Woman shot in the face during 'ICE-related shooting' in Minneapolis

[Engorgeous George 2,347]

31 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Jesus Christ. MAGA twats like MO would spam this place with civil war memes if the exact same stuff occurred under a Dem admin. It's not even a matter of hypocrisy, it's a matter of values. 

When did the so-called patriot righties turn into fascists? 5 letter word, starts with a 'T'

Taint?

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

Just now, Fnord said:

So the cop video... doesn't sit right.

Why can you not hear any gunshots?

Did you turn your audio on?

Seriously you can hear the gun shots

[Fnord 2,700]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Really. That’s a shame.

One might call it a gross miscarriage of justice.

[Fnord 2,700]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Did you turn your audio on?

Seriously you can hear the gun shots

Yep. Heard the conversations just fine. Weird. I'm not saying anything, just that I didn't hear them. If they are in it, fine. Just thought it was curious.

[cyclone24 1,963]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Remember when people on the right were saying how horrible it was that people were cheering Charlie Kirk's death ---thoughts?

It’s truly incredible if you think a guy talking on a microphone, getting murdered and assassinated by someone who plant it out is the same as a radical liberal lunatic interjecting into federal law-enforcement activities and aiming her vehicle at a car. That is unbelievably astounding.

[Maximum Overkill 2,708]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

One might call it a gross miscarriage of justice.

It's called a clean shoot 

[Fnord 2,700]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Taint?

Damn I've missed you. You complete me.

[dogcows 1,397]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

Thanks for this. 

Skimming through just the first few pages is an indictment of the shooting officer's behavior. He disregarded proper policy multiple times over the course of just a few seconds of real time.

Tom Homan is calling for him to be investigated. That guy is as pro-ICE as they come.

It is inexcusable for the President, VP, and Sec of DHS to be putting out the types of statements they did immediately following this shooting.

This video should be used in future LEO trainings as an example of what NOT to do.

[thegeneral 3,801]

5 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

37 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Jesus Christ. MAGA twats like MO would spam this place with civil war memes if the exact same stuff occurred under a Dem admin. It's not even a matter of hypocrisy, it's a matter of values. 

When did the so-called patriot righties turn into fascists? 5 letter word, starts with a 'T'

Taint?

Trans?

[cyclone24 1,963]

Just now, dogcows said:

Tom Homan is calling for him to be investigated. That guy is as pro-ICE as they come.

It is inexcusable for the President, VP, and Sec of DHS to be putting out the types of statements they did immediately following this shooting.

This video should be used in future LEO trainings as an example of what NOT to do.

it’s never the left. Never any fault of your own ever. It’s always Trump. It’s hilarious and nobody believes it. 

[Gladiators 2,038]

19 minutes ago, Reality said:

Wow... Big time apologies incoming. 

 

I'll need to see the still frames and read the play-by-play from mooney before making a determination.

[thegeneral 3,801]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

Tom Homan is calling for him to be investigated. That guy is as pro-ICE as they come.

It is inexcusable for the President, VP, and Sec of DHS to be putting out the types of statements they did immediately following this shooting.

This video should be used in future LEO trainings as an example of what NOT to do.

That Tom Homan guy handles himself well in the media. I don’t agree with him on things but he is reasonable. 

Trump only hires Fox News hairdos or informercial spokespersons for the top jobs so he will be stuck in middle management,

[SaintsInDome2006 868]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

In case you're curious, this is the current use of force policy for DHS/ICE:

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/23_0206_s1_use-of-force-policy-update.pdf

Look at Part V(A)(2). It says plainly that Ross was prohibited from using weapons to disable a vehicle.

[dogcows 1,397]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

it’s never the left. Never any fault of your own ever. It’s always Trump. It’s hilarious and nobody believes it. 

I have a friend from Iowa. Huge Hawkeyes fan. But he’s not an insane MAGA moron. So there are some normal humans there. May I suggest you try making friends with some of them? Normal people don’t spend their lives laughing at and denigrating victims of violence.

[thegeneral 3,801]

10 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

It would be ironic if we were actually doing something about it. The left always is.
But trust me, you don’t want us to do something about it.

You don’t think there is right wing violence and you think all liberals are terrible. I’m just saying this isn’t really a place to start from when trying to improve the dialogue.

[thegeneral 3,801]

No comment on the video or its contents but “Alpha News” sounds super, ultra ghheeeey!

[Strike 6,115]

8 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Look at Part V(A)(2). It says plainly that Ross was prohibited from using weapons to disable a vehicle.

Good thing he wasn't trying to disable the vehicle then.  It's such a shame what you've turned in to as a poster.  You used to be such a good poster to interact with.  Now you're just broken.   Hopefully Pfizer is working on a vaccine for TDS.  Maybe Trump can fund it again like he did Covid.

[cyclone24 1,963]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You don’t think there is right wing violence and you think all liberals are terrible. I’m just saying this isn’t really a place to start from when trying to improve the dialogue.

Lol when the liberals start toning it down….wake me up for this improved dialogue. 

[cyclone24 1,963]

8 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I have a friend from Iowa. Huge Hawkeyes fan. But he’s not an insane MAGA moron. So there are some normal humans there. May I suggest you try making friends with some of them? Normal people don’t spend their lives laughing at and denigrating victims of violence.

Pot meet focking kettle.

and hes a hawk…clear .:)

[nobody 2,976]

1 hour ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Anyone notice that BLM and ANTIFA are majorly missing from these protests? I wonder why. Can libs explain this to me? It can't be because the money dried up, right? No that's not possible. These protesters are all super honest.

Cause it was a white chick that got shot.  Wokies think the BLM grifters will ride for them. 

Breaking news: They won't ride for anything that doesn't feed the race hustle.

[HellToupee 2,364]

26 minutes ago, Reality said:

Wow... Big time apologies incoming. 

 

Body cams are the best friend the police ever had

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

No comment on the video or its contents but “Alpha News” sounds super, ultra ghheeeey!

The only comments are "Apologize, thread over, told you", meanwhile it doesn't offer much of anything new, other than proving the agent was angry by calling her a focking b1tch.  If anything it coincides with the other video showing that he was not standing in front of the vehicle when he shot or that would clearly be on the video.

You can also see she is clearly turning the wheel away from the officer trying to avoid him.  But some idiots will think she's aiming for him,

The last video would have been the wife's video but you can see she brings her phone down when Renee goes into reverse so don't think that will be valuable either.

There is probably enough video for normal honest people to conclude that shooting was not justified.

[SaintsInDome2006 868]

37 minutes ago, Reality said:

Wow... Big time apologies incoming. 

 

Look at timestamp 00:40 - she’s turning the car right, look at the steering wheel. Ross is moving to her left towards the left corner of the car, she is turning to her right, away from him. Go look at it.

When he points the camera down is when he points his gun up, after she starts turning the wheel. The agent to her left grabbing at her door handle is out of camera shot.

Then go look at the DHS rules posted by Strike, DHS agents are not permitted to use weapons to disable cars.

[thegeneral 3,801]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

Lol when the liberals start toning it down….wake me up for this improved dialogue. 

Be the change you seek. You waive off that a Prez calls people animals, trolls, talks shet nonstop and personally label all liberals as terrible. Food for thought! 

[thegeneral 3,801]

3 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Body cams are the best friend the police ever had

Don’t let the citizens record tho!

[Sean Mooney 2,086]

2 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Sorry, I cannot provide a definitive answer.  Self defense is interesting and always evolving and with differences in different jurisdictions.  Most commonly it means one was objectively reasonable in believing they were in danger of death or serious bodily harm and they responded with relatively proportional an neccessary force having no other reasonable or accessible means of escaping the danger, say for instance by stepping aside or leaving.  That is, however, not universally true in state jurisdictions.  So first one would have to ask who is prosecuting the officer, the state or the feds.  Next, we humans are not decisional algorithms.  We truely blur the line between subjective and objective reality all the time so  the Officer's subjective belief will try to be argued as objective and will be judged after the fact by jurors with their own beliefs and perceptions and expectations.  The fact that you have asked the question is probably your answer.  Some may consider the Vice Presidents comments, or at least his analysis relavent and try to pursue that line of questioning.  I believe a judge would not allow the Vice president's comments to become part of the questioning, but the train of thought behind them certainly could come in.

 

Sounds like you would hope it would be argued or wonder whether it should be argued that the particular Officer, given his past experience did not and could not evaluate the situation reasonably or objectively.  Certainly that could happen, particularly when safety was a mere step away as evidence by the safety of the ctwo officers only one step back and over.     

Appreciate the response.

As to the bolded- I'm not hoping anything. I'm genuinely wondering if perhaps Vance being so definitive and some of these pronouncements that he and DHS made without facts might end up biting them at some point. 

[cyclone24 1,963]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Be the change you seek. You waive off that a Prez calls people animals, trolls, talks shet nonstop and personally label all liberals as terrible. Food for thought! 

Because people dont act on it. Liberals do. Huge difference 

[Engorgeous George 2,347]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Appreciate the response.

As to the bolded- I'm not hoping anything. I'm genuinely wondering if perhaps Vance being so definitive and some of these pronouncements that he and DHS made without facts might end up biting them at some point. 

That is why I offered the alternative that maybe you were just wonderign whethefr it would bce argued, because I did not want to ascribe to you your position as an absolute.  I intended the respect of leaving that a bit of an open question.

[SaintsInDome2006 868]

2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Because people dont act on it. Liberals do. Huge difference 

Well except for that whole January 6th thing.

[SaintsInDome2006 868]

10 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Body cams are the best friend the police ever had

Shouldn’t the agent at the driver door have a body camera too? Where’s that view?

[Maximum Overkill 2,708]

16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

No comment on the video

Why? Because you lost? 

 

 

[Maximum Overkill 2,708]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Well except for that whole January 6th thing.

Or that whole George Floyd flair up 

[Maximum Overkill 2,708]

 

[SaintsInDome2006 868]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Or that whole George Floyd flair up 

I’ll be the first to argue that political violence is an equal opportunity disease.

[jonmx 2,494]

28 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Tom Homan is calling for him to be investigated. That guy is as pro-ICE as they come.

It is inexcusable for the President, VP, and Sec of DHS to be putting out the types of statements they did immediately following this shooting.

This video should be used in future LEO trainings as an example of what NOT to do.

As an example to citizens what not to do.   

1.  Do not aid and abet criminals

2.  Do accellerate your vehicle towards a police officer standing 10 feet in front of you.  

I am so sick of the same bastards who crowned the capitol police officer a hero for shooting Ashley Babbitt under far less justifiable circumstances.  

You effing make me sick. 

[SaintsInDome2006 868]

49 minutes ago, Reality said:

Wow... Big time apologies incoming. 

 

Good (smiling) @ timestamp 00:15: “That’s fine dude, I’m not made at you.” 

Ross @ timestamp 00:45: “Fucklng bltch.”

Have you actually watched this? 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,186]

28 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Look at Part V(A)(2). It says plainly that Ross was prohibited from using weapons to disable a vehicle.

He didn’t shoot to disable the car. He shot her.  

[Maximum Overkill 2,708]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’ll be the first to argue that political violence is an equal opportunity disease.

One includes a few broken windows, the other includes the burning down of American Cities, over 100 officers hospitalized, billions of dollars in damages, business owners livelihoods destroyed and innocent people killed..

Same difference, right? 

[dogcows 1,397]

Just now, jonmx said:

As an example to citizens what not to do.   

1.  Do not aid and abet criminals

2.  Do accellerate your vehicle towards a police officer standing 10 feet in front of you.  

I am so sick of the same bastards who crowned the capitol police officer a hero for shooting Ashley Babbitt under far less justifiable circumstances.  

You effing make me sick. 

This woman did neither of the above. And she was still shot by ICE.

If you want to feel less sick, stop believing and peddling lies. You will feel better.

[jonmx 2,494]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’ll be the first to argue that political violence is an equal opportunity disease.

Numbers tell a far different story.  Every major nationwide riot which resulted in billions and billions in damages are media driven ones by the leftist elitists.