, but the jury is still out on which of them will be worse.  Jets got two times better by subtraction…Rodgers sucks.  Colts have playmakers in J Taylor, Downs, and Pittman.  They added a great playmaker in Warren.  Danny Dimes makes them better than they were.  Again, it’s Cleveland.  That can’t even sign their first round pick, and they drafted two very talented QBs that they will do a two-for in ruining them simultaneously.

Don't laugh but I think the Colts win that division. It's hot garbage  

[JagFan 192]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Don't laugh but I think the Colts win that division. It's hot garbage  

It’s definitely a division anyone can win.

[weepaws 3,323]

4 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Don't laugh but I think the Colts win that division. It's hot garbage  

Agreed, I would add the Texans, I think those two will be one and two in a horrible division.  

[polecatt 485]

It's the Browns...

Any given year, if I didn't know a thing about any team in the NFL, the Browns would be one of the first 3 teams I thought of for worst team.

There's lots of history to back it up. Some teams, no matter what, good players and coaches or not, always seem to lose. The only other teams I can really think of on par are the Lions and the Jets. 

The Browns this season, have a gigantic clusterfock at QB. Somehow, a 40 year old Joe Flacco is their best bet, easily. All anyone seems to care about on the team is a 5th round pick who may as well be a social media star as opposed to a QB. 

[LaChup 256]

I'm not here to say the Browns are going to bad, I'm here to say they are going to be horrible.

Shedeur isn't even the best player at his family get togethers.

[kilroy69 1,268]

4 hours ago, JagFan said:

You lost me at Flacco.  I think you answered your own question.  Even if they did have a competent QB, vs a game manager, who are the weapons?  Saints will be bad for sure, but the jury is still out on which of them will be worse.  Jets got two times better by subtraction…Rodgers sucks.  Colts have playmakers in J Taylor, Downs, and Pittman.  They added a great playmaker in Warren.  Danny Dimes makes them better than they were.  Again, it’s Cleveland.  That can’t even sign their first round pick, and they drafted two very talented QBs that they will do a two-for in ruining them simultaneously.

The saints are tanking this year AND next if need be for Arch. I do not care what his record is at the end of the season for arch. 

[Ray_T 784]

3 hours ago, polecatt said:

It's the Browns...

Any given year, if I didn't know a thing about any team in the NFL, the Browns would be one of the first 3 teams I thought of for worst team.

There's lots of history to back it up. Some teams, no matter what, good players and coaches or not, always seem to lose. The only other teams I can really think of on par are the Lions and the Jets. 

The Browns this season, have a gigantic clusterfock at QB. Somehow, a 40 year old Joe Flacco is their best bet, easily. All anyone seems to care about on the team is a 5th round pick who may as well be a social media star as opposed to a QB. 

honestly, Flacco knows how to run an offense.   but if Flacco starts playing well, they will bench him for one of the youngsters on the roster.  its the Cleveland way.

I have almost zero faith in management in cleveland.

they signed a QB who was out of football a full year and was accused of molesting massage practicioners and given that baggage, they had the nerve to fully guarantee his contract anyways.    Now in salary cap jail the team is hooped for years due to that stupid signing.

and this is just one of many dumb moves that team has made.    

[nobody 2,870]

On 9/2/2025 at 1:15 PM, JagFan said:

Jets got two times better by subtraction…Rodgers sucks.  

Damn... You made them two times better by subtraction?  That's cold for Rodgers.   

[JagFan 192]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

Damn... You made them two times better by subtraction?  That's cold for Rodgers.   

Truth hurts

[nobody 2,870]

22 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

The saints are tanking this year AND next if need be for Arch. I do not care what his record is at the end of the season for arch. 

As a saints fan, I don't even want Arch.  I'm tired of these guys with famous names getting overrated.  Give me Nussmeier over him.  Although I think this much ballyhooed QB class isn't as good as people think.

[LaChup 256]

Take a listen to their female Assistant GM's recent psychobabble and you will understand why they are in the running for worst team.

 

https://www.tiktok.com/@browns/video/7545606139904412983

[SaintsInDome2006 617]

The secret to FF is getting premium players at cheap prices and what always happens is some new Coach or OC or player changes the system. Old dysfunction causes assumptions in performance, then results exceed expectations then it takes a while for owners to believe & in that gap you grab players who excel. The Browns had tons of dysfunction at QB last year, now they might have some stability. If Flacco does well, the Browns will do well. But if it’s not them it will be some other team busting out.

[Emerson's Boozers 1]

Of course they are in the running to be the worst team. They are every year. Certain franchises just don't get it.

[MDC 7,843]

Cleveland was dead last in scoring and 27th in points allowed per game. They don’t have a single offensive player you need to game plan against and play in a rough division. CLE opens the year against the Bengals, Ravens, Packers, Lions, Vikings, and Steelers. They’ll be lucky to start 1-5 and probably go 5-12 at best.

They may not be the worst team in football but I’m very sure they’ll be picking in the Top 5 next year.

[Skinny_Bastard 159]

Tank for Archie? 

[nobody 2,870]

They'll easily win 6 games.  I wouldn't be surprised if they beat Cincy this weekend.  In fact I'm picking it.

[JagFan 192]

I’m adding the Chiefs to the list of contenders for the worst team.  

[Maximum Overkill 2,409]

8 hours ago, JagFan said:

I’m adding the Chiefs to the list of contenders for the worst team.  

Agree. It's going to be a rough year for the Chiefs. They got way too lucky last season in 1 score games. 

[Ray_T 784]

On 9/6/2025 at 5:45 AM, Maximum Overkill said:

Agree. It's going to be a rough year for the Chiefs. They got way too lucky last season in 1 score games. 

i dont think they will be THAT bad. but I definitely think the results in their games last year were better than they collectively played as a whole.

[weepaws 3,323]

Do you add the Gmen? 

[cmh6476 1,115]

On 9/2/2025 at 12:58 PM, nobody said:

Saints will be worse.  Colts will be worse.  Jets will be worse. 

2 out of 3 ain't bad.  

[nobody 2,870]

1 hour ago, cmh6476 said:

2 out of 3 ain't bad.  

Didn't see Indiana Jones coming.  That's for damn sure.

[Drogon 24]

57 minutes ago, nobody said:

Didn't see Indiana Jones coming.  That's for damn sure.

I don't think anybody did.  Anthony Richardson certainly didn't.

[weepaws 3,323]

8 minutes ago, Drogon said:

I don't think anybody did.  Anthony Richardson certainly didn't.

Not true, many thought they would be better with Jones, he’s proven that, Richardson isn’t an nfl Qb.  

[Ray_T 784]

6 hours ago, weepaws said:

Not true, many thought they would be better with Jones, he’s proven that, Richardson isn’t an nfl Qb.  

the bar was pretty low.  Its not like Richardson was a world beater.

but.... Jones has been pretty decent in this offense.  I'll definitely give credit where credit is due.  put the guy behind a line that actually can block and the results are like night and day compared to where he was previously.  we learned this lesson the year before with Sequon.  

Yet do we see the giants loading up on O line guys?    I still see a crappy line.   They just dont get it.

[nobody 2,870]

18 hours ago, Drogon said:

I don't think anybody did.  Anthony Richardson certainly didn't.

AR seeing it even less now that he poked his eye out with a resistance band.