jgcrawfish 232 Posted May 30, 2007 actually he could work at a daycare (or most places dealing w/ children) nowadays and be required to be fingerprinted... Standard Terms of Employment wording for many companies these days...doesn't take much to get your arse canned these days. If anything, anything at all comes back to Vick on this...he's toast. Can't even imagine how much he's gonna cost himself in general w/ endorsements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted May 30, 2007 Standard Terms of Employment wording for many companies these days...doesn't take much to get your arse canned these days. If anything, anything at all comes back to Vick on this...he's toast. Can't even imagine how much he's gonna cost himself in general w/ endorsements. There may be some upside. "Hello, I'm Mike Vick and when I'm dropping $40,000, you can BET that I only feed my Pit Bulls the very best food. That's why I choose Purina Vicious Dog Chow ." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captian America 0 Posted May 30, 2007 More like he gets 30 counts of animal abuse and ends up paying a fine with community service. No one ever gets the maximum sentence, but having dogs buried on your property doesn't prove anything unless 1. you can prove they were abused, and 2. you can prove Vick abused them. They have to prove either that he knew there was dog fighting on the premises or that he was gambling on dog fights or that he participated in dog fighting in some way shape or form. Currently there is no proof. He's going to end up with a few animal cruelty charges and that's it. Please listen to me. I'm begging you to listen to me. As I stated in another post under the doctrine of "Vicarious Liability" ( Referred to in some jurisdictions as respondent superior ), liability can be imposed on an employer for certain illegal acts committed by employees during the course and scope of their employment. An example of this would be if I owned a bar and you were my bartender and you served alcohol to a minor (Which is an illegal act) and this minor was involed in a vehicular homicide, I can be held liable. Now Vick owned a business of selling pit bulls and more than likely his cousin was in charge of that, however if he was operating illegal dog fighting on Vick's property than being that he was engaged in illegal activity on Vick property and employed by Vick to operate his pit bull business then under the Vicarious Liability doctrine Vick will be indicted. Now Vick's lawyer probably advised him to sell the property immediately and to be sure to take a loss on the sale so Vick can say he was appalled when he heard this and sold the property even at loss just to end anything that might have been illegally done on the property and he will apologize and claim he was ignorant of anything illegal going on. However, in any business the owner knows his income and expenses and Vick will have a hard time claiming he knew nothing about what was going on. After they go over his books and conduct a proper search look for Vick to be indicted by a grand jury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastfish 0 Posted May 30, 2007 As I stated in another post under the doctrine of "Vicarious Liability" ( Referred to in some jurisdictions as respondent superior ), liability can be imposed on an employer for certain illegal acts committed by employees during the course and scope of their employment. An example of this would be if I owned a bar and you were my bartender and you served alcohol to a minor (Which is an illegal act) and this minor was involed in a vehicular homicide, I can be held liable. Now Vick owned a business of selling pit bulls and more than likely his cousin was in charge of that, however if he was operating illegal dog fighting on Vick's property than being that he was engaged in illegal activity on Vick property and employed by Vick to operate his pit bull business then under the Vicarious Liability doctrine Vick will be indicted. Now Vick's lawyer probably advised him to sell the property immediately and to be sure to take a loss on the sale so Vick can say he was appalled when he heard this and sold the property even at loss just to end anything that might have been illegally done on the property and he will apologize and claim he was ignorant of anything illegal going on. However, in any business the owner knows his income and expenses and Vick will have a hard time claiming he knew nothing about what was going on. After they go over his books and conduct a proper search look for Vick to be indicted by a grand jury. hey Captian...I ran the "Vicarious Liability" thing by my lawyer friend, who is a defense trial lawyer in OK...his response----------------> "theoretically... don't know exact law in virginia with regard to criminal cases... BUT generally that is correct for Respondeat Superior in CIVIL lawsuits for money damages etc........ BUT it is incorrect in Criminal Prosecutions !!! ......a Criminal prosecution still must prove Mens Rea (intent to commit a crime). ... and what i mean is in civil lawsuit, where the "more probable than not" lowest burden of proof generally called "Greater Weight of the Evidence" instead of the highest burden of proof in criminal cases that is "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt"...(keep in mind there is a 3rd standard that is the middle-standard of Clear and Convincing Evidence which is generally appellate standard and also applied in child-termination type of proceedings along with a few other non-criminal cases... civil standard "Greater Weight of the Evidence" which means more likely than not is lowest...that is the standard in civil lawsuits, then there's Clear & Convincing Evidence---the middle standard and finally the highest standard which is only in criminal prosecutions of Beyond a Reasonable Doubt) ------------>INDICTMENTS which the 'grand jury system' issuing indictments is used predominantly in the Eastern States east of the Mississippi while rarely used in states west of the mississippi where the 'INFORMATION" charging system is used.... a Grand Jury convenes..the PROSECUTOR seeking an Indictment runs it, no judge, no defendant nor his atty present to cross-examine any witnesses... the Prosecutor calls ONLY the witnesses and puts on ONLY the evidence he wishes to present...and not required to put on any exculpatory evidence at all to the grand jury... result is OR should be 100% indictment rates !!!........ grand jury issues indictment, then defendant is arraigned, bond set and off to the Big Dance of the Jury System !!!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 30, 2007 There may be some upside. "Hello, I'm Mike Vick and when I'm dropping $40,000, you can BET that I only feed my Pit Bulls the very best food. That's why I choose Purina Vicious Dog Chow ." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captian America 0 Posted May 30, 2007 hey Captian...I ran the "Vicarious Liability" thing by my lawyer friend, who is a defense trial lawyer in OK...his response----------------> "theoretically... don't know exact law in virginia with regard to criminal cases... BUT generally that is correct for Respondeat Superior in CIVIL lawsuits for money damages etc........ BUT it is incorrect in Criminal Prosecutions !!! ......a Criminal prosecution still must prove Mens Rea (intent to commit a crime). ... and what i mean is in civil lawsuit, where the "more probable than not" lowest burden of proof generally called "Greater Weight of the Evidence" instead of the highest burden of proof in criminal cases that is "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt"...(keep in mind there is a 3rd standard that is the middle-standard of Clear and Convincing Evidence which is generally appellate standard and also applied in child-termination type of proceedings along with a few other non-criminal cases... civil standard "Greater Weight of the Evidence" which means more likely than not is lowest...that is the standard in civil lawsuits, then there's Clear & Convincing Evidence---the middle standard and finally the highest standard which is only in criminal prosecutions of Beyond a Reasonable Doubt) ------------>INDICTMENTS which the 'grand jury system' issuing indictments is used predominantly in the Eastern States east of the Mississippi while rarely used in states west of the mississippi where the 'INFORMATION" charging system is used.... a Grand Jury convenes..the PROSECUTOR seeking an Indictment runs it, no judge, no defendant nor his atty present to cross-examine any witnesses... the Prosecutor calls ONLY the witnesses and puts on ONLY the evidence he wishes to present...and not required to put on any exculpatory evidence at all to the grand jury... result is OR should be 100% indictment rates !!!........ grand jury issues indictment, then defendant is arraigned, bond set and off to the Big Dance of the Jury System !!!" Ask your lawyer friend why a person who owns a bar is fined and in some cases can lose his liquor license when he did not serve the minor, I mentioned in my example in fact the owner could even be vacationing in Florida at the time yet he is still punished by criminal law. Altough criminal intent, whether specific or general, is necessary for an act to be considered a crime, there are some exceptions to this rule of law and Vicarious Liability is one of them. By the way way you are right about the Grand Jury issuing Incictments east of the Mississippi and the prosecutor issuing Information west of the Mississippi and the information you presented about Grand Juries is correct. That is why being the crime happened in Virginia I said that the Grand Jury will Indict Vick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ruphus 0 Posted May 30, 2007 Why in the world would the cops say anything about a pending search warrant? The whole point is to find evidence and that's usually accomplished with a surprise search. All they're going to find now is 30 holes in the ground. They will not find 30 holes in the ground cause I guarantee the house is currently being held by authorities and is considered a "piece of evidence". Anyone who enters the property would just add fuel to the already increasing fire. It is more than likely guarded better than Ft Knox atm. Also, not sure if this was mentioned, but I noticed people claiming stuff about him not working 24/7 so can't be convicted etc... #1. Every NFL salary has clauses written in them about illegal activities, just like they have clauses if the player doesn't play, perform or get injured. Most contracts have many clauses that allow the team more rights to the player than most companies get. #2. Every NFL contract is for a year, you might get a weekly or monthly paycheck, but it's a salary for a YEAR of service, if you breach the contract, not only will you not get paid, but you will most likely have to pay money back, ala Ricky Williams #3. Most any major company has the rights to terminate your employment for anything that is not related to your sexual orientation, religion, race or gender. You commit a crime, and they can do what they want. You slack off at work, you will get canned. You do something your not supposed to, guess what, they CAN and WILL fire you. #4. Owning property means you are SOLELY, by law, responsible for any activities on the property. If Vicks cousin raped and killed 27 women on the property, had a billion dollar a year drug conspiracy ring going, or was selling illegal firearms, you get the idea, Vick CAN and WILL be held responsible. If your leaving a bar with your friend, and your both plastered, but you decide to let your friend drive cause he had less to drink than you, you get in an accident and someone else gets killed, guess who gets the charges for Vehicular Manslaughter? Yup, you, not the driver, not the other people, not the owners of the bar, YOU, the person who OWNS the car. I know this is fact cause a very close friend of mine is doing time cause she let her boyfriend drive after they left a party, he had less to drink, was BARELY above .10% alcohol blood level and she still got the manslaughter charge, even though she wasn't driving, she was actually passed out. Point remains though, Vick is dead as dog meat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastfish 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Published Wed May 30 11:45:00 p.m. ET 2007(Rotoworld)--------> Commonwealth prosecutor Gerald Poindexter told WAVY TV 10 in Virginia that he's found enough evidence to charge Michael Vick for hosting a dog-fighting ring on the quarterback's former property in Surry County.------->Impact: "We have informants," Poindexter said Wednesday. "We have people who are volunteering to make those allegations (against Vick)." The TV channel reports the case could go to a Surry County grand jury sooner than July 24. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted May 31, 2007 Published Wed May 30 11:45:00 p.m. ET 2007(Rotoworld)--------> Commonwealth prosecutor Gerald Poindexter told WAVY TV 10 in Virginia that he's found enough evidence to charge Michael Vick for hosting a dog-fighting ring on the quarterback's former property in Surry County.------->Impact: "We have informants," Poindexter said Wednesday. "We have people who are volunteering to make those allegations (against Vick)." The TV channel reports the case could go to a Surry County grand jury sooner than July 24. if he's found enough evidence to charge him, then why hasn't he charged him yet? I really think there is at least one dirty individual in the prosecutors offense slowing this down... and on a personal conduct on "off-hours" time note, i just read this news story this morning... <H3 class=dateline>ALMONT TOWNSHIP, Mich. --</H3>A former Wal-Mart cashier says he was fired for joking on his MySpace page that the average IQ would increase if a bomb were dropped on the company's stores. David Noordewier said he was fired Feb. 27 for posting the message, which he said was a joke and not a threat. "I told them that this was crazy," Noordewier told The Flint Journal. "It's not like I have a fighter jet in my backyard to drop a bomb with. Then they escorted me out to the parking lot." Noordewier said store officials had him sign an acknowledgment that he was fired for "gross misconduct - integrity issue." Wal-Mart spokeswoman Kory Lundberg confirmed that Noordewier no longer worked for the company but would not discuss why. Unemployment officials said Noordewier did not qualify for benefits because he had made a threat. Noordewier had a near-perfect work attendance record and once received a personal thank-you letter from the company president over compliments from a customer he once helped. He said he thinks a co-worker disliked him and pointed the MySpace page out to his boss. "If you have a MySpace site, you better act like you're a politician," he said. "Be politically correct and don't try to be funny." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronnydobbs 0 Posted May 31, 2007 if he's found enough evidence to charge him, then why hasn't he charged him yet? I really think there is at least one dirty individual in the prosecutors offense slowing this down... Not at all, they are going over everything with a fine tooth comb to make sure they get every last bit of evidence that they can. Vick will have the best lawyer and I would assume that a lot of the evidence will be disqualified. This is why they sent the warrant back for better wording, they know what they are up against and are going to take their time in securing every last bit of usable evidence in the case against him. There will be charges and when that happens I expect Goodell to suspend Vick indefinitely until things sort out. This way there is no time table and Goodell can change the suspension at any time either way. I guess the only snag would be is that he had to put a number on the suspension whether it be games or years. I guess we will see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted May 31, 2007 Not at all, they are going over everything with a fine tooth comb to make sure they get every last bit of evidence that they can. Vick will have the best lawyer and I would assume that a lot of the evidence will be disqualified. This is why they sent the warrant back for better wording, they know what they are up against and are going to take their time in securing every last bit of usable evidence in the case against him. most days i like to think like this too, today just isn't one of them... it's a conspiracy theory type of day... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kitsnow 0 Posted May 31, 2007 I hear harrington's agent is one of those informants! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastfish 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Vick's best plays on the field occured when he was running away from trouble. But he'll be beyond Houdini if he escapes this pressure. He could man up, say he is addicted to dog fighting and gambling, go into therapy, give big money to animal rescue organizations, say he's sorry, plead no contest...and actually play again some day. ...Or he can use every lawyer he has to block justice for as long as possible and thereby end his career as everyone turns away in disgust. Any odds on which route he runs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Brad 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Vick's best plays on the field occured when he was running away from trouble. But he'll be beyond Houdini if he escapes this pressure. He could man up, say he is addicted to dog fighting and gambling, go into therapy, give big money to animal rescue organizations, say he's sorry, plead no contest...and actually play again some day. ...Or he can use every lawyer he has to block justice for as long as possible and thereby end his career as everyone turns away in disgust. Any odds on which route he runs? That was my thought yesterday... "FOR ONCE I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE MIKE VICK MAN UP AND TELL THE FREAKING TRUTH FOR ONCE, JUST ONE TIME... I swear the sky must be pink in his world... or maybe he lives on a river in Egypt... MB ps. Fishy I'm starting to think... Sometimes the best trades are the ones you never make, and that 2:1 pick you just got on Monday is like stealing from the LT hen house... MV ain't worth the gamble now on Thurs. IMO... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Texansfan 0 Posted May 31, 2007 I think this is all a conspiracy by Joey Harrington. He went and buried the dogs there to set Vick up! LOL, J/K Seriously though, anyone thing the Falcons are sorry they traded Matt Schaub to the Texans! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted May 31, 2007 That was my thought yesterday... "FOR ONCE I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE MIKE VICK MAN UP AND TELL THE FREAKING TRUTH FOR ONCE, JUST ONE TIME... I swear the sky must be pink in his world... No, yellow. Have you seen his eyes?? Seriously though, anyone thing the Falcons are sorry they traded Matt Schaub to the Texans! Gotta be wondering what's going through Schaub's head. Spends all that time learning the system, carrying Vick's jock, waiting for his shot - And when it comes, he's stuck with the hapless Texans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
famousb 11 Posted May 31, 2007 No, yellow. Have you seen his eyes?? Gotta be wondering what's going through Schaub's head. Spends all that time learning the system, carrying Vick's jock, waiting for his shot - And when it comes, he's stuck with the hapless Texans. if i had my choice of living/playing in HOU or ATL, i'd take HOU everyday of the week even though i know i'm spending alot of time counting the lights in the dome. the HOU fanbase is much more along the lines of what i want to be around... HOU girls are ALOT hotter than ATL girls on average Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Deal 0 Posted May 31, 2007 No, yellow. Have you seen his eyes?? Gotta be wondering what's going through Schaub's head. Spends all that time learning the system, carrying Vick's jock, waiting for his shot - And when it comes, he's stuck with the hapless Texans. are you kidding me. he just signed a $48 million contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lguero1 4 Posted May 31, 2007 A Public Service Announcement form Michael Vick: Hello, I am Michael Vick. Today I want to talk to you on behalf of the American Humane Society. The most important way to ensure safety from a dog is to Bark, Stop, Drop and Roll. That is, if you realize a dog is nearby (from the bark), stop forward movement, drop your eyes so you are not staring directly at it in a challenging way, and roll your shoulder, or pivot sideways, so that you are taking a step back from the animal and presenting your side. Another way to ensure safety from a dog is to walk around with your own pit bull. If a dog is nearby, sick your pit bull on that dog, let him rip out its throat, and take your dog home and give him some Beggin Strips. Learning to read these animals’ cues and responses will guide you to help creatures that are too often abandoned, abused, trained to be nasty or used as weapons. Thank you and remember dog safety can even be applied to human safety. That was a Public Service Announcement from Michael Vick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted May 31, 2007 This really pisses me off. I can't believe people are so overprotective of animals. They are food, nothing more. You're telling me that the next time I run over yet another kitten with my lawnmower, I might get in trouble? Absolutely ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted May 31, 2007 I am not a lawyer, but I styayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night and I say they can suspend him. pac man hasn't been convicted of anything, either. so, yes, the nfl can suspend vick if they want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaTerp 0 Posted May 31, 2007 I hate to bump this as this thread approaches page 4 but its inevitable as the plot thickens. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2888085 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LunaTick 30 Posted May 31, 2007 http://www.kfan.com/cc-common/podcast/sing...AN_Barreiro.xml 5/30 - Keith Streff Interview Police Officer Keith Streff joins Dan to talk about his experiences investigating dog fighting rings. Take a listen. He works in Minnesota on such cases. Summary He is doubtful Vick would be prosecuted or receive as stiff a penalty as he should. That it can be tough to mount a case, even when the party is busted in the act. That why the state is taking time is they have to dot the i and cross the t to effectively prosecute. Need to be certain nothing gets tossed out (even though holes may be dug about the property as we speak) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IN$TANT REPAY 11 Posted May 31, 2007 Beware the next team harrington joins. the word around "the A" is that he cut off his braids... http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/20...574735669_x.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lguero1 4 Posted May 31, 2007 Headline: Vick hopes less hair equals less issues Updated: May31, 2007, 3:44 pm EDT He better wax his arse if he thinks that will create less issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJJoe20 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Vick is probably lounging around in his mansion smoking a blunt at this very moment with a huge smile on his face. He has too much power for this to touch him, and the NFL will be helping him every step of the way. They probably even purchased his property. I'd like to see the NFL grow a pair, but this isn't Chris Henry, and money will talk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguru 0 Posted May 31, 2007 pac man hasn't been convicted of anything, either. so, yes, the nfl can suspend vick if they want. I think the difference at this point is that Vick has not been arrested. Pac man had been arrested numerous times, involving more than one incident. If and when Vick gets arrested, (charged with a crime) I believe Goodall will schedule a meeting with Vick shortly thereafter, without "Vick's day in court". I am not saying that Vick has got to get arrested to recieve a suspension, but.... that is the difference, as of now, comparing him to pac man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted May 31, 2007 There is another piece of this that nobody is talking about. If this is in fact proven to be a ring, and Vick is connected to it, there will probably be federal gambling and racketeering charges thrown in. These are the kind of cases they love to use to "set an example". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastfish 0 Posted May 31, 2007 I hate to bump this as this thread approaches page 4 but its inevitable as the plot thickens. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2888085 don't miss this update...2nd Federal Agency joins the investigation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larrymcirish 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Another way of looking at this is that ATL's front office now has a very easy out. They were handcuffed to Vick because of the fans...now they can sever ties, save all that $ and go out and get a Trent Green for a year while they re-adjust. Falcons might have just caught their luckiest break from this. great insight. trent would help here. atlanta needs to shed the thug image. miami is too screwed up at this point for trent. (or am i just p.o. because i've had ronnie the past 2 years?). the inmates have been running the asylum for too long in the nfl & the commish is doing a great job. he should hammer vick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted May 31, 2007 Vick is probably lounging around in his mansion smoking a blunt at this very moment with a huge smile on his face. He has too much power for this to touch him, and the NFL will be helping him every step of the way. They probably even purchased his property. I'd like to see the NFL grow a pair, but this isn't Chris Henry, and money will talk. Let's not forget the fact that as an NFL QB the guy sucks. He has made the NFL, ESPN and most other sports writers look like fools as they try to shove this guy down the throats of NFL fans. I don't get it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 31, 2007 There is another piece of this that nobody is talking about. If this is in fact proven to be a ring, and Vick is connected to it, there will probably be federal gambling and racketeering charges thrown in. These are the kind of cases they love to use to "set an example". actually I've been pointing that out all along. This is the thing that's going to bite Vick in the ass. He has plenty enough power & money to get out of the local charges, but if it goes federal regarding the illegal gambling ring he's focked. The feds love making examples out of celebrities and wealthy folks to set an example - running a gambling ring is something that they have a zero tolerance for. Also, VaTech will likely come under fire, because the witness puts Vick at the site making bets of $5K - $40K as a college senior. Uh, when he had no income. That will raise more than a few questions. Thanks Vick - just what that school needs in the wake of their tragedy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastfish 0 Posted May 31, 2007 NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports on talks about league actions re: Pac Man, Tank Johnson and Joey Porter. Vick? ...not mentioned at all on the show either this night or last night. ....This is very loud silence, considering news outlets everywhere are talking 'bout Vick news. And this dead silence by the official network of the NFL means.....what? Not sure but it's plain the order was given to say nada. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,685 Posted May 31, 2007 I'm about sure that they won't be able to make a gambling/racketeering charge stick without a well defined money trail and that money trail won't be easy to make. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastfish 0 Posted May 31, 2007 I'm about sure that they won't be able to make a gambling/racketeering charge stick without a well defined money trail and that money trail won't be easy to make. by all accounts, this is a very hard crime to prosecute, primarily because the victims can't testify. But the fact that 2 Fed agencies have joined the investigation says to me that the underground "sport" of dog fighting is about to get the full attention of authorities at the highest levels. Why? Because I think those who know and hate this "sport" are seeing Vick as the perfect storm opportunity to expose this vile abuse of dogs. Do not underestimate the passion of dog lovers...dogs are called man's best friend for a reason and they have friends in high places. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kitsnow 0 Posted June 1, 2007 Fighting dogs are dogs that are generally bred to fight. Before you saw Awwww a moderately handled one in public society can still bite the face off a child, never mind the number of times a bigger mean dog has snapped at cat's, small dogs, squirls ect. But random uncontrolled actions of violence are ok.. except for the small child part. I've known more than one person who litterally had to pull small dogs out of jaws of bigger ones. I suspect the dogs used came out of lines bred to hunt bear, deer, fox, humans ect... I myself don't like pets in generall, and emu's are mean gets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datathief 0 Posted June 1, 2007 actually I've been pointing that out all along. This is the thing that's going to bite Vick in the ass. He has plenty enough power & money to get out of the local charges, but if it goes federal regarding the illegal gambling ring he's focked. The feds love making examples out of celebrities and wealthy folks to set an example - running a gambling ring is something that they have a zero tolerance for. Also, VaTech will likely come under fire, because the witness puts Vick at the site making bets of $5K - $40K as a college senior. Uh, when he had no income. That will raise more than a few questions. Thanks Vick - just what that school needs in the wake of their tragedy. Show me a source that says Vick is running the gambling ring. All they said was that he was one of the heavyweights due to the large dollar amounts of his bets. Being a heavyweight didnt mean he was in charge of any of the gambling. I'm sure the IRS wants to know about the illegal gambling but I believe most gambling laws come at the state and local levels. Dogs being buried is further evidence that someone at the property was manageing a dog fighting ring but that doesnt give any more or less of a link to Michael Vick. What's been made public is that witnesses have said Vick visited the property, Vick attended some fights, Vick gambled on some fights, and Vick was a liscenced dog breeder. But the property was still a rental and prosecuters arent saying that Vick was in charge. Possibly he aided and abbetted but nothing says he was in charge of any of the dog fighting or the gambling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted June 1, 2007 Show me a source that says Vick is running the gambling ring. All they said was that he was one of the heavyweights due to the large dollar amounts of his bets. Being a heavyweight didnt mean he was in charge of any of the gambling. I'm sure the IRS wants to know about the illegal gambling but I believe most gambling laws come at the state and local levels. Dogs being buried is further evidence that someone at the property was manageing a dog fighting ring but that doesnt give any more or less of a link to Michael Vick. What's been made public is that witnesses have said Vick visited the property, Vick attended some fights, Vick gambled on some fights, and Vick was a liscenced dog breeder. But the property was still a rental and prosecuters arent saying that Vick was in charge. Possibly he aided and abbetted but nothing says he was in charge of any of the dog fighting or the gambling. so he'd put down $30k a pop on a dogfight (figure i saw somewhere)...and he gave $10k to v-tech after the massacre? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted June 1, 2007 Show me a source that says Vick is running the gambling ring. All they said was that he was one of the heavyweights due to the large dollar amounts of his bets. Being a heavyweight didnt mean he was in charge of any of the gambling. I'm sure the IRS wants to know about the illegal gambling but I believe most gambling laws come at the state and local levels. Dogs being buried is further evidence that someone at the property was manageing a dog fighting ring but that doesnt give any more or less of a link to Michael Vick. What's been made public is that witnesses have said Vick visited the property, Vick attended some fights, Vick gambled on some fights, and Vick was a liscenced dog breeder. But the property was still a rental and prosecuters arent saying that Vick was in charge. Possibly he aided and abbetted but nothing says he was in charge of any of the dog fighting or the gambling. Nobody has said that, but it has been mentioned as a "ring" and as such the Feds will give it at least a cursory look. And to be honest, the Feds could give a crap about the dogs, this is about the gambling and money. These guys living in Vicks house and running this show were getting their $$$ from somewhere...now it's just a game of follow the wallet. so he'd put down $30k a pop on a dogfight (figure i saw somewhere)...and he gave $10k to v-tech after the massacre? Good point. And pretty focking sad if you ask me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canada1 0 Posted June 1, 2007 I think Vick may have shaved his hair so "BIG THICK BUBA" his new cell mate has less to grab on to while he violates him He can't use his speed to get away in a jail cell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
