If Favre wins the Superbowl

[KSB2424 3,148]

Obviously in the Superbowl era there are Marino, Elway, Bradshaw, Montana, Brady, Manning, and Favre as the top Quarterbacks with guys like S.Young, Kelly, and Aikman bringing up the rear.

 

With Favre passing all of these records already, and that culminating with him winning the Superbowl this year, I think this may catapult him to the top. You may think otherwise, but it would be hard to argue against No. 4. Not only would he have most of the career passing records, but multiple titles to boot. Not to mention doing this all with questionably the least amount of talent around him over his career, save Marino.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Maybe.

But I don't think he would pass Montana, but for the time, I might put him past Brady (Id put it 1. Montana, 2. Brady right now)...whereas, if Brady wins it, IMO he is past Montana as G.O.A.T.

[redtodd 7]

Maybe

[KSB2424 3,148]

Maybe

What got me thinking about this was the possible GB/Pats superbowl. It seems that in many people's mind, the QB of the team that wins that game may vault to the best all time. Lots on the line.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I think he already deserves consideration for that, but another title would definitely put him there...however, he won't get to sit on that spot long...that dude over near Boston is rapidly making his reservation for that spot.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think he already deserves consideration for that, but another title would definitely put him there...however, he won't get to sit on that spot long...that dude over near Boston is rapidly making his reservation for that spot.

 

Maybe after the game Favre could club Brady's knee with the Lombardi...

[Mr. Dynasty 0]

do you really think you can separate Favre, Brady, Manning, and Montana?

 

do you really think Bradshaw belongs in front of Steve Young?

 

do you really think you'll ever get a consensus opinion on any of this?

 

 

stupid topic.

[KSB2424 3,148]

do you really think you can separate Favre, Brady, Manning, and Montana?

 

do you really think Bradshaw belongs in front of Steve Young?

 

do you really think you'll ever get a consensus opinion on any of this?

stupid topic.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

 

Considering that two of the top few QB's of all-time will prolly meet in this years Superbowl, this topic seems rather pertinent. This is a football forum by the way. HTH

[redtodd 7]

What got me thinking about this was the possible GB/Pats superbowl. It seems that in many people's mind, the QB of the team that wins that game may vault to the best all time. Lots on the line.

 

I think that is an interesting take and we will probably hear this during the hype (assuming the Pats and Packers win this weekend).

 

This matchup will be one of the most anticipated Super Bowls in a LONG TIME. Off the top of my head, I am trying to think of a matchup more anticipated by the average fan.

 

Maybe Packers/Broncos?

[NewbieJr 541]

Favre is so unique as a quarterback, it's hard to accurately put him in his place among all-time quarterbacks.

 

He could single-handedly win games for your team that Manning, Brady, Marino, Montana, and Elway couldn't have. At the same time, he would lose games for you that the others wouldn't have.

 

The thing that stands out about Favre to me, is the fact that he produced a lot of great receivers who weren't really all that great. Guys like Antonio Feeman, Robert Brooks, Bill Shroeder, ect. all enjoyed big seasons under Favre and were never very good anywhere else. Brooks was a nobody until Sterling Sharpe retired and he stepped in and became a big numbers guy.

It is mind boggling to think what Favre might have accomplished with a Owens, Moss, Rice, or Holt. Mind boggling.

[Mr. Dynasty 0]

this topic seems rather pertinent.

 

yeah, you're going to get about 5 pages out of this one.

since it seems like a mystery to you, let me sum it up:

 

Manning's the greatest!

Favre's the best!

No, Brady's the best ever.

How can anyone discount Montana.

[enter PISL] Sammy Bough woulda' kicked all their asses![/PISL]

Steve Young is so underrated. He's really the best.

Favre did more with less.

Manning never had a defense.

Marino did the most with less.

Marino sucks.

You obviously didn't watch football when Marino played.

No rings = No GOAT.

If it's all about rings, Brady's the best.

It's about passing, pure passing. Manning's #1.

But Favre holds every record.

So what, Favre played a long time. Quantity does not equal quality.

Best 3 year period ever is Steve Youngs. Young = GOAT.

Still, cant' believe you clowns aren't recognizing Montana as king until further notice.

[PISL] SAMMY BAUGH! [/PISL]

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[KSB2424 3,148]

yeah, you're going to get about 5 pages out of this one.

since it seems like a mystery to you, let me sum it up:

 

Manning's the greatest!

Favre's the best!

No, Brady's the best ever.

How can anyone discount Montana.

[enter PISL] Sammy Bough woulda' kicked all their asses![/PISL]

Steve Young is so underrated. He's really the best.

Favre did more with less.

Manning never had a defense.

Marino did the most with less.

Marino sucks.

You obviously didn't watch football when Marino played.

No rings = No GOAT.

If it's all about rings, Brady's the best.

It's about passing, pure passing. Manning's #1.

But Favre holds every record.

So what, Favre played a long time. Quantity does not equal quality.

Best 3 year period ever is Steve Youngs. Young = GOAT.

Still, cant' believe you clowns aren't recognizing Montana as king until further notice.

[PISL] SAMMY BAUGH! [/PISL]

Thanks for taking the time to reply again to this topic. It must be a hot button topic for you.

[Mr. Dynasty 0]

He could single-handedly win games for your team that... Elway couldn't have.

 

stupid Newbieism #148.

[jgcrawfish 232]

do you really think you can separate Favre, Brady, Manning, and Montana?

 

do you really think Bradshaw belongs in front of Steve Young?

 

do you really think you'll ever get a consensus opinion on any of this?

stupid topic.

 

Sure, I'll give it a shot...

 

Of the first 3, Manning doesn't belong there. He will probably end up the greatest statistical QB of all time, but he needs more rings and needs be more clutch to draw comparisons to those first three. Of those first there, as far as clutch goes, I'd say it goes Montana, Brady then Favre. Much as I hate to say it, everytime I watch Brady play, I get the feeling I'm watching the greatest QB that's ever played, and he still has SO many years left to prove it. It comes down to asking myself "if I had one QB ever to pick from to win one game, who would it be?" and that comes back to Montana and Brady. And as stated previously, Favre is just as likely for most of his career to kill you in that game as he is to win it. Edit: As far as physical ability goes, I put Favre and Elway in a class above all others. Both had great feet, cannon arms and no fear and would make near impossible throws look easy.

 

No, Bradshaw doesn't belong in front Young. I'm a Steelers fan, so that's saying something. Bradshaw had the benefit of having the greatest collection of players ever assembled on one team.

 

No, you'll never get a consensus...

[NewbieJr 541]

stupid Newbieism #148.

I stick by my statement. Sorry if you disagree.

[The Hood 9]

I stick by my statement. Sorry if you disagree.

I'm wondering who do you think makes up the better talent Elway had around him compared to Favre for their careers?

[NewbieJr 541]

I'm wondering who do you think makes up the better talent Elway had around him compared to Favre for their careers?

Terrell Davis.

 

Also, I think Elway is one of the best ever. Not sure why you guys are acting like I'm dissing him.

[GBFAVRE4 0]

You may know what I think, but Montana may still have a leg up....possibly Brady at his retirement.

 

Manning will be in the discussion when it is all said and done.

 

Aikman was garbage statistically. Won the big ones with help....

I hate Elway, so dont ask.

Marino never won, sorry, but that hurts his standing in this arguement a lot.

 

 

GO PACK

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

Of the first 3, Manning doesn't belong there. He will probably end up the greatest statistical QB of all time, but he needs more rings and needs be more clutch to draw comparisons to those first three. Of those first there, as far as clutch goes, I'd say it goes Montana, Brady then Favre, then Farve. Much as I hate to say it, everytime I watch Brady play, I get the feeling I'm watching the greatest QB that's ever played, and he still has SO many years left to prove it. It comes down to asking myself "if I had one QB ever to pick from to win one game, who would it be?" and that comes back to Montana and Brady. And as stated previously, Favre is just as likely for most of his career to kill you in that game as he is to win it.

 

As a Niner fan, I have to admit that the way Brady plays out there is eerily similar to how Montana did. They both look (looked, in Montana's case) so calm and in control out there. It's getting more and more difficult to choose one over the other in terms of all-time great.

[kutulu 1,659]

Yes, if he manages to win the Superbowl after losing this week to the Giants, I will consider him the best ever.

[The Hood 9]

Terrell Davis.

 

Also, I think Elway is one of the best ever. Not sure why you guys are acting like I'm dissing him.

 

I agree TD was great but remember he only had 3 great years. I could pick and choose a few years of Dorsey Levens, Leven/Bennett or Ahman Green and get stats pretty close to what Davis had. Shannon Sharpe maybe you could mention but his brother was pretty damn good for Brett early on.

 

 

I just remember Elway winning plenty of games "single-handedly" and dragging 3 crappy teams to the Super Bowl. Just don't think you should have mentioned him with the others in that context or that Favre is better at it.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I would say that without another title, he is just a notch below some of the others. With another title, you could throw a bunch of guys in there, mix 'em up and be just as right if you picked any one of them.

[Dan 62]

Topics like this are always fun, and not pointless at all. The only key is to remember that in discussing the "best of all time" regarding anything always requires the acceptance that there is no subjective way to determine the answer, and therefore, opinions will rule. It becomes a choice.

 

I love the names that are being thrown around, because of the images and memories that are drawn up. Older fans would tell you that if you're not incluidind Johnny Unitas on this list, then you've already missed the mark. Even older fans will insist on the inclusion of Otto Graham. Who's to argue, except to mention your preference and the reasons for it.

 

My preference is, and has been for a number of years, Brett Favre. If someone chooses Montana over him because of his calm and coolness, I can completely accept that. But I have always been drawn, in this discussion, to Favre's leadership, which I think outdistances all the rest of these (my opinion). I believe that his surrounding skill level talent has been less than most of these - I would put Elway in this category, as well, until the end of his career - and he has always produced, often making names out of players that faded into anonymity after leaving Green Bay. Beyond this, I look at the ever-critical offensive line. Brady and Mannning are awesome, and Montana and Marino were, but they all have/had great offensive lines. That takes nothing away from them, but they have/had the advantage of being able to take tea in the backfield for much of their amazing careers. Favre's has not been consistent, and yet he has continued to play at a high level.

 

Ultimately, my opinion isn't likely to change after this year's Super Bowl, regardless of the outcome.

 

Good discussion, and will be, so long as no one takes anything too personally.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

I agree TD was great but remember he only had 3 great years. I could pick and choose a few years of Dorsey Levens, Leven/Bennett or Ahman Green and get stats pretty close to what Davis had. Shannon Sharpe maybe you could mention but his brother was pretty damn good for Brett early on.

I just remember Elway winning plenty of games "single-handedly" and dragging 3 crappy teams to the Super Bowl. Just don't think you should have mentioned him with the others in that context or that Favre is better at it.

Sterling Sharpe's 'greatness' has dimin ished quite a bit with the succession of receivers the Packers had after him. When he was putting up big numbers, Favre was still early in his career, so it wasn't yet clear that Favre could make good receivers great.

 

But, like I said, I always thought Elway was great, so we're fighting on the same side.

[Dan 62]

Shannon Sharpe's 'greatness' has dimin ished quite a bit with the succession of receivers the Packers had after him. When he was putting up big numbers, Favre was still early in his career, so it wasn't yet clear that Favre could make good receivers great.

 

But, like I said, I always thought Elway was great, so we're fighting on the same side.

 

Psst. It was Sterling.

[sanders 0]

There is no doubt that Brady is an awesome QB. The reason why he is doing so well though has a lot to do with the oline. He consistantly has 5 seconds or sometimes even more to make a pass.

If he was on an average team I think he would be a good QB still but not great.

[NewbieJr 541]

My preference is, and has been for a number of years, Brett Favre. If someone chooses Montana over him because of his calm and coolness, I can completely accept that. But I have always been drawn, in this discussion, to Favre's leadership, which I think outdistances all the rest of these (my opinion). I believe that his surrounding skill level talent has been less than most of these - I would put Elway in this category, as well, until the end of his career - and he has always produced, often making names out of players that faded into anonymity after leaving Green Bay. Beyond this, I look at the ever-critical offensive line. Brady and Mannning are awesome, and Montana and Marino were, but they all have/had great offensive lines. That takes nothing away from them, but they have/had the advantage of being able to take tea in the backfield for much of their amazing careers. Favre's has not been consistent, and yet he has continued to play at a high level.

 

This is where Favre is really amazing. He is inargguably at the tailend of his career and he is still the third best QB in the league. I remember Montana looking outright awful in Kansas City(a testement to his age and the talent difference, I imagine). I can remember Unitas playing a few years at the end where he wasn't very good, either. Elway was still very good when he called it quits and it remains to be seen how Manning and Brady will be as they get older and as the surrounding talent levels drop off.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Psst. It was Sterling.

 

And Sterling was putting up good numbers with Don Majkowski....Favre only had him for a short time

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Psst. It was Sterling.

 

I am surprised he got the last name right. Newbie is not real good with names.

[remote controller 143]

I will say that Favre is the most important player to have played in a very long time, as he bridged a major gap from the past to the present. The past being Montana, and the present being Brady. The void he will leave will be great, but he took us into the new wave of NFL stars.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

I think that is an interesting take and we will probably hear this during the hype (assuming the Pats and Packers win this weekend).

 

This matchup will be one of the most anticipated Super Bowls in a LONG TIME. Off the top of my head, I am trying to think of a matchup more anticipated by the average fan.

 

Maybe Packers/Broncos?

 

I don't know I think many people would like to finally see the "Rivers v. Eli" matchup that was destiny ever since their draft day trade.

[NewbieJr 541]

Psst. It was Sterling.

Of course.

Fixed

[NewbieJr 541]

I am surprised he got the last name right. Newbie is not real good with names.

I had both names right in my first post.

 

Do you dream of me at night? You are still on your insult obsession. I can't remember an example of a worse obsession. You are sooooo my b!tch. I love it.

 

Please check my spelling and grammar and then get back to me with your latest clever insult.

 

:Animotion-you are an obsession. You're my obsession. What do you want me to be.....:

[Dan 62]

I don't know I think many people would like to finally see the "Rivers v. Eli" matchup that was destiny ever since their draft day trade.

 

This is very true. This is a story line overlooked right now, in light of the Patriots' perfect season, and Favre's twilight success.

 

Eli vs. Phillip would be an enticing matchup, because of the draft day trade, as well as the fact that that particular draft class for QBs would then have had 3 QBs in the Super Bowl only 4 years after that draft. One could certainly argue at that point, if they cannot already, that the 2004 QB Draft Class was the best since 1983.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

I remember Montana looking outright awful in Kansas City(a testement to his age and the talent difference, I imagine).

 

He took a pretty average KC team to the AFC championship while beating his former team and successor Stev Young during the regular season. He wasn't the same QB but was still very good.

[jgcrawfish 232]

He took a pretty average KC team to the AFC championship while beating his former team and successor Stev Young during the regular season. He wasn't the same QB but was still very good.

 

He also killed a vastly superior Steelers team with a late comeback if I recall (oh, my heart, that still hurts).

[donhaas 18]

Favre is by far the most talented...

 

Other quarterbacks have game managed superior teams to more championships (Read: MVP for throwing for 120 yards in a Super Bowl ) and that's what ultimately sticks in people's minds.

[jgcrawfish 232]

This is very true. This is a story line overlooked right now, in light of the Patriots' perfect season, and Favre's twilight success.

 

Eli vs. Phillip would be an enticing matchup, because of the draft day trade, as well as the fact that that particular draft class for QBs would then have had 3 QBs in the Super Bowl only 4 years after that draft. One could certainly argue at that point, if they cannot already, that the 2004 QB Draft Class was the best since 1983.

 

This playoff is somewhat of a testament to the QB draft class that Rivers, Manning and Roethlisberger came out in. You now have all 3 of those guys now in conference championship games. It's definitely a chance for Eli and Phil to step up toward the level that Ben has already been to.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I had both names right in my first post.

 

Do you dream of me at night? You are still on your insult obsession. I can't remember an example of a worse obsession. You are sooooo my b!tch. I love it.

 

Please check my spelling and grammar and then get back to me with your latest clever insult.

 

:Animotion-you are an obsession. You're my obsession. What do you want me to be.....:

 

You had both names right? You had Shannon Sharpe and you completely forgot about a guy named Donald Driver.

 

You get names wrong all of the time. The Eric Mancini thing, the Lawyer Milloy thing, etc. Just admit that you messed up and move on.

 

If that is an "insult", then you have very thin skin.

[NewbieJr 541]

You had both names right? You had Shannon Sharpe and you completely forgot about a guy named Donald Driver.

 

You get names wrong all of the time. The Eric Mancini thing, the Lawyer Milloy thing, etc. Just admit that you messed up and move on.

Uhhh, yeah. Post #10. "sterling" (one word) and "sharpe" (two words). Wow.

 

Yes, in my haste to own you time and time again, I often make mistakes. 99% of the people here are bright enough to figure out what was meant. the other 1%, actually not 1%- just you, are so obsessed with me that they have to 'try' to make a big deal out of it. In reality, the reason you must do that is because I've b!tch-slapped you around this board for months now and you need to try to get the upper hand by any means possible. I feel your pain and completely understand.

 

Also, I've intentionally misspelled a few words in the post to give you something witty to reply with. I'm that nice.