Green Bay Coach and GM

[Sweetness_34 0]

7-9 = 7-9 = 7-9

 

Who was 6-10 the year before? Oh that's right ....

[Sho Nuff 720]

for the 7th straight year of you asking..im a seahawks fan....but i do pull for the packers living here and all...havent you made a note of that somewhere?

 

they had the top blunders from the 09 season on nfl network last night..have you guys seen the rodgers play again now that the emotions are calmed? its an all time idiot play...

 

and legal per the nfl..unlike favres first int...

 

rodgers is hit..loses the ball for a tuck rule incomplete...looks down and KICKS the ball

 

really...explain what your wonder boy was thinking when he KICKED the ball for a game ending fumble return...anything? the reaction of mike mccarthy was priceless...

 

ill root for the packers more when TT is gone...you can love his direction of jamming his qb in when the team was 13-3...and having a DPOY and still assembling a D that gives up 500 yards or 45 pts to any team that has a legit qb...

 

its just fun to ehar people blame favre and everyone make every possible excuse for rodgers..it still continues....

 

nice of the nfl to admit they were wrong in the saints game..shocker..once it was ot, it became katrinagate..imagine what mike vandermause wouldve said had minny been gb? you wouldve been on here reciting his every word and spewing venom..tell me more, mike

Made a note? You have changed your story so many times.

Early in the year or this offseason you claimed not to just pull for them...but to actually be a Packer fan too. You whined anytime I said you were not a Packer fan.

Idiot play? He fumbled. Oh...the kick...that is al you are going to whine about. Seems he is falling back...feet coming up and tried to get teh ball with his feet to be able to grab it. had it worked...would you call it an idiot play.

To just call that an all time idiot play is showing your extreme and total bias against Rodgers.

 

What was Favre thinking when he twice threw the ball to the other team. Again funny you still make excuses for Favre but can do nothing but Bash Rodgers.

As for your line about blaming Favre but excusing Rodgers...pretty weak given all you have done is excuse Favre and blame Rodgers.

And nobody here has just excused Rodgers or completely blamed Favre I don't believe. There may be a few.

I have said over and over that neither QB lost their games on their own. That would be ignoring all else that happened in both of those games.

 

You mean like the NFL admitted it was wrong in the helmet to helmet hit on Rodgers too?

Also...I believe the PI call that so many whined about in OT the NFL said they got right.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Could it be the fact that when Rodger makes a mistake he is young, seciond year starter. You expect a few mistakes and growing pains. When Favre make a rookie mistake, like he did in the final minutes of regulation against the Saints, there is no excuse. Not for a 19 year vet who was supposed to lead him team to the Super Bowl.

 

That and listen to Rodgers talk about it...he has taken those mistakes and taken responsibility for all fo them.

In addition...nobody excused his INT or the fumble. He was takent to task on them.

Bmoney is just a jilted lover of Favre who can't stand that the team got rid of his buddy.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Who was 6-10 the year before? Oh that's right ....

 

WHy are you still here?

You did disappear while the Bears season was tankign though.

 

As for last year...it was last year. But funny how your team traded away 2 first days worth of drafts for a QB and a dead guy and the team got worse.

[remote controller 143]

I found this tucked away on page 5.

 

Boy they focked up!

[Brad GLuckman 519]

I have never seen a person so obsessed with a football player like BMoney is with Favre. It's creepy. I know I've said it before but I think Brett is going to have one fo those "If I can't have you, then nobody will" moments with BMoney in the near future. Brett should watch his back.

[remote controller 143]

Are we finished with this?

[donhaas 18]

Are we finished with this?

 

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

Nowhere close, my firend!!!!

 

This is a classic thread that will go on for 15 years (or as long as Rodgers continues to play)...

 

 

Admittingly, the premise -- especially coming from a Packer-obsessed delusional Bear fan -- was golden...

 

A rookie, unproven quarterback taking over for a legend of legends.... Even a Packer hater and someone who constantly has said Favre sucked for his career had to set himself up for this one...swallow that bitter pill and suck on Favre's grey-haired schlong for a couple of years....

 

Unfortunately, he didn't count on Rodgers becoming the only quarterback in history to throw for 4,000 yards in his first two seasons, he didn't count on the Packers being this good, this soon, and he did not count on castoff Favre sealing archrival Minnesota's fate with a bonehead INT when he could have walked into automatic Longwell's FG range to send Minn to a Super Bowl (and probably a Super Bowl win).....

 

 

What we have here, good sir, is a perfect storm!

Packers have the best young quarterback in the league (by far) for the next 15 years; Favre screwed over the Vikings from getting the one and only thing that Packer fans rag on them the most for not having (Super Bowl trophy); and thousands of Vikings and Bear fans (for one or two years anyways) get to constantly slob the knob of one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time whom for 16 years they said sucked donkey ballz.....

 

I love this thread

[Phurfur 70]

I think GB handled this situation as well as can be expected. How do you tell your "fan favorite" 16 year starting QB that he has been beat out by the new guy?

[Yippie Skippy 0]

I think GB handled this situation as well as can be expected. How do you tell your "fan favorite" 16 year starting QB that he has been beat out by the new guy?

 

You tell him that he will be competing for a starting job this summer.

[remote controller 143]

So Favre comes back and beats them 2 more times next year, then you will say uncle?

[Sho Nuff 720]

So Favre comes back and beats them 2 more times next year, then you will say uncle?

 

Why?

Will that somehow mean it was a bad decision?

BTW...it doesn't.

If Favre beats them twice but GB still has a very good season and ends up doing something in the playoffs...would that make some of you finally admit the right move was made?

[donhaas 18]

So Favre comes back and beats them 2 more times next year, then you will say uncle?

 

If he comes back as a 25 year old, maybe

[donhaas 18]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

Nowhere close, my firend!!!!

 

This is a classic thread that will go on for 15 years (or as long as Rodgers continues to play)...

 

 

Admittingly, the premise -- especially coming from a Packer-obsessed delusional Bear fan -- was golden...

 

A rookie, unproven quarterback taking over for a legend of legends.... Even a Packer hater and someone who constantly has said Favre sucked for his career had to set himself up for this one...swallow that bitter pill and suck on Favre's grey-haired schlong for a couple of years....

 

Unfortunately, he didn't count on Rodgers becoming the only quarterback in history to throw for 4,000 yards in his first two seasons, he didn't count on the Packers being this good, this soon, and he did not count on castoff Favre sealing archrival Minnesota's fate with a bonehead INT when he could have walked into automatic Longwell's FG range to send Minn to a Super Bowl (and probably a Super Bowl win).....

 

 

What we have here, good sir, is a perfect storm!

Packers have the best young quarterback in the league (by far) for the next 15 years; Favre screwed over the Vikings from getting the one and only thing that Packer fans rag on them the most for not having (Super Bowl trophy); and thousands of Vikings and Bear fans (for one or two years anyways) get to constantly slob the knob of one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time whom for 16 years they said sucked donkey ballz.....

 

I love this thread

 

 

I would like to edit this if I may in that Favre not only famously screwed the Vikings last season when he could have crawled into FG range in the NFC Championship game but also completely screwed their future when he kept them from getting McNabb or anybody else that doesn't completely suck for this season...

 

 

It's like he was working undercover as a Packer!!!!

 

And we got to see hypocritical Vikings fan gargle his nuts for a year or so.......

 

 

There are so many wins in this situation

[donhaas 18]

Where are we at with this???

 

 

Favre = 4 mind-numblingly dumb TOs help the Vikes lose at home to the crapass Fins

Rodgers = another just stellar performance.... the best quarterback in the NFL

 

 

I'll take your answers off the air....

[Remote Controller, line 2 is open ]

[donhaas 18]

..A-Rodg is still your qb.....jokes on you, champ

 

 

 

RIP BMoney :pointstosky: :pointstosky:

[IMMensaMind 462]

Rodgers will continue to prove Ted Thompson correct. Great game today...

[donhaas 18]

Rodgers will continue to prove Ted Thompson correct. Great game today...

 

I think the icing on the cake -- outside of the obvious (Rodgers >>>>>>> Favre) is that the Packers used the Jets pick (from getting rid of Favre) to get Clay Matthews

[Puddleglum 0]

I think the icing on the cake -- outside of the obvious (Rodgers >>>>>>> Favre) is that the Packers used the Jets pick (from getting rid of Favre) to get Clay Matthews

 

[Phurfur 70]

I think the icing on the cake -- outside of the obvious (Rodgers >>>>>>> Favre) is that the Packers used the Jets pick (from getting rid of Favre) to get Clay Matthews

 

To be accurate, the Favre pick was one of 3 picks used to get Matthews.

[edjr 6,607]

Forget how the packers handled this situation, forget how favre handled this situation.

 

Lets remember how Aaron Rodgers handled this situation.

 

Absolutely perfect, from all aspects.

 

Aaron Rodgers personifies professionalism, the exact opposite of Twat Favre.

 

'Grats to the Packers and their fans for having Aaron Rodgers as their QB for the next 10 years.

[donhaas 18]

Forget how the packers handled this situation, forget how favre handled this situation.

 

Lets remember how Aaron Rodgers handled this situation.

 

Absolutely perfect, from all aspects.

 

Aaron Rodgers personifies professionalism, the exact opposite of Twat Favre.

 

'Grats to the Packers and their fans for having Aaron Rodgers as their QB for the next 10 years.

 

 

And here's hoping the Vikings are lucky enough to nab him in 2024 when he's 40 :overhead:

[donhaas 18]

To be accurate, the Favre pick was one of 3 picks used to get Matthews.

 

 

Yes... but it sounds better the way I put it...

[remote controller 143]

Rodgers is the story now. The way he handled everything since he was drafted has been exemplorary. I have never had a problemm with him and I am really glad we have him. As I mentioned last year, I got what I wanted last season with the 2 wins over Thompson, and I buried that last year. Go Pack! Next week will tell a whole lot to how this season is going to unfold. It is never easy playing the Bears at home.

[donhaas 18]

Rodgers is the story now. The way he handled everything since he was drafted has been exemplorary. I have never had a problemm with him and I am really glad we have him. As I mentioned last year, I got what I wanted last season with the 2 wins over Thompson, and I buried that last year. Go Pack! Next week will tell a whole lot to how this season is going to unfold. It is never easy playing the Bears at home.

 

So you are a Clapton fan, too??? Good to hear!!

 

HAHAHA

[YoMamasBreathStinks 0]

Yep

Coach and GM are OBVIOUSLY a pair of idiots........

[donhaas 18]

What a bunch of maroons. So now Mike McCarty tells us Aaron Rodgers gives the packers the best chance to win. Oh really? Then why were the GM and the coach willing to fly down in a private plane and officially un-retire Favre 2 weeks after he retired?

 

Gotta love the dumb and dumber packer front office. At least the Bears had no choice other than go with a Grossman vs Orton competition since the FA QBs and Qbs in this year's draft were not really great to begin with. But here we have dumb and dumber telling us that Rodgers is better than a QB that just had their team in the NFC Championship game.

 

 

Rodgers completely outplayed Favre with essentially no Driver and no running game whatsoever.... Favre was going against the Packer MASH unit with some scrubs taking all the snaps at d-line (No Jenkins, Pickett, Neal, etc.) and has the greatest running back in the League at his disposal....

 

Still, despite all of those weapons at his disposal and the depleted GB defensive unit, Favre single-handedly handed the Packers the game and I was trying to figure out what was more embarassing -- the atrocious play or his cackshot fiasco....

 

I forgot who was dumb and who was dumber in all this

 

Which leads me to a question for the OP....

Did the Packers ever give up two first-round picks and a third-rounder for the right to trade a great quarterback away for a sh!tty one?

 

Cutler just threw another interception this morning

 

 

 

RIP Sweetnees, Pyschobellicheck, BMoney, and Remote Controller

 

 

It was a (not so) good run

[Sho Nuff 720]

I wouldn't say no running game.

Maybe a lack of McCarthy sticking with it. Jackson ran for 4.5 per carry and only got 13 carries I think?

Though, yes, this thread is still hilarious.

[donhaas 18]

I wouldn't say no running game.

Maybe a lack of McCarthy sticking with it. Jackson ran for 4.5 per carry and only got 13 carries I think?

Though, yes, this thread is still hilarious.

 

 

I just threw B-Jax under the bus Mr. Noodle-style

 

 

You know what I mean.... he's no AP

[Sho Nuff 720]

I just threw B-Jax under the bus Mr. Noodle-style

 

 

You know what I mean.... he's no AP

 

Yes, I know what you mean.

Jackson impressed me last night though.

Ran hard, did well in the receiving game too. Need more screens to this guy, they are starting to figure out how to run those again.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Looks like the author edited the poster I posted earlier in this thread somehwere.

Used to be McCarthy and Thompson...now?

 

http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae284/DaKnuckles/chicago%20bears/dumbanddumber-1.jpg

[Flejszon 0]

the trade happened over two years ago. The debate was never about what was better in the long run for the Packers, it was what was better that season. The Packers were coming off a 13-3 season where they lost in OT of the NFC championship and Brett was an MVP candidate. That year with Rodgers at the control they finished 6-10, while Brett took a team who the year previous were 4-12, and had them at 8-3 before getting hurt.

 

The next year Rodgers improved a bit and got the Packers to the playoffs, but Brett took his team again to OT of the NFC championship and again was an MVP candidate. I believe that the veteran leadership alone could have made those Packer teams superbowl contenders in both of those years. They were a very young team in the midst of growing up, and needed some veteran leadership from the leader position.

 

The argument was never about who would be the better fantasy option 3 years later. It was about who gave the Packers a better shot at the Superbowl at the time. We could play coulda shoulda all we want, but we will never know what Brett could have done with those Packer teams, but I think Brett has proven the past couple of years that he was not done at that point, and still had a lot to offer.

 

BTW, its not like the Pack are just tearing up the league right now. They are 4-3, and barely squeeked by the Lions.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Interesting that to you the discussion was never about what was better in the long run?

How as that never a part of it?

It most certainly was a part of it.

[IMMensaMind 462]

the trade happened over two years ago. The debate was never about what was better in the long run for the Packers, it was what was better that season. The Packers were coming off a 13-3 season where they lost in OT of the NFC championship and Brett was an MVP candidate. That year with Rodgers at the control they finished 6-10, while Brett took a team who the year previous were 4-12, and had them at 8-3 before getting hurt.

 

Aaron Rodgers threw for 4000 yards in that same year, and didn't get hurt.

 

The next year Rodgers improved a bit and got the Packers to the playoffs, but Brett took his team again to OT of the NFC championship and again was an MVP candidate. I believe that the veteran leadership alone could have made those Packer teams superbowl contenders in both of those years. They were a very young team in the midst of growing up, and needed some veteran leadership from the leader position.

 

Aaron Rodgers only improved "a bit" because he was so damned good right out of the gate. He threw for 4000 yards in his first two years - and in his second year, only threw 7 picks. Do you know how many QBs have thrown for 4000 yards in the first two years of their NFL career? That's right: none.

 

The fact is that the Packers were contenders in their own right, and - knowing what we knew about Favre's injury risk, and his proclivity to throw dumb picks - simply keeping him wouldn't assured the Green Bay Packers of a Super Bowl (or even playoff) win. It would only have assured that the Packers would have lost Aaron Rodgers.

 

Would that have been worth it? Hell no. The Packers are now positioned to be a contender for years.

 

The argument was never about who would be the better fantasy option 3 years later.

 

That never entered it at all. The argument of how to transition from one all-Pro to another potential all-Pro was legitimate, and I believe that Packer management has been more than vindicated by the events which have transpired.

 

It was about who gave the Packers a better shot at the Superbowl at the time.

 

As you can see, that margin of difference was thin enough to not warrant the guarantee of losing Rodgers to free agency.

 

We could play coulda shoulda all we want, but we will never know what Brett could have done with those Packer teams, but I think Brett has proven the past couple of years that he was not done at that point, and still had a lot to offer.

 

He had proven that he throws inexplicable picks, and at the worst times. He did it in the NFC Championship game vs. the Giants, and he did it again for Minnesota in New Orleans.

 

I am absolutely thrilled that Thompson made the moves that he did with Favre.

 

BTW, its not like the Pack are just tearing up the league right now. They are 4-3, and barely squeeked by the Lions.

 

I was fine with your position up to this statement. Green Bay has been badly injured at key positions, and the Lions are not the team they were before. The Packers are 4-3, and one gets the feeling that if they can go 2-2 in their next 4 games, they'll be there at the end as they get healthy. The fact that the NFC Central is reeling is going to give Green Bay the time it needs to get some of their players back, and then we'll see what we'll see.

 

No one in the NFC is really asserting themselves. I believe the Giants have the best chance of doing so in the short term.

[Flejszon 0]

 

Aaron Rodgers threw for 4000 yards in that same year, and didn't get hurt.

 

 

Aaron Rodgers only improved "a bit" because he was so damned good right out of the gate. He threw for 4000 yards in his first two years - and in his second year, only threw 7 picks. Do you know how many QBs have thrown for 4000 yards in the first two years of their NFL career? That's right: none.

 

So all the intangibles and greatness a QB brings to a team is solely based on the amount of yards they have thrown? Remember, Rodgers didn't start as a rookie. Guy was in his 4th NFL season by the time he got his first start.

 

The fact is that the Packers were contenders in their own right, and - knowing what we knew about Favre's injury risk, and his proclivity to throw dumb picks - simply keeping him wouldn't assured the Green Bay Packers of a Super Bowl (or even playoff) win. It would only have assured that the Packers would have lost Aaron Rodgers.

 

 

Would that have been worth it? Hell no. The Packers are now positioned to be a contender for years.

 

So they have proven to be superbowl contenders year in, and year out based on 4000 yards passing? This isn't fantasy football we are talking about. 6-10, and 10-6 records, and one playoff game in which Rodgers fumbled the ball in OT for the L screams superbowl contenders? They may very well be superbowl contenders for years to come, but don't just go and state that as proven fact. That is 100% pure speculation. And no, keeping Favre wouldn't have assured them a Superbowl, but the guy has been to two conference championships in 3 years with 3 different teams, and the other year people were starting to predict them to be in the conference championship until he got hurt.

 

 

He had proven that he throws inexplicable picks, and at the worst times. He did it in the NFC Championship game vs. the Giants, and he did it again for Minnesota in New Orleans.

 

I'll give you the Giants game, but I think people use the Giants game and replicate the same scenario in the NO game last season. Fact is, they were in range for a long field goal attempt before the too many men penalty. That pushed them out of range. I've watched and broken down the replay probably 50 times since. There was nobody open, they needed about 6-7 yards. Yes he had a bit of room to the right at first glance, but if u re-watch the play, there are two Saints players zoning in on him about 5 yards away, and the guy is hobbling on one foot. He would have not gained more than 1-2 yards if he ran. All the INT did was prevented either a punt or a 60 yard attempt, which Longwell wasn't able to hit in warmups.

[donhaas 18]

 

The fact that the NFC Central is reeling

 

Yes, but Tampa Bay is looking good... no?

 

You are old, sir..... but making some good points

[IMMensaMind 462]

So all the intangibles and greatness a QB brings to a team is solely based on the amount of yards they have thrown?

 

No one is saying that - we're just saying that Rodgers is damned good, and only going to get better as he matures into the leader that I believe he can be. I know this guy personally, so maybe that gives me a bit of additional insight which makes my opinion that much stronger. He's already starting to grab the reins as he should; throughout this entire week he and McCarthy have spent after practice time so that Rodgers can assert his fingerprints on this offense. It's rocky so far, I'll grant - but it has to be done.

 

Remember, Rodgers didn't start as a rookie. Guy was in his 4th NFL season by the time he got his first start.

 

Which means that many of us (including Thompson) had something to go on when deciding to cut bait with Favre. This is a positive, not a negative.

 

So they have proven to be superbowl contenders year in, and year out based on 4000 yards passing?

 

Hold on. I said that they have positioned themselves to be Superbowl Contenders. A high-ceiling QB which has already shown something beyond flashes, and a young and talented - and deep - team behind him, on both sides of the ball. Clay Matthews as well, who I believe will prove to be the Ray Lewis of the NFL for the next 10 years.

 

This isn't fantasy football we are talking about. 6-10, and 10-6 records, and one playoff game in which Rodgers fumbled the ball in OT for the L screams superbowl contenders? They may very well be superbowl contenders for years to come, but don't just go and state that as proven fact. That is 100% pure speculation.

 

Did you miss the word positioned?

 

And no, keeping Favre wouldn't have assured them a Superbowl, but the guy has been to two conference championships in 3 years with 3 different teams, and the other year people were starting to predict them to be in the conference championship until he got hurt.

 

He went to teams which were missing a QB. I'm not sure what the surprise should be. As you can see, the Jets are damned good without Favre (and I believe that Minnesota would have been 1-2 games better this year had Favre not returned).

 

I'll give you the Giants game, but I think people use the Giants game and replicate the same scenario in the NO game last season.

 

And the Chicago game that year....

 

Fact is, they were in range for a long field goal attempt before the too many men penalty. That pushed them out of range. I've watched and broken down the replay probably 50 times since. There was nobody open, they needed about 6-7 yards. Yes he had a bit of room to the right at first glance, but if u re-watch the play, there are two Saints players zoning in on him about 5 yards away, and the guy is hobbling on one foot. He would have not gained more than 1-2 yards if he ran. All the INT did was prevented either a punt or a 60 yard attempt, which Longwell wasn't able to hit in warmups.

 

You're a strong Favre fan. I get it. I found the INTs at exactly the wrong times emblematic - and a microcosm - of why cutting bait was the right thing to do.

[IMMensaMind 462]

Yes, but Tampa Bay is looking good... no?

 

You are old, sir..... but making some good points

 

 

I don't feel old; people tell me I don't look that old, really..

 

[Flejszon 0]

My point is not that it was the right or wrong decision. We will never know what Favre could have done with those Packers so need to speculate. My point is that people coming out 2 years after the trade, ranting about how the Packers were clearly right because Aaron Rodgers is a stronger fantasy player now, or because his team squeeked a semi-controversial win out over the Vikings in week 7 is completely irrational.

[Sho Nuff 720]

My point is not that it was the right or wrong decision. We will never know what Favre could have done with those Packers so need to speculate. My point is that people coming out 2 years after the trade, ranting about how the Packers were clearly right because Aaron Rodgers is a stronger fantasy player now, or because his team squeeked a semi-controversial win out over the Vikings in week 7 is completely irrational.

 

If you think anyone is basing it just on that game or fantasy football...you have not been keeping up with this thread or you are that naive.