US Federal Government Shutdown Thread

[The Real timschochet 7,436]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

That doesn't mean that they told ATC to stay home does it?  My understanding is that they just cut the flights but it's independent of ATC schedules.  They still want the ATCs to show up whenever they can, but some aren't.

You’re right. My bad. 

[Meglamaniac 792]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

OK i overstated it about the ATC. My bad. But my point is that this was a deliberate decision by Duffy, they didn’t have to cancel these flights: 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/05/us/airport-traffic-cuts-government-shutdown

Wrong

[Ron_Artest 2,211]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

If you cancel flights then the ATC guys are not working. Thats all I’m saying here. 

Not necessarily.

Look, we're on the same page here, the flight cancellations were ordered by Trump as a means to inflict pain on Americans.  Not as a response to ATC shortages.  We've had ATC shortages all year and they've done nothing, and they have been working without pay for months now.  But ATCs have been calling out more than normal and there is not indication that they are told to stay home due to these cuts.  Semantics I guess.

According to the FAA’s order, the flight cuts will increase to 10% over the next week, beginning with 4% on Friday, 6% by Tuesday, 8% by Thursday and finally 10% on Nov. 14.

Again, the flight cancellations were ordered by Trump as a means to inflict pain on Americans as shown by this tightening.  It's not a response to ATC shortages who are not predicted to increase at these same intervals.

[Ron_Artest 2,211]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re right. My bad. 

All good.

See this is how discourse should be handled on the board.

[The Real timschochet 7,436]

Last night a judge ordered Trump to pay out the SNAP benefits in full. Now Trump is seeking an emergency stay: 

https://www.newsweek.com/snap-benefits-november-2025-update-donald-trump-judge-shutdown-11011321

Great look. 

[Ron_Artest 2,211]

The top two headlines on CNBC right now.  If that's not a snapshot of what Donald Trump's America has become, I don't know what is.

 

SNAP benefits: Trump admin seeks emergency block on order to pay food stamps in full

29 min ago•Dan Mangan

 

 

Tesla says shareholders approve Musk’s $1 trillion pay plan with over 75% voting in favor

3 hours ago•Lora Kolodny

 

[jonnyutah 541]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Bullsh!t. They were ordered not to work. This is on Trump. 

Who ordered them not to work?

What? Tim lying again? Lol.

[Ron_Artest 2,211]

5 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

What? Tim lying again? Lol.

He clarified his statement.  Stop acting like a doosh.

[jonnyutah 541]

1 hour ago, Meglamaniac said:

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK i overstated it about the ATC. My bad. But my point is that this was a deliberate decision by Duffy, they didn’t have to cancel these flights: 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/05/us/airport-traffic-cuts-government-shutdown

Wrong

Just a wittle overstatement, but let me now shift to where I still pretend that AT controllers arent calling in sick like crazy and go back to blaming trump. 

Classic ron artist material. I mean con artest. I mean con artist. 

[jonnyutah 541]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

He clarified his statement.  Stop acting like a doosh.

Lol. "Clarified"

The guy literally said they were ordered to stay home all the while quibbling with semantics about biden not importing people. 

 

[Ron_Artest 2,211]

2 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Lol. "Clarified"

The guy literally said they were ordered to stay home all the while quibbling with semantics about biden not importing people. 

 

Then he came back and said he was wrong.  Stop acting like a doosh.

[HellToupee 2,210]

1 minute ago, jonnyutah said:

Just a wittle overstatement, but let me now shift to where I still pretend that AT controllers arent calling in sick like crazy and go back to blaming trump. 

Classic ron artist material. I mean con artest. I mean con artist. 

Can’t imagine orders coming down to a local ATC manager to order ATC to stay home. Neither would jeopardize a 40% of their high salary plus medical . If it did OIG would clean house 

[squistion 2,526]

3 hours ago, HellToupee said:

People complaining about flights being cancelled want planes to crash to score political points. Flights are cancelled for safety. The President can’t end the shutdown. Republicans can’t end the shutdown. 

60 votes are required in the senate to end the filibuster 

There are 53 R’s.

They do? WTF is wrong with you? 

[HellToupee 2,210]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

They do? WTF is wrong with you? 

Easy there babydoll. WTF is wrong with me?  Look in the mirror.You and your cohorts post repugnant comments day in and out and I’m supposed to believe you guys think clearly?

[squistion 2,526]

34 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Easy there babydoll. WTF is wrong with me?  Look in the mirror.You and your cohorts post repugnant comments day in and out and I’m supposed to believe you guys think clearly?

Wait, what has anyone critical of Trump said here regarding the shutdown that is anywhere close to your statement (see above) which I will quote again for those that might have missed it:

"People complaining about flights being cancelled want planes to crash to score political points."

We want planes to crash and people killed just to score political points? 

There is something obviously wrong with you if you believe that and that was not just trolling this thread.
 

 

[nobody 2,881]

So what I'm seeing through all this is air traffic control should be done with AI

[MDC 7,881]

6 hours ago, HellToupee said:

People complaining about flights being cancelled want planes to crash to score political points. Flights are cancelled for safety. The President can’t end the shutdown. Republicans can’t end the shutdown. 

60 votes are required in the senate to end the filibuster 

There are 53 R’s.

No, but he can be a leader. He should get Schumer and Johnson in the room and work on getting a deal done. He’s the one who has to get people together.

[Grace Under Pressure 166]

They'll end it when Trump is ready to end it. Dems will need to be blamed, and Dems need to figure out a way to give Trump credit for something. But they should just do it already, the air travel thing is a bridge too far IMO.

[HellToupee 2,210]

1 hour ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

They'll end it when Trump is ready to end it

He’s ready but doesn’t have the numbers. He needs 60 to kill it

[supermike80 2,082]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

Wait, what has anyone critical of Trump said here regarding the shutdown that is anywhere close to your statement (see above) which I will quote again for those that might have missed it:

"People complaining about flights being cancelled want planes to crash to score political points."

We want planes to crash and people killed just to score political points? 

There is something obviously wrong with you if you believe that and that was not just trolling this thread.
 

 

Sorry but i truly believe TDS Ron does 

[The Real timschochet 7,436]

Schumer offered a compromise just now: extend the ACA subsidies for one year only. Thune says it’s a non-starter. 

[The Real timschochet 7,436]

5 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Sorry but i truly believe TDS Ron does 

Then you’re ridiculous. 

[SaintsInDome2006 650]

8 hours ago, HellToupee said:

People complaining about flights being cancelled want planes to crash to score political points. Flights are cancelled for safety. The President can’t end the shutdown. Republicans can’t end the shutdown. 

60 votes are required in the senate to end the filibuster 

There are 53 R’s.

It would probably help your argument if the President hadn’t put a TV personality in charge of the Transportation Department & who’s overseen the worst year in aviation safety in decades.

[BrahmaBulls 929]

5 hours ago, squistion said:

They do? WTF is wrong with you? 

Some of you were cheering on the Potomac river crash once you found out it wasn't a black guy or gay guy as the pilot.

[The Real timschochet 7,436]

7 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Some of you were cheering on the Potomac river crash once you found out it wasn't a black guy or gay guy as the pilot.

Pretty ugly charge. I’m sure you have a link to prove this. 

[HellToupee 2,210]

7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It would probably help your argument if the President hadn’t put a TV personality in charge of the Transportation Department & who’s overseen the worst year in aviation safety in decades.

He was a DA and a congressman . I guess you forgot that. I guess you also forgot all about Mayor Pete.

[SaintsInDome2006 650]

28 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

He was a DA and a congressman . I guess you forgot that. I guess you also forgot all about Mayor Pete.

Elaine Chao had spent 12 years as Deputy Secretary of Transportation, 8 years as Secretary of Labor, she was director of Peace Corps, headed the Maritime Commission, was director of United Way.

Duffy was DA in Ashland County, population 16K. When he was hired he was a tv pundit.

[BrahmaBulls 929]

30 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Pretty ugly charge. I’m sure you have a link to prove this. 

The thread Mike had to delete.  We all remember it.  I don't give a F if you do or not.

[dogcows 1,065]

29 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

He was a DA and a congressman . I guess you forgot that. I guess you also forgot all about Mayor Pete.

He was also a lumberjack

 

[Ron_Artest 2,211]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Sorry but i truly believe TDS Ron does 

You're sick.

[Ron_Artest 2,211]

1 hour ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Some of you were cheering on the Potomac river crash once you found out it wasn't a black guy or gay guy as the pilot.

Pure BS.  What is wrong with you?

[BrahmaBulls 929]

18 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Pure BS.  What is wrong with you?

You were one of them

[cmh6476 1,126]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It would probably help your argument if the President hadn’t put a TV personality in charge of the Transportation Department & who’s overseen the worst year in aviation safety in decades.

My Congressman was in the running.   He's a pilot

[Ron_Artest 2,211]

39 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

You were one of them

I was cheering on the crash?  How does someone even do that?  Go crash?  Burn more?

[The Real timschochet 7,436]

2 hours ago, BrahmaBulls said:

The thread Mike had to delete.  We all remember it.  I don't give a F if you do or not.

No I don’t remember it and I’m pretty sure you’re lying about it. 

[Ron_Artest 2,211]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No I don’t remember it and I’m pretty sure you’re lying about it. 

100% he's lying.  He's a troll.

[The Real timschochet 7,436]

Supreme Court grants Trump’s emergency stay request to halt SNAP payments: 

https://apnews.com/article/snap-food-government-shutdown-trump-a807e9f0c0a7213e203c074553dc1f9b

Winning? 

[The Real timschochet 7,436]

Is this America first? 

[jerryskids 7,079]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Schumer offered a compromise just now: extend the ACA subsidies for one year only. Thune says it’s a non-starter. 

Why a year?  Shouldn't it only be until the full budget is passed?  You know, when negotiation is supposed to actually happen?   

[The Real timschochet 7,436]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Why a year?  Shouldn't it only be until the full budget is passed?  You know, when negotiation is supposed to actually happen?   

I don’t know what the thinking was. But it seems to me that what you’re suggesting would mean simply including the ACA extension within the current CR bill. Which I’m pretty sure the Dems would go for, don’t you think?