Homer Mock Draft - ** DISCUSSION THREAD **

[Kitsnow 0]

The poz, timmons, and beason all gone.. now i have to think. Considering no second round pick I can reach down for several players that would be gone by the time for 3rd round.

[Erb047 0]

If I'm not mistaken that's the pick NE sent to MIA in the Welker trade. I don't think it was a conditional pick of any kind.

 

 

Yep. NFL.com hasn't updated it. We got NE's 60th pick from the Welker deal.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Yep. NFL.com hasn't updated it. We got NE's 60th pick from the Welker deal.

 

Yes, that pick is not NE's at this point. Unless NFL.com wants to tell Scott Pioli otherwise, he is assuming that he only has two first rounders and no 2nd rounder. The other rounds are likely to change with compensatory picks (Pats likely to get 4 of those), but the Pats 2nd rounder is sitting in Miami's hands as part of the Welker deal.

[Dan 66]

the steelers pick was a trainwreck

 

first Kalil has gotten a 2nd round grade at his highest, second taking a C in the first is unusual, especially so high, third taking interior OL in the first is rare enough, too many to be had in later rounds. he would have a decent shot of being there at Pitt's 2nd round pick in the real draft imo. he just got too much buzz during combine coverage, and though good he is undersized and plays a position where talent is easier to find than other areas. don't like this pick

 

A train wreck? C'mon now. Is that fair? Really? A train wreck is much too kind, especially after Pittsburgh brought in another interior lineman to compete with Chukky Okobi and Kendall Simmons for the job.

 

Unless this guy is the next Mike Webster or Dermontti Dawson, then there was no business taking him in the first round. And don't give me the "most talented player" garbage. He wasn't.

[Erb047 0]

A train wreck? C'mon now. Is that fair? Really? A train wreck is much too kind, especially after Pittsburgh brought in another interior lineman to compete with Chukky Okobi and Kendall Simmons for the job.

 

Unless this guy is the next Mike Webster or Dermontti Dawson, then there was no business taking him in the first round. And don't give me the "most talented player" garbage. He wasn't.

 

 

Take it for what its worth, but Scouts INC does have Kalil ranked 18th overall. That said, there still was better talent available. I ,however, like the pick.

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[Kitsnow 0]

You think he would have made his selectiond during that time

[JScott 20]

You think he would have made his selectiond during that time

Yes, you'd think.

 

 

Alright, someone (Mack 1 ?) make a pick for NO at 1.27. We HAVE to finish round one before everyone takes off for the weekend. I know we need to expect lulls, but this is becoming IBL-esque

[MicktheGreat 1]

Yes, you'd think.

Alright, someone (Mack 1 ?) make a pick for NO at 1.27. We HAVE to finish round one before everyone takes off for the weekend. I know we need to expect lulls, but this is becoming IBL-esque

I agree...

 

Make the pick, Mack1...

 

I'll throw out some suggestions for the Saints (in order):

1. CB Chris Houston, Arkansas

2. CB Aaron Ross, Texas

3. CB Darrelle Revis, Pitt

4. MLB David Harris, Michigan

5. DT Justin Harrell, Tennessee

[JScott 20]

patriotsfatboy1 and I were happy to get Pozluszny at 1.24, nothing earthshattering here, sort of an as expected pick. With Bruschi having lost something after his stroke and getting another year older, ILB is a top need for the Pats. Pozluszny also brings versatility to the LB corp having played both inside and outside LB at PSU in the 3-4 and 4-3 allignments. And we all know how much the Pats like versatile players.

 

I'll add more after our 1.28 pick.

 

1.28 Chris Houston, CB, Ark

 

patriotsfatboy1 and I were split on this pick. He had Revis as the best CB available and I had Houston. Revis went at 1.27, so we "settled" on Houston. Just happy that one of these two fell to us at 1.28. As I've seen posted, Houston has matched up against some of the top WRs coming out in this draft and did very well against them. Which IMO gives him a bit of a head start in dealing with NFL level WRs. On the Pats he'll have at least one season to learn behind Samuel (before he potentially leaves for FA) and Hobbs at CB and learn from Harrison, which will essentially be his senior year in college. Then in 2008 he should assume a starting role. For me it was his performance against the top WRs combined with his combine numbers that tipped the scales for me over Revis, but I'd be happy with either.

 

Looking back at the 1.24 pick, we had Posluszny, Revis, Houston and (one other CB that hasn't been drafted yet) in our sights. If one of the 3 CBs stood out above the other two for us we would have gone CB at 1.24 and then hoped for Posluszny to fall to 1.28 (which we felt there was a good chance of with the Jets, Eagles and Saints looking at other positions). However, since we felt the 3 CBs were comparable and that there was a better chance that one of them would fall to 1.28 than Posluszny, we decided to pull the trigger on the LB and see who fell in our laps at 1.28.

 

Just hope the Pats real draft works out this well :fingerscrossed:

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Can we just be crowned the winners of this now and save some time?

[The_Mad_Cats 0]

Can we just be crowned the winners of this now and save some time?

 

JScott and Patriotsfatboy1 are who they THOUGHT they were! You want to go ahead and crown 'em, go ahead! Crown their asses!! THEY WERE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!

[hellothere 1]

i do believe San Diego would rather spend this pick on a Safety than any other position, however after the top 3 there is a big drop off. There is another guy some will mention, but after his showing of his character this year i don't think he is a first round pick. He is also the benefit of the "school's" reputation for NFL speed.

 

R.Meachem had a fantastic combine and really lit it up this year on the field. There is almost no telling what order the WR will be drafted after CJ come draft day. The Charger's O is in good shape, but looking at their D, they are pretty great there too. Other possibilities are drafting a MLB for the future, or adding OLine depth as they are getting thin and old on the interior. However, Meachem has the ability to develop into a #1, and if not a more solid #2 than E.Parker. V.Jackson looks promising, but McCardell is held together by duck tape and can't be counted on for the future.

[JScott 20]

JScott and Patriotsfatboy1 are who they THOUGHT they were! You want to go ahead and crown 'em, go ahead! Crown their asses!! THEY WERE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!

 

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

1.28 Chris Houston, CB, Ark

 

patriotsfatboy1 and I were split on this pick. He had Revis as the best CB available and I had Houston. Revis went at 1.27, so we "settled" on Houston. Just happy that one of these two fell to us at 1.28. As I've seen posted, Houston has matched up against some of the top WRs coming out in this draft and did very well against them. Which IMO gives him a bit of a head start in dealing with NFL level WRs. On the Pats he'll have at least one season to learn behind Samuel (before he potentially leaves for FA) and Hobbs at CB and learn from Harrison, which will essentially be his senior year in college. Then in 2008 he should assume a starting role. For me it was his performance against the top WRs combined with his combine numbers that tipped the scales for me over Revis, but I'd be happy with either.

 

Looking back at the 1.24 pick, we had Posluszny, Revis, Houston and (one other CB that hasn't been drafted yet) in our sights. If one of the 3 CBs stood out above the other two for us we would have gone CB at 1.24 and then hoped for Posluszny to fall to 1.28 (which we felt there was a good chance of with the Jets, Eagles and Saints looking at other positions). However, since we felt the 3 CBs were comparable and that there was a better chance that one of them would fall to 1.28 than Posluszny, we decided to pull the trigger on the LB and see who fell in our laps at 1.28.

 

Just hope the Pats real draft works out this well :fingerscrossed:

 

How do you know that would be working out well as far as BB is concerned?

[JScott 20]

i do believe San Diego would rather spend this pick on a Safety than any other position, however after the top 3 there is a big drop off. There is another guy some will mention, but after his showing of his character this year i don't think he is a first round pick. He is also the benefit of the "school's" reputation for NFL speed.

 

R.Meachem had a fantastic combine and really lit it up this year on the field. There is almost no telling what order the WR will be drafted after CJ come draft day. The Charger's O is in good shape, but looking at their D, they are pretty great there too. Other possibilities are drafting a MLB for the future, or adding OLine depth as they are getting thin and old on the interior. However, Meachem has the ability to develop into a #1, and if not a more solid #2 than E.Parker. V.Jackson looks promising, but McCardell is held together by duck tape and can't be counted on for the future.

 

Didn't the Chargers release him already

 

 

ETA: Good pick of Meachem here for SD

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

How do you know that would be working out well as far as BB is concerned?

 

We talked about that. If Ginn or Jarrett were there when we picked (or some other player), would we have picked them even though needs dictated LB and secondary help? Who knows what the Patriots would really do, but the reality is that if you look at where they were picking, if you could have had one of the top rated LB's and one of the top rated CB's, then you would be pretty happy.

[JScott 20]

We talked about that. If Ginn or Jarrett were there when we picked (or some other player), would we have picked them even though needs dictated LB and secondary help? Who knows what the Patriots would really do, but the reality is that if you look at where they were picking, if you could have had one of the top rated LB's and one of the top rated CB's, then you would be pretty happy.

[Erb047 0]

We talked about that. If Ginn or Jarrett were there when we picked (or some other player), would we have picked them even though needs dictated LB and secondary help? Who knows what the Patriots would really do, but the reality is that if you look at where they were picking, if you could have had one of the top rated LB's and one of the top rated CB's, then you would be pretty happy.

 

I doubt they would go after another WR, after already acquiring Welker, Stallworth, and Washington. I think LB and CB are realisitic choices at those positions.

[JScott 20]

I doubt they would go after another WR, after already acquiring Welker, Stallworth, and Washington. I think LB and CB are realisitic choices at those positions.

 

Not so fast my friend... two things to think about:

 

1.) A few years ago the Pats had 3 viable TEs on their roster, one of which was D.Graham, drafted the year before and they still drafted Watson in the 1st round. TE wasn't a position of need, but according to BB Watson was by far the best value on the board. And he was looking down the road as to how Watson would fit in.

 

2.) Which leads into the second point. With the way the Stallworth and Washington contracts are set, the Pats would have to pay A LOT of $$$ to each in 2008. Leaving me (and most Pats fans) to believe that they're here for one season and one season only (unless they restructure, but that's doubtful). So looking down the road a year or two, the Pats will need to replentish the WR corp.

 

So IF Ginn or Jarrett fell to 1.24 and BB sees them as good value there I wouldn't be suprised if he pulled one of those WRs off the board.

[RicemanX 20]

damn, I wanted blalock pretty badly

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Not so fast my friend... two things to think about:

 

1.) A few years ago the Pats had 3 viable TEs on their roster, one of which was D.Graham, drafted the year before and they still drafted Watson in the 1st round. TE wasn't a position of need, but according to BB Watson was by far the best value on the board. And he was looking down the road as to how Watson would fit in.

 

2.) Which leads into the second point. With the way the Stallworth and Washington contracts are set, the Pats would have to pay A LOT of $$$ to each in 2008. Leaving me (and most Pats fans) to believe that they're here for one season and one season only (unless they restructure, but that's doubtful). So looking down the road a year or two, the Pats will need to replentish the WR corp.

 

So IF Ginn or Jarrett fell to 1.24 and BB sees them as good value there I wouldn't be suprised if he pulled one of those WRs off the board.

 

Exactly. Don't rule out a RB, OL, or DL if guys slip at the 28th spot. You can't go in expecting that everyone is going to do as you think. This draft is heavy on WR talent in the first round (particularly late first) and the deals that Washington and Stallworth have signed makes them (likely) one year contracts.

 

For once, we actually thought this stuff out.

[Kitsnow 0]

sigh.. damn chicago. Can't win a superbowl and holding up the draft

[MicktheGreat 1]

sigh.. damn chicago. Can't win a superbowl and holding up the draft

If somebody decides to pick for Chicago, here are some realistic possibilities (IMO):

1. OG Ben Grubbs, Auburn

(Bears need to find a replacement for aged Reuben Brown)

2. DT Justin Harrell, Tennessee

(With Ian Scott potentially leaving & Tank Johnson's legal problems, DT depth is a concern)

3. DT Quinn Pitcock, Ohio St.

(Same reason as Harrell)

4. CB Aaron Ross, Texas

(Not really an immediate need for them but a great value at this point in the draft)

5. WR Sidney Rice

(Again, not an immediate need but a good value pick & Muhammed is getting up there in age)

 

Personally, I think Grubbs or Harrell make the most sense...

 

[Kitsnow 0]

He was last active during his time to pick

[Kitsnow 0]

Weill i've made my pick....

[swamp dog 0]

shanefalco:

 

are you around this weekend? i think the plan is for you to make the next lion pick if you want it. if you want to converse about it, shoot me an email. otherwise go for it.

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i apologize to you guys. i know i held you up. i had been checking it and checking it, was even gonna give a list of potential picks, it just slipped past me yesterday amidst a hectic day. i know you all have schedules and lives, too, so no excuses. sorry.

 

thanks for making the pick.

[RicemanX 20]

ARGGGG. I hate everyone! I had 3 choices left with 4 guys ahead of me, and of course, all the OGs and OTs I wanted got taken. Oh well, the Raiders NEED help at the o line.

[JScott 20]

i apologize to you guys. i know i held you up. i had been checking it and checking it, was even gonna give a list of potential picks, it just slipped past me yesterday amidst a hectic day. i know you all have schedules and lives, too, so no excuses. sorry.

 

thanks for making the pick.

 

It's all good 9, we all get busy, that's why we made the pick for you. Figured you wouldn't mind. Thanks for checking in and letting us know what happened

[Kitsnow 0]

all of the LB's i wanted that i was willing to take in the first were gone. So I took the need i was willing to invest in at the pick

[swamp dog 0]

good pick at 2.2 shanefalco

 

i thought ross or that mccauley dude at that spot would be the best picks. i really see no way around the lions taking a cb at that spot--especially if they don't trade down.

[MicktheGreat 1]

good pick at 2.2 shanefalco

 

i thought ross or that mccauley dude at that spot would be the best picks. i really see no way around the lions taking a cb at that spot--especially if they don't trade down.

The Lions' draft has gone very well so far--nabbed the best OT (Joe Thomas) in the draft in the 1st round and got an excellent value pick (CB Aaron Ross) in the 2nd round. In fact, I really believe that Ross could eventually end up being the best CB in this draft...

 

Congrats on having a great mock-draft Lions' fans...

 

The Lions' picks in real-life are guaranteed to be much, much worse...

[vinniedasquid 0]

At 2.3 I didn't see any offensive players remaining that I felt were worthy of that pick. Plus I think that the Bucs' offensive problems last year were due to youth and iffy playcalling and coaching more than a lack of talent, except perhaps at the WR position. On defense, they looked like the aging squad they are. The addition of Cato June gives them another LB who is solid in pass coverage and hopefully can help their tackling, which was often horrible last season, which is out of character for this squad. Again the age factor.

 

The first round selection of Gaines Adams and the addition of Kevin Carter more than make up for the free agent defection of Dewayne White. But they don't do enough to improve the defense's worst problem last season, stopping the run. Brandon Meriweather has a great burst from the S position. He excels against the run, and combines that with the talents to blitz the QB and play shutdown man coverage when needed. With a bit more size he could excel as an NFL SS, but can play either safety position.

 

Besides being a little smaller than ideal (5'11", 190-195 lbs.), his biggest problem right now is his character issues. Last year he had a firearm incident, and was suspended for going apesh!t during the UM-FIU brawl. Gruden hasn't hesitated to bring in "troubled" players in the past, so this seems like a natural pick. Plus the franchise found success before with a Miami player whose stock dropped because of character issues, Warren Sapp.

 

As long as they can keep Meriweather from going all Haynesworth on anyone, this should work out well for the Bucs

[Chronic Husker 85]

If any Bronco homers want input on our second round pick, woodyhayesff@yahoo.com

 

I'm thinking DE or safety, obviously. But O-line might be an option, too. Or BPA.....whatever.

 

Think about it. San Diego grabbed that friggin monster out of Auburn last year in the second round. That dude's already one of the best linemen in the league. How the fock did that guy last until the second round?

 

Granted, I don't know his name, but Broncos need a monster like that.

 

The Lions' draft has gone very well so far--nabbed the best OT (Joe Thomas) in the draft in the 1st round and got an excellent value pick (CB Aaron Ross) in the 2nd round. In fact, I really believe that Ross could eventually end up being the best CB in this draft...

 

Congrats on having a great mock-draft Lions' fans...

 

The Lions' picks in real-life are guaranteed to be much, much worse...

What he said.

[JScott 20]

The Lions' draft has gone very well so far--nabbed the best OT (Joe Thomas) in the draft in the 1st round and got an excellent value pick (CB Aaron Ross) in the 2nd round. In fact, I really believe that Ross could eventually end up being the best CB in this draft...

 

Very good pick of Ross at 2.2. He was in our discussion at 1.24 and if patriotsfanboy1 had been a little quicker ( ) we would have taken Ross at 1.28 but I beat him to it and took Houstor instead.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Very good pick of Ross at 2.2. He was in our discussion at 1.24 and if patriotsfanboy1 had been a little quicker ( ) we would have taken Ross at 1.28 but I beat him to it and took Houstor instead.

Now, don't go giving away our secrets. I am planning on writing a book about our strategy sessions for this mock draft. Really, quite a compelling drama. I laughed, I cried, I was moved.

[JScott 20]

Now, don't go giving away our secrets. I am planning on writing a book about our strategy sessions for this mock draft. Really, quite a compelling drama. I laughed, I cried, I was moved.

 

[Walter34 3]

The Bears have pick #37 via the TJ trade.

[JetsFan28 0]

The Bears have pick #37 via the TJ trade.

Correct. So I am not on the clock.