Science vs God

[surferskin 30]

Don't worry all of us who don't go to church can save ourself a year before we die. Just like many old people I know, theya re getting old so they decide to become religous and go to church each week. They just like us can get into the heaven club after 80 years of non-believing.

 

Good for you. I honestly hope you do.

 

Just hope you realize when you're a year before death.

[parrot 789]

You're not there to give religion a chance Parrot. You don't believe in God. What chance is there? You said that you go to keep your wife happy. You and I both know that a person who comes on here and says that they don't believe in God and then admits to attending church is a hypocrite. Take a geek poll if you don't think that's the case.

 

 

Yeah, if only I could get RP, and Bucky, and Flafocker to weigh in on this, then I'd have something!

 

You're on a roll!

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Good for you. I honestly hope you do.

 

Just hope you realize when you're a year before death.

 

Thats how ridiculous of a system it is, a life of crime, hate, and treating people like ###### can be turned around like that, under the system you believe in.

 

All while the person who doesn't go to church, but is the nicest guy/girl in the world....donations, volenteer work...is sent to the place called hell (for bad people) because they do not wish to believe.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Seems like a dictatorship. "believe in me, or be thrown in jail/killed" (sent to hell for the religous side)

[surferskin 30]

Thats how ridiculous of a system it is, a life of crime, hate, and treating people like ###### can be turned around like that, under the system you believe in.

 

All while the person who doesn't go to church, but is the nicest guy/girl in the world....donations, volenteer work...is sent to the place called hell (for bad people) because they do not wish to believe.

It's the perfect system actually. Even the best people sin. No one would get into heaven with out grace.

[surferskin 30]

Seems like a dictatorship. "believe in me, or be thrown in jail/killed" (sent to hell for the religous side)

Yeah, I hear ya. He must have a God complex or something.

[jerryskids 6,790]

No not silly at all.

 

If they are going to become their own person anyway, why feel the need to MAKE them go? Simply say, "I am going to church, would you like to go with me?" You give them a choice. So either way it is not influencing them.

No way you have kids, or you would understand the idiocy of that choice.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

No way you have kids, or you would understand the idiocy of that choice.

 

No I don't have kids.

 

But when I do, they will have to answer to me enough about other things, that I won't force them to go to church (if I went to church, or if future girl went to church). When they grow up to be in College and have responsabilities, then they can make the choice or explore any religion they want.

[surferskin 30]

No I don't have kids.

 

But when I do, they will have to answer to me enough about other things, that I won't force them to go to church (if I went to church, or if future girl went to church). When they grow up to be in College and have responsabilities, then they can make the choice or explore any religion they want.

But if you never take them to church, isn't that kinda the same thing as forcing them to go? How will they be able to make up their own mind if you don't show them their options?

[listen2me 23 1,873]

But if you never take them to church, isn't that kinda the same thing as forcing them to go? How will they be able to make up their own mind if you don't show them their options?

 

I think you meant to say Option here.

 

If they will decide for themselves when adults anyway, like may of you said, then I say why influence in any way when they are kids? I would talk about religion, obviously a 15 year old who never went to church will know about different religions, its not like he will hit 18 and never know which religion are which, and what the base is for each...

[jerryskids 6,790]

No I don't have kids.

 

But when I do, they will have to answer to me enough about other things, that I won't force them to go to church (if I went to church, or if future girl went to church). When they grow up to be in College and have responsabilities, then they can make the choice or explore any religion they want.

If your wife goes to church, they will too. Anyway, your logic is flawed in so many ways. You don't believe, so obviously you would not expose them to church. Other people do, and they expose them to it, much as I expose my children to sports teams I like (e.g. the Cardinals, which until this year was borderline child abuse), music I like, books I like, golf, taekwondo, other hobbies/interests. You seem to think that, upon entering adulthood, having no exposure to something better prepares you to make an informed choice than being exposed to something.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

But if you never take them to church, isn't that kinda the same thing as forcing them to go? How will they be able to make up their own mind if you don't show them their options?

 

Oh, unless you are planning on taking them to all different kinds of church. I am cool with that.

[parrot 789]

You were basically bragging about being forced to go despite not believing in God. Sorry, if I assumed that was meant to be more than just proving what joke it all is to you.

 

I wasn't bragging about anything, I was pointing out that going to church would be pretty strange behavior for someone supposedly trying to "impress (people) as an atheist", unless I'm pissing on the pews or something, which I hardly ever do.

[Durtee 0]

I think you meant to say Option here.

 

If they will decide for themselves when adults anyway, like may of you said, then I say why influence in any way when they are kids? I would talk about religion, obviously a 15 year old who never went to church will know about different religions, its not like he will hit 18 and never know which religion are which, and what the base is for each...

 

I know, teaching them to honor thy father and mother. Teaching them not to steal, murder or sin in general is such a bad thing.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

If your wife goes to church, they will too. Anyway, your logic is flawed in so many ways. You don't believe, so obviously you would not expose them to church. Other people do, and they expose them to it, much as I expose my children to sports teams I like (e.g. the Cardinals, which until this year was borderline child abuse), music I like, books I like, golf, taekwondo, other hobbies/interests. You seem to think that, upon entering adulthood, having no exposure to something better prepares you to make an informed choice than being exposed to something.

 

When most kids don't want to go, or are miserable when they are there, I'd hate to make them go. And I believe parents don't care, because the sole reason is to get the used to that religion so they will grow up to believe in that way....(because after all that is the right way)

[surferskin 30]

I think you meant to say Option here.

 

If they will decide for themselves when adults anyway, like may of you said, then I say why influence in any way when they are kids? I would talk about religion, obviously a 15 year old who never went to church will know about different religions, its not like he will hit 18 and never know which religion are which, and what the base is for each...

Can I get this response in English please?

[jets24 6]

 

Yeah, if only I could get RP, and Bucky, and Flafocker to weigh in on this, then I'd have something!

 

You're on a roll!

 

This isn't about right wing fanatics Parrot. You called somebody out for being a hypocrite, even providing a definition and then, in my opinion, proved that you fit that very definition. You can poll only your liberal friends and most would agree that you are a hypocrite.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

I know, teaching them to honor thy father and mother. Teaching them not to steal, murder or sin in general is such a bad thing.

 

I can teach them these things right in the house, I don't need painted glass windows and a religion to help me there. As far as faith and what to believe in I think that can wait until they are old enough to understand different ways of thinking.

[KSB2424 3,148]

You can't "prove" that you love somebody. But we know that love is real, and can be felt. I look at faith much the same way.

[jets24 6]

No not silly at all.

 

If they are going to become their own person anyway, why feel the need to MAKE them go? Simply say, "I am going to church, would you like to go with me?" You give them a choice. So either way it is not influencing them.

 

Wow. Haven't ever been a parent, have ya?

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Can I get this response in English please?

 

No, I realized I have work I need to get done, that is the best I can offer.

[surferskin 30]

You can't "prove" that you love somebody. But we know that love is real, and can be felt. I look at faith much the same way.

 

That's the most beautiful thing I've ever heard. That's sig worthy.

[surferskin 30]

No, I realized I have work I need to get done, that is the best I can offer.

You've got about 50 posts in the thread and it's too much to ask to have you interpret that gibberish?

[jets24 6]

You can't "prove" that you love somebody. But we know that love is real, and can be felt. I look at faith much the same way.

 

Not true. edjr proves his love to his butt buddy every day.

 

 

Actually, your point is spot on.

[jerryskids 6,790]

When most kids don't want to go, or are miserable when they are there, I'd hate to make them go. And I believe parents don't care, because the sole reason is to get the used to that religion so they will grow up to believe in that way....(because after all that is the right way)

Again, you are viewing it from the perspective of somebody who doesn't believe in a certain religion. My point is that exposing them to something you (if you did) believe in is not brainwashing them, it is exposing them to a certain belief structure. And yes, it is hard being a parent. Sometimes they don't want to do homework. Or clean their room. Or myriad other things.

[Durtee 0]

I can teach them these things right in the house, I don't need painted glass windows and a religion to help me there. As far as faith and what to believe in I think that can wait until they are old enough to understand different ways of thinking.

 

your right, you can teach your children those things in the house and if you do that is called being a good parent. My point is, what is wrong with parents teaching their kids the same thing that you are teaching, but they choose to teach more of it at church? What possible harm is it doing to the child?

[listen2me 23 1,873]

You guys just think the next time you make your child go to church. Think about why you want them to go so bad? Maybe there is no baby sitter, maybe you want them to explore their option(s), or maybe if you think about it, you want them to believe the way you do, because it is the only way. And that is what you were taught by your own parents.

 

Sorry to any that think I hate religion.

 

I just strongly believe in free will, and choices, even at an early age. If they will decide themselves when adults, I say don't get into church and religion now OR decide to take them to classes/churches of all sorts of religions. I don't believe giving them one option of belief for about 12-15 straight years is right.

 

JMO.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

You've got about 50 posts in the thread and it's too much to ask to have you interpret that gibberish?

 

Yea, because we have said the same things 50 times, so it really doesn't matter...

[surferskin 30]

If you are a Christian and you have certain beliefs about God. What kind of parent would you be if you didn't try to influence them to share your beliefs? You can make them go to church but in the end they'll still be able to decide what they think.

[edjr 6,580]

You can't "prove" that you love somebody. But we know that love is real, and can be felt. I look at faith much the same way.

 

Vincent van Gogh's ear thinks you are wrong.

[phillybear 366]

You can't "prove" that you love somebody. But we know that love is real, and can be felt. I look at faith much the same way.

 

This line deserves to appear in a male locker room scene in Top Gun

[jets24 6]

You guys just think the next time you make your child go to church. Think about why you want them to go so bad? Maybe there is no baby sitter, maybe you want them to explore their option(s), or maybe if you think about it, you want them to believe the way you do, because it is the only way. And that is what you were taught by your own parents.

 

Sorry to any that think I hate religion.

 

I just strongly believe in free will, and choices, even at an early age. If they will decide themselves when adults, I say don't get into church and religion now OR decide to take them to classes/churches of all sorts of religions. I don't believe giving them one option of belief for about 12-15 straight years is right.

 

JMO.

 

How old are you? Serious question.

[surferskin 30]

How old are you? Serious question.

19/20 max.

[parrot 789]

This isn't about right wing fanatics Parrot. You called somebody out for being a hypocrite, even providing a definition and then, in my opinion, proved that you fit that very definition. You can poll only your liberal friends and most would agree that you are a hypocrite.

 

I wasn't the first to call someone a hypocrite, that was surfer. And I do admit to being a hypocrite, but not on this point. Me going to church doesn't make me a hypocrite any more than going to a mosque would make you a hypocrite. It's pretty simple really.

 

But let's get off this point; I have a question regarding you guys' original point about Christmas.

Do you feel non-Christians should not celebrate Christmas?

[porkbutt 893]

You guys just think the next time you make your child go to church. Think about why you want them to go so bad? Maybe there is no baby sitter, maybe you want them to explore their option(s), or maybe if you think about it, you want them to believe the way you do, because it is the only way. And that is what you were taught by your own parents.

 

Sorry to any that think I hate religion.

 

I just strongly believe in free will, and choices, even at an early age. If they will decide themselves when adults, I say don't get into church and religion now OR decide to take them to classes/churches of all sorts of religions. I don't believe giving them one option of belief for about 12-15 straight years is right.

 

JMO.

here's our enlightened youth. free choices, keep their options open, free will....god forbid parents push any of their ideals on their kids.

 

maybe we shouldn't correct them when they scream and act like brats too....oh no, that may impose on their "free will"

 

[jets24 6]

I wasn't the first to call someone a hypocrite, that was surfer. And I do admit to being a hypocrite, but not on this point. Me going to church doesn't make me a hypocrite any more than going to a mosque would make you a hypocrite. It's pretty simple really.

 

But let's get off this point; I have a question regarding you guys' original point about Christmas.

Do you feel non-Christians should not celebrate Christmas?

 

Please watch the double negatives. You would have to define "celebrate" but no, absolutely not. Why would somebody who doesn't believe in Christ, want to celebrate the birth of him?

[Bigtraine 30]

Why would somebody who doesn't believe in Christ, want to celebrate the birth of him?

 

Same reason a christian would want to celebrate Halloween/All Hallow's Eve. Because celebrating is fun. I celebrate St. Patrick's Day and I'm not Irish or Catholic. I celebrate Cince de Mayo and I'm not Messican. I celebrate Mardi Gras and I dont even know what that is supposed to be for except filming Girls Gone Wild dvds.

[RLLD 4,230]

You can't "prove" that you love somebody. But we know that love is real, and can be felt. I look at faith much the same way.

 

My cack in your ass should be proof enough....

[parrot 789]

Please watch the double negatives. You would have to define "celebrate" but no, absolutely not. Why would somebody who doesn't believe in Christ, want to celebrate the birth of him?

 

Okay, so should I be okay with my kids PUBLIC schools' celebrating it? Or should I fight it or forbid my kids' participation, or what? I think obviously if it's purely a religious occasion, with all non-believers to be excluded, I should probably go ahead and enlist in the War on Christmas.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,436]

I absolutely don't see how your statement links to mine but if it makes you feel better, I teach my kids to have faith in themselves.

 

 

You are teaching your kids to believe that they are God. The center of all so to speak. That's what I don't understand about atheist. We are ignorant because we believe in something based on faith. But you are inteligent because your belief that there is in no God is basically your faith. You believe in you and no one else. You are banking on being right about God and the faith you have about his nonexistence.

 

Question for atheists- You are walking down the street and suddenly have massive chest pains. Someone calls 911 and you are in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. You are dying. You think of your family, friends, etc. Do you say anything to God? Just in case?