Homer Mock Draft - ** DISCUSSION THREAD **

[jocstrap 8]

The steelers new coach appears to be a jackass.

 

 

Mick - I'm out until 1:00 today, go ahead and take somebody cause it looks like we finally might get to the 19th pick.

[Chronic Husker 85]

The steelers new coach appears to be a jackass.

[JScott 20]

smitty should be waking up in about an hour to make the pick

[pook187 0]

I'm not sure if someone already mentioned this, but the Pat's late 2nd round pick (60ish) belongs to the Fins.

[adam smitty 0]

smitty should be waking up in about an hour to make the pick

Good call

 

With Lynch and Landry gone, I felt like Nelson was the best way to go without trading down. He will instantly start for us and improve the already solid pass defense.

[JScott 20]

Good call

 

 

 

 

With Lynch and Landry gone, I felt like Nelson was the best way to go without trading down. He will instantly start for us and improve the already solid pass defense.

 

I'm certainly no Packers expert by any means, and I do like Nelson as a 1st rounder, but I think this is high for him. The Pack have multiple needs and I think BPA would have fit the bill, and I don't think Nelson is the BPA at this point IMHO.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I'm not sure if someone already mentioned this, but the Pat's late 2nd round pick (60ish) belongs to the Fins.

 

STFU!

 

 

 

 

 

J/K. I was going to mention it myself, but I figured we were having enough problems getting through the first round and we had PLENTY of time

[yostevo 0]

Smitty stole my initial pick (Nelson) just the pick before me but I was back n forth between him and Jarvis Moss to begin with so he's a nice consolation prize IMO. Moss is a bit raw still but has been compared to Javon Kearse and that's saying something. Throw him on an already good defense where he won't be so exposed as a youngster and it would be a solid move.

 

Jacksonville has a very good defense but remarkably they were only 18th overrall in total sacks. A big part of that was due to losing DE Reggie Hayward to a torn achilles in the first game of the year. Reports suggest he's coming along but I'd be worried if I were the Jags brass. Worst case scenario I think is that Moss starts right from the get go, and best case would be to have Hayward and Moss on both ends during passing downs.

[MicktheGreat 1]

The NFL Network is reporting that the Falcons have traded QB Matt Schaub to the Texans for a 2nd round pick and some more stuff...

 

If this is true, then Mack1 made the right choice in this mock by passing on Quinn and taking Levi Brown...

[kutulu 1,676]

The NFL Network is reporting that the Falcons have traded QB Matt Schaub to the Texans for a 2nd round pick and some more stuff...

 

If this is true, then Mack1 made the right choice in this mock by passing on Quinn and taking Levi Brown...

 

(March 21, 2007) -- A trade that has been speculated on for over a year is now completed.

 

By day's end, the Atlanta Falcons will trade backup quarterback Matt Schaub to the Houston Texans, according to NFL sources. The Texans will surrender a second-round draft pick, and there could be other compensation involved.

 

The trade has massive ramifications. The Texans have their quarterback of the future, which David Carr no longer is. The Falcons are reaffirming their faith in Michael Vick, who now also needs a new backup. And the Texans are out of the Brady Quinn derby, leaving the Detroit Lions, Cleveland Browns, Minnesota Vikings and Miami Dolphins as possible landing spots.

 

The trade, once officially completed, validates the Falcons' commitment to Vick, whom new Atlanta head coach Bobby Petrino told the first time they met, "You're my guy."

 

Since then, Petrino and Vick have been working together closely on an almost daily basis, prepping for the coming season.

 

The Falcons, who quietly had been entertaining offers for Schaub this offseason, had tendered their backup quarterback a $2 million offer, meaning that any team that signed him to an offer sheet would have to surrender first- and third-round draft choices to the Falcons. Of course, the Falcons also could always trade Schaub, and that is the course of action the team has pursued.

 

The Texans will be acquiring a quarterback that has thrown only 161 career passes, 81 of which were completed, with six touchdown passes and six interceptions. But Schaub long has been considered a quarterback worthy of starting, and he was the top bargaining chip the Falcons have.

 

Now they've decided to cash it in.

 

~Adam Schefter

[Mack 1 6]

I understand Jarvis Moss had a whopping 14 reps of 225 lbs.; plus I heard he's immature, as evidenced by an incident during an interview on Sirius NFL Radio.

 

If that's indeed the case -- especially the apparent lack of strength -- picking him this high could prove to be a gamble.

[Erb047 0]

I'm not sure if someone already mentioned this, but the Pat's late 2nd round pick (60ish) belongs to the Fins.

 

Good call. I didn't even look at the 2nd round order...

[yostevo 0]

I understand Jarvis Moss had a whopping 14 reps of 225 lbs.; plus I heard he's immature, as evidenced by an incident during an interview on Sirius NFL Radio.

 

If that's indeed the case -- especially the apparent lack of strength -- picking him this high could prove to be a gamble.

 

He actually did 16 reps not that it makes much of a difference. I agree he's got some work ahead of him but from what I've read he's got the type of frame that he can add weight to so I guess it will be up to him and the training department. Most of the picks in this range start to become a bit of a gamble IMO but I feel he's got a lot of upside still.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

16. Green Bay Packers - S Reggie Nelson - Florida

 

 

I understand the choice, but I'm less and less excited about him. He's quite dumb from what I've heard. I would've considered either Leon Hall or Michael Griffin here instead.

 

Just my opinion.

[The_Mad_Cats 0]

16. Green Bay Packers - S Reggie Nelson - Florida

I understand the choice, but I'm less and less excited about him. He's quite dumb from what I've heard. I would've considered either Leon Hall or Michael Griffin here instead.

 

Just my opinion.

 

I really like Griffin and Hall /a lot/ more than I like Nelson. Carolina needs safety help badly, but I couldn't pull the trigger on Nelson. We already have one player (Gamble) in the secondary with what I'll be kind and call 'questionable decision making skills'.

[MicktheGreat 1]

19. Titans -- WR Dwayne Bowe, LSU

 

The Titans have alot of needs--WR, DE, CB, DT, S, & backp RB.

 

At the #19 pick, I was originally considering either DE or WR. At DE, the Titans need a player who is particularly stout against the run and who would allow Travis LaBoy to come in on 3rd-downs and passing situations (where he should excel). Adam Carriker was a player that I thought could potentially be available at this pick; but he was already gone. There are some other good run-stuffing DEs; however, they would be a bit of a reach in the mid-1st round.

 

CB is also a major concern thanks to Pacman's troubles. The NFL Commish's most passionate topic is league image and player discipline. He is expected to come down with a considerable suspension on Pacman (essentially, making an example out of him). Most expect this to happen after he meets with the owners and NFLPA next week (as both the owners and NFLPA are apparently in favor of a harsher punishment for "problem" players). Right now, the rumor is that Pacman will be suspended at LEAST the first 8 games of the season--and there's a possibility that he could be suspended for the whole season. Even though he hasn't been convicted of a crime, he hid the fact from the Titans that he'd been arrested in Georgia twice last year. The Titans front-office (Bud Adams, Jeff Fisher, Mike Reinfeldt, etc.) are NOT expected to appeal the NFL's suspension decision on Pacman's behalf. All of that is to say that CB was definitely considered with this #19 pick--especially with Leon Hall on the board. But, Hall was taken with the #18 pick...

 

Ultimately, WR was the best-position-value at the #19 pick--potential options being Dwayne Bowe, Dwayne Jarrett, Ted Ginn, & Robert Meachem. However, I'm a little wary of Jarrett's lack of speed (and how that will translate to the NFL); and Ginn strikes me as a bit one-dimensional. So, my decision came down to Bowe & Meachem. Meachem is certainly a very talented player with good size and great speed. However, I went with Bowe as I felt he was a surer bet than Meachem. Bowe has the measureables to be a great NFL WR, and he also excels at a lot of the little things that don't show up in the FF scores (most notably, he's a superb blocker and a real team-leader).

 

[jocstrap 8]

I was a little surprised with the pick mick. I read up on Bowe and he sounds great, an he will work well with Young at Qb. I definitely see the need now that Bennett is gone. Wade and Jones are pretty solid so this does help the depth situation. I too was hoping for either Carriker or Okoye (there is one more run stuffer QP - that I also was interested in). Also there was your choice of OLB that could have been a nice pickup. PP and LT. All in all it was a good pick and well have to address the def the next few rounds

[MicktheGreat 1]

I was a little surprised with the pick mick. I read up on Bowe and he sounds great, an he will work well with Young at Qb. I definitely see the need now that Bennett is gone. Wade and Jones are pretty solid so this does help the depth situation. I too was hoping for either Carriker or Okoye (there is one more run stuffer QP - that I also was interested in). Also there was your choice of OLB that could have been a nice pickup. PP and LT. All in all it was a good pick and well have to address the def the next few rounds

 

Well...Bennett (Rams) AND Wade (Vikings) are gone. Plus, Givens' injury was apparently pretty serious and he may not be ready for the start of the season. We signed Justin Gage at WR last week, but he's pretty unproven and seems like a #3 or #4 WR. I think B. Jones is a solid #2 WR. The Titans need to improve their WR core so that VY can continue to improve his passing game. I believe that Bowe will be a legit #1 WR for many years.

 

Yeah, like I said, Carriker was probably my #1 choice; however, he was gone way before our pick.

 

I think our OLB position is pretty set with Keith Bulluck and David Thornton. We have some ??? at MLB--but the Titans' brass seem content to let Ryan Fowler & Stephen Tulloch battle it out for the starting job.

[Sho Nuff 720]

19. Titans -- WR Dwayne Bowe, LSU

 

The Titans have alot of needs--WR, DE, CB, DT, S, & backp RB.

 

At the #19 pick, I was originally considering either DE or WR. At DE, the Titans need a player who is particularly stout against the run and who would allow Travis LaBoy to come in on 3rd-downs and passing situations (where he should excel). Adam Carriker was a player that I thought could potentially be available at this pick; but he was already gone. There are some other good run-stuffing DEs; however, they would be a bit of a reach in the mid-1st round.

 

CB is also a major concern thanks to Pacman's troubles. The NFL Commish's most passionate topic is league image and player discipline. He is expected to come down with a considerable suspension on Pacman (essentially, making an example out of him). Most expect this to happen after he meets with the owners and NFLPA next week (as both the owners and NFLPA are apparently in favor of a harsher punishment for "problem" players). Right now, the rumor is that Pacman will be suspended at LEAST the first 8 games of the season--and there's a possibility that he could be suspended for the whole season. Even though he hasn't been convicted of a crime, he hid the fact from the Titans that he'd been arrested in Georgia twice last year. The Titans front-office (Bud Adams, Jeff Fisher, Mike Reinfeldt, etc.) are NOT expected to appeal the NFL's suspension decision on Pacman's behalf. All of that is to say that CB was definitely considered with this #19 pick--especially with Leon Hall on the board. But, Hall was taken with the #18 pick...

 

Ultimately, WR was the best-position-value at the #19 pick--potential options being Dwayne Bowe, Dwayne Jarrett, Ted Ginn, & Robert Meachem. However, I'm a little wary of Jarrett's lack of speed (and how that will translate to the NFL); and Ginn strikes me as a bit one-dimensional. So, my decision came down to Bowe & Meachem. Meachem is certainly a very talented player with good size and great speed. However, I went with Bowe as I felt he was a surer bet than Meachem. Bowe has the measureables to be a great NFL WR, and he also excels at a lot of the little things that don't show up in the FF scores (most notably, he's a superb blocker and a real team-leader).

 

 

I don't mind the pick...but IMO, with the possible suspension of Pac...if you are not going corner...why not Ginn?

Meaning, fill both a need at WR, and possible need of an electric return guy to replace Pac...

[Mack 1 6]

I'm not sure if someone already mentioned this, but the Pat's late 2nd round pick (60ish) belongs to the Fins.

Interesting. I got the order from NFL.com; I'll make the change.

[jocstrap 8]

Well...Bennett (Rams) AND Wade (Vikings) are gone. Plus, Givens' injury was apparently pretty serious and he may not be ready for the start of the season. We signed Justin Gage at WR last week, but he's pretty unproven and seems like a #3 or #4 WR. I think B. Jones is a solid #2 WR. The Titans need to improve their WR core so that VY can continue to improve his passing game. I believe that Bowe will be a legit #1 WR for many years.

 

Yeah, like I said, Carriker was probably my #1 choice; however, he was gone way before our pick.

 

I think our OLB position is pretty set with Keith Bulluck and David Thornton. We have some ??? at MLB--but the Titans' brass seem content to let Ryan Fowler & Stephen Tulloch battle it out for the starting job.

 

 

I forgot Wade was gone. That doesn't leave much to choose from in the WR corps. I liked Gage a couple of years ago and hope he can still produce. I wasn't sure about Bulluck's age as I thought he was getting up there in years. Go Bowe Go!

[MicktheGreat 1]

I don't mind the pick...but IMO, with the possible suspension of Pac...if you are not going corner...why not Ginn?

Meaning, fill both a need at WR, and possible need of an electric return guy to replace Pac...

Yes, Ginn is an great special-teams player. However, I just think Bowe is a MUCH better WR and that his skills translate very well to the NFL.

 

We need a kick-returner/punt-returner; but I didn't want that to affect which player we took in the 1st round (essentially taking a lesser WR just because he's a good returner, when we REALLY need the best WR that we can get). We could grab a good special-teamer in the mid-rounds...

 

[adam smitty 0]

16. Green Bay Packers - S Reggie Nelson - Florida

I understand the choice, but I'm less and less excited about him. He's quite dumb from what I've heard. I would've considered either Leon Hall or Michael Griffin here instead.

 

Just my opinion.

Hall was a guy I considered here but felt like it was a tad early for him. Might have been early for Nelson too, but the S position was more of a need right now.

[The_Mad_Cats 0]

Yes, Ginn is an great special-teams player. However, I just think Bowe is a MUCH better WR and that his skills translate very well to the NFL.

 

We need a kick-returner/punt-returner; but I didn't want that to affect which player we took in the 1st round (essentially taking a lesser WR just because he's a good returner, when we REALLY need the best WR that we can get). We could grab a good special-teamer in the mid-rounds...

 

 

Yeah. Ginn's frame especially makes me feel he's going to be the next Dante Hall. Which is fine, but the Titans need more out of their pick in the first round. I like the Bowe pick.

[Erb047 0]

Yeah. Ginn's frame especially makes me feel he's going to be the next Dante Hall. Which is fine, but the Titans need more out of their pick in the first round. I like the Bowe pick.

 

 

Agreed. Kind of like a Devin Hester for 2007. Cant really see him producing as a WR, but definitely could be one hell of a return man once his ankle heals.

[JScott 20]

patriotsfatboy1 - YGM

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

patriotsfatboy1 - YGM

 

I responded. Let's see what these chumps in front of us do. Heck, I could come back next month and we would still not be up

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

18. Cincinnati Bengals - CB Leon Hall - Michigan

19. Tennessee Titans - WR Dwayne Bowe - LSU

 

 

Both solid picks here. Leon Hall fills a need for Cincy and he's a great value there. I like Bowe a lot and think he'd be great with Vince. Much better than Ginn imo.

[JScott 20]

I responded. Let's see what these chumps in front of us do. Heck, I could come back next month and we would still not be up

 

Got your reply. I'll respond in a few.

[JScott 20]

Got your reply. I'll respond in a few.

 

YGM

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

the steelers pick was a trainwreck

 

first Kalil has gotten a 2nd round grade at his highest, second taking a C in the first is unusual, especially so high, third taking interior OL in the first is rare enough, too many to be had in later rounds. he would have a decent shot of being there at Pitt's 2nd round pick in the real draft imo. he just got too much buzz during combine coverage, and though good he is undersized and plays a position where talent is easier to find than other areas. don't like this pick

 

 

I chose him for the following reasons.

 

1. Our center retired.

2. First round center should be cheap to sign, a big plus if you look at our salary cap situation.

3. All the mock drafts that i have seen, the steelers are reaching to draft someone that is projected in the 25-35 spot.

4. Steelers like to draft first round players they know can have an immediate impact.

5. Steelers tend to draft "needs" as opposed to best player remaining on the board.

6. Lots of mock drafts have this center going to the ravens in the first round. While they are 10 picks behind us. This still messes up there pick and gets us our need.

7. This adds youth to an aging line.

8. This makes it so we dont have to worry about c position for 10 years.

 

 

 

 

 

I believe we could trade down to 5-10 spots and still grab this player, which is what i would prefer to happen, but no trading allowed.

[FlaHawker 24]

the steelers pick was a trainwreck

 

first Kalil has gotten a 2nd round grade at his highest, second taking a C in the first is unusual, especially so high, third taking interior OL in the first is rare enough, too many to be had in later rounds. he would have a decent shot of being there at Pitt's 2nd round pick in the real draft imo. he just got too much buzz during combine coverage, and though good he is undersized and plays a position where talent is easier to find than other areas. don't like this pick

 

Reminds me of Mel Kiper blasting the Jets for picking Jeff Lageman: "It's obvious to me that MTSki doesn't understand what the draft is all about..."

[Vikings4ever 550]

Reminds me of Mel Kiper blasting the Jets for picking Jeff Lageman: "It's obvious to me that MTSki doesn't understand what the draft is all about..."

[JScott 20]

 

LMFAO

 

I forgot about O'Brien over Marino, Brady over Sapp, etc... ha ha ha ha

 

Crassic

[Saint Elistan 106]

No comments on Okoye?

 

I'll bite. What we need most is pass rush. Our biggest need was DE. Carriker would have been the best pick as he should have gone earlier. If that's not an option, Willis becomes the best target for us. We already picked up a NT in FA, so Nolan likely wont go this route unless he thinks Okoye can be successfully moved to DE...but who cares, this is for fun.

[football_scooter 0]

I'll bite. What we need most is pass rush. Our biggest need was DE. Carriker would have been the best pick as he should have gone earlier. If that's not an option, Willis becomes the best target for us. We already picked up a NT in FA, so Nolan likely wont go this route unless he thinks Okoye can be successfully moved to DE...but who cares, this is for fun.

 

See, I figured that would be the criticism of this pick and I am prepared to defend it:

 

I looked at what was left of the pass-rushing DEs, and was not as impressed as I was with Okaye. Okaye is unlikely to be moved to a DE role, and at his size/strength I'm not sure I'd want to see it.

 

But one of the most important positions in Nolans defensive scheme is the nose tackle. And while we picked up a pretty ok one in FA, he's nowhere near the specimin that Okaye is. The rookie will need time to adjust to the speed of the NFL and the FA pickup will help fill the need, but Okaye would potentially be a staple of the defense for years.

 

In making this selection, I tried to consider the long-term. While it's sexy to reach for one of the mid-tier DEs to fill the immediate need, I also have to consider the talent for the pick. I didn't want to squander an 11th overall on a pretty good DE when I can get a potentially great nose tackle. Agree about the need for pass rush - didn't see Carriker being worth the pick at 11. I agree he's a talent, and I've seen mocks where the Niners take him at 11...but in every one of those Okaye went several picks before. If they were both on the board, I honestly believe the Niners would take Okaye for the very reasons I mentioned. He was simply the best player available at the time I picked.

 

Besides, with 10+ million more to spend in FA and another 7 picks, I have to believe the Niners will use some of that $ or picks on pass rush.

[RicemanX 20]

 

Besides, with 10+ million more to spend in FA and another 7 picks, I have to believe the Niners will use some of that $ or picks on pass rush.

Or use those 7 picks to trade up.

[football_scooter 0]

Or use those 7 picks to trade up.

 

that occurred to me to, but since no trades, I had to pull at 11.

 

I would love to see them move up to take Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. It might be that Anderson is there at 11, in which case he'd be the ultimate no-brainer pick. If the stock of Quinn continues to raise him into the top 10, there's a chance this will happen. But trading up would cinch it.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Okoye doesn't weigh and isn't tall enough to play NT in the 3-4. He's perfect for a 4-3 DT with a 320+ lb guy taking a double team. Okoye is best at penetrating. He's a squirmer, but if he finds himself in running lanes he's done. He's best in the Tampa 2 Defense.

 

You've got one thing right, though. He's got more upside than anyone else in the draft. He's not guaranteed to live up to the hype, but he could be a beast in about 4 years. That being said, I'd rather have an impact this year. Carriker was born to play DE in the 3-4, but he doesn't consistently make huge plays. If you watched the senior bowl, you know what Willis can do...I think he'll have the most impact and he just ran a 4.37 at his Pro Day.

[football_scooter 0]

Okoye doesn't weigh and isn't tall enough to play NT in the 3-4. He's perfect for a 4-3 DT with a 320+ lb guy taking a double team. Okoye is best at penetrating. He's a squirmer, but if he finds himself in running lanes he's done. He's best in the Tampa 2 Defense.

 

You've got one thing right, though. He's got more upside than anyone else in the draft. He's not guaranteed to live up to the hype, but he could be a beast in about 4 years. That being said, I'd rather have an impact this year. Carriker was born to play DE in the 3-4, but he doesn't consistently make huge plays. If you watched the senior bowl, you know what Willis can do...I think he'll have the most impact and he just ran a 4.37 at his Pro Day.

 

well, then lets hope for a trade to get one of the more consistent and best pass rusher in this draft in Adams or Anderson.