So sick of the teacher is underpaid crap!

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Teachers get 2 weeks off at Xmas, another week at Easter and 3 months off during summer. They get health insurance benefits for free that private sector people couldn't even dream about. Free. Their pension plans are out of this world. Yet, they complain about their pay while not teaching the kids anything.

 

Go to any fast food restaurant and give the cashier $11.20 for a $6.17 bill and watch what happens. The dull, confused look is incredible.

 

Link

 

It's a long read, but the bullet points at the beginning are enough to tell the true story.

[Giants Fan 85]

Then become a teacher.

 

[rallo 136]

the problem that is it so easy to get a teaching degree (no offense) at many colleges such as here at iowa it is a lot of people's "back-up" plan. mean..."oh... i don't get into dentistry school i'll be a biology/ chemistry teacher." Oh... i don't pan out being a physical therapist i'll be a PE teacher... "oh... i don't pan out with engineering or actuarial science... i'll teach physics or math"

 

only about 2 of my highschool teachers actually seemed like they cared about what they were doing... the others would just make us read our books during their class or hand out worksheets then sit their doing nothing.

 

it's not that teachers are overpaid... it's that only the dedicated teacher's deserve the wage while others should be getting paid babysitter wages

[nobody 2,690]

I agree that teachers aren't underpaid because if most people had a choice between doing their job for that compensation or being a teacher, they would choose teacher.

 

Of course the reason many people don't become teachers is because they have skills that allow them to make more money.

[pinfish_mauler 0]

They get health insurance benefits for free that private sector people couldn't even dream about. Free.

 

This is false. In many states, the monthly amount teachers must pay to receive insurance benefits has risen dramatically over the last few years. Glad to see you know how to check facts.

 

HTH

[lennie75 0]

This is false. In many states, the monthly amount teachers must pay to receive insurance benefits has risen dramatically over the last few years. Glad to see you know how to check facts.

 

HTH

Holy Crap...Health Care cots have gone up!! You've got to be kiddiing me...I'm sure no one knew about that one. Almost everyone's insurance costs have gone up dramatically.

 

Here is the point you can be a teacher and make just as much as a person in business getting an entry level job. Plus you only work about 2/3 of the year. On top of this most states offer huge increases for getting Master's, Doctorates and other certifications. Not to mention most of the time you can retire when you're 50 w/ full benefits!!

 

All that said I would like for Teachers to get paid more. But, as another poster said they will have to put more regulations on it...and make it harder to get jobs. Most teachers do not have any type of goals in order to keep their jobs....but Unions have done a lot of this as well. If I don't do my job I get fired...if a teacher doesn't they blame it on the kids, or the resources, or the parents. Nice job security!!!

[bob_probert_2000 1]

You're right we should complain about the people that essential raise and educate your kids. If you take them to a preschool, you'd pay about 700-800 a month for care, yet the people that ready your kids for life are overpaid?

 

Get over it, we pay NBA basketball players millions to play a game. We pay our teachers, police, firemen and military jack shiot to do the things necessary to make this place a better place to live.

 

The fact is that they are underpaid. I don't think you can pay them enough to take care of your self absorbed brats.

 

 

Your fast food example is weak. How about some responsibility to the parent to make sure their kids learn at home as well and take pride in good grades in school.

[Toro 1]

Teachers get 2 weeks off at Xmas, another week at Easter and 3 months off during summer. They get health insurance benefits for free that private sector people couldn't even dream about. Free. Their pension plans are out of this world. Yet, they complain about their pay while not teaching the kids anything.

 

Go to any fast food restaurant and give the cashier $11.20 for a $6.17 bill and watch what happens. The dull, confused look is incredible.

 

Link

 

It's a long read, but the bullet points at the beginning are enough to tell the true story.

 

This is all based on the school districts my wife has worked for..

 

1) They pay for their health insurance about the same as the private sector, 80/20. I think she pays 35 a paycheck. I pay around 40. Her insurance sucks ass too benefits wise and each year it's getting worse.

 

2) Their retirement actually sucks balls.

 

When calculating a monthly standard annuity, TRS uses the following

formula:

(1) Average of Highest Five* Annual Salaries (based

on creditable compensation)

(2) Total Years of Service Credit X 2.3% = Total %

(3) Total % X Average Salary = Annual Annuity

(4) Annual Annuity ÷ 12 = Monthly Standard Annuity

 

So if my wife works for 25 years, and the average top 5 is 50k, her annual retirement is: 28,750. Wow, that's incredible. Plus, she is not eligible for any SS and is unable to participate in any retirement programs other than Roth and a 403(.

 

3) Teachers and the school system are not the first line of defense in teaching your children. YOU ARE. So instead of complaining about how stupid your focking kids are because you were dumb enough to completely rely on the school system to educate your children.

 

4) Go look at the person behind the counter and ask them if they actually did homework or paid attention in class. Then ask them if their parents did anything to help, encourage or force them to work toward an education.

 

Not all teachers are focking John Keating. There are some out there that are absolutely horrible and did not want to teach in the first place, but you can't just walk off the street and start teaching (at least not in Texas). I looked into it because I would really love to do it, but they said that I would be required to go through the process of accreditation, which is about the same amount of college hours as getting my masters.

 

But most teachers out there are good people that are doing the best the can with NO SUPPORT FROM PARENTS, no supplies (most spend 100 - 500 a year of their own money to buy sh*t), and very little training or support from administration.

 

They make about what they should. But their retirements suck balls.

[pinfish_mauler 0]

Holy Crap...Health Care cots have gone up!! You've got to be kiddiing me...I'm sure no one knew about that one. Almost everyone's insurance costs have gone up dramatically.

 

 

 

 

Hey, Focknut, read his original post, which I quoted so you wouldn't miss it.

 

"They get health insurance benefits for free that private sector people couldn't even dream about. Free."

 

I'm not arguing your point.

 

Reading comprehension...catch it.

[lennie75 0]

You're right we should complain about the people that essential raise and educate your kids. If you take them to a preschool, you'd pay about 700-800 a month for care, yet the people that ready your kids for life are overpaid?

 

Get over it, we pay NBA basketball players millions to play a game. We pay our teachers, police, firemen and military jack shiot to do the things necessary to make this place a better place to live.

 

The fact is that they are underpaid. I don't think you can pay them enough to take care of your self absorbed brats.

Your fast food example is weak. How about some responsibility to the parent to make sure their kids learn at home as well and take pride in good grades in school.

The fast food example is about as weak as the NBA players example. We don't pay them...get over it.

 

Put it like this...a Teacher can make 50k...a teacher can get good health care (no matter how you break it down better than most occupations)...quit complaining about retirement, they can retire at age 45/50 in most states...most people average 2 weeks vacation...teachers get that at just Christmas...lets not mentino Easter, Spring Break, Fall Break, Thanksgiving....and oh yeah 2 months of summer!!! And as someone else said...if you want to make the excuse that they control our youth and therefore get paid more...well make it damn hard to be a teacher. Right now it is one of the easiest professions to get in and stay in...period.

[Toro 1]

The fast food example is about as weak as the NBA players example. We don't pay them...get over it.

 

Put it like this...a Teacher can make 50k...a teacher can get good health care (no matter how you break it down better than most occupations)...quit complaining about retirement, they can retire at age 45/50 in most states...most people average 2 weeks vacation...teachers get that at just Christmas...lets not mentino Easter, Spring Break, Fall Break, Thanksgiving....and oh yeah 2 months of summer!!! And as someone else said...if you want to make the excuse that they control our youth and therefore get paid more...well make it damn hard to be a teacher. Right now it is one of the easiest professions to get in and stay in...period.

 

1) A teacher can make 50k after about 15 years on the job.

2) Everyone can get good health care. It's called having a job that offers health insurance.

3) They can retire at 50? So can you if you can live off 28k a year.

4) They do get a lot of vacation. But do you know why? Because the school systems were designed around those time frames so that the children could be home for Christmas and work on the family farm during the summer. You want year round school? Get ready for your school taxes to increase 33%.

5) If it's so great, then why aren't you doing it?

[lennie75 0]

1) A teacher can make 50k after about 15 years on the job.

2) Everyone can get good health care. It's called having a job that offers health insurance.

3) They can retire at 50? So can you if you can live off 28k a year.

4) They do get a lot of vacation. But do you know why? Because the school systems were designed around those time frames so that the children could be home for Christmas and work on the family farm during the summer. You want year round school? Get ready for your school taxes to increase 33%.

5) If it's so great, then why aren't you doing it?

1. Depends on which state...as I said they get paid the same as most people going into entry level jobs

2. So you agree it is a good job...not arguing there

3. 28k a year which is not taxed...oh yeah that is equal to about 60k or so...I would be fine

4. Not complaining about vacations...I think it was you who complained they don't get paid enough.

5. I don't want to be a teacher..I have great respect for teachers. I just think they get paid plenty!!!!

[Toro 1]

1. Depends on which state...as I said they get paid the same as most people going into entry level jobs

2. So you agree it is a good job...not arguing there

3. 28k a year which is not taxed...oh yeah that is equal to about 60k or so...I would be fine

4. Not complaining about vacations...I think it was you who complained they don't get paid enough.

5. I don't want to be a teacher..I have great respect for teachers. I just think they get paid plenty!!!!

 

1. You just can't say "entry level job" as some blanket statement. Every career path has it's own salary structures. They get paid about 30k starting. I started at 35k at my entry level job in IT. I know guys with management degrees working at Enterprise Rent-A-Car making 28k. The difference between the private sector and teachers is scale and ability to move to other positions to get paid more.

 

I made a switch after the first year and half and almost doubled my salary. The only ways teachers make more is to:

1) Get a masters (My wife has hers and when she was just a teacher, it earned her an extra 3k a year.

2) Seniority

3) Do additional work, such as coaching

4) Become a principal or do some specialized or administration work. (see #1)

 

 

3. ERRRRRR!!!!! Wrong. It is taxed.

4. ERRRRRR!!!!! Wrong. I said "They make about what they should.".

[Sho Nuff 720]

Teachers get 2 weeks off at Xmas, another week at Easter and 3 months off during summer. They get health insurance benefits for free that private sector people couldn't even dream about. Free. Their pension plans are out of this world. Yet, they complain about their pay while not teaching the kids anything.

 

Go to any fast food restaurant and give the cashier $11.20 for a $6.17 bill and watch what happens. The dull, confused look is incredible.

 

Link

 

It's a long read, but the bullet points at the beginning are enough to tell the true story.

 

 

Actually, many places the health insurance sucks.

 

Tennessee for example, the insurance is up to the county, not the state. And it is not free.

3 months during the summer? Not so much anymore given the expanding school years in places...year round schooling...block scheduling.

[remote controller 143]

Teachers, Cops, and Firemen should make more money, and that money should come directly from whack Lawyers, and looney College Profs.

[kpbuckeye 3]

teachers suck

 

 

dey lets me threw, must be somtnig rong.

[RLLD 4,252]

Then become a teacher.

 

 

For that little bit of money....

[Fumbleweed 547]

A couple of things here:

 

My mom has taught school for nearly 40 years. She is going to retire in a year or two....maybe after this year....she's 63.

 

She has worked her butt off. She gets to school at 7:15 AM...leaves about 5:15 PM, comes home, eats supper and then grades papers and works on lesson plans most of the evening. I have watched her for many years work extremely hard.

 

My dad is a teacher. He used to be a corporate executive. He has said repeatedly that teaching is the more time-consuming, energy-consuming job. By far. He said the rigors of the corporate experience could be more "stressful", but that he definitely works harder and longer now.

 

I work within a school system. While there are some poor teachers to be sure, the majority of them are intelligent, hard-working individuals who really sincerely care about the welfare of your children. We do get off a lot, but it's 2 months in the summer now instead of the 3 and many (like me) work a month of summer school....so it's really only July off. Plus, many teachers are now asked to do all their workshops in the summer so that it does not cut into instruction time, so that cuts into time off as well.

 

Teachers work a lot harder than most people realize. And, they are expected to be at a lot of school events that occur after normal working hours. It is a very tough job. Not without its rewards to be sure, but I find the initial post in this thread to be woefully uninformed.

[Guest Davaco]

Teachers get 2 weeks off at Xmas, another week at Easter and 3 months off during summer. They get health insurance benefits for free that private sector people couldn't even dream about. Free. Their pension plans are out of this world. Yet, they complain about their pay while not teaching the kids anything.

 

Go to any fast food restaurant and give the cashier $11.20 for a $6.17 bill and watch what happens. The dull, confused look is incredible.

 

Link

 

It's a long read, but the bullet points at the beginning are enough to tell the true story.

yea but they dont get paid during the summer. if you didnt work for those 3 months, you wouldnt get paid either

 

hth

 

plus, depending on the state you live in (NY and CA) , all full time teachers must have a masters degree. most other professions with a 5 year degree, make more than 40k to start and max out at much more than 80k.

 

hence the need to give great benefits and paid time off (not the summer)

 

lastly, in the vast majority of states, teachers earn much less than the ones in NYS and dont have the benefits either.

 

teaching isnt all its cracked up to be

[Sergeant Bri 0]

I just wanted to throw a "Hot For Teacher" in here.

[surferskin 30]

yea but they dont get paid during the summer. if you didnt work for those 3 months, you wouldnt get paid either

 

hth

i'm pretty sure you have no clue what you're talking about. their pay is spaced out over the whole year.

[mozzy84 0]

Teachers get 2 weeks off at Xmas, another week at Easter and 3 months off during summer. They get health insurance benefits for free that private sector people couldn't even dream about. Free. Their pension plans are out of this world. Yet, they complain about their pay while not teaching the kids anything.

 

Go to any fast food restaurant and give the cashier $11.20 for a $6.17 bill and watch what happens. The dull, confused look is incredible.

 

Link

 

It's a long read, but the bullet points at the beginning are enough to tell the true story.

Where is this school district that pays 100% on benefits, and my wifes pension plan is nothing special what so ever. This in in minnesota where they are supposed to have one of the better school systems in the country. Yes she does get alot of time off but at the same time while not at work she is doing lesson plans, grades and while at work is dealing with parents, and certain kids that are out of control because of there home life. Those numbers are focked in that article, an architect makes 11% less than a teacher , yea ok....

 

i'm pretty sure you have no clue what you're talking about. their pay is spaced out over the whole year.

my wifes isn't, she doesn't get a paycheck in the summer.

[Fumbleweed 547]

i'm pretty sure you have no clue what you're talking about. their pay is spaced out over the whole year.

 

You have either option in most states. But again, most teachers do not "get off" for three months anymore. It's two at the very most and in some states, much less if you factor in summer workshops and such.

[Jessy 0]

I'll be damned if I don't mostly agree with Toro.

 

And Fumbleweed is right -- teachers put in tons of time outside of class and outside of the hours that they are in the school building.

[Toro 1]

I'll be damned if I don't mostly agree with Toro.

 

Satan just put on his mittens.

[Sergeant Bri 0]

teachers put in tons of time outside of class and outside of the hours that they are in the school building.

 

This is clearly proven by common news stories like this: rink

[remote controller 143]

They have one of the toughest jobs on the planet, and deserve every penny they get.

[kpbuckeye 3]

Where is this school district that pays 100% on benefits, and my wifes pension plan is nothing special what so ever. This in in minnesota where they are supposed to have one of the better school systems in the country. Yes she does get alot of time off but at the same time while not at work she is doing lesson plans, grades and while at work is dealing with parents, and certain kids that are out of control because of there home life. Those numbers are focked in that article, an architect makes 11% less than a teacher , yea ok....

my wifes isn't, she doesn't get a paycheck in the summer.

 

in Ohio many teachers have choice to get pay through the year or bigger checks and not paid during summer.

[surferskin 30]

wow, shocking... SOME teachers put in long hours and work very hard...well hell, TONS don't and not only do they not deserve more money they should get fired(which is almost impossible to do because the out of control teacher unions) and that's why our nation's youth is full of a buncha dumbasses.

[Jessy 0]

This is clearly proven by common news stories like this: rink

 

I'm not aware of my sister doing those kinds of things outside the classroom. She mostly grades papers, works on lesson plans, works on committees, chaperones dances, judges speech competitions, advises the newspaper staff and goes to see her students play in football, basketball, volleyball, baseball and softball games, plus dance competitions.

[RLLD 4,252]

They have one of the toughest jobs on the planet, and deserve every penny they get.

 

That might be a bit strong.

 

I can name a honst of occupations that dwarf the difficulty of those experienced by teachers....

[Toro 1]

why our nation's youth is full of a buncha dumbasses.

 

Parents fault.

[GobbleDog 997]

I work within a school system. While there are some poor teachers to be sure, the majority of them are intelligent, hard-working individuals who really sincerely care about the welfare of your children.

I think it's the oppisite. For every one good teacher, there are three leaches.

[remote controller 143]

That might be a bit strong.

 

I can name a honst of occupations that dwarf the difficulty of those experienced by teachers....

I really don't know about that when you speak of what they are dealing with. Kids are one thing. Us parents a totally different animal. What they have to do is very difficult, and overall they do an admirable job.

[RLLD 4,252]

Parents fault.

 

I would have to concur.

 

When our first child started school my wife and I agreed that we would participate in her education, as well as the education of our other children.

 

My wife actually became PTA president. We interact frequently with her teachers via email, my wife is typically up at the school a few times each week, and speaks to them directly.

 

We spend time helping her with her home work, but also challenge her beyond the scope of the homework.

 

IMHO, the job of educating children is 50% teacher and 50% parent. I would prefer to own more as I trust myself more than the teacher to properly instruct my children.

[Jessy 0]

I think it's the oppisite. For every one good teacher, there are three leaches.

 

Clearly, you had more leech teachers than good ones.

 

Many school districts, including the ones at which my sister and aunt teach, are moving to performance pay systems. It kind of goes hand-in-hand with the testing that is required of students now.

[surferskin 30]

Parents fault.

yeah, it's the parent's fault our nation is falling behind academically. no, it couldn't be rotten teachers/pubic schools.

[Sergeant Bri 0]

I'm not aware of my sister doing those kinds of things outside the classroom. She mostly grades papers, works on lesson plans, works on committees, chaperones dances, judges speech competitions, advises the newspaper staff and goes to see her students play in football, basketball, volleyball, baseball and softball games, plus dance competitions.

 

Your sister sounds kinda boring.

 

She will be excluded from my fantasies from this point on.

[remote controller 143]

yeah, it's the parent's fault our nation is falling behind academically. no, it couldn't be rotten teachers.

We are the ones failing our children and our teachers. That cell phone they get before their teens and that computer in their room have been part of the problem. .............and the fact that many kids have never heard of working for money, yet still have the most trendy cloth.

[NewbieJr 541]

Let's lower teachers' salaries and take away some of their vacation time and benefits.

 

That way, any person with half a brain would choose to get out of the profession and find a career where they can make good money.

Then, we can have all of our children being taught by morons and half-wits.

 

Wake up, people. Teachers do have a good job, but let's not talk about making it a rewardless one. I think we can all agree that we want it to ne a fairly attractive career to draw some good candidates.

 

Also, last I checked, anyone can try to become one. Stop bitching about it. If teachers have the world by the ass, put your four years of school in and become one.