Woman shot in the face during 'ICE-related shooting' in Minneapolis

[Horseman 2,822]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I think the GF also taunted Ross & enraged him. She had a lot to answer for in all this. 

Not the brightest bulbs in the pack is what youre saying?  Duh.  

[Maximum Overkill 2,708]

29 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

If you are going to inflict violence on protestors the ones who stop traffic are not doing themselves favors.

Or if you don't follow orders or try to run over a Federal Officer? 

[MDC 8,215]

14 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Probably because they were helping the protesters get in.

Babbitt made a big mistake climbing through a broken window on a barricaded door!  

[TimHauck 3,516]

2 hours ago, Reality said:

Wow... Big time apologies incoming. 

 

What do you think this shows that we didn’t already know that furthers the claim that she “tried to run him over”?

The main new information here IMO is:

1) the wife was telling her to drive, clearly that means drive away and not at the agent

2) a dog is clearly visible in the car with the window open, which should have given the agent less motivation to shoot the driver knowing the car would crash if he hit her.  Did the dog survive?

3) agent calls her a f’in b after shooting her, showing no concern for her life

I’m sure this doesn’t take away from likely being legally justified, but there is nothing here justifying it more than was previously thought.

[Fireballer 2,699]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I believe it's murder, which is why I said it.  Not ignorant, not blind.

But you’re not sure it was legal or not?

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

9 minutes ago, nobody said:

Everyone is questioning the agent's decision making, but the agent is probably the most jammed up from a decision making process.

He sees a car backing up.  She throws it in drive.  He draws his gun as he's standing in the path.  She hits him!  He fires.  This all happens in seconds.

Meanwhile, no one is questioning the decision making of the driver.  The SJW apparently was following around ice agents all day attempting to obstruct.  She finally agitates them enough to respond to her.  Presumably she's been driving her whole adult life.  So why did she drive into the guy?  Why was she even trying to flee?  So she wouldn't get cuffed?  

She was trying to flee because the other agents were trying to open her car door and drag her out.  She drove into the guy because he was standing there.  She actually turned the car to avoid him, the "hit" was him putting his arms out on the car.  She probably didn't want to get detained, beat up.  Instead she got murdered.  I'm sure if she could do it all over again....

[Horseman 2,822]

@MDC

What Trump said was so stupid! But I don't want to talk about it.

What a possy. 

[thegeneral 3,801]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

You missed the video of the homely #2 talking about changing out plates?  Oh course you did. 

Not sure if it was an admission or just psyco ranting.  

I watched the vid. She was being very mean to the cops.

The soccer mom warrior lesbians would be around another day if they had switched the plates. Eventually these mastermind criminals would slip up.

Take the plates down, drive around the car like the other cars did. Is option 1 for me.

[SaintsInDome2006 868]

8 minutes ago, nobody said:

Everyone is questioning the agent's decision making, but the agent is probably the most jammed up from a decision making process.

He sees a car backing up.  She throws it in drive.  He draws his gun as he's standing in the path.  She hits him!  He fires.  This all happens in seconds.

Meanwhile, no one is questioning the decision making of the driver.  The SJW apparently was following around ice agents all day attempting to obstruct.  She finally agitates them enough to respond to her.  Presumably she's been driving her whole adult life.  So why did she drive into the guy?  Why was she even trying to flee?  So she wouldn't get cuffed?  

It would be nice to get everyone out of their silos. 

Imo the driver panicked. She has no record, no history of violence. She was married to a vet & has 3 kids. It looks to me like Southern (the 2nd agent) grabs at her door while she’s waiting for her GF to get in, & rather than have her unlock the doors (which let Southern in) GF shouts ‘drive’ & that’s when it all happens. 

Imo Ross pulls his gun after he sees Good turning her wheel to exit. I guess Fireball’s point is Ross must’ve thought she was turning at him. 

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

But you’re not sure it was legal or not?

I'm not sure how it plays out in a court of law.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,540]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What do you think this shows that we didn’t already know that furthers the claim that she “tried to run him over”?

The main new information here IMO is:

1) the wife was telling her to drive, clearly that means drive away and not at the agent

2) a dog is clearly visible in the car with the window open, which should have given the agent less motivation to shoot the driver knowing the car would crash if he hit her.  Did the dog survive?

3) agent calls her a f’in b after shooting her, showing no concern for her life

I’m sure this doesn’t take away from likely being legally justified, but there is nothing here justifying it more than was previously thought.

She scared the sht out of the agent because she unexpectedly drove forward at a minimum very close to the officer. Are you dizzy yet?

[Frozenbeernuts 2,540]

Just now, thegeneral said:

I watched the vid. She was being very mean to the cops.

The soccer mom warrior lesbians would be around another day if they had switched the plates. Eventually these mastermind criminals would slip up.

Take the plates down, drive around the car like the other cars did. Is option 1 for me.

Cops said get out of the car.

[Horseman 2,822]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

She was trying to flee because the other agents were trying to open her car door and drag her out.  She drove into the guy because he was standing there.  She actually turned the car to avoid him, the "hit" was him putting his arms out on the car.  She probably didn't want to get detained, beat up.  Instead she murdered.  I'm sure if she could do it all over again....

Third grade summaries are the best!  Especially the delusional ones.  

[cyclone24 1,963]

7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Is this the driver? I agree she wasn’t terrified (at least when we see her) but she didn’t taunt Ross, she was deescalating. The GF was the one needling him.

Yes, blocking traffic once again after you’ve been following them all day is really de-escalating. You know what would have de-escalated it? Going to work that day or calling your congressman to help change the laws you don’t like.
 

”de-escalating”….smh

[thegeneral 3,801]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

Cops said get out of the car.

Cops said get out of the Capitol somehow hundreds didn’t get shot

[Fireballer 2,699]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm not sure how it plays out in a court of law.

What parts of Minnesota murder statutes does this meet?  Of does it just meet Gutters internal murder definition?

[TimHauck 3,516]

7 minutes ago, nobody said:

 

Meanwhile, no one is questioning the decision making of the driver.  The SJW apparently was following around ice agents all day attempting to obstruct.  

“All day”?  The shooting happened at 9:30 AM.  You and @Horseman fell for fake news.

[SaintsInDome2006 868]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

Yes, blocking traffic once again after you’ve been following them all day is really de-escalating. You know what would have de-escalated it? Going to work that day or calling your congressman to help change the laws you don’t like.
 

”de-escalating”….smh

Yes, smiling & speaking in a pleasant manner is deescalating. 

[Horseman 2,822]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

I watched the vid. She was being very mean to the cops.

The soccer mom warrior lesbians would be around another day if they had switched the plates. Eventually these mastermind criminals would slip up.

Take the plates down, drive around the car like the other cars did. Is option 1 for me.

You live in Pansy World.  

You went from needing to see more. Then when the need didn't show you what you wanted you pivot to they should have just let them go. They should just stop doing their jobs. 

[Ron_Artest 2,690]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

What parts of Minnesota murder statutes does this meet?  Of does it just meet Gutters internal murder definition?

Second-Degree Murder
This involves an intentional killing that was not planned in advance. It sits between the "cold-blooded" nature of first-degree murder and the "hot-blooded" nature of manslaughter.

Intent to Cause Harm: The perpetrator intended to cause serious bodily injury, and that injury resulted in death.

Depraved Heart: This refers to conduct that is so extremely reckless and shows such a "callous disregard for human life" that it results in death.

[Horseman 2,822]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Yes, blocking traffic once again after you’ve been following them all day is really de-escalating. You know what would have de-escalated it? Going to work that day or calling your congressman to help change the laws you don’t like.
 

”de-escalating”….smh

Oh no you didn't!!!

 

 

 

 

 

They don't have jobs. 

[TimHauck 3,516]

4 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

She scared the sht out of the agent because she unexpectedly drove forward at a minimum very close to the officer.

Yes which we already knew.  What does this video show in defense of the officer that we didn’t already know?  Nothing IMO and if anything it hurts his case.

[Strike 6,115]

FOP Stands with ICE

https://x.com/MNFOP/status/2009355802898026511

 

[Horseman 2,822]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Second-Degree Murder
This involves an intentional killing that was not planned in advance. It sits between the "cold-blooded" nature of first-degree murder and the "hot-blooded" nature of manslaughter.

Intent to Cause Harm: The perpetrator intended to cause serious bodily injury, and that injury resulted in death.

Depraved Heart: This refers to conduct that is so extremely reckless and shows such a "callous disregard for human life" that it results in death.

Chatgpt 

Tiny did his homework!!!!

[TimHauck 3,516]

4 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Yes, blocking traffic once again after you’ve been following them all day is really de-escalating.

Link to them “following them all day”?  Why do so many people keep saying this?  The shooting happened at 9:30 AM

[Horseman 2,822]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

FOP Stands with ICE

https://x.com/MNFOP/status/2009355802898026511

 

But the FBI isn't cooperating! 

 

 

[thegeneral 3,801]

Just now, Horseman said:

You live in Pansy World.  

You went from needing to see more. Then when the need didn't show you what you wanted you pivot to they should have just let them go. They should just stop doing their jobs. 

Things pussies say to sound tough. You aren’t fooling anyone Rodg with the alpha talk. It’s ok.

I consider part of cops jobs to keep calm in the face of citizens being shitheads, they have weapons, they have training, they have layers protocols to follow, legal protection. I expect them to have good judgement. It’s not really fair but it’s the job they sign up for. 

[Strike 6,115]

Someone really needs to change the thread title on this thread, because when I read it all I can see if this, and that just seems so wrong:

 

[FrancieFootball 344]

28 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Trump was right, again. You were wrong, again. Yet you will never see the clues. Which is fine. This wouldn't be as fun if there weren't a bunch of clueless limps shooting off ridiculous spin.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/videos-contradict-trump-account-fatal-ice-shooting-minneapolis-rcna253107

Trump lied. 

He could tell MAGA the sky is red, and MAGA would look up at the blue sky and exclaim, "You know, the sky indeed is red!"

This is how dumb and brainwashed MAGA has become.

I post findings from a Trump-stacked Supreme Court ruling, and MAGAs still can't process that this situation was terribly handled and nowhere near proper procedure.

[Strike 6,115]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Link to them “following them all day”?  Why do so many people keep saying this?  The shooting happened at 9:30 AM

1)  When someone says "all day" it basically means from the beginning of the day until the current time. One doesn't have to wait until 11:59 PM to use the term "all day" when describing events.

2)  The reports are that these people had been following ICE "for hours."  There may be a bit of an exaggeration there if this happened at 9:30 AM I suppose.  I wasn't aware it was that early in the day but I'll take your word for it. But the point is, and the reports are, that these people had been following ICE.  The larger point is that it wasn't like they all just happened on each other and this was an isolated incident.

[SaintsInDome2006 868]

An investigation has been opened.

>>

The Hennepin County Attorney’s Office (HCAO) and Minnesota Attorney General’s Office (MNAGO) announced a joint effort to collect and preserve evidence to support investigation into the killing of Renee Nicole Good in Minneapolis.

After the FBI rescinded its cooperation agreement with the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, the HCAO and the MNAGO were in constant contact to determine a path forward that ensured necessary transparency for Minnesotans.

“Earlier this week, our community witnessed a horrific event on our streets. Some saw it in person and many more have seen it circulating online,” Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty said. “I have been on the phone and in meetings with law enforcement, justice leaders and elected officials, discussing ways to ensure a thorough and transparent investigation can occur and be shared with our office.”<<

[cyclone24 1,963]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Link to them “following them all day”?  Why do so many people keep saying this?  The shooting happened at 9:30 AM

I mean, I can change it to all morning if that helps but it doesn’t really change anything. And I’m guessing it’s not the first day they were doing it. They’re pretty clearly seems to be some acknowledgment, knowing who they are.

[Strike 6,115]

Listen to this guy:

https://x.com/KimKatieUSA/status/2009693707948462535?s=20

[jonmx 2,494]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

FINALLY.

And yes it contradicts everyone that said that he was in front of the car and it was self defense.

BUT NOW, you're agreeing he's not in danger when he fires.  But you still say it's a clean shot.  From a legal standpoint, I don't know, I wouldn't think so but I'm not a lawyer.  But from a moral standpoint, you agree he's just killing her because he's pissed, to get back at her, right?  And you are ok with that?

The legal requirement for self defense is would a reasonable person feel they are in imminent danger of severe bodily harm.  Most reasonable people would agree he is in danger of severe bodily harm.  This supersedes any rule about the use of deadly force in a police manual.  People are by all rights permitted to use self-defense. 

[Strike 6,115]

Just now, jonmx said:

The legal requirement for self defense is would a reasonable person feel they are in imminent danger of severe bodily harm.  Most reasonable people would feel in danger of severe bodily harm.  This supersedes any rule about the use of deadly force in a police manual.  People are by all rights permitted to use self-defense. 

The use of force policy document I posted earlier is very clear on this.  These people either don't want to or are incapable of understanding that document and applying it to real world scenarios.

[Mark Davis 442]

16 minutes ago, nobody said:

Everyone is questioning the agent's decision making, but the agent is probably the most jammed up from a decision making process.

He sees a car backing up.  She throws it in drive.  He draws his gun as he's standing in the path.  She hits him!  He fires.  This all happens in seconds.

Meanwhile, no one is questioning the decision making of the driver.  The SJW apparently was following around ice agents all day attempting to obstruct.  She finally agitates them enough to respond to her.  Presumably she's been driving her whole adult life.  So why did she drive into the guy?  Why was she even trying to flee?  So she wouldn't get cuffed?  

This is kind of the point.  People are expecting perfection in judgment in a split second from an agent who sees a vehicle moving forward and making contact with him. He's aware that she is intentionally agitating them, in that split second people are placing the burden of knowing her intent on him as to whether she intends to strike him head on or turn away and make contact that way.  He has no way to know that. 

It's sad it ended up the way it did, but the point is when you put yourself in the path of officers and try to disrupt them in the line of duty you put yourself into harm's way.  The more people do this and call for more acts like this, the more of these we are going to see.  The most well intentioned officer can't know whether this is someone wanting to just pull away or whether this is someone who was in the NY protest last night chanting "Save a Life, Kill an ICE".  While people are free to protest, when you align yourself with that kind of movement and then instigate an altercation, immediately that officer is going to be on guard and wondering if your intention is the worst.  Any sudden movement or act could easily end as this did.

[Horseman 2,822]

9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Things pussies say to sound tough. You aren’t fooling anyone Rodg with the alpha talk. It’s ok.

I consider part of cops jobs to keep calm in the face of citizens being shitheads, they have weapons, they have training, they have layers protocols to follow, legal protection. I expect them to have good judgement. It’s not really fair but it’s the job they sign up for. 

Don't want to wait for more to come out? LOL

Final answer: Officers shouldnt do their job when it gets dangerous. They should just let the criminals go.  

[jonmx 2,494]

Just now, Strike said:

The use of force policy document I posted earlier is very clear on this.  These people either don't want to or are incapable of understanding that document and applying it to real world scenarios.

The idiots want to apply rules which are clearly superseded by other rules.  Leftism is a frickin disease fkr these biotlickers. 

[weepaws 3,472]

They are trained to make perfect judgments in a split second, that officer did, in a split second he pulled his weapon and murdered her. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,540]

16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Cops said get out of the Capitol somehow hundreds didn’t get shot

Dizzy yet? You lost so bad in this thread that I am not surprised to see the shift.