Charlie Kirk was just shot

[supermike80 2,017]

Just now, Sandy Loam said:

Right there with you. The MAGAs here keep calling me liberal but have yet to produce a shred of evidence I have repeatedly challenged them to post. They think anyone who disagrees with Trump and MAGA is liberal. So dumb!

Why is it that liberals always have an issue SAYING they are liberal?   Is it offensive to them?

[Hawkeye21 2,432]

12 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It’s wild this occurs but it comes back to he is a crazy person, we have access to guns, we live in a free society. There will be like 15 more school shootings this year. 

We've always had guns.  There was a time when we had fully automatic guns as well.  What's changed is our culture.  There was a time when people never even considered shooting up a school but now it's become a popular way for certain people to express their hate.

Sometimes I wish I studied more about psychology in school.  It has always interested me.

[HellToupee 1,981]

3 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Kid was groomed by MSM and liberal professors.  Most photos were from earlier life.  Alphabet people have apparently struck again. 
 

 

This is a national emergency and must be addressed 

[BrahmaBulls 828]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

We're still at zero.

Your IQ?

[supermike80 2,017]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I think people need to look at what’s happening with young men & guns. Roof, Butler, Robinson, etc etc. As a country we can’t bring ourselves to be objective about it.

I agree with this.   I do.  Guns are definitely a problem and I won't say they are not.  I don't think they are *the* problem.  Like Hawkeye said earlier.  We have always had guns.  It's the people who are now using them in ways that are destructive.  This needs to be addressed.  Trying to eliminate guns wont do it.  Not a chance

[Sandy Loam 288]

37 minutes ago, Strike said:

That is but one meaning.  Banned alias Artest's name has only one.

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel of nits to pick. 

[Tree of Knowledge 2,016]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Still a big problem, the guns.  Any "normal" kid that hated Charlie Kirk wouldn't have the training or access to guns to pull this off.  Maybe stop "indoctrinating" your kids into gun culture.

The father probably introduced him to guns to make him more manly and less likely to go ghay. 

[SaintsInDome2006 468]

27 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I just read this on X.  Not sure how factual it is.

FBI confirmed the bullet casings of Tyler Robinson had the words “Hey Fascist, catch this”. Which party called Christian Charlie Kirk “fascist.” Family admits Robinson became radicalized after going to college, and expressed hate against Kirk.

You can be conservative & think Kirk is fascist.

I *have heard of Utah Valley University. It turns out it has a major national security program there. It’s pretty conservative from my one listening of an interview of a professor who teaches there. This isn’t Berkeley.

[Hawkeye21 2,432]

2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Why is it that liberals always have an issue SAYING they are liberal?   Is it offensive to them?

I'm guessing it's because they don't like being labeled.  Not everyone you call a liberal is actually a liberal.  Just because they don't agree with you doesn't make them a liberal.

[GobbleDog 1,006]

Halloween is just around the corner!   Maga hat, some blood, a sign reading "I love the 2nd amendment"...

Charlie Kirk costumes!  

[Hawkeye21 2,432]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

You can be conservative & think Kirk is fascist.

I *have heard of Utah Valley University. It turns out it has a major national security program there. It’s pretty conservative from my one listening of  an interview of a professor who teaches there.

Do you think Kirk was a fascist?

[SaintsInDome2006 468]

2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I agree with this.   I do.  Guns are definitely a problem and I won't say they are not.  I don't think they are *the* problem.  Like Hawkeye said earlier.  We have always had guns.  It's the people who are now using them in ways that are destructive.  This needs to be addressed.  Trying to eliminate guns wont do it.  Not a chance

Thanks. Really it’s about lost young men.

[Sandy Loam 288]

3 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Why is it that liberals always have an issue SAYING they are liberal?   Is it offensive to them?

I don't know of any liberals who have an issue with calling themselves liberal. 

MAGAs incorrectly label moderates as liberals and then dumbly expect them to own that label. 

[squistion 2,361]

7 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Why is it that liberals always have an issue SAYING they are liberal?   Is it offensive to them?

No, but it has over the years become loaded with additional meaning from hearing folks saying for decades "liberal/marxist/communist" etc.

I don't find the term offensive, although I generally describe myself as "progressive" rather than liberal. 

[thegeneral 3,383]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

We've always had guns.  There was a time when we had fully automatic guns as well.  What's changed is our culture.  There was a time when people never even considered shooting up a school but now it's become a popular way for certain people to express their hate.

Sometimes I wish I studied more about psychology in school.  It has always interested me.

We have definitely gotten more violent and even though 99.99% of the population can handle this that remaining percentage’ of crazy people is a big number. Don’t see this going backwards. 

[Hawkeye21 2,432]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thanks. Really it’s about lost young men.

We need a culture shift.  We need better leadership.  We need less division.

[Sean Mooney 2,010]

12 minutes ago, Strike said:

But........

Yeah I said the fan wasn't some innocent person like you tried to paint it as.

 

[SaintsInDome2006 468]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Do you think Kirk was a fascist?

No I don’t. But Robinson is 22. It’s a loose slope to talk about views promoting authoritarian, statist, personality led government & ‘fascism.’ The kid is from SW Utah. They are major libertarians out there. The dad is almost certainly very conservative & I’m guessing the kid was brought up conservative.

Fwiw I’ve spent time in that part of Utah the last 2 years, including just a couple weeks ago. This ain’t Brooklyn.

[Horseman 2,663]

13 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Still a big problem, the guns.  Any "normal" kid that hated Charlie Kirk wouldn't have the training or access to guns to pull this off.  Maybe stop "indoctrinating" your kids into gun culture.

Smart to pivot to mentally ill. Stupid to pivot to guns.  This wasn't even an assault rifle.  

[TheNewGirl 1,566]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

We've always had guns.  There was a time when we had fully automatic guns as well.  What's changed is our culture.  There was a time when people never even considered shooting up a school but now it's become a popular way for certain people to express their hate.

Sometimes I wish I studied more about psychology in school.  It has always interested me.

There are so many layers to this, I had a huge response typed out but I really don't want the backlash. 

Our young mens brains (or just young people in general) are just being screwed up from the age of 2 and older. Give 'em an iPad. Don't teach them what it feels like to lose a game, or get bullied. They have a complete lack of emotional intelligence. You can't figure out how to discuss or debate? Call them names. That doesn't work? Beat them up, or go destroy something, that will make you feel better. That doesn't work? Go kill someone just because. Go make a name for yourself, etc. 

It ALL starts with young brain development and emotional intelligence. Add feminism, social media, health care and lack of other resources and there are a lot of people out there who just do NOT think about their actions and consequences. 

[SaintsInDome2006 468]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

We need a culture shift.  We need better leadership.  We need less division.

Yep 100%.

[Sean Mooney 2,010]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

We need a culture shift.  We need better leadership.  We need less division.

And as I said in the political violence thread- unfortunately this will not happen because we've allowed outrage to be commodified. 

[thegeneral 3,383]

8 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Why is it that liberals always have an issue SAYING they are liberal?   Is it offensive to them?

This is an outlandish thing to say.

In general people have a problem when fockwits say stuff like “all duh liberals are killers and ruining muh America” not with being called a liberal. 

 

[Horseman 2,663]

Maga family. 

Proof they're coming for your kids to radicalize them.   

[HellToupee 1,981]

14 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

He was wearing a Trump costume in 2017.  Enough dude, just man up and admit he's a psychopath and stop trying to blame "leftists" for every psychopath that murders someone.

[Hawkeye21 2,432]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

There are so many layers to this, I had a huge response typed out but I really don't want the backlash. 

Our young mens brains (or just young people in general) are just being screwed up from the age of 2 and older. Give 'em an iPad. Don't teach them what it feels like to lose a game, or get bullied. They have a complete lack of emotional intelligence. You can't figure out how to discuss or debate? Call them names. That doesn't work? Beat them up, or go destroy something, that will make you feel better. That doesn't work? Go kill someone just because. Go make a name for yourself, etc. 

It ALL starts with young brain development and emotional intelligence. Add feminism, social media, health care and lack of other resources and there are a lot of people out there who just do NOT think about their actions and consequences. 

I agree with you 100%.  My wife is a teacher and I hear stories about it all the time.  Kids have no idea how to deal with life anymore.  They rarely have consequences for their actions.  Like I said, we need a culture shift.

[Ron 'Tator Salad' White 121]

28 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Social media. 

Reddit for sure cesspool 

[TheNewGirl 1,566]

9 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I agree with this.   I do.  Guns are definitely a problem and I won't say they are not.  I don't think they are *the* problem.  Like Hawkeye said earlier.  We have always had guns.  It's the people who are now using them in ways that are destructive.  This needs to be addressed.  Trying to eliminate guns wont do it.  Not a chance

Guns are a problem, but not THE problem. The issue is emotional intelligence and the ability to react appropriately. Lots of people with borderline personality disorders and other types of mental issues that deal with emotions. 

 

What exactly is "gun culture?" 

 

[Hawkeye21 2,432]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

And as I said in the political violence thread- unfortunately this will not happen because we've allowed outrage to be commodified. 

It would help if we changed how we vote.  We keep voting in the wrong people.  We have no real leadership.

[SaintsInDome2006 468]

There’s also a separate national security problem. Basically public figures in the open air are vulnerable at 200 yards. 

[Ron_Artest 1,840]

14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

We've always had guns.  There was a time when we had fully automatic guns as well.  What's changed is our culture.  There was a time when people never even considered shooting up a school but now it's become a popular way for certain people to express their hate.

Sometimes I wish I studied more about psychology in school.  It has always interested me.

Same here.

One of my daughters is a psych major.  I love listening to her tell me about her classes, we have great conversations.

[Horseman 2,663]

18 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

He was wearing a Trump costume in 2017.  Enough dude, just man up and admit he's a psychopath and stop trying to blame "leftists" for every psychopath that murders someone.

Family says he was "radicalized". We need to stop that. You don't want to.  That's what makes you part of the problem.  

[Sean Mooney 2,010]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It would help if we changed how we vote.  We keep voting in the wrong people.  We have no real leadership.

The people on top don't want that though. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,412]

7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

No I don’t. But Robinson is 22. It’s a loose slope to talk about views promoting authoritarian, statist, personality led government & ‘fascism.’ The kid is from SW Utah. They are major libertarians out there. The dad is almost certainly very conservative & I’m guessing the kid was brought up conservative.

Fwiw I’ve spent time in that part of Utah the last 2 years, including just a couple weeks ago. This ain’t Brooklyn.

I was brought up very liberal, and I am far from it

 

[thegeneral 3,383]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

There’s also a separate national security problem. Basically public figures in the open air are vulnerable at 200 yards. 

And that’s a problem that is really hard to address.

Shitheads like this little twat who can’t hack it ruin it for everyone. 

[Horseman 2,663]

You know who becomes psychologists?  Crazy people.  

[Sean Mooney 2,010]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

There’s also a separate national security problem. Basically public figures in the open air are vulnerable at 200 yards. 

Turning Point put out something yesterday saying Kirk had hundreds of death threats against him for his views.

And you didn't think to give him extra security at any point or take more precautions? 

[TheNewGirl 1,566]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I agree with you 100%.  My wife is a teacher and I hear stories about it all the time.  Kids have no idea how to deal with life anymore.  They rarely have consequences for their actions.  Like I said, we need a culture shift.

If you watch toddlers with little verbal ability react to situations, you can see how and why we become stunted by the lack of actual social interaction. 

Toddler doesn't get his way? He hits. He screams. He bites. He throws things. 

Without proper emotional development, this toddler grows in to a person who has no idea what to do with how he feels.  It just amplifies. 

There are SO many having mental health crises, it doesn't always end in shootings or whatever. But it's because they just don't have the emotional where with all, and sometimes the support around them to try and help them understand. 

[Hawkeye21 2,432]

Just now, Horseman said:

You know who becomes psychologists?  Crazy people.  

I definitely would not want to be a psychologist.

[Cdub100 3,976]

Nothing will change. 

It has to get worse. People need to be uncomfortable. Everyone will go watch sports ball this weekend. Come Monday everyone will have moved on. 

Bread and circus.