edjr 6,730 Posted 8 hours ago Quote ESPN's Adam Schefter, it sounds like Burrow's toe injury is going to require surgery that will "sideline him a minimum of three months." If that doesn't sound like basically the whole 2025 season, I don't know what does. But maybe rehab after surgery gets him in really late in the year. Seems like Jake Browning is the starter going forward, which makes sense -- he's played decently well in place of Burrow. But if the Bengals don't think he can do it for the next 15 games? They have some options for a trade. Let's run through them. Kirk Cousins to the courtesy phone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,292 Posted 8 hours ago The next Andrew Luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,614 Posted 8 hours ago 5 minutes ago, edjr said: Kirk Cousins to the courtesy phone It's worse in 2 QB leagues. Ugh. I have him and Stroud as my starters. Not easy to get 2 quality starters and backup. I'll be going with Stroud and Young for a couple months, it looks like. I'll try to pick up Browning, but we'll see. Have Dillon Gabriel. Maybe he gets the job soon and I have options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,700 Posted 8 hours ago 8 minutes ago, edjr said: Kirk Cousins to the courtesy phone Those cheap bastards? I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,730 Posted 8 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Those cheap bastards? I doubt it. Jameis Who Winston it is!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frank 2,325 Posted 8 hours ago I avoided Burrow last year because I just didn’t want to have him again. I drafted him in the third this year. Lamar was still available. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,614 Posted 8 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: The next Andrew Luck. Maybe. They're doing a VERY poor job of protecting their investment. I'm am amazed at how much they've spent on a roster that can't protect their QB and can't stop even the Jaguars offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,614 Posted 8 hours ago 17 minutes ago, edjr said: Kirk Cousins to the courtesy phone 8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Those cheap bastards? I doubt it. Browning is just as good as Cousins is at this point in time. Plus, they'd have to trade for Cousins, he's still on the Falcons roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,730 Posted 8 hours ago Just now, TBayXXXVII said: Browning is just as good as Cousins is at this point in time. Plus, they'd have to trade for Cousins, he's still on the Falcons roster. Not to sound like a richard.. BUT... most of us here know how a team would get a player under contract from another team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,956 Posted 7 hours ago Interesting that in the game they were able to so accurately diagnose the injury, need for surgery, and recovery timeframe. Anyway, I've got Chase in two leagues, and if Browing wants to keep feeding the beast, I'm not complaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 2,021 Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, frank said: I avoided Burrow last year because I just didn’t want to have him again. I drafted him in the third this year. Lamar was still available. I was hoping for a great year. Grabbed Herbert as my second, thankfully. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,614 Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, edjr said: Not to sound like a richard.. BUT... most of us here know how a team would get a player under contract from another team LOL, my point was, why give up something for a guy who they'll have to cut (and possibly take a cap hit), for 3 months when the backup they have isn't really any worse? Also, you'll have to pay what is remaining of his $27.5M base pay. Not sure how that's going to work when they're only $11M under the cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 2,024 Posted 6 hours ago Browning is the way. He’s a gun slinger that has tunnel vision for Chase. If he plays .500 ball, the Bengals can get a wildcard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,433 Posted 6 hours ago 38 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Interesting that in the game they were able to so accurately diagnose the injury, need for surgery, and recovery timeframe. Anyway, I've got Chase in two leagues, and if Browing wants to keep feeding the beast, I'm not complaining. And fed Chase was....We got a good one brewing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,857 Posted 6 hours ago im not sure i'd be so quick to say what they have right now is as good as Cousins. Winston? yeah probably. Winston is a veteran backup you want who can just sling it and keep your pass game weapons happy. He will turn it over a bunch in the process. Likely no different than what we saw from Browing yesterday. Cousins I would say at least has the edge in veteran leadership. not that winston can't be a leader but Cousins will be smarter with the football. I don't know how they would make a trade work. I assume by giving the Falcons a ransom and asking them to pay a portion of his remaining contract. . I did kind of think that the Falcons didn't cut Cousins, partially for this very reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted 5 hours ago 16 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: im not sure i'd be so quick to say what they have right now is as good as Cousins. Winston? yeah probably. Winston is a veteran backup you want who can just sling it and keep your pass game weapons happy. He will turn it over a bunch in the process. Likely no different than what we saw from Browing yesterday. Cousins I would say at least has the edge in veteran leadership. not that winston can't be a leader but Cousins will be smarter with the football. I don't know how they would make a trade work. I assume by giving the Falcons a ransom and asking them to pay a portion of his remaining contract. . I did kind of think that the Falcons didn't cut Cousins, partially for this very reason. Their defense stinks. I dont think a game manager is exactly the way to go. Sure Kirk is more of a vet. But as far as leadership? A guy is going to come in mid September, doesnt know the players, and provide a veteran leadership? Browning is 29 years old, has been in the system, and knows the guys....its not like hes some 23 year old. Cousins had 18 td passes and 16 ints last year. Not exactly some rock solid protect the football year. But like I said earlier, Cincy needs to score points to win games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,956 Posted 5 hours ago 52 minutes ago, Alias Detective said: And fed Chase was....We got a good one brewing! Eh, I drank the Koolaid on McCarthy, that's probably going to be my demise. That and the big game Javonte had for you. Good win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,857 Posted 5 hours ago 1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said: Their defense stinks. I dont think a game manager is exactly the way to go. Sure Kirk is more of a vet. But as far as leadership? A guy is going to come in mid September, doesnt know the players, and provide a veteran leadership? Browning is 29 years old, has been in the system, and knows the guys....its not like hes some 23 year old. Cousins had 18 td passes and 16 ints last year. Not exactly some rock solid protect the football year. But like I said earlier, Cincy needs to score points to win games. Well first off, if your defense stinks, what good does putting them on the field 3 times via INT do? The best way to help a bad defense is to keep them off the field. Longer drives resulting in points. As for the leadership thing, I can understand the debate to say keep the guy whose been in the system and knows the players. I would think there is also a case to be made for a guy who has played in playoff games, winning one (sort of a fluke)... im not some big Kirk Cousins fan, i'm just speculating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted 5 hours ago 1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said: Well first off, if your defense stinks, what good does putting them on the field 3 times via INT do? The best way to help a bad defense is to keep them off the field. Longer drives resulting in points. As for the leadership thing, I can understand the debate to say keep the guy whose been in the system and knows the players. I would think there is also a case to be made for a guy who has played in playoff games, winning one (sort of a fluke)... im not some big Kirk Cousins fan, i'm just speculating. Guess it depends how good Cousins still is at this point. Which I dont know. Just because Browning had 3 picks in relief yesterday doesnt mean hes going to just throw picks left and right each game. I myself would much rather have a Jameis Winston type guy out there if my defense stinks, rather than a game manager. Sure the point of protecting thr ball makes sense. But by that logic, eveey team should be looking for a game manager. Would you want a gunslinger on a team with a really good defense? Ruining the game? Its much more the other way around for me. Cousins averaged over 1 int per game last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,924 Posted 5 hours ago Their whole identity is throw the ball around and down the field to maybe the best WR duo in the league. They also have a shotty OL and Kirk cant move a lick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,857 Posted 5 hours ago 2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Guess it depends how good Cousins still is at this point. Which I dont know. Just because Browning had 3 picks in relief yesterday doesnt mean hes going to just throw picks left and right each game. I myself would much rather have a Jameis Winston type guy out there if my defense stinks, rather than a game manager. Sure the point of protecting thr ball makes sense. But by that logic, eveey team should be looking for a game manager. Would you want a gunslinger on a team with a really good defense? Ruining the game? Its much more the other way around for me. Cousins averaged over 1 int per game last year. So as far as game theory is concerned, yes, I would prefer a gun slinger when my defense is at least adequate. The idea being that if my gun slinger makes some mistakes, it may not kill us but the good shiit he does can win us the game single handedly, so to speak. You obviously always want a great defense if you can have it no matter what style QB you have. i just can't imagine wanting a turnover prone QB if I know my defense is bad. I would prefer a QB who is smart with the ball and sustains drives so that the other team gets fewer offensive possessions. The problem is Jake Browning is not Brett Favre (that we know of) and we also don't know if he will turn it over 3 times a game. I was thinking more about a Jameis type where we kind of do know that is his MO. again, no reason for me to defend Cousins but I don't think he was ever quite right last year coming off the injury. Of course we don't know if he is better or closer to his previous self right now but he is an extra year removed... 18-5 ratio before going down in 2023. Always had pretty solid turnover ratio aside from maybe 2022. As for Browning, he was also a 23 year old rookie who has 8 career starts to his name and never saw game action until 2023 right? So that plays as much into the experience thing as simply saying hes 29 years old and has been in the system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,857 Posted 5 hours ago 6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Their whole identity is throw the ball around and down the field to maybe the best WR duo in the league. They also have a shotty OL and Kirk cant move a lick. immobility is a fair point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 2,024 Posted 5 hours ago Cousins will get killed behind the OL. Mike Brown won’t make a trade. It’s Browning or bust. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,392 Posted 5 hours ago He’s one of those players that is injury prone it seems. The wrist and then this play occur countless times, Joe gets hurt on them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,433 Posted 5 hours ago 43 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Eh, I drank the Koolaid on McCarthy, that's probably going to be my demise. That and the big game Javonte had for you. Good win. Reverse jinx asshat! Good win to you Jerrah! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,392 Posted 5 hours ago 3 hours ago, frank said: I avoided Burrow last year because I just didn’t want to have him again. I drafted him in the third this year. Lamar was still available. Yep. Lamar was gone in my case but I wanted one of him, Lamar, Hurts, Allen this year who were all gone by the time is got back to me. I never take QB early… Good thing I backed him up with Fields Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,267 Posted 4 hours ago 18 minutes ago, thegeneral said: He’s one of those players that is injury prone it seems. The wrist and then this play occur countless times, Joe gets hurt on them. Agree. He's going to be the Jeff George of this generation. Always good, never good enough and keeping us wondering what could of been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,857 Posted 1 hour ago 3 hours ago, thegeneral said: Yep. Lamar was gone in my case but I wanted one of him, Lamar, Hurts, Allen this year who were all gone by the time is got back to me. I never take QB early… Good thing I backed him up with Fields and you got both Burrow AND Hurts all in one! why would you back up an early QB with high risk, high reward guy like Fields? weird Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,392 Posted 1 hour ago 37 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: and you got both Burrow AND Hurts all in one! why would you back up an early QB with high risk, high reward guy like Fields? weird Normally don’t really worry about QB. Feel like can always find a serviceable one. Will have to go back and look at what I passed up to take Burrow. I think it was Cortland Sutton, Kamara types so I got sucked into Burrow as I wasn’t loving the options available. Have always had man crush on Fields for those rushing yards tho and next QB taken was CJ Stroud and JJ so I thought was good at that point. Guy behind me was pissed I got Fields which is always nice to hear. Will roll with Daniel Jones or Browning and Fields now and play matchups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,857 Posted 33 minutes ago 26 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Normally don’t really worry about QB. Feel like can always find a serviceable one. Will have to go back and look at what I passed up to take Burrow. I think it was Cortland Sutton, Kamara types so I got sucked into Burrow as I wasn’t loving the options available. Have always had man crush on Fields for those rushing yards tho and next QB taken was CJ Stroud and JJ so I thought was good at that point. Guy behind me was pissed I got Fields which is always nice to hear. Will roll with Daniel Jones or Browning and Fields now and play matchups. I don't blame you for going after Burrow. He was drafted after Allen/Jackson/Daniels and in some cases Hurts in my leagues and is the one QB I would have entertained picking in the 4th or 5th. I am just surprised at Fields as a qb2. I think he fit the mold of qb1 drafted by owners who waited and then backed him up with their choice of Dak/Goff/Love etc. basically someone with a higher floor, lower ceiling. A guy like Fields who can boom in fantasy on any given week, like he did in week 1, would always be on the bench of anyone who drafted one of those top 5 QBs. Though it is nice to hear someone be upset when you make a selection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,392 Posted 1 minute ago 30 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: I don't blame you for going after Burrow. He was drafted after Allen/Jackson/Daniels and in some cases Hurts in my leagues and is the one QB I would have entertained picking in the 4th or 5th. I am just surprised at Fields as a qb2. I think he fit the mold of qb1 drafted by owners who waited and then backed him up with their choice of Dak/Goff/Love etc. basically someone with a higher floor, lower ceiling. A guy like Fields who can boom in fantasy on any given week, like he did in week 1, would always be on the bench of anyone who drafted one of those top 5 QBs. Though it is nice to hear someone be upset when you make a selection. In this league can always pick up a middling safe option feels like. Had gone years punting on QB so was looking forward to not having to deal with looking at matchups every week . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites